Georges St. Pierre Outsmarts Josh Koscheck on The Ultimate Fighter
When I first met Georges St. Pierre, he was nothing like what I expected. For one, he was wearing a coat but no tie, looking more like a young professional heading to the club or Ruth's Chris than a cagefighter. There were no logos visible on his clothing at all, a rare sight in the hyper ad heavy world of MMA. Secondly, he was smart. Not just chatty like Stephan Bonner or witty like Chael Sonnen - legitimately smart.
We talked a little about the history of combat and Georges mentioned the revolutionary power of the composite bow. The power of the arrow transformed warfare for the Assyrians - St. Pierre believed there were techniques from traditional martial arts that could transform MMA the same way. Eventually we weren't even talking about fighting. GSP offers the world much more than that.
At the time I didn't know what to think of the strange young French Canadian. There is potentially a danger in being too contemplative for MMA, even too nice. After all, this is cage fighting we're talking about, a sport where the top fighters are often loathsome, mind numbingly dumb, or both. Luckily Georges and his team found Greg Jackson, a trainer built specifically for him. He's surrounded himself with interesting, confident, and strong people. It's a great group and their success isn't by chance.
And now, a season's worth of fighters on The Ultimate Fighter have been able to experience the Georges St. Pierre experience. Jonathan Brookins, one of the season's finalists, says GSP was instrumental in changing the way he approached the fight.
"I think the biggest thing that I took from it was just my mental outlook towards fighting," Brookins said in a conference call yesterday. "On the physical front, I realized after the show it is going to take me years to kind of perfect and to really kind of understand, because that's how long it kind of takes. But the way that I perceive the sport, the way I go about it, was changed completely by that set of coaches, and I was really thankful for that."
While GSP's opponent on December 11, Josh Koscheck, comes from a highly touted fight team himself, Brookins believes that the training he offered his team was a little one dimensional. After all, the same size glove doesn't fit all hands.
"During the filming, it became apparent fairly quick that we were getting a different set of coaches, a different look, so to speak, than the other team. You're kind of locked up, and we were beginning to kind of (learning) from these people from all over the world," Brookins said. "And it became kind of like, you almost didn't want to brag to the other team, you almost kind of had something to brag about. What these guys would kind of start to notice real fast that like they're getting the same guys from you know one school, and there's no variety. And so you can kind of tell kind of quick that we were getting a better coaching staff than the other team."
Brookins's opponent Michael Johnson, a man who was also his teammate throughout the filming of the season, says there was more than just a philosophical difference between the coaches. St. Pierre, according to Johnson, put his money where his mouth is and got in the trenches with his troops.
"I knew coming in that Georges was going to bring in all the great coaches that made him great, and I think the main thing that separated our coaching staff from their coaching staff was Georges actually trained with us every day," Johnson said during a conference call. "I got a feeling that Koscheck didn't do that. You know he was more of, 'Let me sit on the sideline and try to kill these guys through the sixth week,' as opposed to helping these guys win."
The fight between Johnson and Brookins will crown the winner of the twelfth season of the venerable reality show. But true to TUF's history, neither man is sure if he will stay in the lightweight division after the finale Saturday. The inclusion of the featherweight division into the UFC has opened the door for both men to return to 145 pounds.
"I'm going to look at everything. I'm just going to go by the fights where they need me," Brookins said. "You know if there's a good fight at '45, and they call me up and say, "Hey, we need you here," I'll be there. If there's a good fight at '55, and they say, "We need you there," I'll be there. So it's nice to be able to go both weight classes and whatnot, and I enjoy competing at both of them."
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Ways in which Koscheck disgraced himself this season: making fun, leading to a brawl, of male nurses (of which there are a zillion worldwide), getting outsmarted in every possible way by GSP, turning his #1 pick (and friend) Stevens completely against him by the end of the show, providing no apparent coaching (at least none that actually seemed to have any effect)……im sure there is more LOL
He did win the baseball challenge. Although, he also lost his plunger.
by KatGirl on Dec 3, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Danaher too
John Danaher is another coach who, because of his intelligence, seems tailor-made for GSP. St Pierre’s surrounded himself with a lot of good people, and I’m not just talking about his coaches.
All the top guys at Jackson’s seem like very smart guys. Except Carwin, but I have a feeling he won’t be a top guy for much longer.
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He is an engineer...so I wouldn't quite say he is dumb.
but then again actions speaking louder than a piece of paper.
Electrical Engineers
I work with a bunch of E-Engineers and some of these guys can’t figure out a simply color printer, let alone make the distinction between copier or printer. While some (read: few) are extremely bright many I work with did just enough to finish school and get good jobs.
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by VeeisAnimated on Dec 3, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Engineers are very good at engineer-y things...
and most of them that I’ve met are…odd
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 3, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
*odd to interact with, that was supposed to say
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 3, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
I was at the San Diego zoo once, on the bus around the park. The woman narrating the bus ride said “On our left are the leopards. Unlike some other cats that are very sociable, leopards are very solitary creatures. They’re like engineers – they don’t have very good social skills at all.”
My engineer-friend sitting beside me was not amused.
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In an unrelated story from the same busride, when we pulled up beside a cage, the bus lady said “This is a jabiru stork. Does anyone know what these animals are well-known for?”
I yelled out “THEY BRING BABIES!”
I got zero laughs, and like 7 groans. I was crushed.
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If I knew you were Beer Monster on BE boards, I would have laughed too.
Otherwise, I would have sat silent and possibly groaned at your engineer friend for not being amused at the engineer joke.
Where I went to school (engineering school), the ratio of men to women was 7 to 2. The saying was that the odds were good but the goods were odd.
by KatGirl on Dec 3, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Good people is the key.
Not only are they intelligent, they also seem to be good hearted folk who don’t mind putting themselves out there for others. Ego isn’t getting in the way of training.
I think it’s harder than it sounds to not let ego get it in the way. You have to be confident enough to admit you don’t know everything and need to learn it. Not everyone can do that.
by KatGirl on Dec 3, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Johnathon Brookins is the best overall person I've seen on TUF, with a good work ethic and talent. Skys the Limits for him.
Guy has been impressive
Not sure if I’d buy in to quickly though. I thought Pearson and Escudero had tons of potential. But one got choked out his last fight as a reasonable favorite, and ones not even with the UFC anymore
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by sitnam90 on Dec 3, 2010 7:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Interviewer: Jonathon, do you feel confident about your fight on Saturday?
Brookins: Kind of.
by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Dec 3, 2010 11:11 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Humility.
He’s not a smack talker in the least.
I can respect that. He’ll put on a great performance.
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by ChicagoMarine on Dec 3, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
From the editing, to what each coach decided to say on television you can pretty much tell that GSP and his trainers had a whole lot more to offer.
Koscheck brought in Fitch and Daniel Cormier. They all have wrestling backgrounds. Then he also brought in AKA’s Bob Cook and Javier Mendez.
I’m sure the fact that GSP defeated Fitch and Koscheck in a dominant fashion was not loss on any of the contestants.
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Do AKA guys ever stray outside of their gym?
I know that guys from Alliance MMA (Lloyd Irvin) like Phil Davis make their way into AKA but I’ve never heard of AKA guys going to cross-train elsewhere.
by KenCanFightBear on Dec 3, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
Lots of fighters never go out of their own gym. I don’t think GSP does either, actually. He brings guys in.
"Burritos are my life." - BJ Penn
Which brings up another interesting subject
I’ve also heard that fighters are contractually obligated to the gyms that they train out of where their gyms are also their managers. IIRC, AKA works like this. I haven’t heard the same for other gyms, though.
by KenCanFightBear on Dec 3, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
GSP actually travels quite a bit too, especially to NY and NM.
by Jonathan Snowden on Dec 3, 2010 11:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
he goes to New Mexico, and tristar
So there are 2 at least
"I wish Anthony Pace was my father just so I could claim to be the fruit of his loins."
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
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by the-gentle-way on Dec 3, 2010 12:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And New York, I imagine
Where Renzo, Danaher and Nurse are
Where did you get that information
GSP like Kenny Florian are basically traveling martial artists. They will go anywhere.
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by VeeisAnimated on Dec 3, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
They showed him in NY (Renzo and Phil Nurse’s school), Canada and New Mexico. Not to mention he will go for a week with Freddie Roach.
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by VeeisAnimated on Dec 3, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
I think Swick's been all over Twitter
Tweeting about traveling the world to train. Recently, I believe he was in Thailand and later was in Brazil, rolling with Aldo.
See Mike Swick in Brazil training with Novia Unia
That’s the only report that I heard of an AKA guy training elsewhere.
I’m sure they do, but that’s just speculation on my part.
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by VeeisAnimated on Dec 3, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
I think mike swick travels just to travel though.
I remember him tweeting pics for ethiopia IIRC.
I also know Fitch spent some time in Thailand right before UFC 87
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by sitnam90 on Dec 3, 2010 7:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Very nice piece Snowden!
I felt really bad for the fighters on team Koscheck by the end of the season. The seemed to get a pretty raw deal. Even if GSP had lost every fight I assure you he would have taken the remainder of the season to nurture his guys. What a shame.
Snowden, where is Brookins training these days?
I heard Brookins is training in Florida somewhere.
by KenCanFightBear on Dec 3, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
I think I heard something about Gracie Barra
but a lot of fighters use the show as a launch pad towards bigger gyms.
Yes. Gracie Barra in Orlando.
by Jonathan Snowden on Dec 3, 2010 11:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I am kind of surprised he didn't decide to bounce around and work in different gyms
He seems like the kind of guy who would want to take in as much knowledge, from as many places as possible.
Reminds me a lot of the Rashad - Rampage coaching differences
Where, for the first time I really gained an appreciation for Rashad and, also for the first time, lost a great deal of respect for Rampage.
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by The American Ronin on Dec 3, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
I think GSP was the best coach I’ve ever seen on TUF. That was EXACTLY how it should be done: tons of sparring, tons of outside top tier talent, tons of mental visualizations. I loved when he said “I honestly dont care if my guys lose every match as long as they improve, its not about me, its about their journeys”. Awesomeness. I think this season exposed the myth of “the only thing TUF coaches can really do is run them into the ground with cardio”, Dane actually vastly improved on the show, for chrissakes.
There weren't too many Jackson guys though
Correct me if I’m wrong but I didn’t see too many Greg Jackson guys on the show. Mind you, I didn’t watch every single episode but it kinda looked that way. Danaher’s a Renzo Gracie school guy and Jean-Charles Skarbowsky (sp?) trains Muay Thai in France.
GSP is mostly Tri-star-based with game-planning aided by Jackson. That seems to be the extent of it. Not to say that GSP doesn’t exude Jackson’s style through and through but I wouldn’t say that GSP is as entrenched in Jackson’s coaching as say, Condit, Dodson, Villasenor, Guillard etc. In any case, the GSP-Jackson connection is definitely a good thing.
by KenCanFightBear on Dec 3, 2010 11:20 AM EST reply actions
I don't think they were needed.
Why would you need more Jackson guys on the show when he brought in Jean Charles, Kru Phil Nurse, Greg Jackson himself, Danaher, and freaking Mike Tyson. Not to mention training directly with GSP who’s a proven great athlete and champion.
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by VeeisAnimated on Dec 3, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Good point.. What other wrestler would be needed when the best MMA wrestler is your freakin coach?
by KenCanFightBear on Dec 3, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
Well there are better technical wrestlers. GSP has physical gifts that let him do things most people can’t. Like have sex with lots of hot women.
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by crazybones on Dec 3, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
“I knew coming in that Georges was going to bring in all the great coaches that made him great, and I think the main thing that separated our coaching staff from their coaching staff was Georges actually trained with us every day,” Johnson said during a conference call. “I got a feeling that Koscheck didn’t do that. You know he was more of, ‘Let me sit on the sideline and try to kill these guys through the sixth week,’ as opposed to helping these guys win.”
Koscheck’s team had better resumes coming in compared to GSP’s squad. Very raw talent on GSP’s squad outside of Brookins.
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and yet, Team GSP dominated. I think coaching may have had alot to do with that.
by Hutchy on Dec 3, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Absolutely!
I think Koscheck looked at the series as an opportunity to get more exposure and play the villian. It helped hype the fight.
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by ChicagoMarine on Dec 3, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Ooorah...
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by ChicagoMarine on Dec 3, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Wait...so what your saying is GSP is a history buff?
That is awesome.
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He's also a dinosaur nut
Everything I read about GSP makes me like him more.
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Brookins says “kind of” a lot
Right hand coffee, left hand cactus, right hand coffee left hand cactus, keep it straight...
It's a sign of intelligence to refuse absolutes.
IMHO
by verloc on Dec 3, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
its also a semi well known fact that
“Only Sith deal in absolutes” – Obi Wan Konobi
"I wish Anthony Pace was my father just so I could claim to be the fruit of his loins."
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
by the-gentle-way on Dec 3, 2010 5:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not so much if you continously use the same word over and over to do so ;)
To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.
Best Comment ever
Verloc.
Disclaimer: Not sober…
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by Drunken cutman on Dec 3, 2010 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
January 27th, 2007 at 1:43pm.
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by Tim Burke on Dec 3, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
It was raining. The greying sky echoed the apathy of his heart since his recent break-up. Little did he know he would meet someone new today.
"Burritos are my life." - BJ Penn
by crazybones on Dec 3, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
LOL
I considered going into such detail as well, but my phone rang so I had to wrap it up quick.
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my phone rang so I had to wrap it up quick
Safe phone sex?
by truck on Dec 3, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
… I believe the Mets beat the Yankees that day on a touchdown by Floyd Mayweather.
Semper Fi
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"BRING GERALD HARRIS BACK TO THE UFC!!!"
by ChicagoMarine on Dec 3, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thats simple
Gsp stood in line to meet him at 1 of jonathan’s book signings
"I wish Anthony Pace was my father just so I could claim to be the fruit of his loins."
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
by the-gentle-way on Dec 3, 2010 12:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 5 recs
Man- I really don’t remember. At the UFC sometime. Before Total MMA came out because I remember promising copies to Shari Spence since Georges is on the cover.
by Jonathan Snowden on Dec 3, 2010 12:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Oh yeah? BJ’s gonna be champion again now that he’s back in WW. You wait ’n see!!
/completely irrelevant BJ post
by KenCanFightBear on Dec 3, 2010 12:24 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Inevitable reply dismissing your claim.
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by VeeisAnimated on Dec 3, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Strawman.
"I'd love to be a Cheick Kongo looking brother that could actually move and do a lot of funky stuff - Jiu Jitsu, takedowns, kicks and stuff." - Jon Jones.
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by outlander78 on Dec 3, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
i second that.
VEE’s argument clearly makes no worthwhile points and I would like to add ……. RABLE rabble rabble!
"I wish Anthony Pace was my father just so I could claim to be the fruit of his loins."
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
by the-gentle-way on Dec 3, 2010 1:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
If anyone hasn’t watched it yet, check out the last aftershow that’s up on Spike’s website. Danaher and Camarillo are both on. If you’re a fan of fight strategy and fight psychology, it’s definitely worth checking out.
Subutai agrees with this statement...
…the revolutionary power of the composite bow.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 3, 2010 12:33 PM EST reply actions
This is the most entertaining comments section I have read. Thanks to the engineers for their self deprecating humor and the quick witted responses from beer monster, truck, and others. Oh yeah, and great article by Jonathan.
by Hardcharger on Dec 3, 2010 12:56 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I would say thank you to your face
but I’d rather type it out =|
by KenCanFightBear on Dec 3, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
The rainbow song was a great touch.
by Hardcharger on Dec 3, 2010 1:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
“After all, this is cage fighting we’re talking about, a sport where the top fighters are often loathsome, mind numbingly dumb, or both” —> Okayyyy…soooo…who are those dumb, loathsome top-fighters? Evans, Machida, Velasquez, Rua, Cotoure, A. Silva, Penn, Edgar, Florian, Fitch… they all don’t strike me as either. I can imagine Maynard not to be nice…Kos is clearly not a great dude, I think Forrest is hiding a dick-persona under a layer of sarcasm but he’s not a top-fighter only top-popular and Brock is certainly playing a bad dude. But…are there really that many fighters that deserve this categorization?
To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.
i pretty sure brock is genuinely is an Asshole.
Did you see how he threw the cop out of his way when he walked to the ring for the Cain fight. Also he has said in interviews he didn’t do Good in or like school. He also said he always knew he would have to use his body more than his mind. So there is one Guy that fits the bill
"I wish Anthony Pace was my father just so I could claim to be the fruit of his loins."
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
by the-gentle-way on Dec 3, 2010 1:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well that would explain why it doesn’t look like he learned any new skills since he started in MMA. Don’t get me wrong, as he’s damn good at what he does, but you need to have a passion for learning and humility about your abilities to become a great MMA fighter.
The sad thing is that many of his fans like him for that personality. The disdain that the masses have for education in general is pretty appalling.
Shoving one guy on the way to a fistfight…I dunno. And the realization that you’re no rocket-scientist is in itself more of a sign of intelligence. Most dumb people do not consider themselves such.
To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.
Rampage isnt gonna win a noble prize in physics any time soon either.
So there’s two.
"I wish Anthony Pace was my father just so I could claim to be the fruit of his loins."
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
by the-gentle-way on Dec 3, 2010 1:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, but again: Rampage has quite a fast wit sometimes (when he isn’t getting stuck in repeating the same quip over and over).
I agree there’s a lot of fighters that are not brillant…but “mind numbingly dumb” was the statement I called into question. To me that applies to…well…Warmachine! Yup…he fits the bill 100%! =)
To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.
And it looks like you won’t be winning a “noble prize” in spelling.
Hey UFC4 go fuck yourself, how about that? Fucking punk, I was just asking for the source that says lesnar gets 5 mill a fight, it’s obvious one does not exist. Bunch of gabronis on a site pulling figures out of your ass.
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by ufc4 on Dec 3, 2010 7:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think Forrest is hiding a dick-persona under a layer of sarcasm
I think Forrest is pretty funny. From reading his books I definitely think he is just a goof who doesn’t always think things through, but he is genuinely humble.
He had a VERY HARD time dealing with the aftermath of the Silva fight. He gave really terrible interview, I stopped caring about the guy for some time.
They see me rollin...
He had a VERY HARD time dealing with the aftermath of the Silva fight
I think that speaks more to his humanity than to his “dick persona”. Dude was genuinely hurt and embarrassed. Can you blame him?
For berating journalists asking completely valid questions about the Silva fight (questions that wouldnt have been necessary had Forrest not fled the cage in embarrassment) by telling them that their mom sucked his dick in the locker room afterwards? Yes, in fact I actually CAN blame him.
omg
Forrest just became my favorite fighter.
“Forrest why did you run away?”
“Your mom was giving out free bj’s in the locker room, I didn’t wanna be late” lmao
That’s great.
"I wish Anthony Pace was my father just so I could claim to be the fruit of his loins."
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
by the-gentle-way on Dec 3, 2010 5:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
p.s.
Why don’t you go home and get your shine box.
"I wish Anthony Pace was my father just so I could claim to be the fruit of his loins."
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
by the-gentle-way on Dec 3, 2010 5:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Am I blaming him for being hurt and embarrassed? Or I am blaming him for poor reactions in interviews? Because as long as I can remember most fighters feel shitty and embarrassed after a loss they don’t all chose to insult the journalist asking the question.
Or do you mean I should disregard it because…you like him? I’m a little confused by what your expecting of me there.
They see me rollin...
I meant can you blame him for being hurt and embarrassed.
People don’t always react well when they are emotional. Sure he messed up, but that doesn’t seem to be the norm for guy. Like him or not. I know I have done some pretty shitty things. Most people have, but hopefully your worst moments aren’t what ultimately defines you.
When was it he fractured that one guys leg just for fun? Was that after the Silva fight as well?
To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.
In his Defense
The dumb ass didn’t even try to check that kick.
If you agree to have a 6’3 225lb pro fighter leg kick you , you better know how to check a kick. Dude had all his weight on it.
also that was possibly the funniest thing i have ever watched on YouTube.
"I wish Anthony Pace was my father just so I could claim to be the fruit of his loins."
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
by the-gentle-way on Dec 3, 2010 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
The guy was a reporter and he clearly made the mistake to believe that Forrest was just a nice guy who was kidding. The only possible excuse for Forrest I see is that he’s been around tough guys so much he was no longer able to assess how hard he was really kicking. But again…I think he was being a dick. He wanted to hurt the guy. Maybe not as badly as he did, but that whole thing was a douche-move, IMO.
To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.
I think Forrest is a little quirky and maybe not that comfortable with lots of attention so he comes off as a jerk sometimes? I have a friend who knew him (not very well) in college and said he was a good guy, pretty quiet, kept to himself mostly – not a guy who craved attention. I do think he is sarcastic but it’s often funny.
I’ve interviewed hundreds of fighters.
by Jonathan Snowden on Dec 3, 2010 2:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, but you wrote specifically about “the top fighters”. That narrows it down a bit, don’t you think? So how about giving out some examples of “mind numbing dumbness”?
To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.
If Forrest is hiding his dick persona he’s not doing a very good job of it.
Hey UFC4 go fuck yourself, how about that? Fucking punk, I was just asking for the source that says lesnar gets 5 mill a fight, it’s obvious one does not exist. Bunch of gabronis on a site pulling figures out of your ass.
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by ufc4 on Dec 3, 2010 7:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Reply fail
That was in response to truck’s sports psychologist comment.
by KenCanFightBear on Dec 3, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
J Snowden is
On to the top PFP best journalist list.

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