Phil Baroni on Knockouts, Bad Luck, and the Power of Twitter
Had things worked out differently, he might have been one of the biggest stars in the sport. Instead of being unrecognized as he stops for a coffee days before a fight in Las Vegas, he might have been mobbed by fans. If it wasn't for bad luck, Phil Baroni would have no luck at all.
"The UFC released me just as they got on SPIKE. I think if people had seen me, seen fights like the one with (PRIDE star Ikuhisa) Minowa, I would be a really popular and big name fighter," Baroni told Bloody Elbow in an exclusive interview. "But unfortunately I was always in the wrong place at the wrong time. When PRIDE was at its best, I was in the UFC. When the UFC blew up and PRIDE was crumbling, guess where I was? I was in the wrong place at the wrong time."
Baroni was on the ground floor with Zuffa, one of the knockout machines Dana White loved when he and the Fertitta brothers first purchased the company at the turn of the century. His speed and power awed fans when he blasted former middleweight champion Dave Menne again and again as Menne slumped against the cage.
"I remember hitting him with a right hand and seeing him stagger against the cage. I remember thinking that was my opportunity - that I could be somebody in this sport," Baroni said. "To beat Dave Menne who had been a former champion and had won that tournament in Kuwait, I can really make my mark and have a future. At that moment all that was going through my mind. I just let my hands go and unleashed all the power and speed I had on him. To get what I wanted so bad. To be somebody."
It made his name. For years the clip was a staple of any UFC highlight reel. No one who saw it would forget the vicious power - or the passionate celebration that followed, the claims of being "the Best Ever!" As great as the knockout was, it also had a dark side. It helped turn a well rounded fighter into a head hunter, making it easier for opponents to game plan for a Baroni fight. Despite being a college wrestler at Hofstra and Central Michigan and a former North American Grappling Association tournament winner, Baroni threw out the ground game entirely to concentrate on the KO.
"Unfortunately, I got caught up in the knockout game after I knocked out Dave Menne," Baroni admits. "It was a great fight for me, but it was almost a double edged sword. After I won that fight I was trying to be the Mike Tyson of MMA and just knock out everybody. I tried to replicate that knockout over and over again. But you can't force it. You have to just let it happen."
It was a lesson Baroni learned the hard way. He struggled after the Menne bout, losing four in a row and was sent packing. He landed on his feet in PRIDE, having good success against Japanese icons like Minowa and Yuki Kondo. Then PRIDE was gone and Baroni was wandering. For the last four years, Baroni has drifted, finally returning home last year for a fight with Amir Saddolah. Unlike other UFC icons of days gone by, Baroni has a good relationship with White and UFC matchmaker Joe Silva. Everyone remembers the good times and were happy to give the "New York Bad Ass" a second chance at success.
"I go back with those guys a long time," Baroni said. "I don't get to talk to them as much anymore because they are busy, traveling around the world and doing great things. Joe Silva was my good friend. I'd drive him around because he didn't have a car. We'd go to find him comic books and he'd take me out to lunch at The Cheesecake Factory. It was cool. I'd go to Joe's office and watch tapes and it was like a soundtrack to the world. Back then the tapes were in different languages. We'd watch fights from Brazil and they'd be in Portuguese. We'd watch fights from Japan like Pancrase and SHOOTO and it was cool. I got to be real tight with those guys. Dana, when I tore my back and was out for almost a year, he took me to Hawaii for the first time. Those guys were good to me. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to win for them and it's a business. But I plan on winning now and getting back into the Zuffa family. I got to know these guys back then when they started and I'm proud of them. I want to be a part of what they are doing today."
Baroni was a polarizing figure during his first UFC run, a hero to some, but to most the big mouthed villain. Part of that was an act, part of that the product of being a hot headed kid from New York. In his latest flirtation with fame, Baroni has reinvented himself with the power of Twitter. He shares a lot with his fans, talking about what's going on in his life and offering plenty of self help and motivational tidbits. It's hard to recognize the man who once smacked referee Larry Landless in the cage. Baroni, it turns out, is much more than a caricature.
"I found Twitter through my friend Joey Odessa. I was in Hawaii staying at T.J. Thompson's house and I had just lost to Amir Sadollah. I was like 'man, I'm f**king done dude.' This guy Odessa who used to do the odds for the UFC shows, he's a cool guy, and he told me I needed to share this stuff. I would be a hit on Twitter," Baroni said. "People say I'm different on Twitter, but I'm the same as in life. I'm trying to change and be a better person. It's not good being miserable, being down and looking at the bad side of things. I'm trying to be a different person...I have a better outlook on life."
A believer in the "Pay it Forward" principle, Phil has harnessed the good vibes he's created on the internet and used it to his advantage. He launched a Twitter campaign to get his fight Saturday with Brad Tavares on the air. Dana White yielded to the legions of Baroni fans. Former WEC Featherweight champion Mike Brown will remain on the untelevised undercard. Baroni and Tavares will take a slot on national television. It couldn't have happened without Twitter.
"I send all that positivity out there, hoping it would come back to me. And it does. The fans will write and say 'That quote made me feel better.' And it works. It came back, like The Secret," Baroni said. "Dana White called me today, texted me to say they were putting my fight on ION TV. Then he called me. 'People are asking for you. The fans still care about you.' Now I just need to prove to the world that I can still fight. I can and I want to do it in the UFC."
Baroni takes on Brad Tavares at UFC 125, live on ION Television. Join us later this week as we take a look back at two of his most memorable fights, legendary battles with Matt Lindland and Ikuhisa Minowa.
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There is a lot more positivity on Twitter.
Internet message board/forum fans do nothing but talk shit about Dana. Twitter followers are the opposite. It’s no surprise that Dana is more attentive to one group than the other. You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.
More positivity?
Well, I’m not so sure about that, but it is a definite filter. Ranting about Dana White on the Internet or the UG is one thing, but Twitter is more direct. Plus, Twitter has the awesome ability to forever block people you don’t need/want to hear from.
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by McKinley B. Noble on Dec 29, 2010 1:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm sure Dana's @ replies are filled with harrassment too.
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Seriously
I love Baroni but Brown can’t buy a break.
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HELP! WHERE ARE THE 125 PRELIMS GOING TO AIR?
I’m in Calgary and supposedly the prelims are to going to be on Rogers Sportsnet but according to the Rogers website schedule and my listing guide on the tv I can’t find it anywhere.
Any ideas anybody?
on sportsnet east
All the GSP bashers, will be ordering a huge bowl of his nuts, ten seconds after Belfort knocks Andy out cold!!!
by TheAntiBritishTinCanHypeMachine on Dec 29, 2010 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
baroni vs amar suloev is one of my fav fights
he also had some pretty awesome war with Tanner..
I hope the UFC does not cut him if he loses
I'd rather watch MTB fight.
This fight for the fish is a fight to the death!
by doonerthesooner on Dec 29, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
I agree. A spot on the Spike Prelims would have gone a long way for Baroni. Still, he has a chance to garner some interest with a win here on New Years.
by mizunopro on Dec 29, 2010 1:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I had respect for Baroni
until he mentioned The Secret.
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Walter Cronkite wasn’t known as Kid Cronk for a fucking reason.
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 29, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
That was the best interview eva
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by mburtoni on Dec 29, 2010 12:11 PM EST via mobile reply actions
HAHAHA
made me laugh.
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Somebody...
is gonna be doing the Stanky Leg…

by Rrice on Dec 29, 2010 12:13 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
yeah....
hes been criticized for it recently too… who was it that called him out and said Joe Silva is Baroni’s brother or something like that? I dont know…
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snap!!! Youre right. It was Wand. My fault.
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J/w how on earth you confused Wand and Baroni?
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by Tokyo Sandblaster on Dec 29, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
Great read.
Well, anybody who knows me knows I'm no fan of dictionaries or reference books. They're elitist. Constantly telling us what is or isn't true. Or what did or didn't happen.
agreed....
Although Baroni has had bad luck as of late I still would prefer to watch him then a lot of others. Hes like Guida when he was going through his tough losses…. I still wanted to watch Clay despite.
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Apples and oranges.
Clay Guida, even on his worst streak, was never batting almost .500.
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by McKinley B. Noble on Dec 29, 2010 1:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i wanna see mike brown on the prelims
i honestly couldnt care less about baroni
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Why the hell is Mike Brown on the prelims?
He is a former WEC featherweight champ, beat Urijah Faber twice, successfully defended his belt, currently ranked as the number three featherweight in the world by Sherdog, and out of twenty-four wins he has only six decisions. He belongs on the main card for sure.
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by nerdVictory on Dec 29, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
So you're saying he doesn't mind whether or not he is on the main card?
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by nerdVictory on Dec 29, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Brown wasn’t even on the WEC’s main card anymore. No one seems to care.
by Jonathan Snowden on Dec 29, 2010 1:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Can somebody explain why that is to me?
Is it just residual Manny hate?
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Nunes is a young prospect who is 4-1 in the WEC and has gotten zero airtime in two years with the promotion.
Now he’s untelevised in the biggest fight of his career against a former champion and top 5 ranked fighter. I think this fight matters a little more than Baroni vs. Anybody or Stephens coming off a loss against Davis coming off a loss and making his 155 debut.
You’re right, those fights are more marketable to casuals and I understand why it is the way it is. But that doesn’t mean I have to like it or that I can’t complain anyways.
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by Tokyo Sandblaster on Dec 29, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
“because I can’t sing and I can’t dance, and it beats fucking working for a living”
AMEN. NYBA 4 LIFE.
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by Austin Martin on Dec 29, 2010 12:46 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Sorry
But when you proclaim yourself the best ever, call yourself the NY Bad Ass, then get popped for juice and lose a shitload of fights because you buy into your own hype…that’s not bad luck. That’s karma.
BOOSH
What else was the issue?
Did Baroni just start taking his opponents too lightly or what? It would be one thing if he showed up to his fights out of shape or cocky. I’m just trying to wrap my head around the fact that he still fights for the UFC with a 13-12 record.
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by McKinley B. Noble on Dec 29, 2010 1:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Because he’s awesome. Mike Brown is a fine fighter but he can’t generate interest like Phil can.
by Jonathan Snowden on Dec 29, 2010 1:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Because he’s
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BOOSH
No, he’s awesome in every way. A landmark figure in promoting fights, just a tremendous entertainer. Plus, when he wanted to be his game was surprisingly diverse.
by Jonathan Snowden on Dec 29, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
His Joe Riggs fight in SF actually showed a lot of his grappling
he lost, but I was still pretty impressed
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by Austin Martin on Dec 29, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
A lot of those Hammer House guys had terrible cardio, too
Walter Cronkite wasn’t known as Kid Cronk for a fucking reason.
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 29, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
Some of that with Phil was a little unfair. He would gas, yes, but only after fighting at a really fast pace for a stretch.
God.
If you’d told me five years ago I would be supporting Phil Baroni in a fight I’d have slapped you silly.
by Jonathan Snowden on Dec 29, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
That’s true, I suppose. It just seemed like in those Pride fights Coleman and Randleman especially would start heaving for air after about 3 minutes.
With Baroni it’s a bit of underdog syndrome. For shit’s sake, he made Frank Shamrock look good like 2 years ago.
Walter Cronkite wasn’t known as Kid Cronk for a fucking reason.
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 29, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
Hammerhouse gassing all the time
had more to do with the amount of muscle mass they would bring into the fight, and the fact that Hammerhouse was a punching bag on Colemans porch
I enjoy his character
But let’s be honest here. Amir Sadollah used his face as a heavy bag for most of their fight after he gassed out in the first. He may get past Tavares somehow, but I don’t really see him ever being a factor at either MW or WW. That being said, I love a cinderella story, and seeing Baroni magically re-emerge as a contender would be very cool.
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by mburtoni on Dec 29, 2010 12:53 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I don’t really see him ever being a factor at either MW or WW
Why should that matter?
There are plenty of guys on the roster who are never going to be a factor in the title picture. Hell, the vast majority of the roster will never come anywhere near the title. Phil is an entertaining gatekeeper. Every promoter needs a few of those on their roster.
Rrice like to see Baroni fight...
Sexyama…it would be the sexiest fight of the year…
Thanks Jonathan
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“I send all that positivity out there, hoping it would come back to me. And it does. The fans will write and say ‘That quote made me feel better.’ And it works. It came back, like The Secret,” Baroni said. "Dana White called me today, texted me to say they were putting my fight on ION TV.
You’d probably have better viewership on youtube felony fights. But HEY! Stay hopeful.
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"I tried to replicate that knockout over and over again. But you can't force it. You have to just let it happen."
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