Chuck Liddell Retires, Becomes UFC Executive Vice President of Business Development
by Mike Fagan on Dec 29, 2010 6:19 PM EST
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Chuck Liddell retired at today's UFC 125 press conference. Or, rather, Dana White finally succeeded in his efforts to force the former UFC posterchild out of active competition.
Something about the proceedings felt off to me. White, preferring the t-shirt of early-2000s skate-pranksters CKY in lieu of a simple suit and tie, delivered the announcement, not Liddell. And he delivered the announcement as a prelude to an upcoming fight card. The UFC has never shown a flair for pageantry, but this seemed like the kind of announcement that deserved its own separate event instead of being used as a teaser for a routine fight card presser.
Then there was White's attitude. He made the announcement with a Cheshire grin and boyish excitement. He had the look of a man who took great pleasure in beating a group of children in a game of Risk. Contrasted with Liddell, who appeared skittish, emotional, and full of nervous energy at the lectern, White's demeanor came off as unprofessional at best and totally inappropriate for the stature of the announcement.
It's unfortunate that I have to lead into Liddell's retirement talking about Dana White, but I think that says something about White, the UFC brand, and their relationship with the fighters they employ.
I never fell in love with Chuck Liddell. I've never been able to touch on exactly why, though it might have something to do with a naive rejection for anything co-opted by frat boy culture. I've always respected Liddell's love of fighting, though. Some fighters exude fake a love for fighting whether for peer acceptance or personal confidence. It just always seemed genuine with Chuck whether he was walking to the cage, running around screaming in the Octagon, or just watching fights from the crowd.
Now, Chuck's received a cushy desk job in exchange for his fight career. Dana White and Lorenzo Fertitta bestowed the title of "Executive Vice President of Business Development" on him. Fertitta explained that Liddell would be involved in new business and expansion, which sounds an awful lot like an ambassadorship for the UFC.
Liddell retires with an MMA record of 21 wins and 8 losses, with all but 6 of those fights occuring in the UFC's Octagon. He won the UFC light heavyweight title at UFC 52 from Randy Couture and defended the belt 4 times before dropping it to Quinton Jackson at UFC 71. He lost his last fight by knockout to Rich Franklin at UFC 115 in Vancouver, Canada.
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by Cory Braiterman on Dec 29, 2010 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't see the conference but
it appears it’s more evidence that Dana forgets who the stars of the show really are. I can’t decide if this ultimately is good or bad for the UFC. It provides continuity when fighters fade, but at the same time takes the focus off what people really care about.
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Dana knows EXACTLY who the star is.
Who has been built up more than any other personality in the sport? Who is most visible? Who has the greatest social media reach? And who can consistently be whoever they feel like without worrying about winning or losing a fight? Dana White is easily the biggest draw in MMA.
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Yea maybe you're right
While some hate, or at least claim to hate, and discount everything he’s said, White has built up a lot of capital with the average UFC fan and is therefore a very reliable pitchman.
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by Urijah Bieber on Dec 29, 2010 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
So true and so sad.
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by FRANKIE on Dec 30, 2010 1:12 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Dana White is easily the biggest draw in MMA.
Dana White alone would not draw a single PPV buy. He’s the frontman of the product but he’s not the product – a fact he seems all too eager to forget. In a way, his behavior reminds me of the old ECW, where Paul Heyman succeeded in making the workers secondary to the brand itself.
If Dana is really the biggest draw in MMA, imagine a PPV promoted merely as an UFC PPV – without any mention of who’s fighting. Would that still do hundreds of thousands of buys?
Dana White has done very much very good things for UFC the company and the sport of MMA, but his ego has grown even faster. While he loves to act like he’s at least as much of a badass as the fighters, he’s not. Then again, there isn’t much chance we’ll see him tone down his machismo.
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by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Dec 30, 2010 8:01 AM EST up reply actions
The Iceman ALWAYS gets his party on.
They made a video game about Yakuzas. It’s called Yakuza. And it’s about Yakuza
good news.
"Vikings fucked Vikings for generation after generation and their warrior bloodlines were passed on, and this motherfucker living in the woods in Minnesota got the best of the best."
Should have ended with a Randy-Chuck both guys will retire post fight, fight
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by Day Man on Dec 29, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
…or at least Tito-Chuck III with both of them retiring after the match. Seeing Tito leave the Octagon for the last time would’ve been the icing on the cage.
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by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Dec 30, 2010 8:02 AM EST up reply actions
It was time
But it did feel weird… I expected more of the hall of fame inductions kind of feeling.
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I hope this starts a trend
A lot of pro sports teams employ former players as Ambassadors if the UFC offered similar positions to other fighters (Randy Couture and Rich Franklin come to mind as examples) it could improve fighters long term prospects in a number of ways.
Good for Chuck. Hopefully he doesn’t get the itch to fight again in a year or two or three (as is so often the case) and he stays at his desk job AND justifies whatever the UFC pays him in quantitative results. And if not, well hell, just imagine that its the closest thing the UFC will offer as “royalties” for someone.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 29, 2010 6:43 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
LOL. Babalo pulled Big John into the mount!
FTW
by 79guy on Dec 29, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Dammit dude!
Beat me to it. :)
It was fun watching Big John use his Jujitsu.
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by RearNakedChoker on Dec 29, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
It was actually more of...
…Big John using his Jitz to attain mount. Babalu was blindly trying for a single leg thinking it was still Chuck on top of him, and Big J would have none of it. He used to study under the Gracies and almost fought in the first UFC event.
Oh, what could have been. :(
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by RearNakedChoker on Dec 29, 2010 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
I know his history and I think it was UFC 2 be he was Royce’s training partner so they made him the ref.
I recall he would’ve liked to fight at UFC 1, but the Gracies didn’t want anyone stealing Royce’s spotlight. Unless I’m wrong Big John was the third man in the cage already in UFC 1.
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by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Dec 30, 2010 8:03 AM EST up reply actions
Dana said
“he was still working out the coach thing” So it means it’s Lesnar vs Mir then, right? I mean with anybody else, it wouldn’t take this long
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We finally say farewell to the greatest light heavyweight of all time.
"He wants to get in close to use that reach advantage." - Goldie
Shogun is still fighting.
And Wanderlei only moved to middleweight.
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by pdl on Dec 29, 2010 6:49 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Beat me to it.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
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by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 29, 2010 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
Rua can't be the best
as long as Jon Bones lives
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by SheepleBuster on Dec 29, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
Get back to me when Jones beats even a single top ten fighter.
Rua was number one in the weight class three years before Jones was in the sport. You’re either being silly or trolling. Which is a pattern for you.
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by pdl on Dec 29, 2010 7:01 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Michael Phelps was the greatest swimmer in the world before he won a single gold medal.
And then he won a fuckton of them. You don’t think Jones is the best? Tell me who is going to defeat him so I can rub it in your face when he beats whomever you say.
"You stick a microphone in a guy's face and he calls out anybody but the champion, and Joe Silva should fax him a pink slip right then." -- Chael Sonnen.
Exactly
Jon Bones, if he continues to stay humble, will go down as one of the best. I don’t see too many people beating him these days. I give you another example. Nadal was considered the greatest clay courter in the world (over Federer) when he had no titles. Now see where he is.
Rua vs. Bones. I am interested to see how many people actually pick Rua.
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by SheepleBuster on Dec 29, 2010 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
Jones vs. Davis = EXPLOSIONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
Accustomed to mediocrity.
by SSreporters on Dec 29, 2010 7:23 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
now that I can agree with
except, Bones will be fighting Cain soon enough.
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by SheepleBuster on Dec 29, 2010 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
He’d have to get humble before he could stay humble.
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by FRANKIE on Dec 30, 2010 1:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’ll take Lyoto Machida for the block
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Machida would eat Jones' hypothetical children
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Not so much.
Same question to you. Tell me who is going to beat Jones (by anything other than disqualification). Let’s hear some names so you guys can all eat crow as Jones ascends to the top.
"You stick a microphone in a guy's face and he calls out anybody but the champion, and Joe Silva should fax him a pink slip right then." -- Chael Sonnen.
Anyone with better standup
Or someone with a submission game that can yank his arm.
Jones will be fantastic but he’s not top of the good chain yet.
I’ll give you this – Jones is better than Bader.
Accustomed to mediocrity.
Give me a name.
Tell me who will beat Jones.
"You stick a microphone in a guy's face and he calls out anybody but the champion, and Joe Silva should fax him a pink slip right then." -- Chael Sonnen.
No chance
If Shogun’s body could hold up, he’d put up an ok fight against Jones. No way he can take Jones down with all the time away he’s had to take and all his injuries. No. Way.
"You stick a microphone in a guy's face and he calls out anybody but the champion, and Joe Silva should fax him a pink slip right then." -- Chael Sonnen.
I'd say Anderson when he was lighting people up
would beat Bones. Let’s face it. The Anderson who fought Forrest and when motivated is probably the best of both weight classes.
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by SheepleBuster on Dec 29, 2010 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
So Shogun is unbeatable to you then?
I mean I keep hearing Shogun like he is unbeatable just because he KOd Machida. Hm… OK.
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by SheepleBuster on Dec 29, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
Don't put words into my mouth
I think Shogun is beatable but he can beat Jones.
I also think if Jones beats Bader he should get a title shot so we can see the result. Shogun will destroy Rashad and his mediocre gas tank and we’ll get our dream fight to settle it.
Accustomed to mediocrity.
He can or he will?
Brock can beat Fedor. He can or he will. JDS can beat Cain. He can or he will when they fight. There is a difference. And I don’t mean it’s you. Shogun fans write off all his losses and just don’t look at the facts.
If Bones fought Rua 10 times, how would the score be?
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by SheepleBuster on Dec 29, 2010 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
Gonna rag on Shogun fans for writing off losses (which I don't do personally, aside from Lyoto I)
then what do you say about Jones vs. Hammil?
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what about it?
Jones won that fight. The rules are stupid. What are you saying? Jones lost that fight? Even though he almost killed Hamil?
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by SheepleBuster on Dec 29, 2010 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
Just what I thought. Excuses.
Illegal strikes rendered Hammill unable to continue, which results in a DQ loss for Jones. Mental fuckups are still fuckups, and fuckups lose fights.
Unless you think Wes Sims beat Frank Mir the first time too. Which you might, since apparently the rules men agree too when they enter a cage aren’t the one’s they are supposed to follow according to you.
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by pdl on Dec 29, 2010 7:53 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Illegal strikes sure
Hamill had his shoulder broken and even said that to Mazzagatti. If the round ends then the fight is over.
Accustomed to mediocrity.
But Hammill was intelligently defending himself against all legal strikes
until Jones launched an illegal attack which rendered him incapable of continuing. Either way, we’ve hashed this out before. I want to see what the troll has to say about it.
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Still doesn't mean the fight would've continued
And unless Jon Jones had/has a Shane Carwin-like gas tank there’s no way back for Matt.
But a loss is a loss and Jones hopefully will learn. He’s stopped two people with perfectly legal elbows so he must have learned.
Accustomed to mediocrity.
seriously
you are reaching
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by SheepleBuster on Dec 29, 2010 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
Phelps was recording world record times
consistently before entering the Olympics. And even then he wasn’t considered GOAT until he had some gold. Apples and Oranges broheim.
I love Bones, but call me when he has a belt for a while.
I should have satyed out of Cain’s strawberry patch.
Can Jones lose to some people? Yes.
MMA fans are really amusing to me. Guys like Jordan Breen pick Nog to beat Cain. Now call him unbeatable. Same with Jones. He is a bum until he is the champ. Then he is unbeatable and best of all time. I am sorry. I dont live in that world.
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by SheepleBuster on Dec 29, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Forgive MMA fans for not jumping to conclusions over Bone's future
They’ve been bitten in the arse before when predicting the almost certain heady heights guys like Belfort and Kerr would be reaching. In MMA, nothing’s a given. You’ve been watching long enough to understand that.
Jones has to prove himself every-time he fights until he faces, and quite possibly destroys, one of the elite. I’m in awe of Jones’ abilities but with a sport with so many contributing factors, I don’t want to guarantee anything.
by Holls Hoyce on Dec 30, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
I strongly disagree
Can he get subbed? Yes. But he is improving so fast. Do you honestly think his trainers are not teaching him not to make these mistakes again? Seriously?
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by SheepleBuster on Dec 29, 2010 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
People, please take this comment at VERY FACE VALUE AND DO NOT START A POLITICAL DEBATE OUT OF IT!
Jon Jones is the Barack Obama of MMA. People are already calling Jones a GOAT fighter when his only top 20 win is Brandon Vera. Obama got a Nobel Peace Prize before actually making any policy decisions.
There may be great substance to Jones in the future, but people need to chill the fuck out and be real about who and what he is right now.
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by pdl on Dec 29, 2010 7:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This.
Jones is the best prospect at 205 (better than Davis, IMO) and he’s a fringe contender. He beats Bader and he’ll be a contender contender.
I have great hopes for Jones as he improves but for now he’s not some amazing god.
Accustomed to mediocrity.
He is a prospect?
He is one or two wins away from a title shot according to Dana
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by SheepleBuster on Dec 29, 2010 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
how can he be a contender
if anybody with a submission or good standup can beat him? Did you just say something like that above? I mean I guess I have a different definition for a contender than you do.
Here is what you said
Anyone with better standup
Or someone with a submission game that can yank his arm.
Jones will be fantastic but he’s not top of the good chain yet.
That’s simply not true. MMA is not math.
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by SheepleBuster on Dec 29, 2010 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
You need to watch his fights again.
He is pulling off throws against accomplished wrestlers who should not get thrown. He broke Vera’s face. Broke it. He ruined Hamill’s shoulder. Ruined it.
"You stick a microphone in a guy's face and he calls out anybody but the champion, and Joe Silva should fax him a pink slip right then." -- Chael Sonnen.
The competition he's beaten is good
And yes he beat Hamill. If Jones doesn’t stupidly land the 2 illegal elbows and the round ends then Matt Hamill loses because there is absolutely no way they would risk Hamill fighting with a broken shoulder for longer.
Let’s wait until he beats someone top 10 (which I guess is Bader) and then bust a nut over him.
Accustomed to mediocrity.
No, because Bader is unaccomplished too
So when Jones beats him we’ll hear the same shit — “Well, Bader didn’t really beat anyone either, so Jones still hasn’t proved anything to us.”
"You stick a microphone in a guy's face and he calls out anybody but the champion, and Joe Silva should fax him a pink slip right then." -- Chael Sonnen.
Bader just beat Lil Nog (through his usual boring fashion)
So people can’t use that excuse anymore.
Accustomed to mediocrity.
Lil Nog was never as good as Big Nog
Lot of hype but everyone I know picked Bader to win that fight.
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by SheepleBuster on Dec 29, 2010 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
"Lil Nog is past his prime"
He’s on the way down. Not impressive anymore. He hasn’t faced anyone good in ages. I mean, his next fight is Tito for fuck’s sake. See? SEE? Jones still will not have beaten a top 5 guy after he annihilates Bader.
"You stick a microphone in a guy's face and he calls out anybody but the champion, and Joe Silva should fax him a pink slip right then." -- Chael Sonnen.
No, he won't have.
Because Bader is number 6. Hard to claim a top five win when you don’t beat anybody in the top five, pal.
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Right, exactly my point.
So as far as you guys are concerned, the champion is always the best fighter in the weight class. So Brock Lesnar was the best heavyweight until Velasquez beat him. WRONG.
"You stick a microphone in a guy's face and he calls out anybody but the champion, and Joe Silva should fax him a pink slip right then." -- Chael Sonnen.
Uhhhh yes. Brock was the best heavyweight
He beat better competition than Cain. Brock lost. Cain is now #1.
Frankie Edgar is the #1 LW in the world now that he’s beaten Penn twice.
The only exception I can think of is Serra/GSP because that was a colossal upset, and then GSP went on to smash Serra anyway.
Accustomed to mediocrity.
So Edgar is better than Maynard
Even though he lost to Maynard and Maynard is undefeated. Because by happenstance Edgar got the first title shot.
Rankings and belts are not the objective metaphysical truth, my friend.
"You stick a microphone in a guy's face and he calls out anybody but the champion, and Joe Silva should fax him a pink slip right then." -- Chael Sonnen.
To be fair, the 2 BJ wins were pretty big
If you’re gonna beat anyone to prove you’re the best, a win over BJ is about as good as you can get. Way better than a win over Brock, say.
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by chasethegoose on Dec 29, 2010 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
OK So that's a yes
Since Edgar’s only loss is to the undefeated Maynard, Edgar is better than Maynard because Edgar also beat Penn.
Logic. Try it.
"You stick a microphone in a guy's face and he calls out anybody but the champion, and Joe Silva should fax him a pink slip right then." -- Chael Sonnen.
Ok so if you lost to me in a summer swim team heat, but went on to improve and beat Michael Phelps, I do not believe I would leap frog Michael Phelps as well. You have to look at the fights in context. Fighters are not static beings. They grow and develop. They go through slumps and sometimes their styles become outdated. You are looking at this in much too simplistic a fashion.
by castleeb on Dec 30, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
So it's not fair for me to say that Shogun is a greater LHW historically
than the guy with exactly one top 20 victory because… what? You think Jones is the messiah of MMA based on his 3 year career, featuring several builder fights?
Shogun has accomplished in his career. He won the Pride 2005 GP and the UFC title in 2010, arguably 2009 if judges weren’t awful. Jones has beaten Brandon Vera coming off a loss and Vladimir Matyushenko who was last relevant when he fought Tito Ortiz for the title in 2001.
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You don’t understand, Jon Jones has shown he has a great chin…oh wait, I mean hes shown he can beat a fighter skilled in submissions…oh wait, I mean a fighter with K.O. power…oh wait.
"You should work for 15 minutes to knock your opponent out, submit him, or improve your position to give yourself the best chance of doing either." - Dan Hardy
No...
Rua has the better resume. He has accomplished more. No doubt. But Jones would beat his ass.
"You stick a microphone in a guy's face and he calls out anybody but the champion, and Joe Silva should fax him a pink slip right then." -- Chael Sonnen.
You've tempered your prospect love noticeably. (=
I have more faith in Davis than Jones. Jones can be seen partying after events and some have told me he’s got a head about him, making him difficult to work with. I still question Jones’ cardio, mental game, striking, and think that his weight cut will only get more difficult. He’s also working at Jackson’s, which may be good for getting his head straight, but we’ve seen what they do with unconventional (read: bad) striking… see Keith Jardine and Leonard Garcia’s improvements in defense and fundamentals.
Davis has decent fundamental boxing and Coach Billy is teaching him how to kick pretty fucking well on top of his very sound standing defense. Add in that he’s a gym rat who learns like a sponge and does not suffer distractions… he’s my blue chipper right now.
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I don't think Jones will stay at 205
The son of a bitch has brothers even bigger than him. No way he doesn’t fill out.
Accustomed to mediocrity.
Like many, you do not properly understand the history of the
Nobel Peace Prize nor the reasons for which it is bestowed and that is all I will say. In MMA, Jon Jones cannot beat a healthy Shogun Rua today — I agree. But I fear that Shogun’s knees, like Glenn Frey, are already gone, and he will no longer possess the quickness or devastating Muy Thai to threaten someone like Rashad, much less a monster like Jones.
by Charlie Custer on Dec 29, 2010 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
Eagles reference?
wow.
Walter Cronkite wasn’t known as Kid Cronk for a fucking reason.
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 29, 2010 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
So you're saying...
Jon Jones wasn’t born in the US?
Too bad he won’t do it with an overhand right to the face.
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by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Dec 30, 2010 8:04 AM EST up reply actions
Granted, sports media is different than most others,
but it is not uncommon at all for the Pres/ CEO/ GM of a company to make an announcement at a staff meeting, or send a mass email, that announces someone taking a promotion with the company, or someone being transferred, or someone stepping down.
We’ve all seen it a hundred times before… “John Smith is stepping down from his Sales Manager position, and will be working part time as a consultant moving forward. We thank John for his years of service, and are excited to have him stay on in a consulting role.” Or something like that.
I think people are reading too much into this
Dana White’s never been known to have a sense of occasion for anything that deserves reverence. The announcement was reasonable in impact and delivery. I was wondering more if Chuck Liddell would come out in a suit after being introduced rather than Dana White. Not to mention we don’t know how hot in Vegas it is – air conditioning aside – and we just see guys who are comfortable rather than sweat it out for the sake of an image only certain types expect of them.
Of course the cynic in me recognises the major announcement and Chuck Liddell helped bring attention to a card with a main event that in my opinion has been undeservedly panned, at least to the extent it has.
It's clear why Dana White is smiling.
Now that Chuck’s retired, Dana White doesn’t have to worry about cutting him in fear of the Iceman fighting in a different promotion.
People can say up and down that Chuck wouldn’t do that to Dana with all their history together, but fighters aren’t good at staying retired. It wouldn’t be too far fetched to see Chuck doing the occasional bout in Japan, or God Forbid, a stint in Strikeforce. Now that he’s stuck to a desk job, that’s one issue that’s been put to rest.
Well, more like taken out to the back and shot.
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by McKinley B. Noble on Dec 29, 2010 7:10 PM EST reply actions
It is kind of unfortunate that you have to lead
off your piece talking about Dana White. And — no offense at all — but it may say at least a little about you as well. As for White and the UFC’s relationship with the fighters they employ? Would you want Chuck Liddell to be the “executive vice-president of business development” of YOUR company? I see this as an example of the UFC taking care of an old lion and attempting to keep him from getting torn apart by hyenas. White’s demeanor, his style, all of the rest of it…why is it always the story? I submit that he’s not solely to blame for this phenomenon.
by Charlie Custer on Dec 29, 2010 7:15 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
So
who is the president?
"Brock Lesnar's NCAA record 8 years removed is absolutely relevant. Alistair Overeem winning the K-1 World Grand Prix in 2010? A total Non sequitur that isn't worth debate."
didn't he give it to Clinton at that Press Conference? ;)
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by SheepleBuster on Dec 29, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Dana White.
You cant stop him, you can only hope to contain him. -- Random Person
Another one bits the dust. -- Myself
by Tokyo Sandblaster on Dec 29, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
He had the look of a man who took great pleasure in beating he put on a group of children in a game of Risk.
Does this not make sense to anyone else?
"The only freakshow's the one in my pants"
-James Toney
Risk is a pretty awesome game, it usually ended with someone knocking the board off the table when the troops were like 100 in Kamchatka and some other dickbag walled up in Australia.
I'm usually
That dick bag in Aussie
by Bloodsport on Dec 30, 2010 10:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Me too, whenever I get the chance. Usually someone else is faster.
I don't know much - but I know that I don't.
by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Dec 31, 2010 5:30 AM EST up reply actions
Much better title than Dana White’s original proposal of Liddell becoming the Director of Fun.
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Great career for Chuck, glad he is not going to fight again, I hate seeing him get KO’ed even though he is not my fav fighter or anything, he is a good guy and a father most importantly, he’s got to keep that brain in check so he can live a good life in the future.
Plus he has an accounting degree so he might actually be suited for this position moreso than fighting at this point in his life.
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