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Nam Phan's Decision Loss Should Spark Call for Commission Accountability

Nam Phan swings at Leonard Garcia during their featherweight tilt at The Ultimate Fighter 12 Finale. Phan lost via a controversial split decision despite the consensus opinion being that Phan won convincingly. via MMAWeekly.com

Joe Rogan said it best during The Ultimate Fighter 12 Finale tonight. Keith Kizer and the Nevada State Athletic Commission need to be held accountable for the incompetence displayed during the opening featherweight battle between Nam Phan and Leonard Garcia. After three rounds of Phan essentially battering Garcia with blows while Garcia swung wildly at air, judges Adalaide Byrd and Tony Weeks scored the bout two rounds to one in favor of Leonard Garcia. A stunned crowd at The Pearl at the Palms in Las Vegas, Nevada booed angrily, erupting in chants describing their discontent with the decision.

We've seen this type of judging time and time again, but it's been more prominent this year as we've had a number of close decisions that were deemed controversial by fans and media alike. While most of those decisions were debatable, Phan's loss tonight wasn't a debate. It was flat out robbery. We've been criticized for the overuse of the term in the past, but it applies justly in this case.

The decision could go down as the worst of this year, although it probably doesn't stack up against the Mike Easton vs. Chase Beebe debacle that our own Luke Thomas and Kid Nate were sitting cageside for back in 2009. In my mind, the central issue is beginning to move away from individual judging incompetence and the re-education of these dissenting officials, and moving toward a higher power. Instead of critiquing judges and hoping for a change in their patterns, let's throw that failing opinion out the window. As I stated in an article back in October, the old guard is finished in this sport. With the exception of a talented few who have interpreted the judging criteria correctly, the new breed of judges needs to be allowed to surface.

That problem can be solved if the Nevada State Athletic Commission and other commissions around the country accept accountability for the actions of their judges. When I spoke with Nick Lembo of the New Jersey State Athletic Control Board in September of 2009, we talked specifically about the judging process in New Jersey:

1. Aspiring judges must have an appropriate martial arts background, meaning they can't simply have a background in boxing or judging boxing.

2. Prospective judges work amateur shows as a "shadow". They normally sit next to other judges to get a feel for where they will sit, and in order to discuss the fights during breaks. The "shadow" will score the bout, and Lembo reviews those scores.

3. If Prospective judges are deemed fit to work a professional event, he/she would sit next to two experienced judges. This will not only please the promoter who would want at least two experienced judges working the event, but it'll give a much higher confidence to the scores.

4. Prospective judges must explain their "interesting" scores and have been forced to watch video to explain their scoring process out loud in the past. Lembo did state that there are judges who no longer work events in New Jersey or are working their way back into the mix following these review sessions.

More regarding the judging process and excerpts from Keith Kizer regarding the process in Nevada after the jump...

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I reached Keith Kizer to find out what Nevada's policies were in regards to the judging process as well, specifically whether there was a process in place to review scorecards: This excerpt is from a piece in October of last year:

The NSAC, like the NJSACB, has its own "shadowing" program for applicants. New applicants "shadow" judge amateur bouts alongside professional judges in order to gain experience and knowledge about scoring a MMA bout. All the professional judges are easily accessible to answer questions from those applicants in order to gain a better understanding, and Keith Kizer himself scrutinizes the applicants' judging cards in order to assess their performances.

Kizer also stated that a review process is also in place, and that poor judging can result in some judges being dropped from judging professional events. One of the main differences between New Jersey and Nevada is the criteria for judges. New Jersey requires some sort of martial arts background while Kizer simply stated that "Judges can come from various walks of life, but need a "judging background" to do the pro events. Judging the amateurs and attending judges' training events is important.". As long as applicants prove that they are competent and get their experience through the process, those applicants can become professional judges

The problem of ignorant judging still seems to be an issue despite these programs being in place. While I can't say the state of New Jersey is a problem due to the limited amount of major events held there, Nevada is under heavy scrutiny from the media and fans due to the frequency of events in the state. There is also the added reputation of using judges who have had problems in the past, hence why we see the same names coming up. Tonight, it was Tony Weeks.

The solution is simple, and it will more than likely step on the toes of those who are entitled to positions as judges with the commission due to their experience and reputation. Think of it as the older generation running the company you work for. You may have some great ideas, but their content with the security of what has worked for the last 20 years. Unfortunately, those methods don't work in the modern era, and neither do the interpretations of the judging criteria that continue to be used by judges who continually score fights incorrectly. 

Instead of believing that these judges can be miraculously changed in their old ways, commissions need to follow their policies. The review process needs to be stiffer and with more significant consequences. Good judging awards higher pay and bigger fights. Poor judging gets relegated to the "minors". The next step may need to be complete avoidance of the state, and that'll be tough for a promotion like the UFC, who is based in Nevada.

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It really is time to get rid of all these boxing @$$holes.

I’d like to see MMA have its own commissions filled with people who actually understand and care about MMA.

by MMABookworm on Dec 5, 2010 12:48 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

I hope it does result in some kind of change

I will say I don’t think I have ever heard a televised crowd so clearly show their disapproval to a decision. Rogan was more outspoken in his criticism of the decision than I ever remember him being during a broadcast as well. You gotta think Dana is pissed.

by Anton Chigurh on Dec 5, 2010 12:56 AM EST reply actions  

I give mad props to the fans for vocally calling it like they see it. Being at a casino I imagine a number of them lost money so that probably helped motivate them.

by fitefan on Dec 5, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

This should be the line drawn in the sand.

Every single major blog, paper, website and radio that is about MMA should make this the #1 topic until someone (read: everyone) at the commissions is fired and a brand new system is put into place.

Joe said it himself.

Its ruing the sport, fast and heavily.

This keeps up like this for another year and you can kiss good bye to alot of fans, me being one. Its a complete joke what we are seeing from the judges right now, something Im not willing to pay for any longer until something is fixed, its a broken product (thank god it was free tonight).

by Jesse Taylor on Dec 5, 2010 1:05 AM EST reply actions  

I’m really glad that Joe Rogan voiced his opinion about judging in MMA, and how it really does make the sport of MMA look bad. I mean, MMA is still a new sport, and it is imperative not to give MMA any type of negative stigma associated with it at this time during its youth. I’m also very glad that he pointed out the ridiculousness of the whole “don’t leave the fight at the hand of the judges” statement. It really is time now that something should be done about this. While I’m sure the Nam will get another fight in the UFC, this robbery does have a negative affect towards his career, and these judges need to understand that they play a pivotal role in the careers on these fighters. This terrible judging is not something to be taken lightly.

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by chrisbboy82 on Dec 5, 2010 4:30 AM EST up reply actions  

email the NSAC and tell them how horrible some of there Judges are boxing@boxing.nv.gov

by Shocbomb on Dec 5, 2010 1:21 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

I emailed them about it.

Everyone else should do the same. That was the biggest pile of bullshit I’ve ever seen. After the fight, I thought “ugh, easy one for Phan. He made garcia look silly punching the air like that, countering, and almost submitting him.” As soon as Buffer announced the first score, I said WTF? Its a SD? Then when he lost…

by rockyman500 on Dec 5, 2010 1:31 AM EST reply actions  

I thought the same thing and I actually said to myself and I really should of knew better becasue its happend so often now with Garcia that there is no way the bad boy pulls a horrible decision victory out of his ass after this fight even a blind man knows who won that fight. I sit back wait for Buffer to call all 3 judges score this fight 30-27 for your winner Nam Phan but wait what happens next I hear Buffer calling the 1st Judge for Garcia 29-28 and then I knew the outcome of the fight would be for Garcia, I WAS JUST STUNNED – I should know better buy now though

by Shocbomb on Dec 5, 2010 1:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Awful for Nam Phan, but this may be the best thing for MMA in the long run. First Machida and now this. It’s become very clear in the last couple weeks the commissions need to get their shit together and look at their judges and the way they’re applying the scoring system.

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by crazybones on Dec 5, 2010 1:40 AM EST reply actions  

The Page Machida decision is not even in the same multiverse as this Travesty

by Shocbomb on Dec 5, 2010 1:59 AM EST up reply actions  

No but it’s a high-profile controversy that shows problems in judging. Get enough of those close together and the commission might be embarrassed into getting its act together.

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by crazybones on Dec 5, 2010 2:25 AM EST up reply actions  

lets hope something gets done and very soon ? Its almost become a weekly thing

by Shocbomb on Dec 5, 2010 2:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I would love to hear the two judges involved explain how they scored this for Garcia.

by who me on Dec 5, 2010 1:42 AM EST reply actions  

Does anyone know anything about Junichiro Kamijo?

He was the lone judge that (rightfully) gave Phan the 30-27 win. He appears to be licensed as a kickboxing ref in Nevada, as well as an MMA judge, but I’ve never heard his name mentioned before on a UFC or WEC card.

Any info on his background?

by Scott Haber on Dec 5, 2010 1:44 AM EST reply actions  

No clue, but his record is very good. He seems to be one of the few keepers.

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by Leland Roling on Dec 5, 2010 1:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Found this on him on MMADecisions...

http://www.mmadecisions.com/judge.jsp?id=127

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by Tonley on Dec 5, 2010 1:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Since he gave the fight 30-27 Phan, then he seems good in my book.

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by chrisbboy82 on Dec 5, 2010 4:34 AM EST up reply actions  

this is me when i saw nam phan getting robbed

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by DK_Monster on Dec 5, 2010 2:03 AM EST reply actions  

Why ? I think its cute

by Shocbomb on Dec 5, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Because the link or whatever doesn’t work

by disinferno06 on Dec 5, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought it was about the matt serra profile pic.

They see me rollin...

by spectaa on Dec 5, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I dvred it.

I’m fast forwarding through the commercials and the decision because I knew Pham won. I see Rogan talking to Garcia and I stop and rewind. I could not fucking believe it.

by Crazynutts on Dec 5, 2010 2:05 AM EST reply actions  

I honestly can't remember a worse decision

Despite that, I wasn’t surprised to see the decision go to Garcia because horrid decisions (especially where Leonard Garcia is concerned) are just expected at this point.

I actually said at the end is the fight that I’d stop watching MMA if Garcia somehow got the nod. I doubt I’ll follow through on that, but I’m more tempted than I ever thought I would be.

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by FRANKIE on Dec 5, 2010 2:21 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

P.S.

Can we talk about Garcia’s phantom tap too? I am so pissed about this fight.

Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam.

by FRANKIE on Dec 5, 2010 2:30 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

That pissed me off too.

I was watching with my friend and we both thought he tapped. I understand sometimes you can do it by accident, but not 2 or 3 times on the arm in tap position.

by Jeff Barnes on Dec 5, 2010 4:36 AM EST up reply actions  

No tap,

"I wish Anthony Pace was my father just so I could claim to be the fruit of his loins."

"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."

by the-gentle-way on Dec 5, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

It looks like a tap but he had no reason to tap here.

They see me rollin...

by spectaa on Dec 5, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

that's the quick "brazilian tap" alright, he just didn't get called out on it since he got out

the question is did Nam let up even a bit due to that?

It’s like shaking your junk at the urinal..twice is okay…anything more is suspect.

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by Snatchl on Dec 5, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

well yeah but ...

he didnt make contact. it was an air tap.

"I wish Anthony Pace was my father just so I could claim to be the fruit of his loins."

"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."

by the-gentle-way on Dec 5, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd put this right up there with Bisping/ Hamill

and the other 3 blown calls Garcia has been gifted in the past couple years. These calls make my blood boil. I like Leonard Garcia. I’ve met him a cuple times and he seems like a cool guy. But this is about Nam getting completely screwed and some 70 year old boxing judge with half a brain keeping his comfy job after screwing him. Something needs to be done. The president of the United States can be impeached, olympic medals can be stripped, and anyone can lose their job, so why can’t we seem to get rid of bad judges (and refs) in MMA? I sent my angry email to the NSAC, and everyone else should too.

by DisposableHeroX on Dec 5, 2010 2:48 AM EST reply actions  

I really don't get it

It’s different states and different judges. There must be something about Garcia’s horrible, horrible style that looks effective when judged cageside without a monitor. All I can think of is that maybe those awful winging hooks seem like they land because they hit Phan’s gloves and make a sound.

It wasn’t even a takedown issue because Phan mostly beat the hell out of him on the feet. Sigh.

by Jeff Barnes on Dec 5, 2010 4:35 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

I can't help but think that they can't see what we see.

How else can they be so off base? They need monitors of all cage side cameras, especially for grappling and sub attempts. If they are at eye level, they can’t see shit.

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by Snatchl on Dec 5, 2010 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

for sure dude.

cage side seats seem to be worse that first level seats in my opinion. the cage blocks alot of your view.

"I wish Anthony Pace was my father just so I could claim to be the fruit of his loins."

"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."

by the-gentle-way on Dec 5, 2010 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

*worse than

"I wish Anthony Pace was my father just so I could claim to be the fruit of his loins."

"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."

by the-gentle-way on Dec 5, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

It would be interesting to hear what those judges think of their own judging skills. I can’t imagine what it’d be like to have to have the whole MMA planet tell you you’re doing a horrible job and Joe Rogan call you an incompetent moron. I’m surprised that they’d still even want to be judging MMA after that… they must really need the money.

by koroshiya on Dec 5, 2010 6:19 AM EST reply actions  

This decision was infuriating enough to dig out my BE account. Let us not hold it against Garcia, he is just a fighter who gave it his best. Even he admits that by his book Phan won. It was sort of weird watching the close Story – Hendricks fight after that pondering what will the judges think of it.

“Don’t leave it in the hands of the judges.” is likely the worst maxim used in professional sport. As Joe Rogan said, these guys should just fight. Heartbreaking. MMA seriously needs a strong turn in judging department. This site and plenty others easily enumerate ways it could be achieved. How long will it take athletic commission to get on the same page is a difficult, difficult question.

Is there a way for some athletic rulings body to review this fight and possibly change outcome to NC at least? Also what is a proper address to express my outrage? I would like to send an e-mail expressing my disappointment with this decision.

by zombie_hobbes on Dec 5, 2010 9:09 AM EST reply actions  

“"Don’t leave it in the hands of the judges." is likely the worst maxim used in professional sport.”

Agreed, it’s just the nature of the sport that there will frequently be decisions. Every time that happens you can’t just throw this excuse out there and basically accept that it will be a coin toss who wins. It is quite obviously terrible for the sport in every way.

by Asmo on Dec 5, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Don’t leave it in the hands of the judges is the only control the fighters have on actually guaranteeing a win. It is sad that that is the way it is but with the state of judging as bad as it is the only way you can assure a victory is to finish the fight yourself. It’s not some kind of “maxim” it’s a sad factual statement about how things currently stand and that the fighters and organizations can’t do anything about the problem. Well except for Lenard Garcia, if he can finish the fight at all he tends to get the nod from the judges for some reason.

by who me on Dec 5, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

"As long as applicants prove that they are competent " - Kizer

How exactly do they do that? They have no background in the martial arts they’re judging, so how do they establish competency? Is there a test that the tax-payers can review online somewhere?

Jab, jab, towards, short, fierce.

by asa on Dec 5, 2010 9:18 AM EST reply actions  

He’s basically saying that Joe Schmo can come off the street and if he proves he can judge, he won’t be outcast from doing so. I think that’s a pretty good policy as a lot of MMA fans have watched TONS of fights and have concepts that some judges who actually trained down pat.

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by Leland Roling on Dec 5, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I disagree

You should have to have a blue belt in jiu jitsu ,have to take 1-3 leg kicks from Forrest Griffin or equalivalent , and get to be taken down on a ufc mat. So you realize the difference between a slam and a take down.

"I wish Anthony Pace was my father just so I could claim to be the fruit of his loins."

"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."

by the-gentle-way on Dec 5, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t agree.

Joe Schmo, such as myself, can come in and judge according to how the criteria is working right now. I’d give an advantage to people who actually do train, but… most of the MMA media doesn’t do that and they judge way better than most of these guys.

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by Leland Roling on Dec 5, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Them and honest fans

Who can set bias aside.

Shit, even the casual fans I was watching with gave Nam each round.

by truck on Dec 5, 2010 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

hell, besides doc hamilton its

pretty much a coin flip if the judge makes a call that even remotely resembles rational thought.

So I can see your point.

"I wish Anthony Pace was my father just so I could claim to be the fruit of his loins."

"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."

by the-gentle-way on Dec 5, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Make it like a real job

Require letters of recommendation from at least one legit striking coach and at least one legit grappling coach. Participation in regional striking and grappling competitions a plus. Prior full-contact combat sports judging experience a big plus. Former pro MMA fighter (with no conflicts-of-interest) a big plus.

Require two essays on two separate, controversial, close, high-profile bouts (such as Griffin vs. Rampage or Machida vs. Shogun I) on who should have won and why. Candidates will write their essays in a room with videos of the bouts, but nothing else. They may watch each video only once with no rewind. Replays will be cut out.

Of course, that’s just to get in. Prospective judges should still go through the aforementioned apprenticeship programs. If they pass, they get put in local and regional shows then work their way up. If one screws up, they get suspended without pay or demoted.

by Flying Gogoplata on Dec 5, 2010 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

"... and if he proves he can judge..."

That is what I’m asking about – what is the proof? Is it a written test, how many statistics they can remember, whether they agree with previous scores? I’m wondering what he means by “prove.”

Jab, jab, towards, short, fierce.

by asa on Dec 5, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats such bull shit the odds they will even look at your application are about as good as becoming the Governor of the state ov Nevada, The commission is like a small town good old boy network that only appoints inner circle & family members or gives positions for political or financial favors.Anyone who knows anything about the inner workins of athletic commissions will tell you that its no secret .From last night take Judge Adalaide Byrd the only reason she is a judge is Byrd is the wife of World Boxing Hall of Fame referee Robert Byrd.

by Shocbomb on Dec 5, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not looking to apply

Just curious about the process.

Jab, jab, towards, short, fierce.

by asa on Dec 5, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Decisions like this are stymieing this sport’s growth, and it seems these types of decisions are very prevalent with UFC fights in overall. Phan beat Garcia hands down, and these judges take a clear win away from him, and this must be stopped once and for all. I’m a big supporter of MMA as a sport, and I attend many live events, but I must admit these types of outcomes are pushing me and other fans possibly to the point of disinterest. If this sport is to continue to grow, a new form of judging fights should be implemented in order to stop these types of decisions from occurring in this sport. Judges should be held accountable for the clearly terrible decisions that are rendered from time to time, and the sooner this happens the better.

So does this mean Cain is eating a roadkill burger and drinking a Coors Light about now?

by twodragunns on Dec 5, 2010 2:03 PM EST reply actions  

It is buy far hurting the sport the most when these horrible decisions happen in the UFC thats for sure but I don’t think they are prevalent or happening more often in the UFC. It seems itsbecome a weekly occurrence in all of mma in North America anymore. The night before on hd.net fights we had a few score cards buy judges on the XFC show that made you ask yourself what the hell round / fight were they just watching/scoring ?

by Shocbomb on Dec 5, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Sent the NSAC a letter

I’ve just sent them a letter, and it’s not the first time I’ve done this, and hopefully more fans will take the time to do the same.

So does this mean Cain is eating a roadkill burger and drinking a Coors Light about now?

by twodragunns on Dec 5, 2010 2:48 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

"shadow" judging

The AC’s mentioning of prospective judges “shadowing” more experienced judges before being allowed to judge fights shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the real problem.

How can anybody expect incompetent judges to teach relevant judging practices to their potential replacement? Would you hire a mentally challenged individual to tutor your child in math?

by OmoPlata on Dec 5, 2010 5:31 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

the blind leading the blind

Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?
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by Snatchl on Dec 5, 2010 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

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