Alistair Overeem's Priorities and Possibilities
Over at Sherdog.com, Tony Loiseleur has an exhaustive piece up on the efforts to make Strikeforce heavyweight and K-1 World Grand Prix champion Alistair Overeem into a kakutogi star in Japan. It's a long piece, but for a full grasp of Loisleur's thesis the entire piece should be read.
A few things stuck out to me. First, there's an explanation of why Overeem has prioritized competing in Japan for K-1 over defending his Strikeforce title. Loiseleur explains:
Cultural allure is the simplest reason why Overeem remains adamant about spending the best years of his career in Japan and K-1 rather than exclusively fighting MMA stateside.
On top of Overeem's fascination with Japanese pop culture, K-1 stars are infinitely more revered in his native Netherlands, and by fighting K-1 and MMA, his chances for frequent fights and paydays are much greater. Exclusively fighting for Strikeforce or the UFC, he would be looking at three fights a year at most. By fighting K-1 and MMA together, he can easily double that.
Though he does not say so himself, Overeem wants to be in the Octagon someday, according to members from his entourage. However, that time simply is not now. The present is all about building his star and his bank account, and Japan is still the best place to do that.
I'm with most North American fans insofar as I'd prefer Overeem more regularly defend his Strikeforce title, but the Dutchman's logic is sound. In fact, by Dana White's own argument Overeem is making the proper choice. White routinely notes that a fighter's window to make money and an impact in the sport is very short. By prioritizing his competition schedule as he currently does, Overeem is maximizing his financial intake while accruing legitimate athletic accomplishments. At some point soon he'll need to return to the Strikeforce cage, but this balancing act is clearly working for him. It's also a fresh reminder that the globalization of the sport and it's globalized actors can have differing priorities even outside clear geographic power centers.
I also struck by the plain comparison of Overeem with Bob Sapp. With Overeem's seemingly ubiquitous presence on Japanese TV, along with interviews in print magazines, newspapers and any other media outlet of significance, he is getting the sort of rare push that harkens back to the days of the "kakutogi boom" led by Sapp. But there is a crucial distinction:
The greatest case study in this process is Bob Sapp, who became a staple on Japanese television in 2002, turning into one of the most popular celebrities in the entire country and one of the principals of Japan's "kakutogi boom." However, when it became clear they were promoting a guy whose personality far outstripped his talents, interest in Sapp declined.
"I think Alistair is one notch ahead of [Sapp]," says Goodall. "He's clever enough to ride that wagon because he knows that it's not just popularity for himself but for K-1, as well. A lot of Japanese compare [Sapp] with Alistair, but Bob Sapp was all show and no work."
This begs the question as to why Fuji TV had not pushed anyone else the same way since Sapp. Why not Semmy Schilt or Remy Bonjasky?
Simply, their inability to excite a majority of the fans despite their winning kickboxing abilities made them uninteresting subjects. They lack the understanding and ability to play to the TV crowd the way that Sapp and Overeem can.
"If you're the champion, the least you could do is learn a few phrases in Japanese and try to engage the crowd," Overeem tells me at one point, wistfully shaking his head. "You need to engage the audience. It's your responsibility."
Overeem's media savvy and understanding of the climate in Japan cannot be understated. I've always suspected Sapp was ready to take advantage of opportunities thrown his way without ever really considering what it all meant. It's almost like a American TV reality star just looking to maximize whatever exposure they get from being on TV, whose only plan is get exposure while the getting's good. Overeem, by contrast, is taking advantage of the opportunity, but in a much more refined and strategic way.
To that end, what also interested me was not only Overeem strategic vision, but the players and inner circle of Overeem who are using their considerable expertise, business connections and elbow grease to turn Overeem into the next big thing. To wit:
I engage Boon in a long conversation on his master plan of building Alistair into an international star. Boon tells me Overeem is in a "get big in Japan" phase. They do all they can to get him on TV and have him meet a who's who of Japanese media moguls and celebs to ensure his ubiquity in the country for years to come.
"A few years ago, Alistair sat down with me and said, ‘These are my goals. I want to do things like fight in Japan this often, get titles, and retire at this age.'" Boon tells me. "So I developed a plan to do all of it. I can make it happen because of the network I've developed over the years."
Boon has signed Overeem with Yoshimoto Kogyo -- one of nation's oldest and most powerful talent agencies. Though Yoshimoto has historically managed the armies of comedians ever-present on Japanese television, its sheer size and reach has seen it extend its promotional efforts to athletes, musicians and actors, as well. Overeem is the company's first foreign athlete in its nearly 100-year history.
Boon acquired these capabilities by spending more than two decades in the fight game as a producer, promoter and manager. Hemmers himself used to train and manage his stepson, Dutch kickboxing legend Ramon Dekkers, among many other Dutch fighters. A lot of history and ability exists between the two of them, and now Overeem benefits from their combined efforts. However, a media push of this magnitude for one of their charges is a new experience for both of them.
The mediocre ratings for the 2010 K-1 Grand Prix is proof that despite the best practices and heft of this media push, it may all be for naught. Overeem may have the goods to be a star, but part of becoming that "star" requires a kakutogi climate that's significantly more favorable. And as Loiseleur points out, that will only happen when the major media players in Japan work in tandem for that end.
I encourage you to read the entire piece. It's illuminating beyond the scope of Overeem's push. There's much to be gleaned about Japan, the state of MMA in that country and about maneuvering goals within Japanese society. But really, it's about Alistair Overeem and his vision for himself and his future. If his gamble is correct, not only will he be the star he's setting out to be, but maybe - just maybe - he can help reignite kakutogi fever in Japan.
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i was referring to the word he misspelled. I think Luke’s work is excellent. A lot of high quality posts here today.
New England Patriots: We don't rebuild, we reload
by Austin Martin on Dec 30, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
and it’s only 11:19 AM PST
When in Rome we shall do as the Romans, when in Hell we do shots at the bar.
by Barack Lesnar on Dec 30, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
He's kicking ass and taking names all over the world
And having fun doing it. Why ef up a good thing going?
But the most important thing is
he’s making bank. Not many people in the UFC can say that.
He can certainly make far more money doing what he's doing
than joining the UFC.
Fair play to him.
"I don't worry much about losing. What's so bad about losing? I'll fight again, I'll still get paid and hot chicks will still have sex with me for no good reason."
Fighting in Japan
will be Todd Duffee’s smartest career move.
Getting his head taken off by Overeem on Japan’s premiere MMA night does way more for his image than grinding out a win on a card noone will really watch. His superhero size and physique is made for stardom in Japan.
by gavingavinkindgavin on Dec 30, 2010 2:20 PM EST reply actions
tahdue doofeea
New England Patriots: We don't rebuild, we reload
by Austin Martin on Dec 30, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
lmao
Nice!
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
by the-gentle-way on Dec 30, 2010 2:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
HILARIOUS
I'm the best ever. You're the most average in a minute.
by slapjaw ackrite on Dec 30, 2010 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
Think thing that struck me most, and has often seemed clear when Overeem gives interviews, is how much smarter he is than the average fighter. I loved this quote:
"I know what it’s like to be poor [living with] my grandmother. I know what it’s like to have no money. I know what it’s like to be in debt. I know what it’s like to make money, to get out of debt. It’s been a long process, and you have to be careful about these things. These are the years that you can make money, so do it while you can and don’t spend too much," Overeem says over dinner.
Walter Cronkite wasn’t known as Kid Cronk for a fucking reason.
"Unfortunately, it won’t shut anyone up, but if (the Falcons) get a Lombardi, I’m going to spend all of 2011 not giving a rat’s ass what anyone says." – Dave Choate
As importantly, unlike certain people who started poor (Britney Spears?)
He knew how not to react to sudden riches…
And this is a great line:
Alistair can come down to a show, take his shirt off and pick six girls up and be funny.
Walter Cronkite wasn’t known as Kid Cronk for a fucking reason.
"Unfortunately, it won’t shut anyone up, but if (the Falcons) get a Lombardi, I’m going to spend all of 2011 not giving a rat’s ass what anyone says." – Dave Choate
I saw him talking about that in a Helwani Interview...
He was explaining how confusing he find Japanese culture, but how he loves it and the attention he gets. Those girls were some local pop group apparently lol
by Matty Euripides Castourkas on Dec 30, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
IF Overeem loses, which of the following will happen first?
A) M-1 starts negotiating with Monty Cox for Fedor vs Duffee
B) Dana White starts negotiating to get Duffee back in the UFC
C) Coker has a heart attack
"How do you shoot the devil in the back? What if you miss?"
B) + C)
And DW has to pay through the nose.
Especially when Duffee is like, I always wanted in and you betrayed me when my father died and I was going through a rough patch, DW will want to play Uncle Dana and seem the generous loveable figure head who welcomes the super athlete back into his arms lol
by Matty Euripides Castourkas on Dec 30, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
As for C)
Coker’s fat ass will take a dirt nap and he’ll learn a painful yet strong lesson about being the fighters’ b****. For all the DW hate, people forget how unruly fighters can be and how frustrating it is when the best and obvious choice of match ups simply doesn’t materialise.
It is arguable that this is also a danger with the corporate suits making all the choices, for example cashing in on GSP to make him fight little and go reality, but because the suits care about money first and foremost, they’re more likely to force what the fans want then the alternative, them having little control.
by Matty Euripides Castourkas on Dec 30, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Err sorry,
That came out very wrong, meant the dirt nap jokingly since he said Coker has a heart attack. I wish no harm on Coker and that came out too hateful :/
by Matty Euripides Castourkas on Dec 30, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
Mark my words
People like to think Dana is anti non UFC fighters but he’s smarter than most people give credit. He loves what Overeem is doing because by the time Overeem wants in, he’ll have a deadly HW fighter to beef up the weakest division and with instant start power in Japan, a market nearly impossible to pierce. The only reason he’s such a dick in interviews is because, at the end of the day, he’s a rival promoter. The less impressed he acts the less he needs to pay, just like Overeem is trying to strengthen his side of the negotiating table and gain a unique property very enviable to the UFC, so does DW try to strengthen his position.
In the end, this’ll all end great. Overeem will make money, UFC will make money and beef up a division strongly needing beefing, and UFC will gain an “in” to the japanese market and so fighter wins, org wins, and sport wins as it expands, both K1 and mma.
by Matty Euripides Castourkas on Dec 30, 2010 2:32 PM EST reply actions
But when?
I think people tend to forget that Overeem is 30(31 in May) so let’s say he enters the UFC in May 2012 he’s 32, May 2013 he’s 33. And really we dont even know when he would want to go to the UFC. Sure it could be sooner but it also could be later.
Now that’s not the worst age to be entering the UFC at but Overeem started fighting at 19 and has a retirement age in mind, which I doubt is anything past 40, so I hate the idea that he’ll get there eventually.
I love the way you spin Alistairs hard work into being all about Dana. Get real. This is an MMA success story and Dana has had nothing, nooooooothing to do with it at all.
by fitefan on Dec 30, 2010 7:22 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Not to mention
If Overeem beats Fedor and Werdum and the lighter divisions of the UFC gain more exposure, Japan will be a very potential market if DW can gain enough networking, the japanese talent concentration has always been very concentrated in the lower weights imo
by Matty Euripides Castourkas on Dec 30, 2010 2:33 PM EST reply actions
Overeem is on his way to becoming the biggest fighter outside the UFC
For a long time Fedor was understandably the most saught after acquisition, but with his loss and the layoffs between fights, the interest isn’t there as much any more, and the superstar power was never truly there.
Overeem is different, hardcore fans know him as a Pride fighter who hit some hard times and losses, and has re-emerged as a heavyweight destroyer.
He fights in DREAM and K-1 and is clearly being worked into an international star. Being a K-1 Champion is great for his pedigree…it makes him a legit star with the talent to back it up.
Because he isn’t in the UFC, his entire heavyweight win streak from Buentello on, as well as his whole K-1 career starting with Hari can be found on youtube. That may not sound like a huge deal, but having all of your fights available for public viewing for free can really build you up by allowing anyone to see you destroy your past opponents.
The Reem documentary also gives new and old fans an opporunity to learn about him and his career from the start and to keep up with his activities and intentions…it allows fans to feel more of a connection with him than they might with other fighters.
Ideally he’ll more evenly mix up his StrikeForce defenses, K-1 fights, and DREAM fights in the next year or 2 before finally coming to the UFC and being one of the biggest stars they’ve ever had without further buildup of their own. If he can keep on winning in both MMA and K-1, it’s simply going to be insane for him.
It’s going to be epic when he finally comes to the UFC.
CPG
Alistair Overeem - StrikeForce HeavyWeight Champion, K-1 2010 World Grand Prix Champion
by Chris Groves on Dec 30, 2010 2:38 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
and
the most exciting hw in the world.
"One should always be cold minded and remember that a ridiculous incident may occur any time."
Finally..........someone who gets it!
I love what Alistair has been doing and the fact that he has become the dominant force that he is. I rank The Reem with the top 3 heavyweights in the world.
JDS, Cain and Overeem are the top of the food chain. The guy deserves major respect.
Thank you
CPG
Alistair Overeem - StrikeForce HeavyWeight Champion, K-1 2010 World Grand Prix Champion
by Chris Groves on Dec 31, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
I can't recommend...
This article enough.
by Applejack McNeil on Dec 30, 2010 4:25 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Comparing Overeem to Sapp?
It’s bogus. Sapp drew a huge audience for years. Alistair isn’t. He may have gotten a big push but it’s clearly not working.
by Jonathan Snowden on Dec 30, 2010 4:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Ya, it’s been what two weeks since he won the K1 championship and this thing isn’t working. WFT???? Give it time Jonathan.
by fitefan on Dec 30, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He’s been in Japan a decade. He beat Badr two years ago. Sapp was a bigger star before his first fight. Lightning doesn’t strike twice.
by Jonathan Snowden on Dec 30, 2010 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
Good read.

I sort of understand the foaming at the mouth over Fedor, but people really should chill the F out over Overeem.
He’ll get here when he gets here.
"One should always be cold minded and remember that a ridiculous incident may occur any time."
Overeem Is making money and becoming a fucking killer in the process....
I love what the guy does and his outlook of the sport and the future. He is very intelligent and is a fucking wrecking ball.
Anyone who isn’t a fan of Mr. Reem isn’t a fan of combat sports.

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