M-1 Says No Fedor on Strikeforce in January, February Possible
by Nate Wilcox on Dec 18, 2010 12:24 PM EST
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It seems like just yesterday we were excitedly relating the possibility that Fedor Emelianenko would deign to honor his final fight with Strikeforce by facing Antonio Silva on January 29th. Oh wait, it was just yesterday.
Well here's M-1 Global's Evgeni Kogan pouring icy cold water all over that idea to MMA Junkie:
"We are really hoping that we can finalize things as soon as possible," M-1 representative Evgeni Kogan told MMAjunkie.com. "We have been steadily working toward an agreement. And I think we are closer to it now than we have been in the past."
Kogan added that Jan. 29 is "not on the table," though he declined to discuss further details of negotiations.
It's a bit like Lucy, Charlie Brown and the football and we all now how that ends.
My last post on M-1's "Soviet Style Negotiations" seems more accurate by the day, despite Mr. Kogan's angry objections.
UPDATE: Sherdog has more:
Officially, there has been no word from either Strikeforce or M-1 regarding the bout. Sherdog.com could not confirm whether the deal has been inked, but both sides have reportedly agreed in principle to the Silva-Emelianenko matchup. Though the bout was originally rumored to be a part of Strikeforce's Jan. 29 card, it now appears that February will be the month in which Emelianenko makes his return. Further details regarding the Russian's contract are unknown at this time, but M-1 is pushing for Fedor to fight sooner rather than later.
The proposed bout with Silva has come out of compromise, as M-1 has made no secret about its desire for an Emelianenko-Werdum rematch. For Strikeforce, however, the Werdum rematch is unattractive. Of the limited list of possible opponents other than Werdum, "Bigfoot" was the name M-1 reportedly chose.
According to Strikeforce CEO Scott Coker, however, Emelinenko has not yet signed a contract.
That's not quite as bad as the previous report made it sound.
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Showtime needs to stop needs to stop negotiating with these assholes. M-1 should not have the same leverage as they did before the Werdum fight. They shouldn’t be able to get the copromotion deal for Fedor anymore.
by Rob Young on Dec 18, 2010 12:29 PM EST via mobile reply actions
M-1 has leverage because Fedor is still a HUGE attraction
Just look at this website for example. The first article speculating on a January fight with Bigfoot has over 500 comments while this one has well over 250. Diehards follow his every move. Even some casual fans know him now cause of his dismantling of Brett Rogers on network TV. Other casual fans simply know him as the Russian. Point is, he’s known, HIGHLY respected, and STILL thought of as the world’s best fighter, let alone heavyweight, by scores of fans. He’s SF’s biggest draw and M-1 knows this. I’m not defending M-1, but SF needs to keep the conversation alive…for it’s own good.
by Sucker-Lite on Dec 19, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
fuck
why do i always get my hopes up when it comes to positive fedor news…. i swear this is the last time, im not buying it anymore
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by SheepleBuster on Dec 18, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Jay Leno > Dane Cook
I’ve set the bar low there.
Accustomed to mediocrity.
by SSreporters on Dec 18, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Very low
Like asking me which piece of shit I’d rather eat, with or without sprinkles.
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by Charles Awad on Dec 18, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Let's all rec this
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 18, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
I believe that was my point too :)
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by SheepleBuster on Dec 18, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Top 10 fighter, so yeah, why is he fighting him?
Bigfoot and Fedor both lost to Werdum. Fedor doesn’t really deserve a title shot, despite meeting SF’s criteria by losing his last fight. Ao isn’t fighting in SF until late Spring, most likely. Werdum is still out. Mike Kyle waiting until 1 week before the fight to step in.
This fight actually makes a lot of sense to me.
The four highest ranked fighters under the SF banner are Fedor #3, Werdum #4, Overeem #8, and Bigfoot #10. Since Werdum beat Fedor he gets a shot at Overeem, leaving Silva for Fedor. This makes so much sense I don’t know why SF is thinking about or why anyone would complain about it.
by John Nash on Dec 18, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yep. http://www.bloodyelbow.com/rankings/heavyweight/detail/300340
Or did you mean your own imaginary rankings?
imaginary?
Just like all the rankings you mean?
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by HitokiriX on Dec 18, 2010 7:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That was pretty much his point
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 18, 2010 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
Come on man
This is the heavyweight division. You don’t exactly have to run down a murderers row to make it into the top ten. I’d love to see everyone’s rankings that don’t have these two in the top ten.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 18, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Number 9 and 10 on my current list based on fights since 2008:
1. Cain is 6-0 with wins over #1, #4, #12, #19 – including current # 5 and 8
2. Junior Dos Santos is 7-0 with wins over #5. #15, #15, #18, #22 – including current #3
3. Werdum is 5-1 with wins over #1, #4, #16, #22 (current # 4 and 10) and lost an unranked opponent (current #2)
4. Fedor is 3-1 with wins over #2, #5, #8 and a loss to #9
5. Brock is 4-2 with wins over #3, #3, #7, #12 (including current #6 & 7) and losses to #4 (current #1) and an unranked (current #7) opponent
6. Shane Carwin 5-1 with wins over #3 and #9 (including current #7) and a loss to #2 (current #5)
7. Frank Mir 3-2 with wins over #2 and #17 (including current #8) and losses to #5 and #6 (including current #5 and #6)
8. Big Nog 2-2 with wins over #5 and #5 and losses to #10 and # 6 (including current #1 and #7)
9. Alistair Overeem 8-0 with a win over #10
10. Bigfoot Silva 5-1 with a win over #10 and a loss #12 (current #3)
by John Nash on Dec 18, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Quality list
I think I would agree with this.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 18, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
Yep, that seems to make the most sense.
And it makes me realize just how thin the UFC’s heavyweight division is.
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by McKinley B. Noble on Dec 18, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
Although I don’t particularly like rankings, this is about as good a list as I can imagine.
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by Rundownloser on Dec 18, 2010 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
My favorite part of this list
Overeem has the greatest number of fights and fewest fights against ranked opponents.
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by Derek Suboticki on Dec 18, 2010 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
Kind of explains why he is at number 9 on the list, doesn’t it.
by John Nash on Dec 19, 2010 12:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Overeem is top 5 in my opinion
But there is no way in hell Silva is top 10. It’s a sad day for journalists and these ranking guys if Silva is considered top 10. Top 15? Maybe
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by SheepleBuster on Dec 18, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
Overeem is built for top five, no doubt
But he needs to fight better competition. He’ll have no problem getting there when he does.
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by Charles Awad on Dec 18, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Overeem is clearly
one of the 5 best heavyweights, but he will need another dominant win to justify being ranked there…
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by The American Ronin on Dec 19, 2010 1:18 AM EST up reply actions
Fedor doesn't give a @#$!
Fedor has made it crystal clear that he doesn’t give a sh*t about his fans or MMA. It was a short if brilliant stint, he’s made his money, now see ya suckers.
I see where M1 is coming from, I mean, there’s no way that taking a fight everyone thinks that Fedor should win on a card featuring one of Strikeforce’s biggest mainstream media draws could be helpful in any way. Keep up the good work.
by Phildo on Dec 18, 2010 12:30 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Strikeforce should really drop him
He doesn’t boost their numbers enough to warrant all this effort. And then Fedor can go off and fight in regional shows in Russian and realize he’s not that special
You mean like refusing to fight at a weight 1 pound more than he says he will and, along with Mayhem, mucking up SF’s possible biggest drawing fight?
Oh come on mang
Mayhem is being way too vocal to not just concede.
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by Charles Awad on Dec 18, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Fuck M-1
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by MrTechnique420 on Dec 18, 2010 12:31 PM EST reply actions
Damn!
I already booked my flight!
Fedor is ducking Bigfoot!
Down with M1!
Shocking, just shocking. Who is this Fedor guy everyone keeps talking about anyways?
Scott Coker to Sherdog: “It’s hard to talk about opponents. Normally, you talk to someone about opponents only after you have a contract with somebody.”
I’m sorry, I guess we were all under the impression that you had Fedor under contract for another fight, Scott.
This whole situation is such a joke.
Penick, you of all people should be aware that they do indeed have Fedor under contract for a third fight – a fight that is contractually obligated to be a ppv. Now would you recommend that Coker hold a ppv to finish out that contract?
I was blanking on the fact that it was ppv obligated, you’re correct. But that doesn’t make this entire situation any less maddening.
by Jamie Penick on Dec 18, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
But why is it maddening? There was no announcement for the fight. It was an unofficial leak about a possible fight, that still may or may not be going down in Feb. I’m going to wait for Coker’s announcement on his big plans for HW next year before I start reacting. Now if the new years comes and no word from him, then I’ll start getting distressed.
by John Nash on Dec 18, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think it’s maddening because Fedor was defeated in a minute and a half, suffered no injury, and yet will be going on eight months out of action at best if this fight comes in February. The fact that negotiations with M-1 pushed the Werdum fight to Showtime instead of CBS is maddening. I think it’d be best if all sides just kept entirely quiet until they had an announcement, because they continue to make statements without any substance. And I hope Coker has legitimate plans for this heavyweight division and can get fights together with an announcement in the new year, but he doesn’t exactly have a great track record with these types of things.
by Jamie Penick on Dec 18, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
I only expect Fedor to fight 1, maybe 2 times a year max. He’s fought 35 times in his career so if he wants to collect the biggest paycheck for one fight, I’m not going to begrudge him. As for negotiations they were guaranteed to be a problem as soon he lost to Werdum as the original plan and contract were out the window. Now the CBS Show…
People project a lot on M-1 and Fedor for perceived malicious intentions, but always ignore the most obvious example with the CBS show. It’s not that they held out and renegotiated because Strikeforce didn’t promote them enough (that’s understandable if they had an agreement that wasn’t carried through) it’s that the whole reason they renegotiated might be because Fedor hurt his hand in sambo and wouldn’t be available for the card. Instead of telling SF he couldn’t do it, they decided to take advantage of his absence and try and get more concessions. That’s sleazy.
nottheface has it right. It wasn’t SF or K1 that shit the bed here it was mmaweekly. Now Sherdog thinks they got the right fight just the wrong date. Blaming M1 and SF for this fight not appearing is like going on a rage because the UFC is no longer putting the GSP/Silvia fight on the next card. They never said it would be.
Here is the link to the Sherdog story.
Link
do you know that ppv is still obligated after the loss?
I wonder if it was in the contract where a loss would change the ppv deal. Losers don’t get to headline.
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by the-gentle-way on Dec 18, 2010 1:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What fight?
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by MrTechnique420 on Dec 18, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
The hypothetical fight that may or may not ever happen?
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by Matthew Roth on Dec 18, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
When a fight is hypothetical
You know M-1 is involved.
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by MrTechnique420 on Dec 18, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
in communist russia
contracts renegotiate you
we mutha fuckin thug life riders westsiiiide till we die
by cosmic fist technique on Dec 18, 2010 1:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It seems like just yesterday we were excitedly relating the possibility that Fedor Emelianenko would deign to honor his final fight with Strikeforce by facing Antonio Silva on January 29th. Oh wait, it was just yesterday.
awesome.
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by Horselover Fat on Dec 18, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
well
It’s not like the MMA media always report reliable thing. Maybe some guy heard they were fighting with no real confirmation.
But another hatin’ on M1 article is fun for the punters.
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FUCK M-1
As a huge Fedor fan, I will begin to accept he is retired. Thanks Strikeforce for trying.
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FUCK M-1
and Fedor too for that matter. He literally destroyed his legacy by sticking to these exploiters.
by nevergoasstomouth on Dec 18, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
That's a little bit unfair
Fedor owns a 20% stake in M-1 and I think it’s naive to say he has no idea about how they’re negotiating.
If that's so then...
FUCK FEDOR AND M-1! FUCK THEM TO THEIR ASSES!!!!!!
by nevergoasstomouth on Dec 18, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
it's naive to think that it matters what Fedor wants
These are shady Russian gangsters. Fedor is just an athlete.
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Thanks Strikeforce
That’s a great point. Strikeforce has bent over backwards to get the fans what they want on this account. At the same time, this proves everything Dana White has said about M-1. Sounds like M-1 is sh*t out of excuses.
I’m just confused why Strikeforce still thinks this is some sort of equal partnership.
It’s clear by looking at the picture that since M1 has 2 representatives and Fedor had to be front and center while standing on something to make him that much taller that M1 feels they are not equal partners with Strikeforce, and that Coker should bend down for them.
Well......
I gotta say I’m beginning to get over Fedor ever being in the UFC. I could really care less if I ever see that guy fight again! Fedor needs to man up and try to get rid of his management and be a fighter a fuking fight dammit. His legacy will be tarnished by his own management.
Fedor is his own boss.
His legacy was already tarnished by himself, a long time ago.
Well whatever it is......
Fedor needs to get a fuking clue and wake up before he becomes irrelevant. Which I think is already happening as we speak.
nothing you post on the internet
can take away from his record, which is the best one in the history of MMA.
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No other top fighter in the history of mma has a record filled with ducking and choosing fights either.
I’m a huge Couture fan but someone could easily make the same argument about him. Jumped to HW when Tim Sylvia, a fighter he knew he had a shot against, held the belt. Refused to defend the belt against Big Nog or Werdum. Defended the belt only after he got 2-1 Brock as an opponent. Later took on Coleman and James Toney and now has retired unless he gets Machida or Rua.
As far as bending logic to suit you goes, that's a pretty good job of it
Nobody gave him a chance against Sylvia— that’s why it was such an amazing feat. And he wanted to leave to fight Fedor— considered unbeatable at the time.
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by Charles Awad on Dec 18, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly. Which is why I chose him, because it’s ludicrous to think Couture was hiding from opposition. But Couture did and pick and choose his opponents, if merely for financial reasons. People love to throw out the idea that Fedor is ducking opponents, as if he is actively staying away from Overeem, when even a cursory examination blows holes in that theory. He signed with Affliction with the sole intent of fighting Couture and ended up signing to fight the top 3 fighters they had (#5 Sylvia, #2 Arlovski, #2 Barnett). The only top 5 fighter off that list where Couture – who couldn’t get out of his contract – and Big Nog – whom he’d already beaten twice. If signing with Affliction was a plan to duck it was a shitty plan.
He then signed with Strikeforce because they are willing to do what the UFC is not, co-promote. As soon as he signs Coker, Vadim, everyone widely and openly discusses the plan to have Fedor fight Overeem on ppv for the 3rd fight of his contract. He fights #8 Rogers – the highest ranked SF fighter and who was ranked #8 before the fight was announced – with the announced plan of fighting the winner of Werdum/Silva as his next opponent. And guess what, he fights Werdum. I miss the part where he skipped fighting someone somewhere.
We can be annoyed or even disqusted with m-1 negotiating tactics, but I don’t know where the idea of him perpetually ducking opponents comes from. In fact, people seem to be preoccupied with the relatively tame demands and skip the truly sleazy stuff coming from them.
by John Nash on Dec 18, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I don't think he's ducking anyone out of fear
I don’t think many people do, in fact. It’s all about bad business.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 18, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
I think most are under the opinion that he’s trying to protect his record by not signing with the UFC – even back in 2008 – or meeting Overeem – even though that fight was always planned to be the 3rd on their contract.
And I’m replying to you because I don’t want to get in a debate with the partisans of either camp on here.
I already have
And it’s hurting my brainz.
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by Charles Awad on Dec 18, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
Moving up a weight class to fight the champ is ducking? He didnt fight Nog because he wanted to fight Fedor who was considered the best at the time not because he wanted an easier fight.
If couture is the closest thing to Fedors planned out and protected career then he’s got problems.
You are hilarious. Who are we supposed to believe the man was ducking again?
by Jonathan Snowden on Dec 18, 2010 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
why brock of course (cue the dance party)
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by the-gentle-way on Dec 18, 2010 11:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thanks for reminding me not to give a shit about what Fedor does M-1
Being interested in what Fedor does is becoming a sadistic tease with every announcement and subsequent denial from his fucking dirtbag management company.
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Strikeforce should dump Fedor and tell M-1 to suck it.
Accustomed to mediocrity.
by SSreporters on Dec 18, 2010 12:58 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Thats beginning to look like the best solution
There are a couple of great matches for fedor in sf but they will never happen by the sounds of things. Sf needs to stop wasting time and effort on this whole ordeal
M-1 is like the really hot girl who won't have sex.
Sure she’ll make out with you, maybe even grab your dick. But when it comes down to it, the panties stay on. Everyone’s disappointed, except her. She got what she came for, she already came twice. Now I’m left with the bill, and at that point, there’s nothing left to do but fuck myself.
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I agree
Fedor doesn’t pull in enough money to justify having these protracted, Mayweather/Pacquiao-esque negotiations, best heavyweight ever or not. I really believe Strikeforce is the biggest promotion that will play this game and guarantee pay; let’s see if the hardball continues if Coker won’t cut him any more checks.
And honestly, I’m a big fan of Fedor in the ring. I just want to see the dude fight like every other top-shelf fighter.
surprised to hear this from you but to be honest, it’s the exact thought that came into my mind… i dont think the ufc would be interested either, which would eliminate his imaginary bargaining advantage that shouldve, at the least, been somewhat diminished after this last loss
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by cosmic fist technique on Dec 18, 2010 1:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
We have a better chance of seeing Pacquaio vs Mayweather than Fedor in the UFC.
by BrothaDarkness on Dec 18, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
The negotiation process
Coker – How about we have fedor fight bigfoot?
M1 – Only on our watch. I dont care if fedor is coming off of a loss, we choose how much we get paid, where they fight, and when they will fight.
Coker – Ya know, usually i’d be ok with that, but i think those demands are kinda extreme…
M1 – Are you going against us?
Coker – Well, not exactly…
M1 – BEND OVER!!
Coker – sigh not again…
by rockyman500 on Dec 18, 2010 1:17 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
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i wish i could rec this from my phone…
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rec'd on behalf of cosmic fist technique.
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by Broke Lesnar on Dec 18, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
thanks!
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by cosmic fist technique on Dec 18, 2010 4:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I like how
people react as if this is some sort of surprise. I will be glad when Fedor is finally retired, just so we can stop hearing about how Fedor wants to fight, and then doesn’t. I’m sure Fedor would be perfectly happy retiring today, so I don’t hold out for him being active any time soon. He doesn’t have the motivation to fight the way other fighters do (eg: money, challenge, prove haters wrong, etc). He just doesn’t care, which is what makes him kinda cool yet retarded at the same time. Waiting to hear about Fedor’s next fight is like waiting for answers to questions in a letter.
More M1 negotiation......
They say they are in, they they pull out and demand more money or whatever. It’s sicking. I wish Strikeforce would have never signed him. I wonder who he’d be trying to screw then?
From the original article:
“Sources close to the negotiations informed MMAWeekly.com that the fight is in the works for the 2011 card, with Fedor returning to action for the first time since his loss to Fabricio Werdum in June.”
So the fight was never set in the first place by any account.
Close to the negotiations?
Did they pull the waiter off the hotel staff?
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You know he's humble dude with all the......
respect for all the fights but no respect for us the FANS!!!! WTF!!!
So now M-1 has to blow the steam out of my first fanpost?
Bastards.
Fitch's only fan. It's lonely, being me.
Nothing has changed folks. Negotiations between M-1 and SHO have been ongoing for months to get M-1 programming on SHO. It seems they are getting close to completion. Yesterday, someone likely from Silva’s camp, leaked that a bout between Silva and Fedor is being negotiated probably for the 29th to someone at MMA Weekly. Then, M-1 walks it back a bit and says the negotiation with SHO aren’t done but they are close. Both stories get reported. However, the response here is “Fuck Fedor”. So, who is responsible for the Fedor hate? Is it Fedor or is it sites that report every little thing or is it Dana who speaks his hate so those who believe his every word look for verification no matter what it is? Fedor is a fighter, he is also part owner of a small but growing MMA promotion. That promotion is on the verge of doing what so many try desperately to; find a TV home in the US. I know we, including myself, want it on our timetable. That is not realistic.
by memitim on Dec 18, 2010 1:58 PM EST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
Only you would defend their negotiation tactics
Don’t pretend to know more about the situation than some of the people reporting on it. Go back a few days if you need a crash course on Soviet style negotiations.
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by Charles Awad on Dec 18, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
don't pretend to know more about the situation?
The fight was never confirmed.
This is a non-story.
"I'm Back."
Yeah, Nate is causing misinformation
Spare me. Fights regularly come to fruition long before they’re on a poster. People like to bend truths to best appeal to them. If people can’t behave with some sort of universal consistency, it shows their silly allegiances to corporations they have no personal stake in. One day, people are nailing Sean Shelby to a cross for not airing the immortal Brad Pickett against Menjivar, but now we’re powdering M-1’s bottoms because this is an ongoing process? If you have any wits about you at all you know what’s really happening here. It’s called a precedent.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 18, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
how am I "causing misinformation"?
I clearly labeled yesterday’s post as a “Report”. I like to keep our readers up to date on what’s being reported by the top sites. MMA Weekly isn’t some rumor monger like MMA Bay or MiddleEasy that has a shitty rep and no credibility. BElitists know enough to make up their own minds, our job is just to present the information as accurately as possible. Evgeni Kogan refuses to speak to me after the “Soviet Style” post so it is what it is.
Follow me on Twitter @KidNate
Dude, read the context
Sarcasm.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 18, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Well
Nobody ever said misinformation.
But lets be honest here, how strikeforce makes fights isn’t like in the UFC. There are a lot more factors involved.
Nowhere had anybody said that these two signed a contract to fight.
I think the collective internets getting pissy at M-1 for making a fight they didn’t make and then pulling out when they didn’t pull out is a bunch of silliness.
Not that M-1 are frustrating and annoying, but hey, this is the fight game.
"I'm Back."
It’s not a matter of knowing more, it’s a matter of paying attention. Nothing has changed. M-1 wants a TV deal. SHO can say no anytime they want. They haven’t. In fact, it looks like it is happening. Damn that M-1 for making their promotion better and getting it more exposure.
by memitim on Dec 18, 2010 2:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yawn
That very concept doesn’t offend your sensibilities, and I think that unfortunate fact tells me everything about you I’ll ever have to know.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 18, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
What concept? A company trying to grow? You know what, don’t bother responding to my posts if you can’t be rational and have a normal discussion. Just move on.
by memitim on Dec 18, 2010 2:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Don't argue rationale with me
How absurd is that? You have no ability to appeal to reason. In situations such as these, you regularly resort to defending whatever ridiculous act is being committed by the party at fault. The idea that a management team is parlaying a single fighter— coming off a loss, no less— to obtain a television contract, is staggering. And your hilarious insistence that it’s fair play because Showtime is entertaining it shows that you know nothing about business.
I have a house in Bermuda I’d like to sell you.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 18, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
You seem to get pretty confrontational/annoyed with internet arguments
BOOSH
by Farthammer on Dec 18, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Great
Nothing intelligent to offer, as usual.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 18, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
did you get your lunch money taken alot for being mouthy in school?
I get that vibe. Like a lot of wedgies were in your past.
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
by the-gentle-way on Dec 18, 2010 3:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yes, constantly
Took a few brooms up the ass in the locker room, too, so now I take it out on the internet.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 18, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
we've
All been there…..amirite?
Needless to say that’s why I no longer do ghb in tijuana mexico.
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
by the-gentle-way on Dec 18, 2010 3:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe that's why I still do?
What a breakthrough.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 18, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe I can get really fired up and tell people their ideas are stupid?
And hopefully this will disguise the fact that my arguments suck? Then when someone refutes them, I can say something like “d00d, I run a business your argument is bullshit your point sucks”…or I can just try and be funny.
BOOSH
Try being the key word
Maybe a dick joke or something? This was flat.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 18, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
Which one?
Because neither of my comments you have replied to have been attempts at humor; just observations on how you get very riled up and testy on the internet.
BOOSH
HA
testy
When in Rome we shall do as the Romans, when in Hell we do shots at the bar.
by Barack Lesnar on Dec 18, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
I get riled up?
You’re the genius that is bringing my experience in business into the conversation out of frustration for your inability to add anything to the narrative. I avoid bringing up my training, personal and professional life at every possible turn. You’re the worst ad hominem offender on this site— rarely discussing topics (unless— to a shocking degree of frustration I could never dream to match— angrily calling Dana a cocksucker or wannabe fighter), but butting in to take sides when two people are.
I mean, I can resort to that too… Let’s see— I’m sorry that I’m not a middle school teacher that can apply his one year of tae kwon do training to his stance on MMA and scold BE members like unruly children when he sees fit?
Stop trying to be a hall monitor.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 18, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
Really. What the fuck are you talking about? Do you have a clue? Fedor has one fight left on a co-promotion deal. Co-promotion. Which is supposed to be on PPV. If Strikeforce and SHO are not going to extend the contract then the co-promotion deal calls for a PPV fight and M-1 wants Werdum. So, there are two options. Let Fedor go and finish out the existing contract with a premature PPV or extend the contract. M-1 says we want four of our shows on SHO this year if we are going to keep Fedor fighting for Strikeforce. SHO can say yes or no. They said yes and it’s not a bad decision. The goal of SHO and Strikeforce is to get on PPV. the goal for M-1 is to get US exposure for their Challenge series. The goal for Fedor is to avenge his loss first and foremost and fight a few more bouts before Bengalis it quits. Everyone is trying to get what they want. But, then there are folks like yourself who just bitch about it and try to demean anyone who disagrees with you. Sorry, this is the real world.
by memitim on Dec 18, 2010 2:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
You just dynamited any argument you were posing when you suggested that the fight wasn't official and we don't know the details
Then you went on to presume about 100 pieces of information in your reply.
And just because you can’t eloquently pose your point of view doesn’t mean you have to gradually wane away from your talking points and make insipid remarks about how I’m here to demean everyone and that I don’t know anything about the real world. What the fuck does M-1 and MMA promotional negotiations have to do with the real world? Try something more applicable.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 18, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
Once again, what the fuck are you talking about? I didn’t dynamite my point. My original point was this has been an ongoing process that is close to resolution that will result in Fedor fighting soon and M-1 getting on SHO. Tell me specifically what I’m saying that you find either not true or disagree with. But stop your drama.
by memitim on Dec 18, 2010 2:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The fact you think that anyone involved saying “this is close to resolution” means anything is your problem. Especially when history and other statements coming out from other people involved point to the opposite.
Guillotine.
What statements from other people? All I hear from Coker, Kogan, Silva’s camp, etc is that this is close to resolution. I said yesterday there is always a chance of a “Crazy Ivan” and Fedor goes to the UFC but right now it seems this is on the verge of happening. And remember, Kogan is a completely different animal from Vadim. He has done a solid job with M-1 since he took over.
by memitim on Dec 18, 2010 3:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
same animal
Different member of the pack.
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
by the-gentle-way on Dec 18, 2010 3:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Completely different animal. He is Russian but wasn’t raised in Russia. He is young and doesn’t carry the same mentality of the older “Soviet” Russian businessman. He speaks English fluently. He is infinitely more pragmatic. M-1 has flourished since he took over.
by memitim on Dec 18, 2010 3:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm really having a hard time believing this
How on earth would you know what sort of mentality Kogan has, short of knowing him personally? I mean, you’re aware that the basis of this argument we’re having is that you think MMAWeekly reporting on Silva/Fedor was erroneous, right? Now Kogan is friendly at social gatherings and finds baking ginger snaps a guilty pleasure? Suggesting that somehow, because he’s not Russian born, he’s more rational (which is not what the term implies) is kind of offensive.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 18, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
First, it’s a simple thing as reading and listening to interviews. If you take some time to listen to Evgeni he is night and day from Vadim and Apy in his approach. Luke did a great interview with him earlier this year. If you have dealt with older soviet era Russians and have dealt with younger Russian businessmen you would know what I’m talking about. They are night and day different.
Second, I never ever said the MMAWeekly was erroneous in their report. My guess is they were talking to Silva’s camp. It’s probably true. My point is just because things aren’t exactly the way yesterday’s report said they MIGHT be doesn’t mean that Fedor, Coker, and M-1 are all assholes. This is being worked out. As I stated to begin my first post on this topic, nothing has changed.
by memitim on Dec 18, 2010 3:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I deal with an OLDER Russian businessman and his Ukrainian partner on a day-to-day basis
And they are two of the most pleasant people I deal with on a day-to-day basis. The term does not imply that it is relegated to Russians, but this party happens to be both. You’re taking a lot of creative liberties here, hombre… The idea that you can infer anything about a person from their professional demeanor in the public eye is a curious one.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 18, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
“The idea that you can infer anything about a person from their professional demeanor in the public eye is a curious one.” What? Dana has built the UFC on his professional demeanor in the public eye. You absolutely can infer a ton from how one behaves in public.
by memitim on Dec 18, 2010 4:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Universally
Clemens do the roids. Tiger fucks hookers. Enron. Politics. You picked such an obscure example that has no professional precedent. Do I really have to do this?
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 18, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
What the fuck are you talking about again? You are telling menthat over time and many opportunities you can’t get an idea about a person who is in the public eye in today’s twitter world. Please. Now you are just argueing for the sake of being annoying. Move on dude.
by memitim on Dec 18, 2010 4:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You're not very good at stating your point
This is truly ridiculous.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 18, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
Tiger Woods broke his heart
When in Rome we shall do as the Romans, when in Hell we do shots at the bar.
by Barack Lesnar on Dec 18, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He refuses to believe any of it.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 18, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
Sex addiction is real dammit!
When in Rome we shall do as the Romans, when in Hell we do shots at the bar.
by Barack Lesnar on Dec 18, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
There you go again
But stop your drama.
Just stick to the conversation, fella. I’ve made my point abundantly clear. Defending M-1’s negotiations is akin to defending a pharmaceutical company. And you’re not even playing devil’s advocate— you apparently agree with them. If it’s not clear to you that I don’t like them and the way that they do business, and that I want to see Fedor fight more than once a fucking year while he’s in his competitive prime— now it should be. I don’t need people constantly reminding me that I seem contentious— that shit it old news.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 18, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Defending M-1 is akin to defending a pharma company? What? They are a tiny company with a little more than a dozen full time employees trying to grow and build a solid business model. They have one. The M-1 Challenge series is damn entertaining. They are producing quality MMA prospects from all different parts of the world. It’s good for the sport. Now they have a chance to get on US TV and they have a willing partner. What the fuck is the problem?
by memitim on Dec 18, 2010 3:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Oh geez
Dude, we’ve come to a stalemate. You like M-1, I hate M-1. Enjoy your weekend.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 18, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
I like MMA. Whether it be M-1, Sengoku, DREAM, MFC, UFC, Strikeforce, Bellator, Shark. I watch them all and want more chances to watch them all. If I have to wait another month to see Fedor fight in order to get to see more of M-1’s prospects, or anyone’s, grow and get seen I’ll wait the extra month. Later.
by memitim on Dec 18, 2010 3:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If I have to wait another month to see Fedor fight……….
That is not what this is about. If your girlfriend cheats on you, then sometime later on down the line she explains that she has a new male friend— those circumstances are not isolated. You follow?
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 18, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
No, I don’t follow. Strikeforce and SHO can end this right now and give Fedor his third fight on PPV as promised. If they don’t want to do that or if they want to extend the contract then they need a new deal. That’s all.
by memitim on Dec 18, 2010 3:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Didn’t think you would. We have very different expectations of people, it seems (meaning you and just about everyone else here).
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 18, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
You are saying you and everyone else here doesn’t expect people to either honor their contract or rengotiate if that isn’t possible. Got it. Happy to see you are speaking for everyone now. You might want to adjust that tin foil hat a bit.
by memitim on Dec 18, 2010 4:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
My point is clear
Most people around here don’t agree with how M-1 does business. I truly enjoy how you have no response to my observation regarding what you think of Russian businessmen. Be proud that I might mention you on Monday!
And in case it’s unclear to you (it is) a tin foil hat suggests that I think a conspiracy is abound. Do you have macros set to your F-keys that simply partition out random interweb-barbs to foot your comments? How inventive!
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 18, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
Ok, tell me about your Russian business friends. Where were they in Soviet Russia? What was their station? Do they still live there? If not, when did they leave?
I never said they aren’t nice people. They are. But, the higher level Soviet era businessmen are distrusting of Western businessmen.
by memitim on Dec 18, 2010 4:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What a bizarre request
All you need to know is they live in Minneapolis and own/operate a fabricating shop that does huge business locally. This is truly silly..
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 18, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Are they Soviet era businessmen who lived and worked in Soviet Russia and were high up on the social status. That is the kind of businessman Vadim is. Are your Russian friends having dinner with Putin? These are the types that are distrusting of Westerners screwing them.
by memitim on Dec 18, 2010 4:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hahaha
This is terrible stuff, man. It’s obvious you’re backpedaling from your stance that Russians have a universal negotiating status.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 18, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
I mean..
You could have just as well said that Vadim come from wealth, but you went out of your way to indicate that the differences were Kogan’s english speaking ability. Why make that point? It’s evident you keep changing the rules here… Oh, they had to know Putin? That’s the source of the term? You’re coming off as terribly uninformed.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 18, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
No. Once again you aren’t getting it. The Pre-Soviet business mentality is different from the Post-Soviet one. People who were raised in the different eras look at the world very differently. This isn’t breaking news.
by memitim on Dec 18, 2010 4:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And I know what the tin hat infers. Typically that someone is delusional.
by memitim on Dec 18, 2010 4:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
No, it doesn't
And there is absolutely nothing in that comment that suggests delusion. You’re the one that thinks there is an abundance of people that agree with your defense of M-1..
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 18, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, keep pitting words in my mouth while keeping your fingers in your ears. You helped me waste some time as my daughter’s friend BBall game just ended. That’s about all this was worth.
by memitim on Dec 18, 2010 5:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What the fuck??
I don’t care what you’re doing, you came here.. What the hell is wrong with people? I’m here to talk about MMA.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 18, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
You are saying you and everyone else here doesn’t expect people to either honor their contract or rengotiate if that isn’t possible. Got it. Happy to see you are speaking for everyone now. You might want to adjust that tin foil hat a bit.
by memitim on Dec 18, 2010 4:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Agreed memitim
People just fly off the handle … chill the f*ck out!
http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Fedor-Silva-Targeted-for-February-28857
Seriously. When is Brock fighting next? JDS has been the #1 contender for months. Yet, Cain and JDS hasn’t been set yet. It’s been two months since Cain won the title. Why don’t we have a date? Dana does many things well, he runs a tight ship.
by memitim on Dec 18, 2010 2:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
so true man
He has half these media clowns so scared that they badmouth Fedor steady … its sad really … the GOAT and Dana is too worried about his ego … if he respected Fedor I would respect and enjoy the UFC a lot more … but alas … he is a businessman first, MMA fan 2nd, and he def has the gift to gab.
Does Dana pick and chose his fights along with Joe Silva?
by memitim on Dec 18, 2010 4:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
How is that the same??
Do you really believe this stuff? One fighter does not a promotion make.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 18, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
What part of co-promotion don’t you understand? You may not like the fact that it is a co-promotion, but it is.
by memitim on Dec 18, 2010 4:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Just when I think this couldn't get any harder to believe....
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 18, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly. You just don’t get it. Blackout, Blackout.
by memitim on Dec 18, 2010 4:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And to think....
These leeches took exception to Dana White calling them irrationally bargaining crazy Russians.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
Like I said, there are those who look for validation of what Dana says no matter what it is.
by memitim on Dec 18, 2010 2:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
Without fail
You turn it to that. Total non sequitur. Keep it up, you’re great at this.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 18, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks, great having a discussion with you. When you take your fingers out of your earn and stop shouting “lalalalalalala!” maybe we can talk. Till then, don’t bother please. Thanks.
by memitim on Dec 18, 2010 2:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 5 recs
Right
Don’t shit in your socks because you can’t keep up.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 18, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
Oh look more fedor news
my bad same shit as usual. all speculation and memitim defending m1/fedor. just like the no news yesterday. LOL
I’m sure he’ll find that encouraging.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 18, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
haha.
At least yours was rec’d in irony. Seriously, who keeps rec’ing his previous comments? Is it possible to rec yourself?
It's not possible to rec yourself
You need to check yourself before you can proceed with self-rec.
Accustomed to mediocrity.
Not everyone around here likes me
And I don’t know how I’ll cope.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 18, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
ghb in mexico?
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
by the-gentle-way on Dec 18, 2010 3:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
.....
I’ll pack my handkerchief.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 18, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
lol
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
by the-gentle-way on Dec 18, 2010 3:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You know what......
I’m so pissed I would like to challenge Fedor to a tables ladders and chair match. Loser leaves mma for good!
Well, since it's not official
Nobody can take task with this if it falls apart.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 18, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
"
M1 May Be The Bad Guy, But StrikeForce is the Studid Guy
While it is true that M1 is killing the golden goose, so to speak, let us be clear that it takes two to tango here. Anyone can make outrageous demands and without services and be called a foolish nob, but if that same person, or in this case organization, does so AND the other party decides to accept those outrageous demands when it is completely within their power to say no and walk, then the situation is changed and “blame” must be levied on Strikeforce for not concentrating money, time and promotion on developing their own talent. Therefore, M1, though goofs in every respect, are not to blame as much as Strikeforce is to be questioned as to their business plan and negotiating fortitude. It is an old adage that one should reconsider entering negotiations if one is unwilling to walk away and accept the consequences of doing so. Otherwise, it is an extremely weak position that is rarely able to be hidden for any length of time.
The questions that I still have is whether Fedor actually helps, directly or indirectly, Strikeforce as a promotion? Does he bring in the numbers? Does his presence help with the promotion is some intangible way?
Shitfarce and showtime are so desperate that they are bending over backwards and even willing to give these guys who run mma shows in high school gymnaisums a TV contract… so they can sign a guy who was just choked out in 60 seconds by a 2-2 UFC castoff.
getting out pointed by arlovski and flash Koed by Jr before anyone knew he wasnt a scrub
Doesn’t really make me think less of Werdum. No need to trash fighters to say what morons the powers at be are over in the strikeforce camp.
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
by the-gentle-way on Dec 18, 2010 3:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
I dont think any less of him either… I thought he was a 2nd tier to 3rd tier HW talent before he lost those fights and I still think he’s a 2nd to 3rd tier talent.
the thing is though Shitfarce wouldnt have to bend over so hard if it was Overeem who beat Fedor rather than werdum :“a UFC castoff”.
I'd like to see what Werdum
would do to top flight UFC co-headliners Stefan Struve and Sean McCorkle. If you guys weren’t so busy selling shit and telling fans it’s gold you’d have a little more credibility.
Fabricio Werdum has, by far, the best BJJ in the heavyweight division. That makes him a threat to beat anyone at any time.
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by Nate Wilcox on Dec 18, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 10 recs
boom!!!!
That shit just happened!
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
by the-gentle-way on Dec 18, 2010 3:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Releasing him was clearly a huge mistake
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 18, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
best thing that ever happened to werdum.
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
by the-gentle-way on Dec 18, 2010 3:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Let’s not resort to this— there is no method, no science.. It’s widely speculated that what occurred was Werdum was displeased at taking an extra fight before getting his title shot and the UFC said “you can leave if you want to” (the Cigano fight was the first of a big-money extension). Certainly they regret it, but they weren’t the only ones thinking “Werdum’s chin is suspect”, since that’s what MMA fans/pundits love to do whenever anyone gets dropped.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 18, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
I replied to you by mistake – the cold is distracting. My point was to call Werdum a washout because he goes 2-2 while ignoring who he lost to or how fighters with similar or worse records are touted by the UFC is dishonest.
And for the record, I like Nelson. Want to make sure people know I wasn’t throwing him under a bus or anything.
Righto
You’re here? Enjoying yourself? Haha
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 18, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
Always
Having a Festivus party at Psycho Suzi’s on Thursday. Interested?
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 18, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
There WILL be feats of strength
And even though I didn’t create the event page, my friend who did appointed me to be the head of the group— presumably so he wouldn’t have to do it.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 18, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
Haha
Of course not. I’ll email you some details.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 18, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
Naturally
Pretty sure it won’t work unless you hold your breath, though.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 18, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
word
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
by the-gentle-way on Dec 18, 2010 4:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
nelson was given like 2 weeks notice for the arlovski fight and was actually winning the fight until he gassed and was stood up ignorantly by the ref,
I think I understand what you're saying.
That loss doesn’t count because it goes against the narrative you’re trying to construct. Gotcha.
I think objectively..
You can’t take anything away from him for that fight, if nothing else.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Dec 18, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
he's bringing it back!
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
by the-gentle-way on Dec 18, 2010 4:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If you guys weren’t so busy selling shit and telling fans it’s gold you’d have a little more credibility.
Crap? you’re now living in a golden age of matchmaking and fights… it’s better than it’s ever been. It’s so good I want pick you up in a cradle and lay a big fat kiss on your cheek.
And dont say “you guys” because you’ll upset that jealous someone running around with his sidekicks obsessing over my money, who I fuck and what I know.
by mmalogic on Dec 18, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Thank you Nate
It is ridiculous the way a damn good fighter like Werdum gets bad mouthed. In the last four months the UFC HW division has been exposed. If you think Werdum couldn’t compete with the current crop of UFC HW’s you are delusional.
Root for the home team jack ass
by KING FEDOR on Dec 18, 2010 9:21 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Werdum would beat Arlovski in a rematch
It shouldn’t take much for that fight to be better than the original.
Accustomed to mediocrity.
agreed
I doubt the dos Santos fight plays out the same again in a rematch. I could see him doing to Jr. What he did to big foot. I think werdum is a real talent and the best HW ground fighter in mma.
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
by the-gentle-way on Dec 18, 2010 3:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
maybe?
Werdum had no idea what he was getting into with that fight. Next time he would. That’s a game changer.
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
by the-gentle-way on Dec 18, 2010 3:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think we need to see what JDS can do against Cain
Before we can determine how he would do in a rematch. If Cain can’t bring him down and keep him there.
Accustomed to mediocrity.
It's supposed to say after that last sentence "then I think JDS would have no trouble KOing him again"
Accustomed to mediocrity.
if jr beats the dog shit out of cain I will be impressed.
And will retract my previous statement.
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
by the-gentle-way on Dec 18, 2010 3:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
please no name calling
you can criticize anyone you want, just don’t name call.
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fuuuu-
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by Firm1 on Dec 18, 2010 4:08 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Thanks for reminding me not to give a shit about what Fedor does M-1
Being interested in what Fedor does is becoming a sadistic tease with every announcement and subsequent denial from his fucking dirtbag management company.
People do not like to think. If one thinks, one must reach conclusions. Conclusions are not always pleasant.
- Helen Keller
At least StrikeForce seems opposed to Werdum-Fedor immediate rematch
Please take a stand here StrikeForce!
Werdum should have to face Overeem next! Then if Fedor wins his fight with Bigfoot, he can get the rematch with Werdum.
CPG
Alistair Overeem - StrikeForce HeavyWeight Champion, K-1 2010 World Grand Prix Champion
Whether Werdum wins or loses against Reem
CPG
Alistair Overeem - StrikeForce HeavyWeight Champion, K-1 2010 World Grand Prix Champion
by Chris Groves on Dec 18, 2010 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
Something to keep in mind
These are currently rumors. There is plenty of things to hate on M1 about why bother with rumors.
Root for the home team jack ass
Agreed.
I’m also tired of hearing the opinion of every “journalist” on the subject.
Why not simply report the facts and shut up ? That would probably yield one informative article instead of 10 stupid crybaby rants.
Here’s another article from the author of "I’ll try to convey my hatred of Fedor/M-1 behind the veil of journalism… and no one will notice that I used the words “deign to honour”".
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