UFC Star Chris Leben Talks DUI Arrest
by Nate Wilcox on Dec 20, 2010 6:33 PM EST
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UFC middleweight Chris Leben was arrested in October for suspicion of operating a vehicle under the influence of an intoxicant following an accident. In 2008, Chris Leben turned himself into authorities on a previous DUI charge and was sentenced to 35 days in jail.
He'll be facing Brian Stann at UFC 125.
The arrest marred an other wise great year for Leben. He had a great 2010 in the Octagon going 3-0 with wins over Yoshihiro Akiyama, Aaron Simpson and Jay Silva.
Ben Fowlkes talked to Leben about the DUI arrest:
To hear Leben tell it, he "kind of messed up" when he "went down and had a couple of beers with some of the guys from my gym right before I left after practice." When he got in his new truck and headed for home, he said, he wasn't intoxicated, but did have some alcohol in his system.
"I'd bought a new truck, and I had never drove a truck before. It had just rained. Apparently I stepped on the gas a little too hard so I kind of slid out and hit the embankment of the highway, and the cops were working right there, so they saw me," said Leben.
"Somebody told me, you know, you're not supposed to blow [into a Breathalyzer] if you get pulled over. I don't know, I guess my lawyer says that's not necessarily the case now, but I didn't blow. I didn't take the test, just because I know that in Hawaii if you get in an accident [the legal blood-alcohol limit is] .05 if there's an accident, not even .08, so it's super-duper low. I definitely wasn't hammered, but I was definitely in the wrong. I didn't blow so, you know, who knows what's going to happen now."
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Doesn't sound as bad as it could've been
Driving after drinking even a little is pretty stupid though
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Sigh
Chris Leben should learn how to chill out and not get into trouble all the f*cking time.
I can just picture him getting arrested for DUI for the hundred time when he’s 45.
Again, glad I didn’t immediately bury someone because the cops said they did something. In Colorado, refusal to submit means you lose your license for a year, but that’s the DMV’s call – it’s outside of the criminal realm, since driving is a privilege and whatnot.
.05 is probably the floor for DWAI in Hawaii. .08 for DUI is a federally mandated limit. Maybe it is more strict in Hawaii, and that’s absurd, because two beers in an hour and a half will get you there, and methinks Chris can probably handle his booze a little better than that. Either way, absent him blowing/submitting, it’s impossible for anyone on this board to say he was driving drunk.
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by Derek Suboticki on Dec 20, 2010 6:39 PM EST reply actions
Heeeey how about this
Don’t fucking drink and drive. At all. Problem solved. It’s not about how much a person can handle, it’s about using your damn brain.
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by Tim Burke on Dec 20, 2010 6:43 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
So one drop of alcohol? Is that the rubric? Or does the law itself state that you can in fact imbibe and then drive if sufficient time has passed?
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by Derek Suboticki on Dec 20, 2010 6:51 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I get your point
But agoraphobia isn’t far from that. It’s a choice, but a good one to make.
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by Charles Awad on Dec 20, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
Your opinion is simply ignorant.
MADD and other lobbying groups like to call it drunk driving and its an easy issue to push for increasingly lower limits. We are at the point where it should be driving whilst having seen a beer commercial. The risk of driving while .05 is significantly lower than the risk of driving when you are tired, but I doubt you take a nap before every time you drive. Your argument simply shows that you have fallen for political propaganda rather than actually researching the topic.
Or I’ve got a DUI and don’t ever want another one. That could be it too.
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by Tim Burke on Dec 20, 2010 7:14 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
IM a mp in the military
And have played around with breathalyzers aplenty. I weight 159 and 1 3/4 will make me blow a .08 if drank within a hr. I as well as many Americans can drink far more then that. I don’t even notice I’ve drank off that much yet it’s enough to fail a test. Standard tactics is what we prefered to use alternate to a breath test. That way you can actually judge a person through the eye and balance test. Given they have a bad back they can opt to a breath test. You cam drink nyquil at my weight blow a .02. I’m in no way condoning drunk driving but saying the test is rubbish.
by Bloodsport on Dec 20, 2010 8:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I hate iPhone auto correct it takes my words and misspells them. I even tell my wife that when I’m an hr late. Damn phone said 10 I typed 11 but anyways I meant 1 3/4 beers
by Bloodsport on Dec 20, 2010 8:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Most comes where I live will have you go through the sobriety test and still give you the breathalizer no matter how well you do. If you blow over .08 you still get the DUI. Only thing that can get you out of it is to fight it in court and hopefully the judge weighs all the evidence and lowers the offense. The DMV still suspends your license though since you are over .08 despite what the court does.
The reason as to why drinking and driving is illegal at levels far below the point where you stagger and stutter is that staggering and stuttering isn`t really the issue. Reaction-time, split vision and impaired judgement calls are.
The reasoning behind “0.05 is not really any more dangerous than driving while your tired” is not valid either. What if you have a drunken driver that partied all night, slept 3 hours and then got caught DUI? Should he be punished harder than someone who drinks “a couple of beers” and then gets out on a busy road?
The same reasoning goes for poor road-conditions or poor visibility. If you drink and drive in a blizzard… and crash, I for one won`t be more leniant towards the offender.
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by BlueberryMuffin on Dec 21, 2010 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
whatever you say....
*beer*monster….
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by RolloTomasi on Dec 21, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
That MADD panel killed me. I got to sit for a full two hours with my .000 BAC and watch slide show montages set to Van Halen.
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by Derek Suboticki on Dec 20, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
It’s rather frightening that you wave off drinking an driving as a trivial political agenda. I have lost a family member due to drunk driving, and I don’t think it should be taken as lightly as you or Derek.
by castleeb on Dec 20, 2010 7:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
While its a sad thing when an innocent person dies or is hurt because of someone elses mistake, making laws based on a emotional reaction is never good.
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Then how about some numbers. Over ten thousand automobile accident deaths (in 2008) were alcohol related. That’s accounts for 32% of all car accident deaths in that year. I’m not a frequent preacher, but if we could chip away at a large chunk of one of the largest contributors to early death in our country, I don’t understand why we wouldn’t.
But what is the rate of alcohol related accidents above the rate of expected accidents if we control for other variables. The fact is that having a BAC of .08 is less of an impairment on driving than being sleepy. Additionally, I am not claiming that there is not a point in which alcohol is too impairing to drive, but .08 is not it.
And all of these happened in spite of the regulation already in place. Drunk driving is an irrational decision inspired by being drunk. Laws will not change this. Just like the death-penalty doesn’t reduce any of the crimes it punishes. It just steps up the consequences for the people who perpetrate them.
To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.
Driving under the influence is a terrible and stupid thing that creates thousands of tragedies a year.
I truly feel for your loss, both sympathy and empathy.
That said, there is a lot of political lobbying around the issue, and that’s a fact. Just like drinking age, it’s a political game rather than a reasonable or moral one.
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subo still defending the drunk drivers. Unbelievable.
by Jonathan Snowden on Dec 20, 2010 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
- No one defends an actual DRUNK driver for free.
by AHutch on Dec 20, 2010 9:27 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Yes, that's what I was doing there
The law is the law, and the law says there are degrees.
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by Derek Suboticki on Dec 20, 2010 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
The point isn't that anybody is pro-drinking and driving
Just that there’s a difference between getting nabbed on a technicality and legitimately placing people at risk, and .05 BAC as a deciding measure of whether you’re a danger to others is excessively low
How can you even question that?
Alcohol and driving should never mix. Tolerance is a non-issue. If you’re going to drink, someone else needs to drive.
Even as much as I like Leben, I still recognize that what he did was pretty damn stupid.
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by McKinley B. Noble on Dec 20, 2010 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
For Leben: Hell yeah. That guy should not touch alcohol at all. All he should get his hands on is an AA-coin and a camp full of guys that will not enable him by going out for beers.
To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.
Whoa whoa whoa...
we all care about Chris, but cults are never the answer.
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I'm not aware of any law that says the legal BAC is .05 if you get in an accident. I work in law and have never seen anything less than a .08 prosecuted.
Sounds like he just has some bad information. Like whoever told him he shouldn’t blow is an idiot. If you don’t blow, you get an automatic one year license suspension.
I used to drive a school bus.
In Illinois that dropped the limit.I have heard of those getting prosecuted, although thats a slightly differed scenario.
Could you please further elaborate on the punishment for refusal of the breathalyzer? My current impression (what the police told me when I got pulled over) was that you can choose not to blow at the scene, but then they will cuff you and take you to the station where they will present you with the option to blow again. Is the one year license suspension applicable upon the second refusal of the breathalyzer test at the station?
by Goat choker 1 on Dec 20, 2010 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
I heard he was arrested without insurance as well, not a fantastic idea
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Why the fuck would someone drive without auto insurance? It's really important to have and it's like less than $100 for full coverage.
If you’re not Chris Leben, that is. Still, the ticket for no insurance is ridiculous and DWOI is a mandatory Court appearance here.
by Brandon Starr on Dec 20, 2010 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
I pay $135 monthly for liability coverage.
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by Derek Suboticki on Dec 20, 2010 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe he doesn't drive a 92 Corolla?
It’s no different here. If you’re paying less than 100 for full coverage you’re an old lady with a clean record or you’ve got a shit car.
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by Charles Awad on Dec 20, 2010 6:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I have a $35,000 2006 F150 Supercrew with a V8 actually.
Maybe it’s because I have it tied in with my homeowners insurance. Or maybe he sideswiped an elderly couple. Yep, I can see below he was involved in an accident. Thank you for your input.
by Brandon Starr on Dec 20, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't mean you specifically
I’m just saying, around these parts, it’s kinda expensive.
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by Charles Awad on Dec 20, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
You and Blackout should get along, then
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by Derek Suboticki on Dec 20, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not defensive, I'm offensive
Get it straight, subo.
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by Charles Awad on Dec 20, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
Keep that pimp hand strong
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by Barack Lesnar on Dec 20, 2010 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
While we’re playing the thesaurus game, let’s toss in ‘abrasive’ :-D
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by Derek Suboticki on Dec 20, 2010 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
I'll accept that
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by Charles Awad on Dec 20, 2010 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
He's ripping me off.
I called you abrasive a week ago in the “updating the UFC production” fanpost!
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I didn't see that
YOU JERK!
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by Charles Awad on Dec 20, 2010 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
I love that one.
My boss uses that for pretty much anybody he hates. They have an “abrasive” personality.
by Brandon Starr on Dec 20, 2010 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
My boss just… oh, wait. That’s right.
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by Derek Suboticki on Dec 20, 2010 7:04 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
My boss does the same
And I’m my boss.
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by Charles Awad on Dec 20, 2010 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
I heard you play both offense and defense
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Little old ladies are some of the worst drivers I have ever seen. For a few years now, I’ve driven during the day (non-working stiffs hours) and the sheer amount of grey terrors out on the streets give me heebie jeebies.
It’s only the diminished traffic that lets them get away with the insanity they pull on a regular basis.
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No – when I was 19, I was sideswiped by an elderly couple. Of course, they both tell the cop that I left my lane, not that they didn’t check their blind spot and clipped my tire. I got stuck with fault, and that shit sticks with you.
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by Derek Suboticki on Dec 20, 2010 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
He should try out for the Trailblazers
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by Barack Lesnar on Dec 20, 2010 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
which leads me to believe, given his past, he's jailbound
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by Austin Martin on Dec 20, 2010 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
Anywhere but Hawaii. They are very lenient here with most crimes; felonies included.
My wife is a Maui Police Officer and she arrested a guy the other day that had 8 prior felonies. 8. My uncle in Washington is doing life for getting 3 felonies. It’s ridiculous.
by Brandon Starr on Dec 20, 2010 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
I too have Unlces in prison in Washington. Walla Walla?
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by Barack Lesnar on Dec 20, 2010 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
Chumps don’t go to Walla Walla
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by Barack Lesnar on Dec 20, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
Leben looks like he’s under the influence when he fights.
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by CSC Memorabilia on Dec 20, 2010 6:47 PM EST reply actions
Really?
Leben just looks like he’s under the influence, period.
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by McKinley B. Noble on Dec 20, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What do we know: Chris Leben got arrested for DUI. Chris Leben has been arrested for the same offence before. Chris Leben has admitted to having issues with alcohol earlier in his life. Chris Leben skidded off the road. He was driving on wet roads.
What have we HEARD: Chris Leben:“I only had a couple of beers”. Well. Interesting, but not very surprising. What that means is that Chris Leben says the EXACT SAME THING as almost any DUI in the history of DUI`s. That is all we know, no more, no less. Chris Leben then says he didn`t blow cause he wanted to get away from prosecution. Chris Leben says that he knew he had done something illegal and that he would get caught. No more, no less. He then claims that he drove a car that he didn`t know how to drive. On wet roads. If you choose to find that to be in his favor, so be it.
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by BlueberryMuffin on Dec 21, 2010 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
I’m glad the author clarifies ‘into a breathalyser’. Leaving it at not blowing when the police pull you over leaves a little too much wiggle room with regard interpretation.
by Abid on Dec 20, 2010 6:50 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I don't have a problem with someone having a couple and going home, provided they can pass a breathalyser
But one thing I’ll never understand is why, after you’ve been charged with a DUI, you would ever risk getting another one. I have a friend that has three DUI’s and each of them were just barely over the legal limit. He laments how the system won’t set him free and how he’s got the worst luck in the world and I’m like “hey, why don’t you just not drive at all if you’ve had anything to drink…. at all”.
Can’t feel bad for someone when this happens to them a second time.
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by Charles Awad on Dec 20, 2010 6:52 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
or he could just learn how to not suck ass at driving. in 10 years, i’ve never been pulled over by a police officer once. If you get pulled over 3 times in a few years, regardless of drinking, he probably just sucks at driving. a lot of problems can be solved by not sucking at driving.
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by eastcoastatlas on Dec 20, 2010 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, no kidding
I can’t imagine alcohol helps him if he’s a shit driver to start.
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by Charles Awad on Dec 20, 2010 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe it’s like pool, he needs to have a certain number of drinks to be in the zone, driving wise.
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I am a 2-4 beer bowler. I am terrible before and after.
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by Derek Suboticki on Dec 20, 2010 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
Haha
I have a great memory unless I’ve had 2-6 beers. Before and after that, I’ve got the memory of an elephant.
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by Charles Awad on Dec 20, 2010 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
Read again
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 20, 2010 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
Watch yesterday's 60 Minutes
Your memory ain’t shit, and neither is mine.
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by Derek Suboticki on Dec 20, 2010 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't say I was Rain Man
But I’ve got you, for sure.
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by Charles Awad on Dec 20, 2010 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
Well, you're lucky.
It takes about one, and I’m asleep – so I’m not even awake to remember anything.
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by McKinley B. Noble on Dec 20, 2010 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
In what zone?
Do you mean – the DANGER ZONE?
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by McKinley B. Noble on Dec 20, 2010 9:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He’s from Portland probably thought trucks drive just like Subarus
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by Barack Lesnar on Dec 20, 2010 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
I got my first DUI...
…When I was 17 years, 363 days old in Arizona (2 days before my 18th for the math whiz’s out there :P). My court date was set for 3 weeks later, and even though I was 17 when arrested, they decided to charge me as an adult, since the court date was after the fact (stupid, but whatever).
Luckily, I was able to get it reduced to reckless driving, and it didn’t have a significant impact on my life. A couple years later, when I started driving regularly (it was a friends car with bad alignment in AZ, I was just visiting from Cali) I would go out to parties, knowing I was gonna be drinking, and I would still take my car. I never got terribly faded, but still. I finally realized how stupid I was, and how little self control I had over myself to knowingly drive when I knew I was going to be drinking. I knew I would just continue along the same path for as long as I had a car, so I did the only rational thing I could think of : I quit drinking! :)
And my first DUI was my last.
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by RearNakedChoker on Dec 20, 2010 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
What Leben’s probably talking about in terms of the .05 is this, from the Hawaii criminal code (Link):
(1) If there were .05 or less grams of alcohol per one hundred milliliters or cubic centimeters of defendant’s blood or .05 or less grams of alcohol per two hundred ten liters of defendant’s breath, it shall be presumed that the defendant was not under the influence of alcohol at the time of the alleged violation; and
(2) If there were in excess of .05 grams of alcohol per one hundred milliliters or cubic centimeters of defendant’s blood or .05 grams of alcohol per two hundred ten liters of defendant’s breath, but less than .08 grams of alcohol per one hundred milliliters or cubic centimeters of defendant’s blood or .08 grams of alcohol per two hundred ten liters of defendant’s breath, that fact may be considered with other competent evidence in determining whether the defendant was under the influence of alcohol at the time of the alleged violation, but shall not of itself give rise to any presumption.
He’s wrong about the accident, but if you think you’re over .05 you can still get jacked, so he thought not submitting to the test might be a good idea I guess?
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He says that someone told him he didn’t have to. In Minnesota, you don’t have to do one on the road, but then you have to do one at the station or hospital. Some people think their level will be lower and occasionally, they’re right (or worse, their blood is more toxic).
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by Charles Awad on Dec 20, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
Right before you leave the bar, you pound your drink. There’s a decent chance that, as your body processes, your BAC will actually increase between getting pulled over and going to the station.
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Nate: When I banned Subo?
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by Derek Suboticki on Dec 20, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
Of course
That’s the point I was making toward the end there.. If you’ve stopped for awhile, however, you could gamble.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 20, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
I go to the bar and have a few Crown and Coke’s while watching the fights. Three hour card, I stop pre-main event and drink water/piss, then smoke a cigarette and leave. It’s probably close, but Jesus, man – does anyone pretend that tens of millions of Americans aren’t playing that game every single night?
Luke: What was our best moment?
Nate: When I banned Subo?
Luke: That was a good one.
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by Derek Suboticki on Dec 20, 2010 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
I won’t get into how I actually feel about drinking laws, but I will say this…… When I’ve overseas in Lebanon they drink all fucking night and drive home. This is a country with mountain roads that mostly contain no railings, with no legal drinking or driving age, and torrential downpours in the spring and fall— and they have an obscenely low accident rate. Go figure, huh?
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 20, 2010 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
Doesn’t that something to do with low reporting of accidents and the like though? The popo aren’t showing up for every fender bender, that’s for sure.
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Why would you say that? The Middle East is not all what you see on CNN or MSN
When in Rome we shall do as the Romans, when in Hell we do shots at the bar.
by Barack Lesnar on Dec 20, 2010 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think that's what he's saying
There aren’t a ton of cops there…. BUT, there are a lot of military outposts that you have to pass through on the freeway and they don’t mind, either.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 20, 2010 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
Srsly?
That’s awesome. My condo in Lebanon is nearing completion and I am champing at the bit to get in that fucker.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 20, 2010 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
Yup
8 days in Israel, 5 in Jordan, and a few days in Vienna and Stockholm. Wish I had longer, but I’ll take what I can get. Haven’t been to Lebanon yet, can’t wait though. I’ll be dodging that Israeli stamp like Subo dodges job interviews.
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by Tim Burke on Dec 20, 2010 7:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Dude, I applied at Goodwill today
I am literally not too good for anything.
Luke: What was our best moment?
Nate: When I banned Subo?
Luke: That was a good one.
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by Derek Suboticki on Dec 20, 2010 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
Pro-bation.
Luke: What was our best moment?
Nate: When I banned Subo?
Luke: That was a good one.
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Still Subo at Fightlinker.com
by Derek Suboticki on Dec 20, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
I was gonna say get a writing job but…I’ll let everyone make those jokes today.
You live in Colorado, right? Can’t you move snow or some shit?
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We ain’t got none! It’s bullshit!
Luke: What was our best moment?
Nate: When I banned Subo?
Luke: That was a good one.
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by Derek Suboticki on Dec 20, 2010 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
Are you serious?
We’re getting fucking destroyed out here.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 20, 2010 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
It’s going to be fifty-something here on Christmas. Unreal.
Luke: What was our best moment?
Nate: When I banned Subo?
Luke: That was a good one.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
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Still Subo at Fightlinker.com
by Derek Suboticki on Dec 20, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
If it's that cold here on Christmas I'm staying indoors.
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by Richard Wade on Dec 20, 2010 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
You should have signed up to ring the bell for the Salvation Army.
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Bloody Elbow // "Richard is a jewel." - Kid Nate
by Richard Wade on Dec 20, 2010 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
There’s gotta be a Walmart there looking for greeters. Subo would be perfect for it. “FUCK K-MART! EVERYONE SHOP UNDER ONE BANNER! IMMIGRANTS WILL GET PAID MORE!”
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by Tim Burke on Dec 20, 2010 9:12 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
LOL
“SAM WALTON IS A GOD!”
Hey UFC4 go fuck yourself, how about that? Fucking punk, I was just asking for the source that says lesnar gets 5 mill a fight, it’s obvious one does not exist. Bunch of gabronis on a site pulling figures out of your ass.
by Garrett Bennicas
by ufc4 on Dec 21, 2010 10:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
you could probably even get in now
I heard they repealed DADT
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by Brian Hemminger on Dec 20, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
One could say that
But they do have insurance and the like, and I have plenty of family there— a lot of whom do this very thing on a near day-to-day basis and don’t get into any scrapes.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 20, 2010 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
How do you figure drinking piss helps you avoid a DUI?
:)
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Bloody Elbow // "Richard is a jewel." - Kid Nate
by Richard Wade on Dec 20, 2010 8:42 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Haha
Good call.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 20, 2010 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
Ya beat me to it…but mine’s better. :P
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
by RearNakedChoker on Dec 20, 2010 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
I stop pre-main event and drink water/piss
Ah, so you’ve read Lyoto Machida’s “How to avoid a DUI…The Dragon way!”
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
by RearNakedChoker on Dec 20, 2010 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
It’s the same way here, but refusal of roadside screening is an automatic impound too.
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Yeah a refusal is really a bad idea for multiple reasons.
1. Automatic one year license suspension.
2. You’re going to jail and your car gets impounded anyway.
3. You look guilty and will be presumed as such by the prosecution throughout the process.
by Brandon Starr on Dec 20, 2010 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
I miss the 5th Amendment.
Luke: What was our best moment?
Nate: When I banned Subo?
Luke: That was a good one.
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by Derek Suboticki on Dec 20, 2010 7:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Since you're in law, you might know this
In Hawaii, would his police report be public record? It varies from state to state.
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Police report, no. But go to the Hawaii State Judiciary website and click on the "JIMS Traffic Connect"
and you can usually see what his fines were, restitution for damage to the embankment, etc.
by Brandon Starr on Dec 20, 2010 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
They changed the name
It’s now eCourt Kokua. On the left side of the website under searches.
by Brandon Starr on Dec 20, 2010 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
Search results for criteria: Case Id: 1DTA-10-05581
Case Description
Case ID: 1DTA-10-05581 – State v. Christian C Leben NON JURY
Type: TC – Traffic Crime
Status: ACTIVE – Active Case Filing Date: WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 20, 2010
Court: FIRST CIRCUIT
Location: HONOLULU DIVISION Balance Due: $0.00
Violations
Violation Disposition Sentence
No. Code Description Date Code Description Date Code Description
1 HRS 291E-61(a)(1)(b)(1) DUI BY MNTL IMPAIR-1ST OFNS 19-OCT-2010
2 HRS 286-102 DRIVG W/O VALID DRIVER LICENSE 19-OCT-2010
3 HRS 431:10C-104(a) NO MOTOR VEH INSURANCE 19-OCT-2010
Related Cases
No related cases were found.
Case Event Schedule
Event Date Time Room Location Judge
Arraignment and Plea 22-NOV-2010 08:30:00 Honolulu Courtroom 4B HONOLULU DIVISION Hayashi, Leslie
Arraignment, Plea and Trial 23-FEB-2011 08:30:00 Honolulu Courtroom 10D HONOLULU DIVISION
Case Parties Seq # Assoc Expn Date Type ID Name / Aliases
1 Defendant @1194361 Leben, Christian C
2 Law Enforcement Officer 101102148 Brissette, Alan L
Docket Entries
Filing Date Description Party Name Monetary
20-OCT-2010 15:52:00 Complaint
25-OCT-2010 09:31:15 Bond – Cash Posted
22-NOV-2010 08:30:00 Hearing Held
HAYASHI:KAJIURA:ARAI: Defendant not present. Defense attorney D. Hayakawa present. Waived reading of the charge and entered not guilty plea. Bail to continue. (APT 2/23/11am – 10D)
22-NOV-2010 08:30:00 Order & Notice of Entry of Ord
by Brandon Starr on Dec 20, 2010 7:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Christian?
Always figured it was Christopher.
Luke: What was our best moment?
Nate: When I banned Subo?
Luke: That was a good one.
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by Derek Suboticki on Dec 20, 2010 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
Funny you should say that.
I originally searched Christopher and it came back with no results.
by Brandon Starr on Dec 20, 2010 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't know that either
How interesting..
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 20, 2010 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
That’s what my public defender and alcohol class teacher say.
Luke: What was our best moment?
Nate: When I banned Subo?
Luke: That was a good one.
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by Derek Suboticki on Dec 20, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t have insurance but I just bought a truck. I really don’t understand rear wheel drive ahh should be fine it’s raining and it was only a couple beers.
When in Rome we shall do as the Romans, when in Hell we do shots at the bar.
by Barack Lesnar on Dec 20, 2010 6:57 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
He refused to blow? What a fuckin’ idiot.
I don’t know what the law is in the States, but here in Canada, Refusal is a criminal charge with the same punishment as an impaired charge, so only a complete moron would take the guaranteed charge of refusal rather than rolling the dice on the breathalyser (and subsequent legal defence)
Losing your license sucks. Losing your license, having a DUI on your record and paying thousands of dollars of fines sucks more.
Luke: What was our best moment?
Nate: When I banned Subo?
Luke: That was a good one.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
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by Derek Suboticki on Dec 20, 2010 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
in Soviet Canuckistan..
the punishment is the same with either choice, and I like our law that way.
Stupid, imo, that you can just refuse to blow and only lose your licence for it.
Stupid law, I mean.
if that’s the difference between an impaired conviction and a Refusal conviction, then I take back the “fuckin’ idiot” comment. That’s the (cynically) rational call to make, in that case.
Yeah, in theory. In practice, it's more than that. It's effectively an admission of guilt.
As it should be.
by Brandon Starr on Dec 20, 2010 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
Refusal to submit evidence against yourself is an admission of guilt?
RIP Bill of Rights.
Luke: What was our best moment?
Nate: When I banned Subo?
Luke: That was a good one.
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by Derek Suboticki on Dec 20, 2010 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
That's why I say "in practice".
Technically, it is just the opposite of admitting guilt. But, fact is, the prosecution is going to have a field day with you for the refusal.
by Brandon Starr on Dec 20, 2010 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't take you for an extreme libertopian, subo
if there’s no harsh punishment for Refusal, then you can’t effectively punish drunk drivers.
You will get ALMOST ZERO convictions, because everyone will just eat the weak Refusal charge.
Like I said, having a license is a privilege, not a right. You can jack that for a refusal. But criminal charges should be based upon more. If they’re that worried about it, they can pin your ass down and take your blood like they do if they’re trying to link you to a serious crime via DNA. Of course, that would upset the countless wealthy white men that routinely buy their way out of these things, so that’s out the door.
I don’t think that policemen demanding bodily fluids is what the Founding Fathers had in mind.
Luke: What was our best moment?
Nate: When I banned Subo?
Luke: That was a good one.
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by Derek Suboticki on Dec 20, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
Breath != bodily fluids
And you’re pulling the “what the founding fathers had in mind” card? Really?
I don’t think the Founding Fathers anticipating 2-ton self-propelled carriages of death that regularly travel in excess of 80mph either.
by CstBoog on Dec 20, 2010 7:33 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
It’s discussions like these where I’m glad I live in a constitutional framework where society doesn’t jack off to a document written over two hundred years ago.
1. That’s un-American.
2. Jacking off is unconstitutional.
by Brandon Starr on Dec 20, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
Of course it's un-American
I’m not in America. ;)
The framework allows for evolution
But I remember something about certain unalienable rights, being secure in your person and possessions – just stuff that government flat-out wasn’t allowed to do.
Luke: What was our best moment?
Nate: When I banned Subo?
Luke: That was a good one.
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by Derek Suboticki on Dec 20, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That’s why I like that my constitution says this:
“The Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.”
Cuts down on the dogma, makes for a more “living” document, and clearly throws the ball over to the courts to tease out said limits.
It’s a double edged sword – it’s the same reason I oppose most gun control (though there’s nothing in the 2nd Amendment about the gov’t not writing down that you in fact have one) – but I kind of like that those top ten are untouchable. I’d hate to think we’d make writing in support of al Qaeda illegal. That’s not how it works.
Luke: What was our best moment?
Nate: When I banned Subo?
Luke: That was a good one.
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by Derek Suboticki on Dec 20, 2010 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
When you got caught for DUI, wasn`t that for weed? And didn`t you refuse all tests? And didn`t you deny the charges based on the fact that they couldn`t prove anything? Or do I have the facts all mixed up? Was it in fact “a couple of beers”?
I hope you did all that, cause then it would kinda be that you teach what you have already lived. So proud of you I might just buy you a gun!
If Evil has a name, I`m certain it`s "Ellsworth Monkton Toohey"
by BlueberryMuffin on Dec 21, 2010 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
I’m the first to say I think a lot of the hysteria over drinking and driving is overblown.
But this is ridiculous. He’s got about five excuses.
He had only a couple beers.
He’d heard from someone that he shouldn’t breathalyze
He’d never driven a truck before
It had just rained
The cops were right there
Either Leben’s bullshitting us just a little bit here, or he’s the fucking personification of Murphy’s Law.
Yep, apparently the dealership actually delivered his truck to the bar around midnight so he could drive it home after he finished his “couple of beers”.
Hey UFC4 go fuck yourself, how about that? Fucking punk, I was just asking for the source that says lesnar gets 5 mill a fight, it’s obvious one does not exist. Bunch of gabronis on a site pulling figures out of your ass.
by Garrett Bennicas
by ufc4 on Dec 21, 2010 10:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
“I’m the first to say I think a lot of the hysteria over drinking and driving is overblown”
Then allow me to be the first to call you an idiot.
In the United States the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) estimates that 17,941 people died in 2006 in alcohol-related collisions, representing 40% of total traffic deaths in the US. NHTSA states 275,000 were injured in alcohol-related accidents in 2003
by CstBoog on Dec 20, 2010 7:38 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Your calling me an idiot would carry a lot more weight if you could figure out how to properly use the reply button.
I actually laughed out loud.
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by Richard Wade on Dec 20, 2010 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
I hate WASTED drunk-drivers
I am not too riled up about people who may blow a .05 or .06 if pulled over.
However, I have no sympathy for anyone with a DUI on their record choosing to drive after having a drop of alcohol, regardless of how drunk/not drunk they were. Use your fucking head and either wait it out, or call a cab.
BOOSH
Yep. The odds against getting caught the only time you drunk`n`drove would be astronomical. Especially if you only had 0.05 in your system, meaning that you should be able to drive fairly decent.
I think it should be something like the 3-strikes-thingy against DUI.
If Evil has a name, I`m certain it`s "Ellsworth Monkton Toohey"
by BlueberryMuffin on Dec 21, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
Why is everyone here taking what he says at face value?
Saying “I only had a few beers” and “I wasn’t hammered” is pretty standard for anyone who gets a DUI. What I know for sure:
He is a repeat offender.
He refused to blow.
He got in an accident.
Sorry Mr. Leben, but it doesn’t look good.
by Stiff Jab on Dec 20, 2010 7:49 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Reminds me of a comment made by one of my instructors
that, when you ask someone how much they’ve had to drink tonight, they’ll always say:
Two beers.
Doesn’t matter if they’ve had three, four, eight, or ten. Even if they’ve only had one beer, everyone always says they’ve just had two beers tonight.
by CstBoog on Dec 20, 2010 7:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Just don't drink and drive.
In British Columbia it was .08 but recently reduced it to .05. It’s caused confusion amongst citizens because now people are thinking, “Well, can I have one drink? Two?” Well how about none. Just don’t do it. It’s not worth it. Really, I’m surprised some adults need to be told this. Fucking people.
by pud333 on Dec 20, 2010 9:23 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
.05 for the provincial regulatory/traffic offences, not for criminal charges. That’s set federally, and still at .08.
Yep. The interesting thing is I have had friends sit there and contemplate whether it was worth the risk to have a drink and have their licenses suspended or their cars taken away.
Realistically, you can still have a glass of wine or a beer with dinner or something. The thing that killed me was the interviews in the Province/Sun/etc where there were quotes from people going “what if I just want to split a bottle of wine with my wife at dinner?” Split a bottle of wine?! That was an ok idea before they lowered the limit?
People keep bringing up the idea that someone should be using their head after they’ve been drinking. One of the side-effects of alcohol is lowered judgement and impairment. That’s by no means to say it’s an excuse for drunk driving as matter like this should be settled before drinking by say, giving your keys to someone before you drink so they can make sure you don’t drive. But to just say, “use your head and think of the consequences before you drink and drive” is kind of an oxymoron and defeats the purpose.
by dreamers_12345 on Dec 20, 2010 11:29 PM EST reply actions
Pretty sure that’s why they say BEFORE you drink and drive.
Hey UFC4 go fuck yourself, how about that? Fucking punk, I was just asking for the source that says lesnar gets 5 mill a fight, it’s obvious one does not exist. Bunch of gabronis on a site pulling figures out of your ass.
by Garrett Bennicas
by ufc4 on Dec 21, 2010 10:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thread full of excuses for a repeat offending drunk driver
what the fuck?
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