Joe Rogan Calls Out UFC Judges

Your 100% right, that guy is a joke.

http://blog.fightmetric.com/2010/12/garcia-vs-phan-fightmetric-report.html

read some fkin numbers, Probst. No offense to Nelson, but Sherdog is on a really bad streak of bloggers that they hire. Shit like this is unacceptable and should be held to account.

That Cofield quote is simply ridiculous because bad judging is becoming a more consistent thing, and MMA is still a relatively new sport that doesn’t need any type of negative stigma associated with it. Boxing is seen the way it is (corrupt, full of politics and whatnot) because of consistency over years in these negative stigmas to the point where we are being deprived of seeing Pacquiao vs Mayweathter. The UFC doesn’t need that and is trying to get away from that.
These writers like Probst and Cofield are only making the problem worse. Probst works for one of the biggest MMA websites in Sherdog, so there is an amount of credibility associated with being in that position, and you never know if people actually seriously listen to him or not.

And he’s right. Bad judging isn’t going to kill or really hurt MMA’s growth.

It’s like 18th on the list.

For instance, Evan Dunham should be 12-0…

third was a pick-em? wow.

How does someone watching that fight get it so catastrophically wrong? Is he unable to tell the difference between a wild airswing and a strike the hits or something?

it’s fucking bizarre.

I instantly think of this guy

(and i do get what you’re saying), letting Dana handle it at the press conf means the casual fans do NOT see that someone in the UFC is pissed about it, etc. etc.

It may be unprofessional, but it needed to be said. I’m not big that he called out solely Nevada either. If Dana White said it during the press conference, who would be listening because I sure did NOT watch the press conference. Rogan, while you do make a point, said it during a time and place where many MMA fans/viewers would hear it, which would at least have it being said when it has the most impact. I see you’re Twitter point as well (below), but Rogan was striking while the iron was hot, and it is debatable whether more fans will read it on Twitter than watch the actual TUF Finale.

Dana’s a promoter, and there’s only so much he can say that people will take seriously. Rogan has that “man of the people” image, and him speaking up about it IN ADDITION to Dana talking about it (which he does, all the time) gets the point across much better. I agree that maybe he shouldn’t have done it in the middle of someone else’s fight, but it is what it is.

And he said it about Kizer because it really is a Kizer problem. He, in particular, is the one that is denying a problem. You talk about the CSAC, but look what they’re doing – trying out a new scoring system, and making an effort. Kizer won’t even let BJM ref there because “they’re not accepting applications”. In short, calling out Kizer in particular is absolutely acceptable to me.

Compared to the major sports, UFC’s announcing team IS bush league.

As much as I hate Joe Buck, he would never use the term “rape-choke”, or say 90% of the stuff Rogan has said during telecasts. I love Rogan, but “professional and mainstream” are not words I would use to describe him.

*pointless

reply fail. This is in response to S.C. Michaelson.

Only Shogun’s was in the six digits.

YES! WINNER! : )

he deserves it for getting bullshit L on his record

Somewhere out there, Subo added another item to his memoir entitled

“1,456,765,345,222 Things I Love About Dana White.

Dana told Cindy? It must be true!

Pics or GTFO

The dude can be a dick and I don’t agree with all of his decisions, but he has a track record of coming through for guys who get fucked by the athletic commission. Bonuses he didn’t have to pay, immediate rematches, or both.

Probst replaced Tomas Rios at Sherdog.

judges gotta decide the right winner, thats their fucking job. fighters should be able to leave it in the hands of the judges if they can’t what the fuck is the point of the judges?

He’s not saying it because he thinks people should shrug it off he is saying it because judging sucks and the only way a fighter can make sure he doesn’t get screwed is to finish the fight. He isn’t telling anyone to ignore it he is telling guys to not trust it. As Joe Rogan said too this isn’t something the UFC can do anything about, if it was then it would of been fixed a long time ago. People are misconstruing the statement into something it’s not.

How is Cofield doing Zuffa PR? Dana White has said the same thing before, hell he complains about how bad judging is ruining the sport all the time. Joe Rogan also stated in his rant that this isn’t something Zuffa can fix and that fans and reporters need to pressure the commissions, Zuffa isn’t happy about the judging either.

cofield is my least favorite writer from now on
hes the only one who beat rios

congrats

Recs should come naturally, like so:

(ahem)

In the context of commenters hating a writer/journalist, SC Michaelson makes Kid Nate look like Ariel Helwani.

I really, really hope you’re kidding.

Perhaps you should read up on what is actually written in the rules about scoring and criteria.

Nevada regulations:

NAC 467.796 Method of judging. (NRS 467.030)

     1. Each judge of a contest or exhibition of mixed martial arts that is being judged shall score the contest or exhibition and determine the winner through the use of the following system:

     (a) The better unarmed combatant of a round receives 10 points and his opponent proportionately less.

     (b) If the round is even, each unarmed combatant receives 10 points.

     © No fraction of points may be given.

     (d) Points for each round must be awarded immediately after the end of the period of unarmed combat in the round.

     2. After the end of the contest or exhibition, the announcer shall pick up the scores of the judges from the Commission’s desk.

     3. The majority opinion is conclusive and, if there is no majority, the decision is a draw.

     4. When the Commission’s representative has checked the scores, he shall inform the announcer of the decision. The announcer shall inform the audience of the decision over the speaker system.

     (Added to NAC by Athletic Comm’n by R070-01, eff. 8-31-2001)
http://leg.state.nv.us/NAC/NAC-467.html#NAC467Sec796

Association of Boxing Commissions unified rules:

Scoring-

The Committee maintains that the 10 point must system is still the preferred scoring method at this time. The 10 point must system is defined as follows:

All bouts will be evaluated and scored by three judges. The 10-Point Must System will be the standard system of scoring a bout. Under the 10-Point Must Scoring System, 10 points must be awarded to the winner of the round and nine points or less must be awarded to the loser, except for an even round, which is scored (10-10).

Judges shall evaluate mixed martial arts techniques, such as effective striking, effective grappling, control of the fighting area, effective aggressiveness and defense. Evaluations shall be made in the order in which the techniques appear, giving the most weight in scoring to effective striking, effective grappling, control of the fighting area and effective aggressiveness and defense. Effective striking is judged by determining the number of legal strikes landed by a contestant and the significance of such legal strikes.

Effective grappling is judged by considering the amount of successful executions of a legal takedown and reversals. Examples of factors to consider are take downs from standing position to mount position, passing the guard to mount position, and bottom position fighters using an active, threatening guard.

Fighting area control is judged by determining who is dictating the pace, location and position of the bout. Examples of factors to consider are countering a grappler’s attempt at takedown by remaining standing and legally striking; taking down an opponent to force a ground fight; creating threatening submission attempts, passing the guard to achieve mount, and creating striking opportunities.

Effective aggressiveness means moving forward and landing a legal strike or takedown.

Effective defense means avoiding being struck, taken down or reversed while countering with offensive attacks.

The following objective scoring criteria shall be utilized by the judges when scoring a round;

1. A round is to be scored as a 10-10 Round when both contestants appear to be fighting evenly and neither contestant shows dominance in a round;

2. A round is to be scored as a 10-9 Round when a contestant wins by a close margin, landing the greater number of effective legal strikes, grappling and other maneuvers;

3. A round is to be scored as a 10-8 Round when a contestant overwhelmingly dominates by striking or grappling in a round.

4. A round is to be scored as a 10-7 Round when a contestant totally dominates by striking or grappling in a round.
http://www.abcboxing.com/unified_mma_rules.html

As far as the written criteria Garcia wouldn’t of won on aggression because only effective aggression counts (you have to move forward and land a legal strike or takedown, just moving forward doesn’t cut it). As far as cage control, Garcia landed all of two takedowns, one in the second and one in the third, they weren’t effective in controlling location or position of the bout though they were just takedowns that accomplished nothing.

There are some vagueness to the regulations but it’s not that vague and a properly trained MMA judge should be able to understand this. The problem isn’t the criteria it’s the judges using (or not using) it.