Report: Alistair Overeem vs. Todd Duffee Agreed for Dynamite!! 2010
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 23, 2010 10:02 PM EST
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The rumored bout between K-1 and Strikeforce champ, Alistair Overeem (33-11) and former top UFC prospect, Todd Duffee (6-1) will push through for Dynamite!! 2010. Duffee originally posted about it on his facebook account a few days ago, but then deleted it shortly after. MMA Fighting has it:
Alistair Overeem finally knows who he will be facing on the card. His opponent? Former UFC prospect Todd Duffee.
...MMA Fighting has confirmed with multiple sources close to the bout that both parties have officially agreed to the fight... FEG is only expected to officially announce the fight sometime after Christmas.
It is interesting to note that while Duffee recently declined a Strikeforce bout against Antonio Silva because he didn't want to compete on short notice, he will be taking this fight against a more dangerous opponent on less than two weeks notice. This decision may have something to do with his upcoming January bout against Abe Wagner, as he has already been training, and probably felt that he could be able to get ready in time for New Year's.
Even if people aren't going to be too high on the 25-year-old's chances against a guy like Alistair, this is actually pretty decent for a bout that was made on the 12th hour -- certainly better than Overeem's other opponents in DREAM.
UPDATE: Matthew Roth of HeadKickLegend provides more details on the comments section:
UPDATE 2: Todd Duffee’s Manager Monte Cox says Duffee wants to fight:- Duffee is getting paid 60k to show and an unnamed amount to win. Bobby Lashley wanted minimum 80k to show and a larger amount if he won. So Duffee was the next best choice.
- He’s in Japan right now. If he says he’s fighting he could lose his visa which is why it’s not announced yet.
- It will NOT be for the DREAM belt
"This is one of those opportunities that come around once in a lifetime. Todd isn't 100% and there isn't enough time to get 100% ready, but he felt like it was a dream come true to fight against one of the best, if not the best, heavyweights in the world.
"I'll be honest, I argued against taking the fight. I'd rather he have time to prepare and be at full strength... but he was adamant that this was a special opportunity and he wasn't going to pass on it and regret it later on. He said 'I'm a fighter... this is what I do.' How am I supposed to argue with that logic?"
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the best fight they could make at this point
great. Overeem will probably win but the hater won’t have the “can” argument.
sure they will
Duffee isn’t top ten.
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by the-gentle-way on Dec 23, 2010 11:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
no
I think Duffee is not a can but probably not ready for Overeem. Here is the thing. This is russian roulette being played by Duffee. If he wins, he has taken out StrikeForce heavyweight champ. Dana will snap him up in a heart beat. If he loses, so what? He lost to a guy many consider to be top 3 (I don’t).
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by SheepleBuster on Dec 23, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
So…erm…where is Duffee playing Russian Roulette? Isn’t it Overeem who’s taking the risk that the Duffee chamber may be loaded?
To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.
well
he is pointing a gun to his head and the gun is almost completely loaded. If he loses, which he most likely will, Dana will call him a bum who is on a 2 fight losing streak. Who knows what it does for his confidence. Getting knocked out twice in a row…. If he wins by knockout,… yes he could get signed by UFC or he could be used by dana to say Overeem was not all that.
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by SheepleBuster on Dec 23, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
I really doubt Dana will be talking about him at any point if he loses.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 23, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
well. I want Dana to bring him back
But we will know more about him after this fight. Am I the only one who thinks he will fare better than Brett Rogers against Overeem?
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by SheepleBuster on Dec 23, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
I think he can do more
I still remember how some picked Rogers to beat Overeem after he bloodied Fedor’s nose. Todd Duffee on the other hand has the power and athleticism to at least show something. anything against Overeem.
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by SheepleBuster on Dec 23, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
It's just a really bad matchup for Duffee IMO
He’s a pure striker and it would be beyond stunning to me for him to beat Overeem’s Gran-Prix-Winning caliber striking while on the feet. And it’s not like he’s going to be able to muscle around Reem either.
Not afraid to nitpick
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With these two guys size and strength anything can happen at any given time in that kind of fight and Duffe knows it.
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“I really doubt Dana will be talking about him at any point if he loses
He will if someone tells him how good Alistair is.
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by Hardy's in your face on Dec 23, 2010 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
What? Russian Roulette means it's dangerous for DuffMan. This is win win for him.
If he gets beat, it’s ok, Reem is top 10 HW.
If he wins, he shoots up the rankings and prolly gets picked up by the UFC.
How is this Russian Roulette?
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I disagree
I have studied Duffman and his career. I am not an expert on it but he does seem to suffer from some attitude problems. Not the ones Dana talks about. But let’s just say a loss could damage him big time. I don’t think it’s as simple if he loses. Even when he lost to Russow, he talked as if he was gonna retire. He talked about how the world was unfair and how he didn’t need any lessons and stuff like that. Some very strange comments.
Russian Roulette is not that risky. Just ask Arlovski ;)
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by SheepleBuster on Dec 23, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree
Russian Roulette is very risky….
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by RolloTomasi on Dec 23, 2010 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
You've "studied," really? Come on.
Either way, you don’t know what Russian Roulette is.
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by James Brady on Dec 24, 2010 1:45 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You’ve “studied,” really? Come on.
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1.
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Seems like a fair use to me.
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by Drunken cutman on Dec 24, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
Right, technically correct, which of course is the backbone of every internet “I DON’T WANT TO BE WRONG OH GOD OH GOD” argument.
Stop defending the known troll
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by James Brady on Dec 24, 2010 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
The Duffman has a very real possibility of dying in the ring
I assume that’s what’s meant by him playing russian roullette.
People might assume I’m joking, but AO could very well decapitate the Duffman in the ring, similar to what he did to Fujita last Dynamite. Duffee has a very real chance of sustaining a career altering injury in this bout.
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by The Lethal Haze on Dec 23, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
well. if he treats Duffman
like he did that bicycle, then yes. I want to see Overeem vs. JDS. Who’s with me? :)
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by SheepleBuster on Dec 23, 2010 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
This is nonsense
Aside from Fujita, who’s been using his skull as a crash test dummy for the better part of a decade (and shouldn’t have been fighting him to begin with), no one has been seriously injured by Overeem. The vast majority of serious injuries in MMA are accidental and not inflicted – think Ludwig, Corey Hill, etc.
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by Cory Braiterman on Dec 23, 2010 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
Strikeforce will block any relevant fight
so that’s the best they can do. And Duffee is not a can, neither is Russow. Of if is, 80% of the fighters are cans.
you’re Strike forcing your opinion on this…it’s a Dream card.
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by tigerlee on Dec 23, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This is the argument that will forever be made
when history looks at this fight…Dufee was a newcomer in the UFC and went 1-1 definitely not a credible win or worthwhile to bring up when talking about Overeem and his ranking in MMA
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by AfroSamurai on Dec 23, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
What the Fu......
Since when is a guy who is 13-1 with his only loss coming versus a top 10 fighter (Sergei) a ‘can’? Russow may not be a future champion, but he is not even remotely close to being a ‘can’.
You’re dead wrong about that.
They see me rollin...
by spectaa on Dec 23, 2010 11:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
You’re dead wrong about that.
They see me rollin...
by spectaa on Dec 23, 2010 11:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
so wrong you confirmed it twice
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by Austin Martin on Dec 23, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Duffee is not a can
But at this point we can safely call him a failed prospect.
"But I was like "I don't know how they do things where you guys are from, but I dont think monogamy is legal in this country."
failed prospect? He was crushing Russow but started headhunting. The guy is 23 years old. He’s 7 fights into his professional career. Let’s not hyperbolize.
Colin Cowherd is more annoying than the Progressive radio commercials.
by Austin Martin on Dec 23, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions 12 recs
Russow Is indeed a CREDIBLE fighter...
His only loss is to Kharitonov by armbar back in Pride.
by Menime on Dec 23, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I thought you were joking
with just enough detail to make it seem credible…
Damn…
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by The American Ronin on Dec 23, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Lol im serious..
Have a look at his record, obviously he is no world beater but he aint no pushover either.
I did
that is why I posted that – you were exactly right.
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by The American Ronin on Dec 23, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Mike Rossow took a good beating from a Duffee...
But I guess the Testosterone Replacement Therapy did not help Duffee in his discipline…
My opinion is that Russow is one of the worst heavyweights the UFC has on the roster. Still, it’s absurd to consider Duffee a failed prospect off of one loss.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 23, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
No we cant...
He suffered his very first loss….
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by Urijah Bieber on Dec 23, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
Failed Prospect?
He’s 6-1.
His only loss a freak KO after he dominated most of the fight.
Let’s not throw dirt on his grave just yet……he’s gonna be on the scene for 5-10 more years.
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Duffee is a can
of HGH mixed with and androstenedione
by Gideon Jay on Dec 23, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He's not a can but which fight is his signature win again?
Face it, If he wasn’t physically yoked like he is he probably wouldn’t be getting this fight.
by Chris Hines on Dec 23, 2010 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
If Duffee had his lights turned off against Russow, I am kind of nervous for this matchup.
by xDieseLx on Dec 23, 2010 11:27 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Was thinking the same exact thing. I think it’s safe to say Megareem has more power than Russow and much better technical standup as well which probably means a short night for Duffee.
by dreamers_12345 on Dec 23, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
yeah this is a very scary matchup for Duffee. You turn down a strikeforce offer for this beating? I am sure the money is probably better but realisitcally this is a horrible fight for someone trying to get back on track in their career.
Strikeforce didn’t offer him 60k for the Bigfoot fight though.
Money is the main reason why he takes this fight.
DREAM offers him nearly 10x the money he made in the UFC.
Losing to Megareem also wouldn’t hurt his career as the Reem is seen as a Top 10HW
I think he turned downed Strikeforece because of the inability to get out of their contract if he won...
With Dynamite he can fight…win…and come right back to the UFC if he pleases.
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by AfroSamurai on Dec 23, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
SF doesn't have that kind of clause in it
from what I’m aware. It probably had more to do with the fact that it was about 4 days notice, whereas with something like this, he’s clearly had some notion that this might happen for some time and can put in at least a bit of a camp.
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by Cory Braiterman on Dec 23, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
He gets money, a high-profile opponent and bigger exposure (albeit not in his hime-market). Plus a chance at skyrocketing his stock by an upset-win. This is a must-have for Duffee. He’d be an idiot to turn it down.
The one guy who will have sleepless nights over this is Scott Cocker. Imagine if his other Heavyweight Superstar loses to a “he got beat by who?”…
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by KGNLuc on Dec 23, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Win Like a Rose
If he wins we smells like a giant rose, if he loses nobody gives a shit. His value in the States will skyrocket by beating the Strikeforce champ. Either Dana pays him a lot for beating their champ, or Coker better because he wants his champ to get revenge.
He was going to get beat down in either one
might as well make it against one of the 5 best HWs in the world, and one with huge name recognition compared to Bigfoot.
Plus, Reem will likely finish him more quickly – it is a more merciful fight for Duffee…
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by The American Ronin on Dec 23, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
fixed
If Duffee had his lights turned off against Russow, I am kind ofnervouserect for this matchup.
Reem can do that to you. ;)
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by RolloTomasi on Dec 23, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Clearly Overeem is ducking Mike Russow
by MemphisMike on Dec 23, 2010 11:34 AM EST reply actions 32 recs
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by Thats It For you! on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
HAHAHA
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by Charles Awad on Dec 23, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Can you blame him?
The Demolition Man is no match for The Human Sledgehammer
(someone post that russow hammerfist gif so I can rec it)
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by RolloTomasi on Dec 23, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
That was so awesome.
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by Derek Suboticki on Dec 23, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
My first post, this finally drew me out of the shadows. Well fuckin’ played sir! Rec’d.
by possumOpossum on Dec 23, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
what about TBA? he got screwed out of yet another fight with Overeem
Who's the only one here who knows illegal ninja moves from the government?
haha
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by Broke Lesnar on Dec 23, 2010 11:36 AM EST reply actions
EXACTLY
Not a horrid fight on short notice, but it is a stereotypical “New Years” mismatch.
by Bob Loblaw TX on Dec 23, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
I expect duffee not to be too overpowered by overeem, and that’s already something.
They see me rollin...
by spectaa on Dec 23, 2010 11:43 AM EST via mobile reply actions
you wrong.
just wait.
Reem via K-1 super punch!
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I think this probably the best fight they could put given the short notice and availability of opponents.
About “Overeem is overrated”.
Overeem’s K-1 run is impressive and gives to some (including me) great hopes concerning his future in MMA. However, detractors are right when they say he hasn’t fought much in MMA since winning the SF belt and that his level of opposition (in MMA) was, until now, far from the Top 10. I hope SF fixes that soon.
the fairest assessment of the reem Ive seen
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by Urijah Bieber on Dec 23, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Resume wise he obviously wouldn't be top-10
But you can’t look at the talent that he’s shown and not think that he would be rightly favored against every fighter outside the top 10.
Not afraid to nitpick
Todd Duffe has nothing to lose
thats why he took this fight, come on he’s fighting a guy who is K-1 champ, Strikeforce champ and ranked #8 heavyweight. After Russow fight Duffee is a can now, so if he loses, nothing changes, but if he wins by a chance, it changes alot. So Duffee has only something to wind, while Overeem losing against Dufee would look terrible.
by Andrew TheSaint on Dec 23, 2010 11:47 AM EST reply actions
If Duffee wins, he just beat the SF champ, and beat someone who's considered top 10
I’d say that’s enough to get asked back to the UFC
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by Austin Martin on Dec 23, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Plus I’m guessing this is a one fight contract for Duffee with DREAM. So if Duffee does pull off the upset he is looking at a big payday from either Strikeforce to set up the rematch or from the UFC.
Just BE.
this is also my guess as to why he took this fight, and not against bigfoot...
He would be contractually tied up with SF if he won against Silva, while on this case, a win would be able to net big paydays from both UFC and SF.
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 23, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Imagine how Dana would be happy
He could take Duffee back and have a guy who beat Overeem or if Duffee goes to SF, he could just say that Duffee couldn’t make it in UFC and he’s beaten the Reem. So there would be no more questions about Overeem being a top HW for him.
by Andrew TheSaint on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
Why would he be
contractually tied up for beating Bigfoot?
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by The American Ronin on Dec 23, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Strikeforce probably wouldn't sign him for just 1 bout to begin with.
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 23, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Perhaps not normally
but for that fight, most likely. Not to mention that even a loss wouldn’t otherwise release him from his contract unless they cut him.
I was just curious if there was some aspect I was unaware of – thank you sir.
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by The American Ronin on Dec 23, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
I think you're underestimating
What SF has to lose if Duffee beats Bigfoot and then gets back into the UFC. HW is SF’s only deep division.
Aside from the proverbial “puncher’s chance” Duffee had no shot against Bigfoot, although he isn’t one of SF’s “big names”
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"People griping about this matchup need to stop using fight finder as their primary source of MMA information and watch some fights already."
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by The American Ronin on Dec 23, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Duffee didn't get cut for performance
he got cut because of his attitude…I doubt White would sign him to a high dollar contract (which he would demand considering he beat someone like Overeem) if he knows he’s gonna have the headache back.
I’m sure Duffee took the fight in the event he won, it would be bargaining leverage. And unless he tucks tail & shows he’s changed his tune & will follow company line, the UFC won’t be knocking down his door. That won’t happen if he beats Overeem.
Who's the only one here who knows illegal ninja moves from the government?
I agree, it’s a win win situation for Duffee. He’s going up against a guy who’s got a suspect chin, he himself has demonstrated he’s got KO power, so it’s not completely unrealistic to assume he has a chance – a small chance, but a chance never-the-less.
Nothing suspect about Reem's chin
at Heavyweight…
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by The American Ronin on Dec 23, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Not
moving up a weight class per se, but strength of neck muscles is largely what determines “chin” – and I think we can all agree Reem’s are far stronger now than at LHW…
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by The American Ronin on Dec 23, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
That remains to be seen – Reem’s chin hasn’t truly been tested (with the 4oz gloves) since the move to HW. The bottome-line is if Duffe finds it, they will come.
seriously?
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by the-gentle-way on Dec 23, 2010 1:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Didn't you know K-1 punches have less force than MMA punches by definition?
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by The Lethal Haze on Dec 23, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
He got KICKED by Badr (yes both MMA and K-1 have feet) and he got rocked, but not flash KO’ed.
He doesnt have Arlovski or Jonathon Goulets chin.
Food goes in here
Arlovski's chin should not be mentioned in the same breath as Goulet's.
It’s not good, but it isn’t glass either.
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by Broke Lesnar on Dec 23, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
didn't he get wobbled first round of this year's k1?
Maybe “wobbled” isn’t the right word. But maybe slightly stunned?
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by Broke Lesnar on Dec 23, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
also..
isn’t his chin likely to be the same whether he is being hit in MMA or in K-1? If anything I would think that K-1 fighters hit harder/better being that they are kickboxers but I don’t really follow kickboxing so that is speculation on my part.
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by ShoNuffthaMasta on Dec 23, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
I see..
like I said I don’t follow it. I didn’t even realize they wore different gloves to be honest.
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by ShoNuffthaMasta on Dec 23, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Fair enough – K1 Gloves are basically the same as your standard boxing glove. So lots of padding. MMA Gloves are tiny in comparison and thus far more dangerous.
it makes sense now that I think about it
and when you spell it out for me.
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by ShoNuffthaMasta on Dec 23, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry if I appeared rude, I just assumed it was common knowledge.
http://www.youtube.com/user/MMAmischief
no it's fine
you learn something new everyday. I shouldn’t be commenting on things I know nothing about anyway.
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by ShoNuffthaMasta on Dec 23, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Your point is kind of ridiculous anyway
because people hit very hard in both sports. But his chin is still a bit of a question, the reason the judges were able to justify the absolute robbery against Remy is because he caught overeem clean and knocked him down late.
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by Urijah Bieber on Dec 23, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
You can punch alot harder with a boxing glove than with an MMA glove without fear of breaking your hand…
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by The Lethal Haze on Dec 23, 2010 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
Gloves protect the hand not the head. Spong, Aerts, Badr, etc. hit infinitely harder than Duffee.
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by Pandanus on Dec 23, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But the head kicks are are far more viscous and have no gloves. If you haven’t checked out Schavellos 10 great kicks in combat sports you should.
http://www.hd.net/blogs/2010/12/deliciously-vocal-by-michael-schiavello/
According to this article, the shots in K-1 should be at least as hard:
The price of unnecessarily heavy gloves in martial arts is paid in the coin of bodily injury. It has been argued that heavier gloves slow a fighter’s punch, but a (albeit limited) study by PK Smith showed no significant difference in fist velocities for bare hands, karate gloves, "thumbless" gloves and boxing gloves. It appears there is a plateau to human striking speed that relatively small variances in weight do not significantly affect. What did vary in the study was the momentum imparted to the target: 25 percent higher in boxing gloves than bare fists. In fighting that means 25 percent more force imparted to a fighter’s body and brain.
What the author is saying here runs counter to the “Anything can happen in 4 oz gloves” meme, but it makes sense to me: F = M*A, and if Acceleration isn’t being significantly lowered while Mass is being raised, Force is going to be higher.
What that doesn’t address is the actual surface area that the force is being applied to. With a smaller glove and surface area the force of a punch is concentrated in a smaller area. With a boxing glove it is spread out more.
The contact surface psi is not the issue, its the amount of total (concussive) force delivered.
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by The American Ronin on Dec 24, 2010 1:04 AM EST up reply actions
depends where that force is delivered
a shot with a smaller amount of force direct to the solar plexus would be alot more stunning than a slightly harder shot to the general ‘belly area’.
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by Well Read Idiot on Dec 24, 2010 2:03 AM EST up reply actions
Of course
there are all sorts of sensitive areas and various pressure points that can be be struck with devastating effect (liver or kidney shots anyone…).
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by The American Ronin on Dec 24, 2010 2:12 AM EST up reply actions
I think the lack of being dehydrated is a bigger reason for having a better chin at heavyweight. As for the glove size thing, some argue bigger gloves add more power to the punch, I myself would like some legit testing on this.
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i was going to bring that up
but I thought that would probably just be another thing I would be wrong on. I would also like to see some testing on this. I’ve heard people saying the extra padding somehow adds extra power, I don’t really understand it myself but I guess it’s possible.
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by ShoNuffthaMasta on Dec 23, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
There have been some tests already.
Force = Mass x Acceleration
The difference in punching power from a bare fist to a padded hand is negligible. A boxing glove my provide a little more mass, but perhaps the velocity is compromised as a result. Really, all it boils down to is the striker himself. If say Badr Hari is a stronger overall striker (punches faster perhaps) than Todd Duffee, then his punch with a boxing glove will exceed that of Todd Duffee’s with a 4 oz. glove. The surface area of the boxing glove might be all that seemingly lessens a boxing glove punch’s power seeing as how it disperses the punches power over a wider surface. Still, it’s negligible. They did this exact study with Bas Rutten punching bare fisted, with an MMA glove, and then a boxing glove.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T14JMqi4qr8&feature=related
They’ve even done test where a female boxer’s punch with a boxing glove exceeds a male MMA fighter’s punch with a 4 oz. glove.
Even with all this research...
The fact that a mma 4 oz glove with hit a smaller area with more force is still true.
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They aren’t dehydrated at fight time if the cut was done properly.
And, although you didn’t mention this, head size has nothing to do with “chin” either, regardless of that perception.
Neck muscles are the primary determiner.
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by The American Ronin on Dec 23, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree
He picks up a very bad and embarrassing loss and he’s likely never going to make it back to the UFC.
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Fight could be huge
No testing in japan = Duffee will look huge, and Overeem will look like a centaur.
Overeem looked like a Centaur when he passed the testing in America.
Awesome how your eyes and keyboard have instant drug testing capabilities.
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 23, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 8 recs
Can't wait
Til Bones Jones grows into Heavy weight and nobody bats an eye.
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by VelociAldo on Dec 23, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I was warned for accusing Duffe of PEDing several weeks back...
wouldnt you know it…
He is one of TWO on the list of CSACs TRT list…
I also got warned about a year ago for implying that Carwin was on ‘something at some point’…(while carwin was on BE s good side)…
A couple months later…Carwin started lashing out at the internet/twitter and ended up on a long list of names…
2 lucky shots doesn’t mean you have some sort of gift that should allow you to pull accusations out of your ass.
by Phildo on Dec 23, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
They are not out of my ass...
They are out of my brain…
and I am a Biologist/Zoologist with a degree in art too…
I know my anatomy…what is natural…what is exaggerated by supplemental hormones…
Phildo...
do you have the same opinion on Chael Sonnen?
what opinion?
Did your magical eyes tell you he was on steroids? Did they know Royce Gracie was using? Josh Barnett? Baby Fedor?
Does every guy that looks jacked test positive? How do you explain all the fat guys that test positive? I really doubt your eye test has 100% accuracy record, so using it is pulling stuff out of your ass.
With the exception of
guys who are ultra thick in a way that can’t be done naturally (esp in the legs, like heavyweight bodybuilders), it is not possible to tell from appearances or a visual inspection, no matter how much people like to imagine they can.
Now, if you have a guy 25 or older who is already in great shape and trains heavily and he suddenly adds 15% – 20% of body weight over a very short period of time (say less than 6 months), you can safely infer he is using something, but beyond that its just not possible.
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by The American Ronin on Dec 24, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Excellent post
Very reasonable.
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by Drunken cutman on Dec 24, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
hmmm
vs.
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by Austin Martin on Dec 23, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
lol
Bob sapp
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by the-gentle-way on Dec 23, 2010 12:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Because Thomson/Kawajiri is lopsided?????
or Mach/High?
or Bibi/Takaya?
by KOQ24 on Dec 23, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah
the UFC never has lopsided fights… ::Rollseyes::
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by VelociAldo on Dec 23, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm pretty sure he didn't mention UFC.
Maybe he doesn’t order lospided UFC fights? Not every mention of criticism has to be directly related to UFC. Get that chip off your shoulder, it’s not always so serious.
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by Broke Lesnar on Dec 23, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
man, this fight sucks
You don’t put a prospect like Duffee in there with someone like Overeem. This is so stupid. It could easily completely derail Duffee’s career. Man, fuck this and fuck DREAM’s lame ass matchmaking.
"Who are you and how the hell did you get in here?"
"I'm a locksmith... and i'm a locksmith."
yep.
and Duffee wanted the bout (or the cash) as well… Can’t blame DREAM here.
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 23, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Doesn’t the UFC get heat for not championing fighter interest all the time?
"Who are you and how the hell did you get in here?"
"I'm a locksmith... and i'm a locksmith."
DREAM is not the UFC.
…their business models are completely different… and do you really think DREAM/FEG considers Duffee as their fighter?
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 23, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
sigh
I don’t know. Maybe having a crappy morning so far + being a huge Duffee fan = raging Goonisis.
Still, i really think all around this is just a shitty thing.
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"I'm a locksmith... and i'm a locksmith."
if duffee wins...lol
and becomes the DREAM HW champ and all i bet u would be all about it then wouldnt u?
I understand this was a last minute thing but...
Russow KO’d Duffee with one of the weakest looking punches I’ve ever seen…Overeem is going to take his head clean off his shoulders. Props to him for taking the fight, no amount of money could get me in a cage with Overeem, still, I’m honestly a little afraid that Duffee might literally die in this fight.
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by ShoNuffthaMasta on Dec 23, 2010 12:08 PM EST reply actions
then again
if he somehow miraculously pulls the upset it would be pretty (mma) Earth shattering.
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by ShoNuffthaMasta on Dec 23, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
not even one million dollars?
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by The Omaplatapus on Dec 23, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
just had to say
your quote from Omar on the Wire is one of my all time favorite quotes. I just watched that a couple months ago and was walking around saying that all the time, it even inspired me to train with the most legitimate camp in my city instead of starting off in one of the lesser ones.
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by ShoNuffthaMasta on Dec 23, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
it is one of the quotes of the decade imo, props to whoever thought of it.
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by The Omaplatapus on Dec 23, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
it depends
can I tapout as soon as the bell rings or do I have to let him hit me?
I keep saying this
Duffee has jeopardized his health and career by taking this match. I hope he isn’t permanently damaged because of this.
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by The Lethal Haze on Dec 23, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
It really could go either way.
Duffee could avoid being maimed. No? Fine. I’m still tuning in to watch.
This fight > UFC Resolution.
Sorry, but it’s true. Even if it will be a one sided beating.
"Brock Lesnar's NCAA record 8 years removed is absolutely relevant. Alistair Overeem winning the K-1 World Grand Prix in 2010? A total Non sequitur that isn't worth debate."
This fight > UFC Resolution - Jose Aldo
If Jose was still on the card that would be a different story
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yup.
But he ain’t and it ain’t.
"Brock Lesnar's NCAA record 8 years removed is absolutely relevant. Alistair Overeem winning the K-1 World Grand Prix in 2010? A total Non sequitur that isn't worth debate."
Can't argue with truth
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Gomi vs Guida > Dufee vs Overeem
But I think I am more pumped for the Dynamite card, with all it’s nonsensical matchmaking and weird rules fights.
too much fun
Blood is just red sweat.
by invinciblearmour. on Dec 23, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
What exactly are you a fan of?
Edgar vs. Gray puts together two great MMA fighters with great records and many top 10 wins.
Not sure on what universe this fight is better than Edgar vs. Gray, unless you are easily amused by guys getting KO’d by guys they should not be fighting. Guess you will be first in line to see Cain vs. Mike Patt.
by Bob Loblaw TX on Dec 23, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Hmm.
This has got White’s hands all over it (not really). Duffee sidesteps SF AND gets a chance to damage their champ irrevocably. If he can pull this off…wow. Is he the most dangerous opponent that Overeem has fought in MMA in the last few years?
by Charlie Custer on Dec 23, 2010 12:20 PM EST reply actions
possibly
though I think I would actually take Rogers over Duffee honestly.
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by ShoNuffthaMasta on Dec 23, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
Dana is behind every fight in the combat sports world.
He knew that Pacman beating up Margarito would make GSP look even better too.
"Brock Lesnar's NCAA record 8 years removed is absolutely relevant. Alistair Overeem winning the K-1 World Grand Prix in 2010? A total Non sequitur that isn't worth debate."
Slight update
It’s not 100%. Duffee is in Japan but if he says he’s there for fighting the Japanese government could revoke his visa. It’s more than likely happening but isn’t 100% confirmed yet.
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"Brock Lesnar's NCAA record 8 years removed is absolutely relevant. Alistair Overeem winning the K-1 World Grand Prix in 2010? A total Non sequitur that isn't worth debate."
Well, lets hope that no one from the Japanese goverment is reading MMA sites.
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by dancingChicken on Dec 23, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
So much muscle in this one.. two ~255 lbs musclebound giants battling it out on NYE, sounds perfectly appropriate for Japan if you ask me. If Duffee loses (as he should), at least he got a good payday and the notoriety of a high profile fight, really no downside here. And hey, he’s better than James Thompson and Fujita, right? In the grand scheme of things this is just another side note, don’t take it too seriously. Should be somewhat entertaining.
by Horselover Fat on Dec 23, 2010 12:21 PM EST reply actions
Risky fight for Overeem
It’ll kill all the momentum he has if Duffee pulls this off, and it’s certainly possible.
This should be the fight poster
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by dgonz on Dec 23, 2010 12:27 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Ah, except it ain't for strikeforce
fucking idiot.
(Yes, I am insulting myself, cause I am an idiot)
Go Orange(men)!
could be for the DREAM belt
if Alistair gets what he wants.
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 23, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
A few points
A) Duffee is obviously get paid BIG money for this. That’s why the Silva fight did not appeal to him.
B) Duffee is not a failed prospect. He has tons of power and this fight will be fucking nuts (and likely over in 90 seconds).
C) Duffee is probably hoping to parlay this into a free-pass back into the UFC (which Dana would obviously bite on should he somehow win).
D) This is the best opponent Overeem has faced in MMA since he kicked Crocop’s nuts up into his stomach two years ago. Give both of these guys credit for stepping up to the plate on short notice and facing a guy with a ton of power.
E-Z) FUCK. YES.
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by Charles Awad on Dec 23, 2010 12:32 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
Oh no...
Giving credit to two fighters for putting on a last minute aweseomness bout for NYE?
Not gonna happen around these parts.
"Brock Lesnar's NCAA record 8 years removed is absolutely relevant. Alistair Overeem winning the K-1 World Grand Prix in 2010? A total Non sequitur that isn't worth debate."
Where is the awesomness?
It is a decent bout on short notice, but we are talking about a K-1 champ with massive MMA experience versus a guy without a top 50 win and a very suspect chin.
It’s only awesome if you love traditional Japanese New Years mismatches, which many do.
by Bob Loblaw TX on Dec 23, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
It's VERY awesome
This card isn’t very good, but Dynamite is all about the spectacle. This is gonna be nuts.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 23, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
The card isn't terrible but the better card for sure is Sengoku
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by Matthew Roth on Dec 23, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
My comment is in comparison to previous years. Quite a letdown, but that was to be expected. They did just fine, I suppose, given the pieces they had to work with .
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by Charles Awad on Dec 23, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
This year is a total ratings grab
They are opening with Andy Ologun (Bobby Ologun’s brother) against a former Baseball player in Katsuaki Furuki. Then you have Bob Sapp vs. Shinichi Suzukawa in a special rules Open Palm strike match booked by Antonio Inoki. Plus Aoki against Nagashima in a special rules match.
If it does gang busters hopefully they put on legitimate cards in the future.
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by Matthew Roth on Dec 23, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
For sure
I don’t think it’s going to perform very well, but hopefully some of these fights will deliver.
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by Charles Awad on Dec 23, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
So
One on the button KO and his chin is suspect.
"Brock Lesnar's NCAA record 8 years removed is absolutely relevant. Alistair Overeem winning the K-1 World Grand Prix in 2010? A total Non sequitur that isn't worth debate."
With the exception of Jonathan Goulet, most people said to have a suspect chins in MMA really just have a bad defense and get caught clean way too often.
They see me rollin...
by spectaa on Dec 23, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well
Chuck has a bad chin because he’s gotten old and taken a lot of shots.
I think its too early to say Duffee has no beard.
"Brock Lesnar's NCAA record 8 years removed is absolutely relevant. Alistair Overeem winning the K-1 World Grand Prix in 2010? A total Non sequitur that isn't worth debate."
Does repeated concussions make you more likely to get KOed? Rogan keeps repeating something like this. I know it can fuck you up pretty bad on the long term with various well known illness, but that’s something else.
They see me rollin...
Anecdotally it seems that repeated concussions make you more likely to get KO’d, but I am unaware of any studies on the subject.
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by The American Ronin on Dec 24, 2010 1:08 AM EST up reply actions
this should blow your mind
but they’ve been heavyweights about the same amount of time.
"Brock Lesnar's NCAA record 8 years removed is absolutely relevant. Alistair Overeem winning the K-1 World Grand Prix in 2010? A total Non sequitur that isn't worth debate."
D.) Makes all of Overeems top 10 MMA talk sound ridiculous
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by AfroSamurai on Dec 23, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
Dear TODDUFFEEEE
Tuck your chin. Godspeed.
by Brent Ducharme on Dec 23, 2010 12:33 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
Here are the details...I'm in the process of writing up for HKL
Duffee is getting paid 60k to show and an unnamed amount to win. Bobby Lashley wanted minimum 80k to show and a larger amount if he won. So Duffee was the next best choice.
He’s in Japan right now. If he says he’s fighting he could lose his visa which is why it’s not announced yet.
It will NOT be for the DREAM belt
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Thanks for this.
Weird that its not for the belt but it makes sense.
"Brock Lesnar's NCAA record 8 years removed is absolutely relevant. Alistair Overeem winning the K-1 World Grand Prix in 2010? A total Non sequitur that isn't worth debate."
Yep...this is why he took the fight with Overeem
He has a ton to gain.
1. He beats Overeem, that’s a ticket back to the UFC if there’s ever been one.
2. He loses to Overeem and still pockets 60k
3. He sure as hell didn’t get 60k offered to take on Big Foot Silva in Strikeforce who also would need him to sign a multiple fight deal.
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by Matthew Roth on Dec 23, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
if he gets paid at all...
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by AfroSamurai on Dec 23, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
FEG got the Puji money
I’d expect him to get paid.
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by Matthew Roth on Dec 23, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
He is too high profile not to.
Dream would never get another American fighter if they didn’t.
"Brock Lesnar's NCAA record 8 years removed is absolutely relevant. Alistair Overeem winning the K-1 World Grand Prix in 2010? A total Non sequitur that isn't worth debate."
Yeah, those are some of the same points I touched on
For sure got offered a ton more money, and punching a pass back into Zuffa would just be the cherry on top. Quite possibly the biggest fight this kid will ever have.
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by Charles Awad on Dec 23, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Now there is also a rumor that the kid hasn't been training
I don’t know how true it is but if it is, then this is just a payday grab. I hope he’s been training because this really is the most important fight he’ll ever have in his life. If he’s looking for quick cash then yep, he’s a failed prospect.
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by Matthew Roth on Dec 23, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Ugh
I heard the same like six weeks ago, but that was on account of him getting over his knee injury. I’ve gotta hope he’s been back in the gym this last month, or he’s toast.
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by Charles Awad on Dec 23, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
not a religious man but..
for this fight I believe Duffee should divide his time equally between the gym and a Church of some sort.
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by ShoNuffthaMasta on Dec 23, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Another thing to consider
He’s contracted to fight Abe Wagner 30 days later in KC I believe. There is no way he doesn’t end up getting injured in this fight unless he gets quick guillotined. He may have some legitimate legal issues going forward with the organization he signed to fight Wagner in.
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by Matthew Roth on Dec 23, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
maybe he should offer Overeem some of his money in exchange for a quick submission
then again Overeem seems like the type of person who really wants to hit people.
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by ShoNuffthaMasta on Dec 23, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Overeem
is doing fine with money I think.
"Brock Lesnar's NCAA record 8 years removed is absolutely relevant. Alistair Overeem winning the K-1 World Grand Prix in 2010? A total Non sequitur that isn't worth debate."
Oh he's talking about paying him off for a quick submission instead of risking injury.
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by Matthew Roth on Dec 23, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
yeah sorry
I didn’t make that very clear..I have been awake for like 36 hours now..
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by ShoNuffthaMasta on Dec 23, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think he's thinking about losing
He needs this to get his career back on track, or he’s in MMA limbo.
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by Charles Awad on Dec 23, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
I had considered that
I’d like to see if he had this approved with the other promotion, but that’s highly doubtful where it concerns these sorts of things. Lots for Duffee to consider in this situation..
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by Charles Awad on Dec 23, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
It's too big an opportunity to turn down
But he’s gotta be the headline matchup for Titan. Losing that main event would surely hurt ticket sales.
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by Matthew Roth on Dec 23, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Awesome
Also, got your DM. I didn’t even think of that so it was great advice.
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by Matthew Roth on Dec 23, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
This is Japan
Do we know that the rules aren’t going to be changed to make this into a pose off instead of a fight?
Uberknees from Muay Thai clinch!
Overeem must be happy he can finally do what he really wanted to do in the K1 GP. This is going to be awesome!
by Chris P. Bacon on Dec 23, 2010 12:38 PM EST reply actions
The money sounds awesome, and totally justifies him taking this fight
but that’s all with the assumption that he gets paid at all. I could be wrong but hasn’t there been issues over there with fighters not being paid?
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by Matthew Roth on Dec 23, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
Anybody know
How much Duffee made per fight in the UFC?
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10k (5&5) against Tim Hague
8k against Mike Russow
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by Matthew Roth on Dec 23, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
So
He’s making 6 times what he made in the UFC. Total win win for him.
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It's what happens when you take a last minute fight to lose
for an organization that desperately needs ratings.
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by Matthew Roth on Dec 23, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Well
He has a million times better chance at winning than Lashley.
"Brock Lesnar's NCAA record 8 years removed is absolutely relevant. Alistair Overeem winning the K-1 World Grand Prix in 2010? A total Non sequitur that isn't worth debate."
Anything can happen in MMA!!!!!
"Brock Lesnar's NCAA record 8 years removed is absolutely relevant. Alistair Overeem winning the K-1 World Grand Prix in 2010? A total Non sequitur that isn't worth debate."
OH...who has Alistair beat in MMA...
I did not know that he has beaten anyone…
well..
Duffee may have zero chance but Lashley probably has a negative percent chance.
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by ShoNuffthaMasta on Dec 23, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
Actually Lashley is a much better wrestler than Duffee and thus had a much better chance of beating Reem since both Duffee and Lashley have a zero percent chance of winning this fight standing.
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by The Darkness on Dec 23, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
this is an interesting fight
most likely overeem is gonna violently beat him down, but if duffee can plant overeem on his ass and unload some powerbombs anything can happen, the reem as been ko’d by smaller and weaker guys before
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Idk
It would be nice to see Reem take a big shot from Duffee just to watch him work through it.
Would shut up a lot of people about his chin.
"Brock Lesnar's NCAA record 8 years removed is absolutely relevant. Alistair Overeem winning the K-1 World Grand Prix in 2010? A total Non sequitur that isn't worth debate."
Nah.. that would just mean Duffee is pillowfisted.
by Horselover Fat on Dec 23, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
So many
dead horses.. so many…
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I don’t expect Duffee to win, but a loss shouldn’t hurt him too much. Also, if they just have a good fight for three rounds with Duffee losing a decision, that could potentially make Duffee look good as well if he hangs in there with someone like Overeem (not likely, but just saying). There’s not much for Duffee to lose here, and there’s a lot to gain, and he’s already making some very good money just taking the fight. Overeem has the most to lose here, and doesn’t gain much from a win (as far as rankings are concerned). I do like the fight though.
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Or I would not like this at all
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why
man you know how many roids duffee can do for this one?
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by Urijah Bieber on Dec 23, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
I guess Duffee didn't see the Reem's K1 wins
For Dynamite! he’s gonna wanna put in at least a 3-4 minute beating before the KO. So long ribs…
If Duffee has a decent showing, I expect him to sign with the UFC shortly after. It’s not for nothing he didn’t want to sign to fight Big Foot Silva and be stuck in Strikeforce afterwords… he wants to come back in the UFC, and a decent showing against Overeem pretty much garantees just that. And by decent showing, I mean not getting finished in like 60 seconds. If he does better than that, good enough, welcome back to the UFC!
I'm a skeptic but
it seems to me that Dana has it out for this kid..I think he might need to do a little more than survive to get back in the UFC…then again Dana does like to milk anything marketable until there is nothing left of them (see Kimbo Slice)
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by ShoNuffthaMasta on Dec 23, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
Hunt wasn't signed
he was owed a fight as part of the Pride acquisition.
by F'n Clownshoes on Dec 23, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
I was pissed off at Dream when I realized it wasn’t for the belt at first, but this is probably because Duffee likely only wanted a 1-fight contract, and Dream didn’t want to risk having Duffee win the title and then bolt to another organization right after.
true that. but if hes getting 60k to show and an unnamed win bonus
fuck it, hang around.
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by Urijah Bieber on Dec 23, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe Duffee doesn’t want to be stuck in an organization where he fights once every blue moon, collecting easy paychecks against cans?
As long as the checks clear, I doubt he would have an issue with that at this point (i.e. low career winnings) in his career…
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by The American Ronin on Dec 23, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
man if he needs a second job to make ends meet
earning more in one bout than he had in his entire career combined can’t hurt
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by Urijah Bieber on Dec 23, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Squash match
Lashley and then Duffee were approached because they are both easily beaten opponents for the Reem but have the ridiculous physique that the Japanese promoters love. Seriously, Reem vs Duffee is the physique matchup of the century, and the Japanese eat that shit up.
Still, this is a win/win for Duffee unless he gets KO’d in the first minute without throwing any offense of his own. Huge payday, that .01% chance of winning over a named opponent who does have the SF belt, and a huge boost to his name recognition.
Unfortunately for Duffee, his primary weapon is boxing, and he’s undoubtedly going to stand with Reem, who will just destroy him on the feet. Reem just won the K1 Grand Prix, which is the preeminent striking organization in the world, and Duffee, well, look no further than his fight with Russow. Its like putting an amateur boxer up against Tyson (Reem).
I’ll watch this fight AFTER the fact, UFC 125 is much more intriguing to me with more relevant, equal, and exciting fights schedules.
by Cocytus on Dec 23, 2010 1:56 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Who cares if it's for the Dream belt or not?
If Overeem is the Dream HW champ, and Duffee beats him, how could you not consider him the champ? What’s up w/ non-title fights if fighters are at the same weight class?
This is going to be on HDNet, right?
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by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Dec 23, 2010 3:00 PM EST reply actions
THIS:
“This is the best opponent Overeem has faced in MMA since he kicked Crocop’s nuts up into his stomach two years ago. Give both of these guys credit for stepping up to the plate on short notice and facing a guy with a ton of power. "
by aTn on Dec 23, 2010 3:47 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
lol
Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?
George Carlin
No, but
he still was back then, and Reem dominated him on the feet and on the ground until the groin strike. It was Jones vs Hammel level domination…
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by The American Ronin on Dec 24, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
"That was an appetizer Dana! I'm ready to eat!"
Well THIS mofo eat’s horsemeat, so what are you eating lately Duffee?
Anthony Pettis is my hero, my idol, my whole reason for sticking with MMA for 5 year's. Off-the-cage ninja kick FTMFW!
but what if
what if duffee wins, dana white would shit a brick
I would have liked Lashley VS Ubereem...
But Duffee will be a decent show also. It’s funny some people are calling Duffee a can. He had that quick KO, and all the keyboard warriors were saying how he would KO Brock in 10sec or less….then he loses to a guy who is a decent fighter..and now Duffee is a can…..
This this this.
One loss and he’s a can… Come on.
by Rob Young on Dec 23, 2010 5:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't see Duffee getting back into the ufc...
if he loses to the #2 promotions HW champ. Duffee was a much hyped prospect, him getting killed kills his chances of a ufc run because I don’t think DW would risk signing him and having him win the title, I think it would sem to the casual fan that the ufc does not have the best fighters and everything the ufc does is geared towards casuals.
Seriously??
Maybe it’s the Visa thing rearing its head? They’re pretending it’s off?
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by Charles Awad on Dec 23, 2010 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
dont see that
there is a post on the 22nd saying its off , then one on the 23rd saying its on.
"Brock Lesnar's NCAA record 8 years removed is absolutely relevant. Alistair Overeem winning the K-1 World Grand Prix in 2010? A total Non sequitur that isn't worth debate."
My teenage self is dating this fight
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by Charles Awad on Dec 24, 2010 2:14 AM EST up reply actions
Could Duffee be a big star in Japan?
Everyone is highlighting Duffee’s upside as perhaps having a quick way back to the UFC. I think that Todd could maybe make some serious money in Japan, and I’m not speaking of 60k guaranteed show money.
Its rather unlikely Duffee can win this match, but if he were to defeat the K-1 Champ on this highly important card he could be thrusted into Japanese culture. He’s got the cartoon physique that they love, so maybe he could be a really big hit there.
by Schwizzles on Dec 23, 2010 6:34 PM EST via mobile reply actions
This is a battle of physiques
Both dudes look like living HeMan action figures, so if Duffman has a good showing, he could easily be invited back.
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That's what I'm saying!
I won’t claim to understand the Japanese in general, much less their celebrity culture, but it seems that nearly everyone likes big yoked up dudes. We love it here in the US, and they certainly get down with it in Japan.
This is the country that embraced Bob Sapp as a megastar. I don’t know exactly what Todd would need to do to breakout there, but he’s got a good setup here.
Duffee Vs Sapp
in a slap fight! Do eet!
by Chris Hines on Dec 23, 2010 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
He it’s not like a 4-1 or less fighter has been given a title shot, oh wait.
War Overeem!
Food goes in here
Yeah! Look at the stiffs Lesnar fought!
Accustomed to mediocrity.
by SSreporters on Dec 23, 2010 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
Regardless this is still one of the better fights he can get under the circumstances
Imagine if this was in the UFC, people would probably be behind it.
Joe Rogan: Alistair Overeem vs Todd Duffee is going to be one of the most exciting fights in the HW division. Overeem won the K-1 GP and is one of the most technical and strongest strikers in MMA.
Dana: Duffee, coming off that loss to Russow, this is the fight to find out if Todd Duffee is the real deal.
Joe Rogan: Todd Duffee demolished Tim Hague and is only 25 years old, one of the top prospects in the UFC HW division.
Dana: These guys are going to go to the center of the Octagon and they’re gonna start banging,.
Food goes in here
by Pandanus on Dec 23, 2010 11:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't forget Duffee is "ever-improving".
Accustomed to mediocrity.
by SSreporters on Dec 23, 2010 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
Nice
Overeem has nothing to gain here and a lot to lose.
Would Strikeforce sign TODDDUFFEE if he beat Ubereem? I mean there’s a 1 in a trillion chance this happens but would they market him as “Hey, he beat the champ”?
Accustomed to mediocrity.
that is why
he’s a true champ.
unlike play it safe george :D
"Brock Lesnar's NCAA record 8 years removed is absolutely relevant. Alistair Overeem winning the K-1 World Grand Prix in 2010? A total Non sequitur that isn't worth debate."
By that logic
Cain Velasquez should go to Bellator and fight Neil Grove in a Superfight. Nothing to gain and a lot to lose!
Accustomed to mediocrity.
by SSreporters on Dec 23, 2010 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
And "play it safe" George?
What?
Accustomed to mediocrity.
by SSreporters on Dec 23, 2010 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
If Duffee somehow pulls the win off
How quickly is Dana on the phone to get him back?
well
he could just decide to hate him irrationally.
"Brock Lesnar's NCAA record 8 years removed is absolutely relevant. Alistair Overeem winning the K-1 World Grand Prix in 2010? A total Non sequitur that isn't worth debate."
by VelociAldo on Dec 23, 2010 10:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Duffee not in japan
Duffee was training today at grudge training center with mike whitehead at around 7pm. There’s no way Duffee is in Japan yet. but he’s definitely fighting him
Should be an easy fight for Overeem
But duffee can still find his chin! This should be a good fight either way.
I smell upset for some reason
that being said, the reem needs some credible opponents to put him in the UFC crosshairs, if he can beat Duffee soundly he will definately legitimize himself as a top HW, I’m all up for seeing the Reem in the UFC, his website is awesome, incredible strength but I still am sceptical sure he tossed rogers around like a ragdoll but anyone can throw someone with horrible footwork.
Duffee all this time should have been working on his punch combo, hopefully he doesnt repeat the same thing 10000 times before he gets evaporated by the reems fists
I want to see a Reem flying Knee KO of the Duffman crosses fingers
Fedor couldn’t rag Rogers like that, yes he singled legged him but nothing like what Overeem did.
Duffee is too predictable. That being said MMA wise this is a good fight under the short notice and available fighters.
Food goes in here
props to duffee
i thought he wasn’t gonna step up but i was wrong it was lashley who wussed off, needed that extra 20k
Todd isn't 100%...
…and there isn’t enough time to get 100% ready…
Sounds like making excuses in advance… He’s got even less to lose (other than a few brain cells, or a few teeth) now that he’s said he isn’t ready… if he loses, he wasn’t 100% ready and was supposed to lose, no big deal. If he wins, he’s the next big thing to hit the HW division. If he doesn’t get destroyed, he will have surprised everyone because he wasn’t put to sleep in 60 seconds. Win, Win, Win for him.
How can you really be 100% on 2 weeks notice?
Overeem also just fought 3 times in one night.
Lets just enjoy the shellacking by Overeem.
Food goes in here
With everything else going on, this feels like a legitimate bonus fight,.
by Dooda on Dec 24, 2010 3:26 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I approve
1. This was more or less always meant to be a showcase fight for Overeem to celebrate winning the GP, no matter who they picked, it was going to be someone extremely beatable.
2. Between Lashley and Duffee, Duffee is the more legit of the two. Lashley was a pro-wrestler who beat up on, and even lost to more or less total cans. Duffee finished every one of his opponents, dusted Hague in 7 seconds, and was wrecking Russow(a man who is 11-1) before getting caught.
3. For Duffee, it is a no loss scenario. He has his fight with Abe Wagner set up for the end of January. For Duffee one thing is certain, he is getting a huge payday for this fight. Another thing is almost certain, win or lose, he is very very likely to win the fight against Wagner. If he wins, he shocks the world and will likely find himself back in the UFC in 2011. If he loses, he gets credit for stepping up against such a high level opponent, and still has his rebound fight waiting for him.
I like Duffee, but understand this decision on his part. I hope Overeem doesn’t injure him and keep him from fighting Wagner. Duffee is no less than the 2nd most legit heavyweight Overeem will hold a win over(Cro Cop was a no contest) depending on how you rate Rogers. I personally would take Rogers in a fight with Duffee, but I wouldn’t hate Duffee’s chances.
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Alistair Overeem - StrikeForce HeavyWeight Champion, K-1 2010 World Grand Prix Champion
by Chris Groves on Dec 24, 2010 4:31 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Duffee Vs Rogers
I was thinking Rogers would probably be the favorite in that fight as well but I could see just about any heavyweight with a real chance at gold beating him.
by Chris Hines on Dec 25, 2010 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
I would say he's the third most legit...
HW Overeem would hold a win over since Alistair also beat Sergei Kharitonov just after Kharitonov had beaten Werdum.
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