Leonard Garcia 'does not approve' of Doc's New Scoring Method
by mma_dude on Dec 4, 2010 1:27 PM EST
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A new scoring method, developed by the veteran official "Doc" Hamilton, and designed for use in Mixed Martial Arts bouts, represents something fundamentally different than what is currently being used in MMA.
Currently, mma uses the "10 point must system," a system that offers only three possible outcomes for each round (10-10, 10-9, 10-8), while the 10-8 is almost never used due to referee stoppages. The scoring method, which was originally designed for boxing, has been effective in scoring fights that typically go more than ten - 3 minute rounds -- where as most MMA fights are scheduled for three - 5 minute rounds.
The new system, a variant of the 10 point system, allows for 7 possible variations (10-10, 10-9.5, 10-9, 10-8.5, 10-8, 10-7.5, 10-7) with the 10-7 and 10-7.5 almost never used due to referee stoppages. The biggest difference, however, is not in the scoring possibilities themselves but in the criteria that is used to determine the score.
Currently, mma uses three criteria of equal value: effective striking & grappling, cage control, and aggression. All three criteria are used as a whole in determining the round winner. The easiest way to characterize how these criteria are used in the actual is to say: if Fighter 'A' is able to demonstrate a superiority in one or more of the three criteria, and Fighter 'B' is not, than the round will go to Fighter 'A'. This scoring method has been frustrating to fans on occasion because if Fighter 'A' demonstrates effective striking (that has led to damage), but Fighter 'B' has demonstrated aggression and cage control (things that often don't lead to damage), fighter 'B' will still be the round winner.
The new system, introduces a singular criteria (damage inflicted) that is backed by several other criteria in case of a tie in damage. If both fighters inflict the same level of damage, then the secondary criteria of effective striking/grappling will be used. If that too is deemed a tie, then a tertiary criteria of cage control will be used in determining the round winner. And, if after all rounds have been completed and there is a tie in the cumulation of all round scores, then a "Table Judge" will determine the winner based on a scoring system in which points are given for various technical moves tallied throughout the entire fight (ex. knock downs, guard passing, sweeps, etc.).
I like this new method -- finally DAMAGE is the focus of MMA bouts.
This new scoring system will have a trial run in Amateur California MMA bouts before it is used in professional fights.
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but much like the 10-10 rnd
it is never used
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10 point must is fine……problem is idiot judges. Giving them more complicated rules and systems is only asking for more ridiculous incompetency.
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If the round is too close, it's 10-10, NOT flip a coin 10-9 or late takedown FTW.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Dec 5, 2010 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
the ten point system is stupid.
you can win two rounds by a single takedown and run like a bitch for the third and still win a fight?
everything dana white says is a complete lie
by slantedwindows on Dec 5, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Seen this?
http://www.mmadecisions.com/ten_ten_report.jsp
Great website. There’s no report on 10-8 rounds, but they are few and far between, especially in close fights.
I think having written reasoning for the scoring of each round should be mandatory.
Holy crap was the Garcia/Phan decision horrible, and we have no idea what they were thinking.
Use more judges.
Great link
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The number change is stupid.
Judges are just going to use 10-9.5 all the time instead of 10-9 and barely ever use any of the other numbers.
I’m glad that they finally changed the judging criteria though.
Currently a 10-9 score is given if there is a “marginal advantage”, “clear advantage,” or “dominant advantage” shown by one of the fighters.
Under the new rules a “marginal adv.” would get 9.5, “clear adv.” a 9, and “dominant adv.” a 8.5.
Faber, Florian, Diaz, 'Mayhem', Mousasi, Fedor
How about giving a "marginal advantage" a 10-8
and a big advantage a 10-8 and a "almost finished a 10-7
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by S.C. Michaelson on Dec 4, 2010 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
There is no point in doing this. Please score a fight using half points, and I will turn it into whole numbers, that says the same thing.
It's hard to understand these quibbles...
I agree it seems to make more sense using integers instead of decimal. But, if it takes decimals for change, I’m all for it. Who really understands the deep, dark, beaurocratic nightmare that is the athletic commission — but if “doc” says we need decimals, I ain’t gonna complain.
Faber, Florian, Diaz, 'Mayhem', Mousasi, Fedor
I don’t get why you would take his word for it over all the experience we have. The current system allows for options besides 10-9, they are hardly used. How people think decimals are going to make the guy that scored the first round of the Benji Radach fight something besides 10-9 is beyond me.
By making decimals, you already have to convince the judges to change what they think a 10-9 round is into something else, why not change it to something that will be easier for people to understand?
The current system allows for options besides 10-9, they are hardly used.
The current system is based on boxing. In boxing you only score a 10-8 if someone gets knocked down (briefly loses constiousness) In MMA, if that happens, the fight is usually stopped.
why not change it to something that will be easier for people to understand?
I read the entire PDF (the link is above in the text) and I thought it was crystal clear. Whether it’s whole numbers or half steps isn’t gonna be a deal breaker for me.
Faber, Florian, Diaz, 'Mayhem', Mousasi, Fedor
Doc Hamilston's system is stupid
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I was with you till you said this
“but Fighter ‘B’ has demonstrated aggression and cage control (things that often don’t lead to damage), "
Sometimes aggression and cage control don’t lead to damage. But the vast majority of fights have these elements because they are what lead to damage.
a fighter is agressive .. if they are trying to actively throw strikes.
Cage control is putting a fighter in a better position to more accurately throw strikes with more power while putting the other fighter in a inferior position..
aggression and cage control are what fights are about.. without them we would have boxing matches (no positional movement except to strike in the moment) with no incentive to fight (without aggression scored)
those extra points will only give fans more to bitch about.. ie "that was a 10-8.5 round ! not a 10-8!
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