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UFC Looking at Record Gates in Australia and Canada for UFC 127 and 129

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The UFC has been working hard and smart to get regulated in Ontario so they can do a show in Toronto. Ontario has long been one of the best markets for the UFC's on Pay Per View but a perverse regulation regime that doggedly kept MMA out of Ontario for year. That is until the UFC hired former Canadian Football League commissioner Tom Wright to head up their regulatory attack in Canada in May of this year. Sanctioning followed in August and now the UFC is going to make a lot of Canadian fans very happy.

MMA Weekly reports on Zuffa's sky high expectations for their Toronto debut at the 68,000 capacity Rogers Centre:

No matter what the final configuration for the Rogers Centre is - and no, the dome isn't likely to be open in late April - the UFC is confident of smashing UFC 124′s record attendance.

"We've talked about the 30,000 to 40,000 range. Whatever it is, we're going to set a record here in terms of turnstile attendance," said Wright. "I can tell you it will be north of 25,000 and probably south of 40,000."

UFC 129 isn't the only upcoming event that has pulses pounding with anticipation in Zuffa's business offices either. Here's some exciting news for the UFC's return to Australia for UFC 127, via the CBC:

UFC 127 in Sydney sold out in 30 minutes, equalling the UFC record set earlier this year by UFC 115 in Vancouver.
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The speed of the 127 sales means that two of the UFC's top five sellouts are in Australia (UFC 110 ranks No. 4). The other three are all in Canada: UFC 115 in Vancouver and UFC 83 and 97 in Montreal.

Marshall Zelaznik, UFC major domo for international expansion said in a statement that he expected "just over 18,000 fans in attendance" and he characterized Australia as "one of the top three or four markets in the world" for the UFC.

But it's not all good news. More in the full entry.

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That's great news but let's keep in mind that a quick sell out doesn't always mean big demand for tickets. UFC 115, the previous quickest sell-out, turned out to not be as in-demand as initially believed, via MMA Payout:

UFC 115 sold over $4.2 million at the gate on approximately 17,000 fans, which is very strong (especially for a non-title fight). However, it's been widely speculated that the 30 minute sell-out this Spring was manufactured by scalpers that bought huge quantities of tickets anticipating strong demand for the UFC's debut in Vancouver. Thus, while the demand for MMA in Vancouver is strong, the gate probably isn't a sound reflection of the interest for this fight in particular.

There were sky high expectations for the UFC 124 gate in Montreal as well, but MMA Payout reports that it didn't quite deliver as hoped:

The UFC pushed the media all week with the message that UFC 124 was going to have the biggest attendance and live gate in UFC history, but sadly only one of those came true. The official attendance set a new record with 23, 152 people cramming The Bell Centre in Montreal. However, the official gate slightly underperformed at $4. 586 million. It should be noted that $4.6 million is still an excellent gate (my how far this sport has come to look at things and say a gate like that actually underperformed!).

Dave Meltzer (subscription required and I can't recommend Meltzer's The Wrestling Observer enough if you're serious about the MMA business) talks about the crowd and the money at 124:

The Bell Centre was pretty much packed. There were a few empty seats, which wasn't the case for St. Pierre vs. Serra, where they announced 21,340 fans. They said they reconfigured the arena and changes screens, but there were empty seats this time, there was no standing room, and it sure didn't look like there were 1,800 more people in the building. Dana White was giving away tickets in the city the night before the fight. We didn't get a paid number, but were told it was in the range of 18,500 and the gate was $4,568,000 Canadian, which with the current exchange rates, would be $4,603,000 U.S. White had claimed it would break the all-time world record gate, but that figure is more than $7 million in Japan (Kazushi Sakuraba vs. Mirko Cro Cop), and even the UFC record of $5.44 million set at UFC 100 was never in jeopardy. It was the sixth largest in UFC history (trailing main events of Liddell vs. Ortiz, Liddell vs. Wanderlei Silva, St. Pierre vs. Serra, Randy Couture vs. Brock Lesnar, Liddell vs. Shogun Rua (or Anderson Silva vs. Thales Leitis) and Lesnar vs. Frank Mir), and largest since UFC 100. It was not a hot scalper ticket as outside the arena you could get $250 to $400 tickets for $50 each.

The moral of the story continues to be that the UFC continues to do great business, particularly with their expansions into Australia and Canada but that the days of the UFC routinely exceeding expectations are at an end. 

That's partly a product of the terrible world-wide economy, partly a result of the growth rate of the UFC slowing a bit, and partly a function of ticket prices remaining a little bit higher than might be optimum for maximum sales and revenue. 

Also keep in mind that while Toronto and Ontario are major markets in the context of North America, Canada as a whole is a much much smaller market than the U.S. and Australia is a very small market. For the UFC's international expansion to really pay big dividends they must succeed in Europe. 

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Wright was on the radio in Vancouver a few days ago and gave the same #’s, but said he expected 35-40k.

As for Meltzer’s #, it’s nitpicky for sure, but…the Canadian dollar hasn’t been worth more than the American dollar since a brief couple of days in April. Close, but no. So how can the gate be worth more in US dollars than Canadian dollars? At current exchange rates, even last weeks, the US dollar gate was just below 4.5, not north of 4.6.

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by Tim Burke on Dec 20, 2010 2:10 PM EST reply actions  

the days of the UFC routinely exceeding expectations are at an end.

Ultimately there is only so much you can charge for an event. Regardless of who or where.

Gate revenues will plateau at a sell out and the individual events aren’t as special when trips are bi annual or even annual. So long as average gate revenues are growing and PPV buys are growing, the business hasn’t quite leveled off.

by truck on Dec 20, 2010 2:15 PM EST reply actions  

ticket sales are so misleading

they really are. There first Australia show sold out VERY fast but it was televised for FREE in australia and did horrible in ratings.

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by joeshowradio on Dec 20, 2010 2:21 PM EST reply actions  

Wow if that's the case then it really is misleading

Looks like the ufc will have to figure something out

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by AfroSamurai on Dec 20, 2010 2:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

oh its true

check this out
http://www.watchkalibrun.com/2010/2/25/1325985/ufc-110-australian-ratings

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by joeshowradio on Dec 20, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Wonder how UFC does with ratings in other countries where the shows sells really well

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by AfroSamurai on Dec 20, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

not really sure

just shows you that people put too much emphasis on ticket sales when in reality the only indicator you should look at for how well the show was recieved is the actual numbers themselves.

I interviewed Schiavello and we talked about this subject.

Basically what he said was that Australia craves events to go to b/c they get so few of them that they will sell like hotcakes to those that want the experience but as far as the country as a whole lis concerned ticket sales dont tell you much.

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by joeshowradio on Dec 20, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

When you’re starved for events, you’ll naturally be more excited to go to them. It’d be the exact same thing in the US if the UFC was situated in Europe or something. It doesn’t necessarily mean Canada or Australia has a more dedicated fanbase.

by crazybones on Dec 20, 2010 8:24 PM EST up reply actions  

75-120,000 viewers for UK events

by MattParker117 on Dec 20, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

for reference

Texas has a larger population than Australia.

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by Nate Wilcox on Dec 20, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Really?

I did not know that.

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by James Brady on Dec 20, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Well Texas has a huge population.

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by Neil Manich on Dec 20, 2010 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Is that really the poster for UFC 127? It makes 1980s pro wrestling VHS covers look like PRIDE posters.

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by RagingNoodles on Dec 20, 2010 2:21 PM EST reply actions  

I was wondering the same thing.

by nastyem on Dec 20, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m excited about the Toronto event. Definitely one I plan on attending but can anyone tell me when the hell Cain v JDS is taking place and where? What’s the hold up on this? Cain’s been champ for two months and JDS has been the #1 contender for five months. I heard rumors that it is being worked out for this card.

by memitim on Dec 20, 2010 2:23 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Europe is seeming to be a tough nut to crack

It hasn’t taken off nearly the way it has in other European populated countries

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by AfroSamurai on Dec 20, 2010 2:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

give it time

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by Nate Wilcox on Dec 20, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Could be that the only countries they have really found success in yet – the US, UK, Canada, and Australia – all share a common language and have a shared history as being heavily settled by people from the British Isles, and are former colonies of the UK (or are the UK in the case of the UK).
I wonder if there is a bigger hurdle to clear than most imagine in trying to expand to other parts of the world?

by John Nash on Dec 20, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Well as I said, so far countries highly populated with European people seem to lvoe mma and UFC so....

Other countries should be on the UFC’s radar very soon i.e. South Africa, Sweden, etc.

My problem is that it would seem like all mma would need to be popular is a strong Combat sport background.. Like Wrestling, Kickboxing, Savate, Karate, Kung Fu, but possibly it is the packaging that is a hard sell to non European populated countries and non European people in General.

Mexico, African Americans, Latino Americans, Asians, all seem to have not quite be sold on this UFC concept just yet.

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by AfroSamurai on Dec 20, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

But is it popular with Europeans? The UFC’s success seems limited to the Anglo world (although it’s success in Quebec could show that to be false). They haven’t found success in Germany, France, Spain, or Italy yet, and the countries that seem to have embraced mma the most – Poland and Russia – seem to prefer a ring, Is there something shared amongst those cultures that explains the UFC success in the UK, Canada, and Australia? I don’t know, but it seems possible. Maybe other countries can’t come to embrace a perceived American sport, or the cage is off-putting, or some other factor.
 
The other thing is that I don’t think MMA is generally that popular in any country. Outside of Japan, mma has been a niche sport in every country it appears in. Its importance is inflated somewhat by the amount the fans are willing to pay for watch the events. If it can’t draw a big audience and the niche audience is unwilling to dish out money for ppv events, it’s going to be hard to make money off a new market.

by John Nash on Dec 20, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmmm good point

But tbh its still a part niche sport here. Well let’s see if these reality shows can get things rolling and c if mma tv presence to match the live ticket sales

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by AfroSamurai on Dec 20, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

It's starting to gain momentum here in Sweden.

MMA is getting bigger here, we get DREAM and UFC plus local shows like the Zone fc and Superior challenge on TV. Also gyms are popping up everywhere.. Sherdog did an article on the swedish mma scene not so long ago.

http://www.sherdog.com/news/r/Bright-Lights-in-Swedens-Dark-November-28384

by Pontus on Dec 20, 2010 8:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Niche sport

As a kiwi living in the UK who has also lived in places like Japan I am under the impression that MMA’s success in The States and Canada is about as good as it’s going to get. I have shown people ‘the fights’, as I call them many times over the years to many people from different parts of the world, shown them exciting fights, technical fights, boring fights, Pride, UFC blah blah, I have friends in Sydney and Melbourne who tell me UFC is on all the time, selected fights on a highlight show etc. They all have the similar reaction. People, frankly don’t seem to give two shits about MMA. Here in the UK it’s been two years and while I went two UFCs at the O2 and could not go to the third because the demand was too high, god knows where that demand comes from because here in London no one gives a rats about MMA. God knows even fellow martial artists seem to care little for MMA. Explain that.

Locals here in the UK know what it is (be it MMA or UFC as a brand) and all that but their interest is cursory at best, nothing like my intense ‘check Bloody Elbow two dozen times a day’ interest. They care about Rugby and Football and Cricket and a lot of other shit before they care about MMA. God knows if I reach a point in my life where I am so bored as to write a fanpost, it may well be about why the UFC is finding it difficult to replicate their State side success overseas.

The UFCs greatest success was making people that previously only cared about NFL and NBA care about MMA (or UFC rather) as well. I am old school. I do not care about any sports other than MMA. God knows people in England do not care about any sport other than football. People in NZ sure as shit do not care about anything except for the All Blacks.

But I don’t hold up much hope. K1 kickboxing is easier for people to get into than MMA, and no one gives a damn about that either. Worldwide success may yet be impossible, The US and Canada may have to do.

by jwalker on Dec 21, 2010 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Well

Your completely right about most martial artist don’t care about it. I think that is because traditional martial artist are intimidated by mma. Nobdody at my old karate school watches it or is even interested in it i think because it shows people using their craft effectively.

But i think you are incorrect about the UFC’s success. Most of the people i know who care about MMA/UFC don’t care about NFL and NBA i know i dont… btw what is NZ and what is it the “Blacks” care about?

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by AfroSamurai on Dec 21, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sure if serious

But in case you are, NZ is New Zealand and the ‘All Blacks’ are a rugby union team.

by Mortschlag on Dec 21, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

There's a lot going on in this post.

My attention span is far too short for something like this.

I will say that I’m fairly impressed with the UFC’s expansion into Canada and Australia. Yes, they’re relatively small markets, but the UFC has proven to be a hit in both places. That’s gives the promotion a lot of latitude in the future when they’re mulling over where to hold an event. It’s a great example of picking the low fruit. The UFC probably translates well in these places, because there’s a lot of commonality among our cultures. The more difficult moves are upcoming, but success in China, Brazil, and other parts of Europe should be easier and a little less vital with North America, Australia, Dubai, and Britain falling into success category.

by Cannon Jacques on Dec 20, 2010 2:34 PM EST reply actions  

I'm not sure they're a hit

in Australia. The live shows have done well but the TV ratings were weak and the press is VERY negative.

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by Nate Wilcox on Dec 20, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

the press is VERY negative

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by truck on Dec 20, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

been a while since i cranked out a “Human Cockfighting Signals Collapse of Civilization” post

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by Nate Wilcox on Dec 20, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

You're so negative.

I know. Why don’t you put on your Aoki pants and curl up with a good Victory Belt book.

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by Cannon Jacques on Dec 20, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I would give anything to see Penn beat Fitch in under 1 minute :)

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by SheepleBuster on Dec 20, 2010 3:01 PM EST reply actions  

you are saying it will happen ? haha

Fitch is very hard to finish

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by SheepleBuster on Dec 20, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

It looks like a toxic waste warning.

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by Neil Manich on Dec 20, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

It's amazing that the UFC can mess up orange + grey.

Those two colors can look absolutely beautiful from a design standpoint, and they completely failed.

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by James Brady on Dec 20, 2010 6:21 PM EST reply actions  

Weird poster

Fitch looks like he’s hiding from GSP behind BJ

by brad23 on Dec 20, 2010 6:22 PM EST reply actions  

Tbh I thought “very australian” when I saw it. Dated a foreign student in college and visited her at uni in sydney and to me it looks like it would fit right in their cultural landscape.

I also thought the same thing about the belfortuhhh I mean marquardt/ akiyama poster…it looked european and not american

by kcfighter on Dec 20, 2010 11:50 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

...

It should be noted that 127 didn’t actually sell out in 30min. They had the fight club pre-sale on tuesday, the ticketek newsletter pre-sale on wednesday and then general publlic sales on thursday which is where they got the 30 min from. But yeah..

by moreofmyself on Dec 21, 2010 12:26 AM EST reply actions  

Even so, I still don’t know how they got 30 minutes. I was online for every one of those releases and none of them would’ve lasted any longer than 5 minutes.

by MMAussie on Dec 21, 2010 12:44 AM EST up reply actions  

This poster it pure shit....

I understand Dana’s big, REALLY BIG on loyalty and shit, but the guy that was doing the posters for you for free or at a huge discount just isn’t cutting it. We can deal with Goldie, we can deal with Buffer, they both actually have talent in their field, but this guy, this poster guy just doesn’t cut it for a company looking to move to the level you are expecting. There are good gents in Japan you need to get in touch with, and mix in some American appeal. Go forth.

by KidThunder on Dec 21, 2010 1:42 AM EST reply actions  

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