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Standard and Poor's Credit Report for UFC Gives Clues to Total Revenue

MMA Payout recently detailed a the latest Zuffa credit report from Standard and Poor's. 

Two points stuck out as particularly interesting: 

  • The report reinforces that 75% revenues are event-related; PPV buys account for nearly 60% of all PPV event revenue while gate and sponsorships account for the rest.
  • The remaining 25% of revenue comes from live and taped broadcasts on SpikeTV, merchandise, and digital media revenue; much of that is broadcast revenue, but an emerging portion is merchandise and digital media.
  • ...
  • Debt: $50 million credit facility expiring in 2012; $425 million term loan due in 2015.
  • Standard and Poor's revenue percentages that are described above allow us to reverse engineer Zuffa's revenue for 2009 by using Dave Meltzer's reported pay-per view buys for UFC events in 2009, which came in at an estimated 8.055 million pay-per view buys.

    Unfortunately there is no way for us to know how many of these buys were high definition versus standard definition, which in turn will hurt the accuracy of our math (not to mention that this doesn't include restaurant and bar purchases, which pay different rates) but we can at least look at the range of possible pay-per view revenue. 

    If all PPV purchases were in high definition at $54.95 then the estimated pay-per view revenue would be $442.6 million. If all purchases were in standard definition at $44.95 then the estimated pay-per view revenue would be $362.1 million. 

    By applying Standard and Poor's percentages we can calculate total revenue using the following method:

    Estimated PPV Revenue = 60% of event revenue 
    Thus;
    Estimated PPV revenue / .6 = Event revenue
    $442.6-362.1 million / .6 = $737.7-603.5 million
    Thus;
    Event revenue = 75% of Total Revenue 
    Thus;
    Event revenue / .75 =  Total Revenue
    $737.7-603.5 million /.75 = $983.6 - 804.7 million

    Zuffa's estimated total revenue for 2009 would fall within the range of $983.6 million to $804.7 million. 

    Obviously, these figures are not exact and I wouldn't expect anyone to take them as gospel. But they do offer a more tangible perspective on Zuffa's financial situation.

    Cheat sheet of conclusions after the jump.

    Star-divide

    - Estimated Total Revenue - $983.6 - 804.7 million

    - Estimated Event Revenue (75% of total revenue) - $737.7-603.5 million

    - Estimated PPV Revenue (45% of total revenue) - $442.6-362.1 million

    - Estimated Event Gate/Sponsorship Revenue (30% of total revenue) - $295.1-241.4 million

    - Estimated Broadcast, Merchandise, Media and Digital Revenue (25% of total revenue) - $245.9-201.2 million.

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    thanks for analyzing and posting

    by GregS123 on Dec 23, 2010 3:19 PM EST reply actions  

    Zak, when they are talking about total ppv revenue, aren’t they referring to the amount Zuffa receives from the split i.e. excluding the providers cut. Thus the revenue would be half this total.
    Also, what about the fees paid by bars? This must surely be a sizable amount and is not included in the ppv sales figures. Shouldn’t that be added to the ppv revenue before making your calculation?

    by John Nash on Dec 23, 2010 3:19 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

    This^

    Without knowing Zuffa’s cut of the PPV buy and better understanding the public viewing situation (bars, casinos, other venues) these numbers could be dramatically off. I don’t think there is sufficient information for even a rough estimate presented here.

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    by rask4p on Dec 23, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

    I don't either. It seems as if the S&P report simplified things too much

    We know that a bulk of the UFC’s revenue comes from the PPV business (being it PPVs, bar licenses, gates, etc), so you can essentially say that as the PPV money goes, so does the UFC. This year, they are up in total revenue, but the average per event is the same. It’s a nice bit of reverse engineering for a rough estimate but a few key components are missing as well as important designations (is sponsorship filed under PPV or merch and media? Are the bar licenses under PPV revenue or rebroadcasting?)

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    by S.C. Michaelson on Dec 23, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

    Zuffa's revenue was around 350 million last year

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    by S.C. Michaelson on Dec 23, 2010 3:50 PM EST reply actions  

    That’s a helluva thing to state authoritatively when Zak’s gone through all this trouble. Where are your numbers?

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    by Derek Suboticki on Dec 23, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

    I'm sorry, I got it from Dave Meltzer.

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    by S.C. Michaelson on Dec 23, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

    I had actually written up a post stating the same thing nottheface did, including calculations, to account for the fact that Zuffa only sees 40-50% of every PPV buy before expenses, and $350 million sits in the range I got ($321.9-491.6 million). After calculating that, it also occurred to me that not all of the UFC’s PPV buys are North American, and nowhere else charges nearly as much money. Also, MMA Payout’s description sounds incomplete, since the UFC should also have gotten meaningful amounts of revenue from international broadcast deals and their WEC deal with Versus.

    by Chromium on Dec 25, 2010 4:34 AM EST up reply actions  

    play nice Geno

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    by Nate Wilcox on Dec 23, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

    LOL, I guess I found it

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    by S.C. Michaelson on Dec 25, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

    I got it from Meltzer actually who knows more about the business of the UFC than you, I or Zak

    Not to mention Zak made a fundamental math mistake.

    But in your ZEST to “zap” me., continue on.

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    by S.C. Michaelson on Dec 23, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

    On one hand, this was still greened after I showed where I got the numbers from AND point out an error, so that shows true dedihatetion

    On the other hand, this was only greened by 4 people which doesn’t bode well.

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    by S.C. Michaelson on Dec 24, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

    which is pretty close to Zak's numbers

    once you account for the revenue split with the PPV providers. Mind telling how you got it?

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    by Nate Wilcox on Dec 23, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

    That's my point. He DIDN'T.

    It was incomplete. He forgot the most important step.

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    by S.C. Michaelson on Dec 23, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

    Is this taking into account that Zuffa splits the PPV revenue with the providers?

    Because they only receive half or a little over half of the PPV revenue and since you based all the data on the PPV revenue then all your other numbers appear to be double what they should be.

    Just BE.

    by mattman73 on Dec 23, 2010 4:21 PM EST reply actions  

    Good job reverse engineering it. You just have to make an adjustment to one of the numbers

    The gross ppv is not considered revenue for Zuffa (unless the purchases are directly through UFC.com). For the most part the gross receipts for ppv purchases are considered revenue for guys like comcast, direct tv, dish, etc… What the providers pay Zuffa is considered revenue.

    Deduct around 17 from the non-hd and around 22.50 from the HD purchases.

    by mmalogic on Dec 23, 2010 5:15 PM EST reply actions  

    That would indicate that the UFC is getting a 60/40 split instead of the 50/50 most throw around.

    by John Nash on Dec 23, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

    It all depends on how you allocate the advertising credits on the books.

    by mmalogic on Dec 23, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

    I wasn't trying to be a dick, just that Meltzer had already mentioned the UFC's estimated (because they are a private company) revenue at about 320 million

    The UFC didn’t do 8.055 million buys in 2009, they did 7.750 million. You mistakenly included UFC 108’s buyrate of 300K as part of the total when it took place in 2010, not 2009. That means the total PPV revenue for 2009 is 348.36 – 433.61 million.

    You forgot that the UFC gets a 50/50 split in PPV revenue with most major PPV providers. That lowers the UFC’s PPV revenue range to 174.18 – 216.80 million.

    Now we’re cooking with grease and you can plug in the new numbers and get a rough estimate of the UFC’s total revenue. Again, despite what Nino thinks, the intent wasn’t to be a dick.

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    by S.C. Michaelson on Dec 23, 2010 5:50 PM EST reply actions  

    The actual number? I have no idea.

    As for it being 100% revenue? The answer is yes. The operating costs (server fees, payment processing) are deducted, but they don’t have to share (like ROH does) because the UFC is a large enough operation to afford having their own in-house iPPV IMO

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    by S.C. Michaelson on Dec 23, 2010 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

    Jardine is waiting on his residuals!

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    by Charles Awad on Dec 23, 2010 7:55 PM EST reply actions  

    Does anyone have any idea how much it costs to put all of the shows together including marketing them? Maybe $100 million? They had like 25 shows, $4 million per show seems like a fair number to put it together and market it, pay for fighters’ flights and accomodations, etc.

    And also, what about total fighter compensation? I would guess 250 fighters at an average of $60k a year, $15 million. Fair guess?

    by Shnak on Dec 24, 2010 8:07 AM EST reply actions  

    Nottheface put together some numbers in another post based on some research by Michael Rome

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    by S.C. Michaelson on Dec 24, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

    $425mm loan is brutal

    Thats sone serious debt for a company that doesn’t know if it’ll do $100 million next year or $500 million.

    Of course. knowing the Fertittas, they’ll probably declare bankruptcy, get the debt wiped out in court, and buy the UFC back with a clear balance sheet.

    by Ironbuddha on Dec 24, 2010 4:37 PM EST reply actions  

    Not really

    Most large enterprises carry significant debt.

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    by Charles Awad on Dec 24, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

    425M in debt is not that much

    Let’s go with S.C.‘s number of 350M—-the WWE’s financials can help us out here (the only time I’ll use PROWRASSLIN in comparing MMA……because they are a public company with SEC reported numbers). Their EBITDA margin was 19.8%, and I would imagine the UFC’s is higher given that they have to pay their fighters less than the WWE actors, but rolling with that number you’d get an EBITDA of 70M.

    The WWE’s current market cap is $1.06B giving them a EBITDA equity multiple of 11.3, I’d imagine that the UFC’s is higher given that they are in a better spot in their growth worldwide, but even that would give a simple valuation of 791M—-I’m 100% confident that the actual valuation is a lot higher than this, but even conservatively with the pure financial valuation techniques that would make the debt/equity a pretty palatable 53%. So yeah, the debt isn’t a problem.

    From a creditor perspective, the UFC brand itself is worth at least 425M let alone any valuation of their current revenue, let alone any valuation of their projected future revenue.. The Dodgers had 440M in debt financing and they are not anywhere near as valuable as the UFC, though granted baseball is a much more stable business—-though hopefully the Fertittas/Dana have sweet pre-nups as that would apparently make it much safer.

    To head off the question “well if they are doing so well, why do they even have debt??”, the answer is that their return has been almost guaranteed to be higher than the interest rates they are paying. Example: if I could guarantee you that I could get you 10% return on any amount of money you gave me, and you could take a loan out for 5%…..well hell you’d want to borrow an infinite amount of money because you’d be profiting 5% even after paying back the loan. This is essentially what banks do, they borrow money from their depositors and “make investments” at higher interest rates. This example obviously has its limits in that no one can guarantee 10%, or any, rate of return, but I don’t think anyone wants an academic explanation of “risk”.

    Long story short, leverage in growth industries isn’t a bad thing, it’s a sign that creditors think the UFC is healthy.

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    by joker24 on Dec 25, 2010 3:54 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

    damm joker that was nice!

    What do u do for a living? U better not say u work at a car wash or something because u will be wasting some skill.. lol

    by #1 piggy on Dec 26, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

    rec'd for clarity

    i think i took more away from joker’s post than the entire article and comments – thx!

    by stray on Dec 27, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

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