Did GSP overtake Lyoto Machida as MMA's Most Boring?
by NCSAR on Dec 18, 2010 8:53 PM EST
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PrintLyoto Machida was once known as the type that "manipulated the rules in his favor to win."
Does finishing one fight a year mean a fighter is trying to finish???
Although extremely boring, the art of Machida kept him on the winning side of fights.
GSP proved against Koscheck that he can win, but has GSP taken over the persona asthe UFC’s most boring?
Over the past two years GSP has only been able to finish two fight. His stoppage against B.J. Penn was without a doubt a rare one and Matt Serra was nothing but a one hit wonder.
While stating that GSP is boring may get its own share of debate, one thing that can’t be questioned is his ability to finish. He has all of the skill in the world, but he chooses not to destroy.
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In his last 15 rounds it is far fetched to find one that he has lost, however it is just as difficult to find one where he laid it all out on the line and pushed for the finish.
Action vs. winning is not a debate. A fighter’s job is to win. Sure, they all say that being interesting is the priority, but winning is everything.
Kalib Starnes, Junie Browning, and Kimbo are all exciting and interesting fighters, but they all sucked!
Is game planning and his camp partially to blame?
Many feel that it is unfair to call GSP boring, and they may be right. GSP’s understanding of MMA is a part of the reason he is arguably the best in the world.
The combination of the brilliant minds in his camp, and his understanding of the fight game put him at an extreme advantage. Combine that with his athletic ability and experience, and you have one of the best ever.
This know how helps him game plan and fight in an intelligent manner. While keeping his chin safe and out of trouble so that he can win is great, it does not always generate highlight reel knockouts, submissions, or strikes.
He is simply not willing to take three or four of their punches to land one of his.
This same safety net also results in him playing a prevent defense. In this case it simply prevents the opponent from doing any real damage, while he does the same.
i expect this debate is going to get a lot of attention and tons of comments!
What do you guys think?
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The answer is no and GSP is not boring by any stretch of the imagination
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by SSreporters on Dec 18, 2010 9:00 PM EST reply actions 14 recs
This.
This. I am absolutely flummoxed in regards to how people can consider GSP boring. Same goes for Fitch. And Machida.
by RagingBoredom on Dec 18, 2010 9:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That answer is simple. The new school fan wants to see action from bell to bell. The same types that don’t see the sport for the art that it is, but another combat sport in which they are rooting for viscious knockouts.
Action from bell to bell no longer entertains me
Now fighters must invent an entirely new move on the spot for me to consider it an entertaining match.
GSP does give action from bell to bell
Anyone who says otherwise is a blind hater. Period.
It's like the evolution of porn
People are no longer satisfied with sex. Now there have to be midgets, animals, balloons, wooden furniture, engine grease, and things you’d find in the dark recesses of a Home Depot.
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by IKilled007 on Dec 19, 2010 7:37 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Machida is one of my very favorite fighters but his Rapmage fight really had me seeing the other side. but one thing that I wish GSP would work on is stringing combos like Machida. Once he gets a chain going in a thing of beauty.
"Of course, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong." - Dennis Miller
I can understand people being bored watching a Fitch fight since it doesn’t look like he fights to finish even when he has someone’s back like in the Alves fight, and he looks to be content holding a dominant position than finishing. The last Machida fight was not the most fun to watch, and the people that I was watching the Machida vs Rampage fight with were not particularly entertained until the third round. Otherwise, Machida got rid of the “boring” label a while back. I don’t feel that anyone was really that bored with the GSP vs Koscheck fight, and GSP makes it a point to stay active in all positions and on the ground, passes to dominant positions and does try to finish.
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I expect this post to get little attention and little comments, because BE is intelligent enough as a whole to know this is retarded. Unless it gets a lot of attention because its retarded, then thats different.
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by ChiCubs23 on Dec 18, 2010 9:11 PM EST reply actions 8 recs
lol at nascar calling someone else boring
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by DamnSevern on Dec 18, 2010 9:58 PM EST reply actions 9 recs
Machida isn’t boring. GSP isn’t boring.
Hell, compared to the two of them, Leonard Garcia is boring as hell. It’s getting a bit tough to get overly excited about a guy who throws everything but the kitchen sink – and misses 99% of the time.
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by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Dec 18, 2010 11:41 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
This new signature of mine, although probably too long, shows one reason that people think they’re boring. However, Sanchez and Forrest have pretty low finish rates too, and people don’t call them boring, so it’s obviously not everything.
UFC Win Finish % (Top 15 with 6 UFC wins): Belfort 100, Penn 92, Florian 91, Velasquez 86, Anderson 83, JDS 83, Mir 83, Franklin 77, Kongo 75, Leben 73, Hughes 72, Sotiropoulos 71, Alves 70, Couture 69, Marquardt 67, Lytle 67, Maia 63, Koscheck 62, Bisping 60, Rampage 50, Kampmann 50, J. Miller 50, GSP 47, Sanchez 45, Okami 40, Evans 40, Forrest 38, Machida 38, Fitch 31, Sherk 25, Edgar 25, Maynard 13
by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Dec 18, 2010 11:49 PM EST reply actions
You guys kill me
Its amazing how fans of a niche sport like MMA cannot understand how people have different views from them. I find GSP’s mastery of technique and unmatched dominance of opponents to be incredible. That doesn’t mean I find him terribly exciting. I used to, but not so much anymore. (the Fitch fight was great) That fanpost from SS Reporters was nice and all…but small flashes of excitement sandwiched in the middle of long periods of yawn just doesn’t do it for me.
I guess there’s a few factors to it for me. Firstly, as others have said, he doesn’t take a lot of risks. Not that I blame him. Secondly, he’s too dominant. No one has been able to challenge him lately. I find myself grasping at straws as to why this challenger is gonna be the one to beat him, and get that fire lit back inside him. Now, when BJ was on top of LW it was different, because he cut through challengers like a buzzsaw.
Can we please stop with the “a real fan would blahdy blahdy blah” shit? GSP just doesn’t get some people’s blood pumping when he fights. I’m a real fan, I like some fights with vicious ko’s, I like hard fought ground battles, whatever.
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by slapjaw ackrite on Dec 19, 2010 12:53 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Yes
It’s possible to see GSP for what he is and not be turned on by it. Floyd Mayweather is a boxer who puts in very dominant performances and still manages to turn people off. GSP is phenominal, I am just not a fan of how his recent fights have gone. I take nothing away from him, he is an amazing fighter, he just doesn’t hold my attention like other fighters do.
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Sad very sad.
Neither Lyoto or GSP are “boring” fighters, so maybe the problem is with you and what you expect from an “MMA” fight.
If you find GSP’s complete domination of the top WW’s in world for 25 minutes over and over again than you really are watch the wrong sport.
Lyoto’s art form is beautiful to watch, taking little damage as possible while beating your opponent, if many other fighters could do that, believe me they would.
Again, these fighters aren’t boring, the problem is in what you find as entertaining and it’s very clear that it’s not watching the best fighters do their thing.
GSP is boring to fans of MMA the way “The Godfather” is boring to fans of “Meet the Spartans”.
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by Goonisis on Dec 19, 2010 1:57 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
except there are legit fans of MMA who find GSP boring
"In this fight, Anderson showed he was human," Nogueira said. "He showed he could be weak. But he showed he is a fighter and he brings something from his heart. It was beautiful."
by Broke Lesnar on Dec 19, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
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"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Dec 19, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Sure
Even a great sport like this has a few people of lower intelligence watching it.
"You stick a microphone in a guy's face and he calls out anybody but the champion, and Joe Silva should fax him a pink slip right then." -- Chael Sonnen.
finding GSP boring isn't at all an indication of IQ.
"In this fight, Anderson showed he was human," Nogueira said. "He showed he could be weak. But he showed he is a fighter and he brings something from his heart. It was beautiful."
by Broke Lesnar on Dec 20, 2010 8:03 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, I bet there's a correlation.
Make two lists: group 1 is all the BE posters who think GSP is boring; group 2 is all the BE posters who think he’s not.
I will demonstrate that the individuals in group two are by and large more intelligent.
"You stick a microphone in a guy's face and he calls out anybody but the champion, and Joe Silva should fax him a pink slip right then." -- Chael Sonnen.
petty arguments serve no purpose here.
That elitist snob attitude is tiring. Calling GSP boring at times is not the a condemnation of him as a person, or as a fighter. Neither is saying that he lacks a killler instinct that other fighters have. Is he the best? Of course he is. Has he had exciting fights? He sure has. Is he a great finisher at this point in his career? No, he isn’t, and to some people that may be boring. Expectations are higher for him, and they should be.
"In this fight, Anderson showed he was human," Nogueira said. "He showed he could be weak. But he showed he is a fighter and he brings something from his heart. It was beautiful."
by Broke Lesnar on Dec 21, 2010 9:03 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Boring is the wrong word then.
GSP works non-step from bell to bell for the whole fight. There is nothing boring about that. Maybe you should use “unsatisfying” to describe his fights if you need a TKO or KO or Submission to be satisfied.
"You stick a microphone in a guy's face and he calls out anybody but the champion, and Joe Silva should fax him a pink slip right then." -- Chael Sonnen.
You cannot quantify what is, or isn't boring to people.
Period. Some people think baseball is boring, and many don’t. The fact that they might find watching GSP fight monotonous or tedious, because they already know exactly what he’s going to do (for the most part) is boring. Going into a fight and almost knowing it will not be finished is boring to some people.
"In this fight, Anderson showed he was human," Nogueira said. "He showed he could be weak. But he showed he is a fighter and he brings something from his heart. It was beautiful."
by Broke Lesnar on Dec 21, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
THIS
I’m in complete agreement with Broke Lesnar. To be honest, I don’t even care about the GSP fight hype, ever since the Dan Hardy fight. It’s like a band I used to like a lot. You can only put up with so many let down CDs before you don’t care anymore. And personally, being 99% sure that GSP isn’t gonna finish, makes him boring for me as soon as the opening bell. Sure, his displays are beautiful, but it’s just not enough for me.
by RobSchneider'sSuccessfulTwin on Dec 22, 2010 8:38 AM EST up reply actions
This post sucks
You sound like you need a tampon. They have them on sale at Walmart.
I'm gonna give you three seconds; exactly three-fucking-seconds to wipe that stupid looking grin off your face or I will gouge out your eyeballs and skull-fuck you!
No, but
you just took overtook some other guy as BE’s worst fan poster.
by Revolver on Dec 19, 2010 10:58 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
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