Chael Sonnen Suspension Reduced to Six Months, Josh Barnett Gets Continuance
by Nate Wilcox on Dec 2, 2010 7:33 PM EST
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After a remarkable hearing the California State Athletic Commission voted 3-1 to reduce Chael Sonnen's suspension to six months from one year. Sonnen failed a post-fight drug test after UFC 117 when his sample showed elevated levels of testosterone. His $2500 fine was not changed. The panel first voted 2-2 to uphold the original suspension.
The commission members offered no rationale for their decision.
The CSAC granted Josh Barnett a continuance when he showed up without legal counsel for his licence reinstatement hearing. He was denied a license after failing a steroid test in 2009. Barnett's failure to get his license renewed will complicate Strikeforce's efforts to book him to fight in the U.S.
After the hearing Barnett tweeted:
Wow. I show up only to re apply and get ambushed by an assistant AG who has put together a case against me. Sweet.
And Barnett also tweeted this, presumably in reference to the Sonnen ruling:
Wow x2! Just heard that the CSAC allows people on steroids to fight w/ the right scripts, approval, and tests within a range.
See Bloody Elbow's live blog of the hearing for exhaustive coverage.
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I hate that guy
That is all
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by the-gentle-way on Dec 2, 2010 7:34 PM EST via mobile reply actions
6 months?
So how often does Chael fight? Will this be much of a suspension at all?
What is the deal with airline food?
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Were it not for the suspension, Chael would be fighting Anderson again in February.
And Vitor would have fought Okami,
Well if we know anything
It’s that Chael is good at winning decisions.
I guess we’d call this a split decision.
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by ShaiZ on Dec 2, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
This hearing was good for the UFC's business and bad for Strikeforce's
For the record, I thoroughly disagree with reducing the sentence to 6 months. I was incredibly surprised that no one even really mentioned the extent that his testosterone was higher than normal.
He took the shot the day before so
as far as I understand that explains why.
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by Urijah Bieber on Dec 2, 2010 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
The testimony on the CSAC doctor is that if you inject one day then your testosterone levels drop below normal after what you injected get worked out of your system. So you can get an even lower testosterone level than you would normally by shooting up a day or two before hand.
I didn't hear that part but
but I’ve heard multiple things on that. I bet Chael’s dr would have a different story all together as well.
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by Urijah Bieber on Dec 2, 2010 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
Testosterone doesn't metabolize that fast
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by S.C. Michaelson on Dec 2, 2010 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
That is incorrect
After an injection of testosterone cypionate (the version used in the US), the levels peak about 72 hours later. And it has an 8 day half-life.
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by The American Ronin on Dec 3, 2010 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
word
that totally exonerates him
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by The Lethal Haze on Dec 2, 2010 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
Astute observation on which business profited from this and which business was set back. Can’t say Barnett doesn’t warrant a little investigation following his previous debacle, but it does seem slightly strange.
by Armleglegarm Head on Dec 2, 2010 11:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
the best way to make sure a wheel doesn't come to a screeching halt .....
Make sure said wheel is properly greased ;-)
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by the-gentle-way on Dec 3, 2010 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
I am not aware of his actual testosterone levels being mentioned
Does anyone have any info on this? The only thing I have seen is regarding the T:E ratio which is meaningless in this context.
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by The American Ronin on Dec 3, 2010 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
It sure seems like it, dude has been playing dumb for a year now.
Hey UFC4 go fuck yourself, how about that? Fucking punk, I was just asking for the source that says lesnar gets 5 mill a fight, it’s obvious one does not exist. Bunch of gabronis on a site pulling figures out of your ass.
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by ufc4 on Dec 2, 2010 7:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
More like the better part of a decade.
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I’m surprised that this is the first that the word “rehabilitation” was thrown around. My 2 questions for today would be asking for a good explanation of that, and figuring out what the guy that voted no on both soennen votes was up to.
He voted no on the first vote as well
He didn’t want Chael to serve a suspension at all.
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Not rehab rehab
Just that he has improved his character, etc.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Dec 2, 2010 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
Coker said he might be in a position to start talking about the HW tournament this week. I hope he wasn’t wait to see what happened with Josh and that gets pushed back again.
Any one know how long before Barnett can get back on the CSAC agenda again?
It seems like they meet every 3 months.
As for other states, peopel in the live blog mentioned Texas, but I’m not sure. With Margarito, Nevada passed because it was unresolved in CA. Texas gave approval after California officially denied him. Josh is still in limbo right now, and that’s what lead Nevada to not look at his application.
Will Texas (or anyone else) license Barnett while he’s still in limbo?
What I don't understand is...
It was reported that his testosterone levels were 4x higher than normal, but the commission stated that they didn’t know if his testosterone levels were higher than normal. How the hell do they not have this information? They weren’t sure whether Sonnen popped because of artificial testosterone or because of high levels of testosterone. Complete incompetence.
It’s really simple guys…if his testosterone levels were extremely high, he’s a cheater. Whether he has a deficiency or not, there’s no reason for it to be that high. If his testosterone levels were artificially enhanced, but within normal levels, give the guy a break, because he’s not gaining a competitive advantage in that scenario.
if im not mistaken
the commission commented on not having ANY evidence his testosterone levels were ever anything but normal.
4x higher. Another cog in the slandering liberal agenda machine
Chael fought the law….to a decision.
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almost makes you wonder if the only thing they had to go on was his admission before the test.
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no they can tell its fake Test. Which is against the rules.
They cant tell how high his level is overall without a blood test.
Or atleast thats what i have gathered from what i have read.
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by the-gentle-way on Dec 3, 2010 1:45 AM EST up reply actions
You are right
The high T/E ratio test is a red flag only which then leads to the (expensive) liquid chromatography tandem mass spectrometry (LCMSMS) test to determine if the testosterone is natural or synthetic.
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by The American Ronin on Dec 3, 2010 2:03 AM EST up reply actions
I never saw that his total test level was given. His ratio of test to epitest was given, bit that doesn’t tell us if his testoserone was above the limit.
by Hardcharger on Dec 2, 2010 8:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The ratio was off the charts
But in theory if his epitest was extremely low, his test levels could still be “normal” and get that ridiculous T/E. I doubt it’d be 16:1, but you’d think they’d give his actual testosterone level for the slam dunk.
Not afraid to nitpick
but you’d think they’d give his actual testosterone level for the slam dunk.
As best I can tell, they don’t have it. It can really only be accurately derived from a blood test or a 24 hour urine test.
If he truly is hypogonadal, having taken an injection the day before the test could certainly result in an extremely high T/E ratio.
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by The American Ronin on Dec 3, 2010 12:51 AM EST up reply actions
Hello? I said they gave the ratio. The ratio, however, does not tell is what his total testosterone level was or if it was above the normal range. That total number is crucial.
by Hardcharger on Dec 2, 2010 9:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's very normal to reduce a suspension or fine just for simply showing up and contesting the matter.
I’ve seen it in Courts in Washington State and Hawaii. This isn’t some outrageous ethical tragedy. It’s par for the course. There’s no foul play involved; no payoff. I have seen admissions of guilt result in a reduction many many times.
Yep
Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe Sean Sherk, Hermes Franca, and James Toney all had their sentences cut in half after they respectively argued the results were invalid, admitted guilt, and cursed at the athletic commission.
yeah that was some bullshit
especially since it came the same day that James Toney showed up, cursed out the commission, denied everything and got his suspension cut in half.
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im stunned by this
as a pre law student this is completely ridiculous on all fronts, chael sonne, chaels doctor, josh barnett and the california commision should all be ashamed
thank god this sport isnt mainstream yet or we’d be the laughingstock of every major news network
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thank god this sport isnt mainstream yet or we’d be the laughingstock of every major news network
“This sport”? You do know that this is the California state athletic commission, right? It’s the same commission that presides over boxing.
kinda explains the state of boxing in this country then doesnt it
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by milk72 on Dec 2, 2010 8:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
this has been going on since steroids were outlawed
Tons of boxers have been caught on roids
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by the-gentle-way on Dec 2, 2010 11:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Just enough to think he knows what he’s talking about.
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by Simco on Dec 2, 2010 8:41 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Having worked in the legal field my entire career.....
I’m stunned that you’re stunned. You would have a heart attack if you saw one of our County Council meetings…….
by Brandon Starr on Dec 2, 2010 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
possibly
but u would think there would be more organization and a level of prepared arguments and documents on either side, chaels career and standing with the public was pretty much on the line here tonight and he totally dropped the ball in my opinion
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Everything probably went very well in the preparation on Chael’s end but everything changes when you’re in front of a Board. When there is a set amount of time (30 minutes for opening arguments; followed by 15 minute rebuttals) I would consider it a tactical advantage to make everything as jumbled as possible. As the defense attorney you know they aren’t going to completely throw it out (given the history of the CSAC) but you can at least try to cause some confusion and look for a last minute reduction.
by Brandon Starr on Dec 2, 2010 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
he didn’t drop anything.
How many people were watching? How many people watched the PPV? How many people are going to read the headline that says “headline reduced?”
I hope there are not too many people reading that headline.
Everybody would be like WTF does “Headline Reduced” mean?
by Brandon Starr on Dec 2, 2010 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
Shortage of ink, Headline reduced
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by S.C. Michaelson on Dec 2, 2010 9:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
what are you talking about?
if you get a speeding ticket and show up to fight it it generally gets reduced. if you fight a multitude of charges the DA will take a plea bargain down to a lesser crime/punishment.
how is this any different?
this is how american justice works.
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as a pre law student you have yet to witness the sometimes full-scale clusterf*cks that are informal adminstrative legal hearings.
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by The American Ronin on Dec 3, 2010 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
i feel bad for that paralegal who forgot to number documents.
dont know what josh is doing, was hoping to see him vs hector (longshot, i know)
anyone know if that could still happen in another state a-la margo getting the ok in texas?
by muppetsarntpuppets on Dec 2, 2010 8:06 PM EST reply actions
I have no real feelings either way about the suspension being reduced, but I listened to the hearing and I’m really surprised. It seemed like only one member of the commission showed any sort of sympathy for Chael’s “story”. The other 3 asked questions and came off like they thought he was full of shit (which he was, according to Keith Kizer). I expected them to uphold it for sure when all was said and done.
I know little about these procedural matters, but it was pretty dumb overall. Calling clock on Chael’s defense team continually while giving the “prosecution” as much time as they wanted. The woman rebuking Chael for speaking “disrespectfully” when he did nothing of the sort, etc. It seemed pretty one-sided. And Chael’s mumbling doctor certainly didn’t help.
Overall, I’m just really surprised.
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by greco-roman airlines on Dec 2, 2010 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
Well, there goes the possibility for Fedor vs Barneet in January.
Now they dig in for a rematch against Werdum in March.
Too bad for Brock Lesnar. Now he only has half the amount of time to learn how to polish Chael’s boots.
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by Earl Montclair on Dec 2, 2010 8:15 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
LOL
Turk Lesnar has turds bigger than Chael’s balls.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Dec 2, 2010 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
Dude that gives no indication of the size of Chael's balls
Unless Lesnar has little baby shits
by NeutralMilkAjC on Dec 3, 2010 6:37 AM EST up reply actions
It's Chael's 1st offense right?
We know Barnett’s history. He deserves no leniency.
Barnett wasn’t looking for leniency. He already served his suspension.
by memitim on Dec 2, 2010 8:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
We should tweet Dana about it
Because if we say it on the Internet it’s not real.
It was my way of saying Chael will win.
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by Brandon Starr on Dec 2, 2010 8:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ya no clue what the appeal of that TUF season would be
especially if it comes with a bunch of mediocre British boxers and a concerted effort to keep American wrestlers off the show, like last time.
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by Urijah Bieber on Dec 2, 2010 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
YES
The pre-fight jabber would be EPIC
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Chael looks guilty from that picture
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Yes but he looks exactly half as guilty as he did before the hearing
by Brandon Starr on Dec 2, 2010 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
nah
he looks like a guy who can’t even buy his counselor’s lies. He is like, “that’s some good BS right there.”
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by SheepleBuster on Dec 2, 2010 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
He's thinking "that sumbitch.....that's money well spent"
by Brandon Starr on Dec 2, 2010 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
"thinking"?
haha.
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by SheepleBuster on Dec 2, 2010 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
Hes listening to the other guy speak about him
How would you look in his position? A smile on your face and sun glasses while you lean back in your chair?
I think they made a good decision
I believe him when he says he needs the treatment.
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Why?
I’m not even against steroids for pro athletes. But why do you believe his excuses?
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by The Lethal Haze on Dec 3, 2010 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
Perhaps, but who would expose themselves to such
humiliation and ridicule, especially as a fighter, if it were not true?
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by The American Ronin on Dec 3, 2010 1:03 AM EST up reply actions
In my opinion
Sonnen seems like a pathological liar that would say anything he thought benefits him. That’s why he’d cop to never going through puberty, or having hypogonadism. He doesn’t care what people think about him as long as the $$ keeps coming in. How his word has any credibility after all that shit he said (and denied he said) in the run up to the Silva fight is beyond me.
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by The Lethal Haze on Dec 3, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
I believe him mostly
that his doctor prescribed the treatment and that he’d used it before.
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by Urijah Bieber on Dec 3, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
I know
I asked you why you believe him. Just wondering, not trying to be a dick, but how this man’s word has any credibility with anyone is beyond me.
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by The Lethal Haze on Dec 3, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
I can separate gamesmanship during fight promotion
with other things he says. I don’t hold his promotability against him to the point I am diametrically opposed to anything he says as if it were a bold face lie. I think that is a bit of a simple way to take things.
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by Urijah Bieber on Dec 3, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for calling me simple
I guess I could call you naive in response, but I won’t.
You give him the benefit of the doubt. Cool. Your reason that you give him the benefit of the doubt is that you believe him. Which is a little circular… but whatever. Question asked and answered, thanks.
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by The Lethal Haze on Dec 3, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
I believe him because his case seems pretty solid
He had a doctor who said he tested low and that he needed it. I have no reason not to believe it. Especially since apparently his level’s weren’t elevated. I don’t think he would have said all that other stuff about puberty either. I wasn’t calling you simple either, I said I think that is too simple a way to look at things. Don’t feel offended please.
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by Urijah Bieber on Dec 3, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
After watching that entire debacle
Any and all actions of the CSAC are totally meaningless to me. Are all commissions that inept?
I was wondering what Black Lesnar thought about the hearing
He barely said anything during the live discussion.
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by Earl Montclair on Dec 2, 2010 8:42 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
He's outraged. He's writing all about it in five different fanposts that will all be cross posted on five different MMA sites.
and a fanshot.
by Brandon Starr on Dec 2, 2010 8:49 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Outraged? Nah
I’m amused. Did you watch the hearing and hear what Chael admitted to? Hahaha
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LOL
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by S.C. Michaelson on Dec 2, 2010 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
mad about what exactly?
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by Earl Montclair on Dec 2, 2010 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
You didn’t hear??? The CSAC not only reduced Chael’s sentence, but they also awarded him the Middleweight Title AND forbid Anderson Silva from wearing pink ever again. They also allowed for a billboard to be erected by Chael’s neighborhood stating that Anderson is not allowed. in his hood.
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by Earl Montclair on Dec 2, 2010 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
They even went so far as to issue an arrest warrant for Some Hispanic Guy. The CSAC went down and got some business done today.
It was a landmark case
I imagine attorneys will be citing the case of CSAC v. Some Hispanic Guy Sonnen for decades.
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by Earl Montclair on Dec 2, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
Barnett is a 3 time loser when it comes to testing positive, he should just keep his mouth shut on this matter. He also looks pretty stupid for showing up to a hearing about his career, and not being prepared at all.
Barnett is a 3 time loser when it comes to testing positive, he should just keep his mouth shut on this matter. He also looks pretty stupid for showing up to a hearing about his career, and not being prepared at all.
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by Earl Montclair on Dec 2, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Lol, nicely put
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by Figs on Dec 2, 2010 11:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hendo
What I wanna know is how rare of a disease or condition does he have that Dan henderson as of a few days was also commenting on how he also takes low t shots. I mean if basically you can get some shady doctor to give you a script for testosterone it seems like these guys are gaming the system. I personally am a fan of Dan Henderson and i hate to bring attention but will he then pass his test is this basically just these guys cycling of by the time they take the test?
by Papercut Elbow on Dec 2, 2010 10:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Bending the system I think
It’s natural for guys as they age to have lower testosterone. I am pretty sure this is how Couture and Hendo have stayed competitive to their late 30s and beyond. But also I have read that cutting weight can damage the bodies ability to produce testosterone, so with all three of these guys(Hendo, Chael, Couture) being accomplished amateur wrestlers, maybe they have a legitimate claim as well.
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by Urijah Bieber on Dec 3, 2010 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
Randy has discussed this with Rogan
and I have heard mention of Hendo as well, which makes sense.
But. There is no known connection between cutting weight and testosterone production. I have heard this several times, but it is not correct.
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by The American Ronin on Dec 3, 2010 12:42 AM EST up reply actions
Do actual mainstream sports allow this?
I mean, I feel like most NFL players juice or have juiced…but are there any players who take shots of T openly?
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I'm not aware of any, but that doesn't mean much
I’m not sure what their rules or testing procedures are, but they would have therauputic use exemptions available as well.
I suspect hGH is used more than anything else in the NFL
I’m of the opinion that a significant majority of pro athletes in contact sports use or have used PEDs in general.
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by The American Ronin on Dec 3, 2010 1:17 AM EST up reply actions
Most NFL players juice up in college, then stay away from it in the pros. I don’t know about other sports.
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baseball banned amphetamines, and now 10% of the league has exemptions for ADD meds (3% of non-baseball players take ADD meds).
So there is a precedent in other sports for therapeutic use exemptions, not sure if any other sports particularly allow testosterone though.
I know; that is hilarious how they game the system
But adderall is nothing compared to the old greenies. I am friends with the A’s equipment manager. He said he tried a “greeny” back when they were around, and he was ready to go flip cars and run sprints.
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lol nice
and I tend to believe the experts who argue ADD medication is heavily over prescribed in the public.
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by Urijah Bieber on Dec 3, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
You gotta think though
Obviously, I don’t know what the UFC is planning. But a 6 month suspension is perfect for them time-wise.Vitor-Silva in February. Assuming Silva wins and doesn’t suffer some crazy cut, that’s about 4 1/2 months-ish till Chael’s suspension is up. Also assuming Chael is allowed to train while suspended. They could put on a rematch without delaying anything.
"We have all had to watch Brock Lesnar fart around. That guy is an embarrassment. God damn, you get to hand pick his opponents for him for a while then someone who is a half way decent athlete comes along and hits him once and he pisses his pants and runs. If he wasn't in a cage he would still be running."
-Don Frye
well, I forgot about the Okami fight. But anyway
I think as far as the UFC is concerned. The appeal was a success.
"We have all had to watch Brock Lesnar fart around. That guy is an embarrassment. God damn, you get to hand pick his opponents for him for a while then someone who is a half way decent athlete comes along and hits him once and he pisses his pants and runs. If he wasn't in a cage he would still be running."
-Don Frye
IIRC
His suspension will actually end March 02 or there about.
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by The American Ronin on Dec 3, 2010 2:32 AM EST up reply actions
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