Dan Hardy vs. Anthony Johnson in the Works for March UFC Event
by Nick Thomas on Dec 26, 2010 4:01 PM EST
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According to MMA Fighting:
Welterweights Dan Hardy and Anthony Johnson have verbally agreed to square off in March, MMA Fighting has learned from sources close to the fight.
The front-runner event to host the bout is Ultimate Fight Night 24 on March 30. Although not officially announced by the organization, that card is expected to take place in Seattle, Wash. The UFC is also expected to hold events on March 3 and March 19.
Dan "The Outlaw" Hardy (23-8)
Loss Carlos Condit - KO (Punch) UFC 120
Loss Georges St. Pierre - Decision (Unanimous) UFC 111
Win Mike Swick - Decision (Unanimous) UFC 105
Anthony "Rumble" Johnson (8-3)
Loss Josh Koscheck - Submission (Rear-Naked Choke) UFC 106
Win Yoshiyuki Yoshida - TKO (Punches) UFC 104
Win Luigi Fioravanti - TKO (Punches) UFC FN 17
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I wonder if 3 months is enough time for aj to lose 200 pounds?
by #1 piggy on Dec 26, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Jokes about his size aside, that might not be a bad idea. His manager commented on how absolutely massive he is when he walks around. Dolce seemed to help Alves cut weight without hurting himself too much. Dolce might be just what he needs
by disinferno06 on Dec 26, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
agreed
Dolce seemed like more of a coach/trainer when he was on tuf
by F'n Clownshoes on Dec 26, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
He's really just a dietician
probably the best one in MMA.
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
There are Olympic athlete who cut ungodly amounts
40 pounds in a week or two. Then they put 25-30 of it back on after weigh-ins.
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
To your knowlegde
You gotta do more research before you just say things.
Google is your friend.
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
Can it be done? Yes. Should it be done? Noooooo
Doing something like that will just ravage your body. Not much point either given how much it will probably affect you come match/fight whatever time.
by dreamers_12345 on Dec 26, 2010 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
Certainly not if you want to last 3 rounds of a fight.
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by ChicagoMarine on Dec 26, 2010 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
Its high tech shit
There’s a lot of weight restricted sports where cardio isn’t an issue. Like weight lifting. These guys cut weight like NASA builds spacecraft. They know the exact amount they can cut and still perform. They do a bunch of practice cuts to get their bodies used to it. The real kicker is the rehydration and refueling process. They use IV full of high tech glucose solutions that carb load and swell the body while rehydrating. That’s how Gleison Tibau makes 155 then fights at 183 the next night.
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by The Lethal Haze on Dec 26, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
I have no knowledge of this guy but I remember another poster had posted this link from a LONG time ago and I had always kept it bookmarked. Is he a shamster?
by disinferno06 on Dec 26, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
Unambiguosly
yes. Snake oil salesman of the lowest order.
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by The Lethal Haze on Dec 26, 2010 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
He's reminds me
of Jordan Chase.
The guy is full of shit. But the one area he does actually talk candidly about is sports/nutrition.
But yes, he’s a fucking slime ball. But I’ve read the same info scattered in other more respectable places.
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
the one area he does actually talk candidly about is sports/nutrition.
Negative.
Check his posts on “How I gained 20 lbs of muscle in one month” or “I became a champion of some obscure chinese martial arts tournament without ever training the art” for a full illustration of why you should never trust them man about anything ever, particularly sports/nutrition.
The ONLY thing of note the guy has to talk about is marketing yourself, and thats only if you are willing to sell your soul to the devil for it.
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by The Lethal Haze on Dec 26, 2010 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
On a side note
I put on about 12-13 pounds since late October without raising my body fat%.
Never thought it was possible but I really dedicated myself to eating and training. Drinking about 1/2 gallon of milk a day. Sometimes more.
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
I assume you didn't go on a crash diet beforehand
aimed at losing as much weight as possible so that you could post about it afterward on a blog.
Thats what makes Ferriss a douche, and you, the opposite of a douche.
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by The Lethal Haze on Dec 26, 2010 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
After really reading his blog posts
The dude is a legit sociopath. If he believes half of the shit he says, I’d be surprised.
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
That is absolutely what they do
GSP cuts 22-25 pounds over the 24 hours prior to weigh-in.
True weight cutting (i.e. dehydration/rehydration) entails dropping the weight starting about 24 hours prior to weigh-in and immediately putting it back on.
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by The American Ronin on Dec 27, 2010 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
Sure
If they don’t mind dying.
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by Derek Suboticki on Dec 26, 2010 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
I hear Christian Bale lost a ton of weight with
Diet Coke diet. Maybe that can help Anthony. Or he could just move to heavyweight
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by SheepleBuster on Dec 26, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
And coffee. It was for the Machinist I believe. Also lost a bunch of weight for The Fighter.
by TMadeBurner on Dec 27, 2010 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
What the hell does Rumble cut from?
I swear I remember his manager saying he walks around at over 200 pounds with abs. He cuts so much weight he sweats out the entire middleweight division
He's over 220 when he's cut
all fat like that, he’s gotta be 240-250.
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
No freakin way he’s 240-250
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I smell a troll.. TheFilt that is. If I remember correctly Rumble said he was up to 220 at that time period when that picture from Inside MMA is from. While injured and so on.
by Horselover Fat on Dec 26, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
Why would I troll something so dumb.
Think what you like, someone on this board has a pic with him where he’s way fatter than this picture. He’s blown up quite a bit since that show.
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
He's also 6'1" or so
gaining 20 or 30lbs in that crazy at all.
Rashad said himself that Rumble is way bigger than him.
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
Bigger could mean lots of things. Rashad himself is a fairly small guy so Rumble being bigger than him isn’t earth shattering
by disinferno06 on Dec 26, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
Rashad's a small 205'er,
but I get your point.
I’m trying to find it, but there’s a picture on BE of a fan with Rumble a few months back. Probably May or so, and he’s way fatter. The poster said Rumble told him he was about 240. It wasn’t some random dude either, it was a regular commenter.
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
This doesn't really prove much but i tried
I saw him recently and talked to him
I could not believe it. He said he weighed 242 and he still looked cut and trim. He will not see 170 again without visiting death or the hospital. In fact, has anyone gone from 242 to 185?
by SimplePsych on Jun 5, 2010 9:36 AM PDT
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
Alright, I guess my troll radar was off, just thought your initial comments in the thread were a bit strange. Sorry!
by Horselover Fat on Dec 27, 2010 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
NO NO and NO.
At his worse he was 230. Normally he is around 210-215ish as per him at the UFC 100 fan expo.
"I’m anti-stalling, not anti-wrestling." - lowellthehammer
That's not too far from 240
You have the added benefit of actually seeing him, so I’ll take your word for it.
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
It’s just baby fat
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Or a fat baby.
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by Earl Montclair on Dec 26, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
if "Rumble" can make weight this could be a fun fight.
am i crazy or did I hear he was moving to 185?
If Rumble makes weight, Hardy could be in trouble
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As a Hardy fan, let me be the first to say
Goddamn I hope he keeps his hands up this time out.
OHHHHH! OH MY GOODNESS DID YOU SEE THAT?! He ran up the wall like a ninja and landed a high kick! Unbelievable! I've never seen anything like that, it's like something out of a movie!
by lowellthehammer on Dec 26, 2010 4:13 PM EST reply actions 10 recs
you are saying that like it would matter. :)
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by SheepleBuster on Dec 26, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
I think Dan is gonna stomp the shit out of Rumble and send him to his proper division.
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I like Hardy, but I think Rumble puts him to sleep
with no threat of takedowns or subs, he’s going to be teeing off.
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by Dave Strummer on Dec 26, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Finally we get to see some interesting fights from Hardy
After they rushed him to his undeserved title shot, they can work in some fights worth seeing. I think Hardy takes this via ring rust.
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by Neil Manich on Dec 26, 2010 4:22 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Completely agree
if not for the ring rust, I’d pick Rumble.
Johnson’s got way too much power and reach, IMO. His wrestling is also too much for Hardy.
That said, I could see Dan pulling out a sub win over a rusty, tired Rumble late in the fight.
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
So am I the only one who scored the Hardy vs. Marcus Davis fight for Marcus?
I thought he was pushed undeservedly and he could lose this fight too. He got KOd in his last fight as well.
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by Richard Wade on Dec 26, 2010 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
Genuinely interested in why you scored the fight for Davis?
Gonna say right now that I haven’t rewatched that fight in a while, but my recollection is that Davis got hurt badly a few times in that fight scored very little offence. Vividly remember that me and the mate I watched it with at the time were both mystified why one judge gave it Davis
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by ANance on Dec 26, 2010 4:27 PM EST via mobile reply actions 3 recs
I always wRECk boner pants.
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by Earl Montclair on Dec 26, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
“Oh, uh, it’s the pleats… the pleats in the pants. It’s an optical illusion. I was just about to take them back… to the pants store. "
by KAN0 on Dec 26, 2010 7:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Tito, Lil Nog, Hardy, Rumble. Those are some big names for a fight night. Are they planning on countering a Strikeforce ppv or CBS show. Jesus.
And is Hardy/Rumble going to be a loser leaves match?
by John Nash on Dec 26, 2010 4:32 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Dana should man up and counter
Wrestlemania or Royal Rumble and try to put Vince out of business. StrikeForce is not worth countering at this point. Good shows but still not a threat to the UFC. Not that WWE is but Vince is very annoying with his shenanigans.
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by SheepleBuster on Dec 26, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
maybe people will if Vince buys them.
:)
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by SheepleBuster on Dec 26, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I actually don’t think that would be a bad thing. I read somewhere that Vince and Dana attempt to remain somewhat respectful of one another’s business but I think if Vince is really losing a lot of revenue to the UFC, he could purchase StrikeForce, inject some capital into it and see what happens. The wwe is already the standard as far as building fighters, and production values so who knows how that would turn out
by disinferno06 on Dec 26, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
The problem with that is Vince's name
Because of his notoriety from his WWE business he needs to find a way to make sure people take his MMA promotion seriously. Maybe he could leave the current management in place but change the direction of the company and add to its production … Good idea but don’t know if it will ever happen.
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by SheepleBuster on Dec 26, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
I agree. He has the capital to help boost some things in Strikeforce but not the know how. And I’m not sure if he’s the kind of guy to let other people run his businesses, whether he knows what he’s doing or not. However, if he were to purchase Strikeforce and leave a large portion of their staff intact, he would do well I believe. He isn’t the passive person that Coker is, so he wouldn’t get the run around from the fighters. But he has the business acumen to build Strikeforce and truly make it an independent global entity
by disinferno06 on Dec 26, 2010 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe he could ask Shane McMahon to run that company
I know Shane knows a bit about MMA. Let’s not forget that as much as XFL was ridiculed, NFL did steal some ideas from those guys
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by SheepleBuster on Dec 26, 2010 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
Shane and Vince broke up
I’ve heard Shane is an MMA fan and wanted to work for the UFC.
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
Fuck, good idea. Let Shane-the one who knows a BIT about mma- run the day to day operations, a COO if you will, while Vince still retains control and veto power, a CEO. I legitimately think that he should at least look into the idea ( if he hasn’t already)
by disinferno06 on Dec 27, 2010 1:57 AM EST up reply actions
the other problem...
is that Vince wouldn’t be able to control outcomes. That kinda throws a wrench into the most important part of his plan…
by John Danaher's Hair on Dec 26, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
I wasn’t really serious about countering Strikeforce. I’m just surprised they got such big names on a Fight Night.
by John Nash on Dec 26, 2010 4:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I know
I still want Vince to be out of business. Enough is enough. :)
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by SheepleBuster on Dec 26, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
to be honest,
I think Vince is a genius of a business man but he is so ruthless. I used to follow his career and he was pretty much hated by a lot of pro wrestlers. Wrestling is so 90s. Maybe Vince should try something different. I mean he still has got millions but he did burn millions on his wife’s campaign
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by SheepleBuster on Dec 26, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
Well
I wanted to say billions but McMahon used to have I think 2Bs but now his worth is below 1B
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by SheepleBuster on Dec 26, 2010 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
I think now he is right around 1.2B. That’s completely insane, the man lost nearly 800 MILLION DOLLARS, and is still one of the wealthiest men around. That is mind boggling
by disinferno06 on Dec 27, 2010 1:59 AM EST up reply actions
Vince McMahon really doesn’t know anything else besides professional wrestling. Everytime that Vince has tried to branch out of professional wrestling, he has failed as shown with his bodybuilding organization, the XFL, and the WWE produced movies don’t do very well either. He even says in interviews that he doesn’t sleep. At this stage of his life and how long he’s been in the business of professional wrestling, I don’t think he can nor wants to do anything else even with all the money that he has.
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by chrisbboy82 on Dec 26, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
Dana and the UFC just wouldn’t be able to put Vince and WWE out of business even if they tried. While there are fans of professional wrestling that go to MMA and don’t watch professional wresting anymore, WWE has a sustained audience and hardcore fans that won’t give up professional wrestling and watch WWE religiously. As appealing as real fighting is to fake fighting, some people just like the fake stuff better than the real stuff (True story. I have a friend that just has no interest in MMA but enjoys professional wrestling). Also, WWE is pretty much synonymous with professional wrestling these days, and while ratings and PPV buyrates are down, it still makes money from other revenue streams like dvd, toy sales and merchandise.
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by chrisbboy82 on Dec 26, 2010 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
I tell you what. I'd watch pro wrestling if they brough the 90's back
I mean back then it was fake but at least somewhat interesting. These days, it’s just pure garbage. Someone should be arrested for allowing that BS on TV :)
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by SheepleBuster on Dec 26, 2010 11:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It is pretty bad these days. I’ll try to catch it, but sometimes I just read the results the next day.
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by chrisbboy82 on Dec 26, 2010 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
Rumble only has a loss to Kos
And Hardy has losses to GSP and Condit. Both have really exciting styles and tend to go all out. Failing a truly awful performance by the loser, I think they both stay on the roster.
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by Dave Strummer on Dec 26, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
It's the next fight they have to worry about.
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This ws mentioned already a few days ago on D Wizzle World Twitter
I’m hearing Anthony Rumble Johnson will be back in the cage soon and his opponent is possibly Dan Hardy. Will try to confirm. #UFC
10:17 PM Dec 24th via web
Well,
“D Wizzle World” certainly is the authoritative source for breaking MMA news these days.
by Scott Haber on Dec 26, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You do realize
D Wizzle is none other than Dana White…
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by The Lethal Haze on Dec 26, 2010 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
sigh
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by The Lethal Haze on Dec 26, 2010 8:13 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
What happened
To the dailys Brent was starting?
by Bloodsport on Dec 26, 2010 4:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Hard to do.
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Good choice for Hardy
Rumble suffers from the Brock syndrome “doesn’t like getting hit in the face”, which is not great for a MMA fighter, Rumble got the power to end it but I see UD for Hardy. I always wanted to see Semtex vs Rumble though for 100% finish guarenteed!
Rumble suffers from the Brock syndrome "doesn’t like getting hit in the face"
You really believe that? In what fight did Johnson get punched repeatedly, froze, turned his back and ran?
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by disinferno06 on Dec 27, 2010 2:01 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Hardy's record looks so odd
A fight with the champ squeezed in between a bunch of fights with midcard guys.
What’s he supposed to do? Fight a submission expert or an up and coming grinder?
I agree that AJ definitley has the potential to knock his block off, but there’s a5 pretty good upside to this. Fighting a strong grappler could just have him on his back again for fifteen minutes, which is really the worst case scenario for Hardy. Even getting violently knocked out is better than getting laid on for fifteen minutes, for Dan specifically. Plus, lets not forget that a severely dehydrated AJ will not only make him slow and sluggish, but more susceptible to being knocked out himself.
by Schwizzles on Dec 26, 2010 7:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't understand the Rumble hype
He’s a wrestler who’s a power puncher. That’s it. Hardy is way more technical on the feet striking. By Hardy’s own admission he went head hunting against Condit when he felt a good shot connect early on. Hardy’s a smart guy and won’t make that mistake again.
If Rumble takes it to the ground, then we have a more interesting fight in terms of unknowns.
Johnson is a great striker. Better than Hardy? That’s debatable. Koshceck is a wrestler who is a power puncher.
Be like water making its way through cracks. Do not be assertive, but adjust to the object, and you shall find a way round or through it. If nothing within you stays rigid, outward things will disclose themselves. - Bruce Lee
And Koscheck got jabbed into surgery by GSP.
Johnson being a better striker then Hardy shouldn’t even be remotely debatable. He’s not.
And Koscheck got jabbed into surgery by GSP.
What does that have to do with anything? To say it’s “not even remotely debatable” is hilarious
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Johnson is a legit wrestler with some nasty power and speed. The power could largely be attributed to the fact that he’s essentially two weight classes above everyone he fights.
by dreamers_12345 on Dec 26, 2010 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
his defensive bjj is bad though
his sanshou inspired and cung le trained striking is his best feature, it wasnt long ago that people were saying that he could stand with GSP
as long as rumble’s dieting and training bjj he has tons of potential, hes still fairly young
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It’d be interesting to really see how Johnson’s BJJ is coming along. He got choked out in the Kos fight but he appeared completely gassed by that point. Which just reminded me of one of his biggest potential holes. Cutting so so much weight as he does clearly has an effect on his conditioning which in a high-paced, grappling-heavy fight, the longer the fight goes on the worse for him.
by dreamers_12345 on Dec 26, 2010 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
yea i think he'd be better off at middleweight
theres simply too many grapplers at ww with guys like rick story, mike pyle, ellenberger, paulo thiago and nate diaz who are all roughly at the same place as him in the division
its a much easier road for him at mw to go up, be more comfortable, and do what everyone else does and call out either bisping or wandy
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by milk72 on Dec 26, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I like Rumble at Middleweight as well. He is a good height, and it’s not like he’d be a small Middleweight either. With Welterweight, one also has to question Rumble’s cardio.
As far as this fight against Hardy is concerned, I can see Rumble winning this if he uses his wrestling. In the striking department, Hardy is better, but Rumble does have the power and good enough skill to catch him. I am not a fan of Dan Hardy at all, and I am a big fan of Rumble, so I hope that Rumble wins this one (and makes weight).
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by chrisbboy82 on Dec 26, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
Hardy’s a smart guy and won’t make that mistake again.
I think that you’re overestimating Hardy’s fighting IQ. He wasn’t just headhunting, he was throwing the same left hook repeatedly and got spotted. Earlier in his career he was also making stupid decisions (like clinching and stalling after he rocked Swick).
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by dancingChicken on Dec 27, 2010 4:12 AM EST up reply actions
He’s a wrestler who’s a power puncher.
Who is HUGE for the weight class.
by Horselover Fat on Dec 27, 2010 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
However I think his hype was considerably lowered after the Kos loss. But yeah, he’s fast, big, powerful, fairly good wrestler and striker.
by Horselover Fat on Dec 27, 2010 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
fuck yea rumble
i feel like im the last one left on his hype train, its been getting way too lonely here
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I like rumble to but.......
he needs to go to 185 hardy as well. they both cut alot of weight to fight at 170.
i think hardy still has a place at 170
hes still one of the top end strikers plus hes never had problems cutting weight. And has a couple good matchups lined up, if he wins i see him getting a guy on the level of the nate diaz-kim winner, or someone like mike pyle which is are interesting fights
hardys not getting a title shot anytime soon at either 185 or 170 so its in his best interest to try and get some cool matchups which i think he’ll do better at 170 then at 185
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yeah but that limits
the amount of fights either of them can do in a year. from all the weigth cutting i think both of them should try middle weight they would do good. hardy better than johnson though.
Diaz is an effective striker with an iron chin
Who is lightyears beyond Hardy in the grappling department. Compare their bouts with Marcus Davis. Hardy was lucky to escape with a split decision and was getting ouwrestled. Diaz beat the hell out of him before going to the ground for the finish. I don’t see Hardy hype lasting much longer. The most impressive thing about him is how well the UFC was able to convince people that he was top 10.
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by pdl on Dec 26, 2010 8:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
thats not really a fair comparison
styles make fights and i had davis actually beating hardy, i just think diaz is better suited for a guy like davis than hardy is. i think hardy is a pretty decent matchup for diaz and a bunch of guys at 170 hes a good striker with mediocre tdd and grappling skills, i dont really think diaz would be able to get that fight to the ground due to hardys pretty significant size advantage and it’d turn into a striking match with hardy probably having an advantage
hardys not gonna beat many wrestlers at 170, but hes a quality guy in the division and brings a nice set of skills to the octagon
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by Derek Suboticki on Dec 26, 2010 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
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Jesus, if his walking weight is 220+
and he’s already missed weight a few times, just fight at middleweight! I just can’t fathom how he would be in better shape cutting to 170 than cutting to 185. At some point, the cut goes from beneficial to detrimental, and the numbers difference just makes me intuitively think its too much. With a 6’-1" height he also has the frame to hang at MW…and inject some much needed mid tier talent.
by Cocytus on Dec 26, 2010 7:30 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Here here. Just stop punishing yourself and go to middleweight. He has absolutely no chance of beating GSP, and the weight cut is always going to be an issue. When you cut like him, the smallest little thing is going to make him lose weight. And fighting at MW is going to feel like a vacation compared to WW.
I wonder what makes people so reluctant about going to MW. Both Hardy and AJ have the frames to be there and it’s the lest wrestling heavy division, so it should feel like a natuaral move.
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by dancingChicken on Dec 27, 2010 4:20 AM EST up reply actions
Rumble is a bit of a myth really. His record makes Hardy’s look like Shogun’s.
by Sink on Dec 26, 2010 7:31 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Normally I’d be stoked for his fight, but I hate it when guys come off of long layoffs to fight a really sharp high-level guy. I think that Hardy takes this one. Coming off of two intense matches in Condit and GSP, and absolutely crazy for a win, I think Hardy takes this one in the first round or two. But I’m looking forward to it, and might even splurge to see it here in Seattle.
Something awesome can come out of a Rumble loss here.
If Johnson loses, it could potentially set up a fight between Rumble and Doomsday. They’d both be coming off of losses and that would be one hell of a fight.
Or even Doomsday and Hardy. Either one would be awesome.
by Kyle Overeem on Dec 26, 2010 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
Personally I don’t think he has enough skill. Some fighter are good wrestlers, great submission artists, technical boxers, and AJ’s skill is the ability to cut insane amounts of weight(most of the time). I’ve heard he has never gone to a BJJ class in his life so really he needs the huge size and strength advantage to win fights.
This is a great fight.
Both these guys like to throw punches in bunches.
Personally...
…I’d rather not see either guy get derailed just yet. It’s interesting stylistically though.
Speaking of Hathaway, what’s your opinion of London Shoot as a camp? Tbh I really don’t think they’re international calibre and I’d much rather see him go elsewhere. They do okay on the domestic circuit, but never seem quite ready for world-class competition…
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I agree
Although I’m hoping hardy isn’t already on a slippery slope. No more headhunting from Hardy and he could beat Johnson quite easily in my opinion.
As for Shootfighters, I’d say as far as a wrestling base he has done well, as we saw in the Story fight. If he could make the journey back and forth between Rough house and Shootfighters, I think he’d really benefit. Although I see your point. Other fighters they have produced don’t exactly give much hope. Take Alex Reid as a prime example.
I don't think Ring Rust will keep Johnson from blasting Hardy in the first round
Hardy likes to strike, Johnson likes to strike and has dynamite in his hands.
Johnson has a background in wrestling. Hardy isn’t going to outwrestle him.
I also doubt Hardy’s jiu jitsu will be good enough to sub Johnson.
Hardy, in my opinion, got overrated very quickly and tossed into a title shot he didn’t deserve, as most post-title fight losers do, he automatically is getting tougher competition than before the title fight…and as the Condit fight showed, he just doesn’t have enough to cut it.
One of the biggest ‘eye-roll’ moments for me was when Dana White always said that Dan Hardy’s standup was ‘perfect’…I’ll see that lie and raise you one Carlos Condit, Mr White.
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