Will Royce Gracie Return When the UFC Hits Rio?
The UFC was originally designed to showcase Royce Gracie and his Brazilian Jiu Jitsu fighting style. Royce's older brother Rorion was one of the co-founders of the UFC and he handpicked Royce, a singularly unintimidating individual, to show that BJJ was truly a martial art whose secrets could empower a smaller weaker man to defeat a larger, stronger one.
Royce certainly offered up proof of concept as he won tournaments at UFC 1, 2, and 4 and battled Ken Shamrock to a thirty minute-plus draw at UFC 5. In the course of those events Royce beat shootfighters, kickboxers, wrestlers, brawlers, kung fu fighters, karatekas and completely turned the martial arts world on its head.
He left the UFC in a dispute over money and didn't return until 2006.
A couple of years after Royce left a desperate SEG owned UFC went to Brazil to avoid scrutiny from American authorities and held and event that saw then middleweight (now light heavyweight) champ Frank Shamrock defeat John Lober in a rematch and young Brazilians Vitor Belfort and Wanderlei Silva go at it.
When Royce returned at UFC 60 he headlined the UFC's biggest ever Pay Per View up to that point. Royce lost badly to Matt Hughes, but his return caught the attention of many casual fans who had watched the early UFC's in the 1990s and tuned out in the dark ages. In conjunction with Tito Ortiz' series of wins over Gracie's old rival Ken Shamrock, Hughes' win over Gracie gave the new generation legitimacy in the eyes of fans.
When Dana White and Zuffa held a UFC press conference to announce their return to Brazil in 2011, Royce was a on the podium with current Brazilian UFC champs Mauricio Rua, Anderson Silva, Jose Aldo and contender Vitor Belfort. Royce told reporters that his return to the Octagon for the event was "in negotiations".
Jake Rossen offers odds on who Royce might face:
Ken Shamrock (10-1)
Good story, terrible fight. Shamrock may be so scorched that he probably can't shoot a takedown, which would mean Royce would try to drag him down in his guard. But Shamrock allegedly owes Zuffa court fees over a contract dispute, and this would be one way of working it off. (Biggest obstacle: Gracie would have to drink a ton of water to weigh in at the minimum 186 pounds for a fight at 205.) Maybe more appropriate for the 20th anniversary of the UFC in 2013, but that assumes Shamrock isn't in traction by then.Kazushi Sakuraba (12-1)
He split two fights with Gracie, including a 2000 bout that, at 90 minutes, was "The Godfather" of MMA matches. Getting him would require negotiating with Dream/Japan, and although that's not impossible, it's probably not worth the hassle.
Matt Hughes (20-1)
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He also offered odds on the following: James Toney (60-1), Roy Jones Jr. (100-1), Yoshihiro Akiyama (10-1), Wallid Ismail (3-1).
It's pretty much impossible for me to wrap my head around Royce fighting in 2011 so I can't even speculate on who might be a likely opponent. Of those that Rossen listed, my vote goes with Ken Shamrock if only as a way to help Ken get out of debt to the UFC. Both fighters are so old and shot that it seems like the least dangerous alternative. I certainly have no desire to see Royce battered by a young bruiser like Akiyama.
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i'd actually support this
basically cause why the fuck not, have it be on the spike prelims opening the card up
roy jones would be awesome yet highly unlikely
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let's be honest
gracie vs shamrock would be epic…IF…
they were both in their prime, not over-the-hill.
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As long as they’re equally out of their prime (and they are), it should be a fairly interesting match. Which one still has 10% of their prime greatness (as opposed to 5%)? I’d love to see that match. It’d be a lot better than Couture/Toney, that’s for sure. A pretty much still in his prime (crazy to say, but still true!) MMA legend against a fat/over the hill boxer in his first MMA match ever? Come on. That was just stupid. Royce/Ken wouldn’t be stupid or crazy, it’d just be two old rivals going at it again. Do it, UFC!
It’d be a lot better than Couture/Toney
Barely.
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From a competitive standpoint it would be much better.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 22, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
…as it would from a historical standpoint too. Royce wouldn’t come back to prove he’s still as good as the new guard of MMA (like his fight with Hughes). It’d be to prove a point that he’s still better than Shamrock. It’d be great!
I think there should be 2 options
1) rematch of the UFC 1 final vs Gerard Gordeau
2) Dana cruises the streets of Rio, finds a random guy and says, so you wanna be a fucking fighter? Then throw him in with Royce.
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by keyboardwarrior on Dec 22, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
In my opinion
Any option sounds awful.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Dec 22, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
And Strikeforce gets shit for there matchmaking.....
Funny how the world works.
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They really aren’t that different. Ken lost to the poor man’s Tank Abbott. Unknown Can or Walker would be an easy pick over Shamrock.
by VirtualBalboa on Dec 22, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
No thank you
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by Damon O. on Dec 22, 2010 12:54 PM EST reply actions 12 recs
If Renzo looked bad
I can’t imagine how Royce will at this point. Then again it’s safe to say e’ll probably fare better than Holles did.
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I was just thinking the same thing. Renzo’s fight in Abu Dhabi was horrible enough, I really don’t want to see Royce in the cage again. Dude is 44 years old.. save these kind of worthless nostalgia fights to the local circuit please.
by Horselover Fat on Dec 22, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Bring back Dustin hazelet. Tell me it doesn’t sound at least a little appealing
by RoB_ex on Dec 22, 2010 12:57 PM EST via mobile reply actions
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only on paper vieeeew.
Yeah...protect you thumb...it's the only thing that differentiates you from the monkey...
by dancingChicken on Dec 22, 2010 1:05 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Royce makes sense in Brazil because the UFC might not bother to drug test for PEDs too. Honestly, I would pay to see the Ken Shamrock fight. I might be mentally ill for saying that, but I still care on some level. I’d also pay to see him fight Wallid.
Maybe...
Royce-Randy (I can see him fighting this because he has always wanted to fight a Gracie. Maybe a catchweight.?That would be only sticking point and it would be hard.)
Royce-Hughes (Rematch)
Royce-Trigg (Interesting possibility)
Royce-Saukraba (Dont see that happening unless Saukraba has an open contract)
Royce-BJ (If BJ loses he has fought a Gracie before and he would be definitely in the dumps for this to happen.)
Royce-Shamrock (Maybe, if Ken can pass his tests but once again weight problem would be issue here)
Royce- Carlos Newton (Might be interesting fight)
Royce- Shonie Carter (He would probably come out of retirement for this one)
Royce vs BJ Penn would be criminal, and would result in homicide.
"Caol Uno was like Mutoh. He developed into a star overseas and then returned to his home country a much bigger deal. Dokonjonosuke Mishima is like Kobashi because they both do moonsaults. Don Frye is like Stan Hansen because they are both fat dumb rednecks with mustaches." - Jonathan Snowden
by RagingNoodles on Dec 22, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
A MUCH better idea in my opinion
Would be to do a fan expo, and have gracie in a grappling match against a good ufc grappler. That way, since this is the first Brasilian UFC in forever, you can get some good hype for the bout, and have a lot of fan interaction… AND… there’s one less uncompetitive mma rules bout. There’s no way Gracie will be competitive in an mma match, imo.
by p0wn on Dec 22, 2010 1:20 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
love royce, but
his last fight was in 07!
UFC should sign Roger before august, if they want a Gracie in there…
rumours are flying that wallid ismail was offered a fight at this card
so that would make the most sense. I know that rivalry means absolutely nothing in this hemisphere but it still might hold some traction in brazil
Maybe Royce v. Maia?
"A fight is not won by one punch or kick. Either learn to endure or hire a bodyguard." - Bruce Lee
I think you’re right, but I was hoping that that matchup would lead to a really great ground fight. I love watching really technical BJJ, especially Maia’s.
I was thinking maybe even Royce v. BJ, but I guess that would be the same thing.
"A fight is not won by one punch or kick. Either learn to endure or hire a bodyguard." - Bruce Lee
Royce vs Zuluzinho
If you are going to do a freak show, at least do it right.
They do have unfinished business.
And pretty sure Royce just ducked him when they were supposed to fight last, rather than risk a savage beating… But who could blame ol’ Royce; that was one serious mullet and wife-beater…
Although...
An Art Jimmerson rematch would be a better draw….
It'll never happen...
But how about Pat Miletich? Can be his Hall fight ala Mark Coleman. Of course, you can’t be in the UFC Hall if you don’t get along with Dana…. But he would be the perfect opponent IMO.
If they really want Royce
I’d rather him do a jiu jitsu demo and then exhibition grappling match with one of the other Gracies (Rickson or Renzo?) or maybe a guy like Maia. It wouldn’t have to be on the televised part of the card but I’d think Brazilian MMA fans would be into it.
Everyone gets to see the legend, but we don’t have to see him getting his ass beat. And lets be honest we’d all rather see Royce in the gi…
It has worked before:
This is actually a neat idea.
"Caol Uno was like Mutoh. He developed into a star overseas and then returned to his home country a much bigger deal. Dokonjonosuke Mishima is like Kobashi because they both do moonsaults. Don Frye is like Stan Hansen because they are both fat dumb rednecks with mustaches." - Jonathan Snowden
by RagingNoodles on Dec 22, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
it wouldn't have to be very long or be televised
take 15 minutes between fights, play a Royce tribute video, let him walk into the Octagon and do like 10 minute demo and thats it.
Sure… but I’d much rather have them put an actual fight instead of wasting time for a demo… at least a fight could result in something spectacular and make its way to the PPV broadcast.
wasting time?
it just using 15 minutes that would other wise be dead time at an event, wouldn’t have to take up PPV time, just be something for the live fans, maybe happen before the live card starts.
I don’t think Royce will do anything that will make its way on to a PPV beyond getting beat and what would be the point of that?
I don’t see how showing respect and paying tribute to one of the pioneers of Mixed Martial Arts is wasting time. Back at UFC 45, one of the best parts of that event was seeing Royce and Ken get honored and inducted as HOF members. Something like 10 or 15 minutes in Brazil is a nice gesture both to the Gracie family and to the fans who hold Royce in high regard for his accomplishments in the early 1990s.
"Caol Uno was like Mutoh. He developed into a star overseas and then returned to his home country a much bigger deal. Dokonjonosuke Mishima is like Kobashi because they both do moonsaults. Don Frye is like Stan Hansen because they are both fat dumb rednecks with mustaches." - Jonathan Snowden
by RagingNoodles on Dec 22, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know about a demo
But an exhibition grappling match interests me a whole lot more than a fight.
Not sure if the UFC would be open to the idea of doing an open-weight contest, but if they were I’d like to see Royce in a rematch with Dan Severn.
by RichHill on Dec 22, 2010 2:15 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
No.....Just...no
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Court Mcgee at 185
young vs old… If he looses it wont be that bad losing to the UFC’s younger crop and if he wins that wont completely destroy court’s momentum
Worst suggestion so far in the thread, congrats. And yes of course it would destroy his “momentum”, Royce was good back in the day but now he’s waaaay over the hill, and it would take a complete bum as opponent for him to win.
by Horselover Fat on Dec 22, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
despite your uncomfortable aggression i still disagree… I know Court would win but its not a mismatch as most MW or WW in the ufc and taking another former UFC fighter out of retirement is much less interesting.
Sorry about that, I probably could have phrased that nicer. Just something about your suggestion and the overall situation of us even discussing this (Royce, 44, UFC) that makes me a tad irritated I guess. I think they will need someone with some kind of name value, and previous connection to Royce, while also not being too young and able to hurt him too much. So preferably an equal old-timer like say Ken Shamrock or Dan Severn or whatever. Fighting a young up-and-comer with no name value makes no sense at all from any perspective, IMO.
Most of all I don’t want to see him fight in MMA ever again though.
by Horselover Fat on Dec 22, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
“Most of all I don’t want to see him fight in MMA ever again though”
agreed
yay a made a friend on bloody elbow and my mom said i could never make a friend
Anyway i agree about not wanting him to fight but if its gonna happen i think i should be against someone who has a name but isnt unstopable… as opposed to a former ufc guy who would be fighting just for a give me match.
Royce also told reporters in 2009 he was in discussions to fight GSP. Is he really being offered a fight?
you never know. royce can command a lot of cash
in the last 5 years or so it was from japan, now he’s probably hitting up UFC for cash.
by destructivist on Dec 22, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Royce is a legend, but he’s also a bit insane. Just barely in late 2008 (in a video interview that aired in early 2009), he was claiming it was UFC and the boxing commission who were starting trouble by falsely accusing him of doing performance enhancing drugs (in his 2nd fight with Sakuraba). Saying that they were doing this because they want to control the show, dictate who wins and who loses…
So him saying that there were discussions that he was going to fight the greatest fighter on the planet in 2009 sound like bullshit to me. No disrespect to Royce is meant, his silliness is sometimes charming in its own weird way.
"Caol Uno was like Mutoh. He developed into a star overseas and then returned to his home country a much bigger deal. Dokonjonosuke Mishima is like Kobashi because they both do moonsaults. Don Frye is like Stan Hansen because they are both fat dumb rednecks with mustaches." - Jonathan Snowden
by RagingNoodles on Dec 22, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
Have Gracie's ever fought each other? Would Renzo and Royce really fight each other if the price was right?
I’m not really familiar with Gracie politics.
Please NO
Royce is a legend and deserves respect but in the big scheme of things he would get destroyed by most decent BJJ practitioners today as BJJ is an ever evolving, growing sport. Royce submitted everyone back in the day who had little to no ground skills. To assume he would have the slightest of chances to win against anyone with some stand-up, a half decent sprawl and acceptable ground skills is more fantasy than reality. The Matt Hughes fight, as mentioned in the article was a prime example of the passing of the garb.

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