S. C. Michaelson, stop defining me!

Also: let’s get back to talking about MMA.

I’m white/British, and I’ve never found any S.C. Michaelson post offensive. Whilst my joining date is relatively new, i’ve been lurking for a couple of years and I do find that, as loathe as I am to say it, this may be an anti-ABL post (groan!). Chael Sonnen was being offensively racist, and S.C. was, to my opinion, summing up the knee-jerk reaction of many fans, but not the thought out, intellectual opinion of the majority of fans. Trouble is, when many fans get together, the most simplistic opinion tends to rule.

before SCM had a fanpost dedicated to him. Not gonna be the last, either.

You missed the point of his fan post, probably because you’re wacist!

Most of them will be from the ABL crew, others will be from angry YSWSCMs.

My name rings bells apparently.

I don’t agree entirely with S.C.’s post, but he says clearly that he is talking about the minority of fans.

Why you poor fellows are so hung up on other people’s opinions is beyond me. I could write a fanpost about all the people who have their “sweep it under the rug” approach to anything remotally offensive or bigoted because they’re in denial that these issues make them more sensitive than they’d like to believe, but honestly it just doesn’t matter enough to me (plus I’m hella lazy).

I mean honestly, are you worried that you might be slowly becoming what these people are claiming you might be? Is it turning you into some sort of were-racist? As soon as a sensitive topic pops up on BE does all you your hair fall out and a swastika materialize on your chest now? No, then don’t worry about it. At the end of the day you just have to learn to tune certain shit out, otherwise you’re going to be fretting over something that doesn’t matter. The thing is though these issue dop matter, and I’m sorry to tell you but it’s the debates that surround them (inflammatory or not) that get people talking and gets people moving towards having a better understanding of the situation and actually doing something progressive about it. These people may have their unfair speculations but hey, you can either convince them otherwise or don’t waste any time on them anymore.

There was no reason to put S.C.‘s name in this title specifically other than because you knew it would automatically rile certain people up and get them on some ABL trip right away. S.C. isn’t writing all these articles or bringing this shit up everywhere he goes, he just pops in and gives his opinion and so then the usual crowd has to show up and take some kind of issue with it. Sometimes people are going to have strong opinions that may not jive with what you’re saying but that’s life buddy. Just learn to turn the other cheek and expect for the universe to balance itself out eventually.

BTW, Rec’d (because of the sweet irony).

LALALALALALALALA

I think a Great Cleansing is in order.

and is being racist himself.

Chael’s fanbase is decidedly YSWSCM (Young Straight White Single Christian Men), the same people that permeate the comments section on Youtube or random newspaper articles where you see racially and culturally insensitive remarks. To many of them, Chael is the guy who gets away with it. He gets to talk the shit they can only do on the internet for fear of (rightful) reprisal in the real world. These are the same YSWSCM that defend the use of slurs by various parties and can’t understand (or willingly ignore) why people would/could get offended by them.

I don’t appreciate the racial generalizations, however I have noticed that they usually come with a disclosure that the writer knows not everyone feels that certain way about the issue at hand. Usually I am on the outside of these generalizations and do need to read the disclosure . Else I’m feeling annoyed that I’ve been lumped into some group that doesn’t seem anything like me.
I prefer individualism as opposed to generalizations. Given a chance most ppl I encounter are savvy and are capable of forming their own opinions beliefs and values. Generalizations just don’t work that well where I come from. Everyone is different, I would expect people to have a wide range of opinions and thoughts. I don’t view my opinions as gospel as I would hope others don’t view S.C’s in that way. Even though I find some generalizations offensive I would never ask people to stop sharing their opinion.
 Ideally I am given facts and a chance to form my own opinion , not lumped into some mass racial generalization. But they are just words that only have value if I chose to pay attention to them. And usually I don’t. So they mean nothing at all.

The only reason I don’t like Black Lesnar is because he LOVES acronyms. I don’t much care for acronyms.

Summed up my thoughts exactly. I don’t come here to read generalizations on how we’re all angry, racist white people. The issue of race on these boards has become the equivalent of beating a dead horse. Let it go.

All of these comments and nobody calls out the fact that he uses Krazy Horse as his example for his “I don’t see color. I see fighters” whitewash in his fanpost.

Krazy Horse is aggressively black… wholly living in an almost farcical realm of the worst race-related stereotypes possible.

To not recognize his race just means you lack any ability to observe entirely… and probably shouldn’t be writing half-baked, baiting fanposts.

That said, when I watch Soul Plane… I don’t see color. I see actors…

I thought it was about Wrestling and was ready to rec the hell out of everyone. But I happen to agree on that matter…fuck.

Is this thread about racism in MMA or about a few posters issues with each other?

Personally, I’m sick of both, but at least racism is an important issue we should be discussing.

That said, I think it needs to be done responsibly and without hurling personal accusations. I’m sorry, but BE is no place to accuse each other of racism and we should be proud that it is a place to expose companies like HR, Silverstar and individuals like Sonnen, who are guilty of ignorance at the minimum.

Saying you didn’t know what the symbols meant, is no excuse. Educate yourself. And if it gets pointed out on a place like BE, support that and help get the situation corrected. The last thing we need is a bunch of unaware MMA fans wearing Nazi symbolism around in front of people who DO know what it stands for. This is how misperception starts.

Now, I’m not saying we have to beat the horse to death, but acting as if it isn’t an issue at all, would be the most wrong thing we could do.

If this isn’t you, don’t take it personally. When SC says things like white suburbia, I don’t get offended. We have to be able to talk about things and realize when things are said for humor and not in hateful speech. Now that doesn’t excuse everything that could be said, but we have to be able to differentiate and know what lines shouldn’t be crossed.

Now, you guys fighting about this and who posts what, may I suggest that you guys kiss and make up? Or would that be to homophobic, lol.

because that’s some bullshit