Judo Chop: Bocek Catches Hazelett in a Triangle From the Mount at UFC 124
Going into UFC 124's Mark Bocek vs Dustin Hazelett bout fans were split. Casual fans who remembered his submission wins over Josh Burkman and Tamdan McCrory. The armbar on Burkman won the Bloody Elbow Submission of the Year award for 2008. Hazelett is a black belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu under Jorge Gurgel.
Mark Bocek on the other hand is far more highly regarded by those who pay close attention to grappling. Here's his bio from his web site:
Mark Bocek is one of Canada's first Brazilian Jiu Jitsu Black Belts and has been studying the art for more than a decade. He first studied under Rickson and Renzo Gracie and then moved on to Nova Uniao where he received his Black Belt through Joao Roque.
What we got was indeed a grappling battle but it was utterly one sided and Bocek looked very good in making Hazelett look pretty bad. He took home Submission of the Night honors for his troubles (split with Jim Miller).
In the end it was Hazelett's tendency to use flashy techniques like the rubber guard against Bocek's conservative but technically flawless approach.
Here's Steve Cofield describing the action:
Bocek smoked Hazelett, a fellow Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt, as he pulled off a beautiful triangle choke at 2:33 of the first round in Montreal.
The usually reserved Bocek (9-3, 5-3 UFC) was boisterous after the win, calling out fellow jiu-jitsu master George Sotiropoulos. Bocek, a Canadian wants to face Sotiropoulos in Toronto at the end of April.
"I've been quiet for a long time. I have the best jiu-jitsu in the lightweight division," Bocek told UFC analyst Joe Rogan. "I'll prove it to everybody."
In the full entry we'll look at some gifs and Patrick Tenney, aka BE reader Above This Fire, as well as Eddie Bravo's diagnosis of where Hazelett could have made better use of the rubber guard.
Take it away Patrick.
We start here with Bocek working a high single, Dustin using an overhook on the arm trapping his leg (possibly with full intention on getting taken down with the overhook already in place and that arm subsequently trapped when he gets guard).
Bocek finishes the single leg with an inside leg reap to unbalance Dustin enough while he pushes in so he can get the taken down, the nicest part of what Bocek does here is turning the corner so he can keep Dustin away from the cage and unable to wall walk back to his feet or escape; something else to think about in this situation is that it's Bocek's gameplan to keep the ground fight away from the cage so that he can pass guard and work his top game instead of "Fitching" his opponent (i.e. grinding them out with strikes from within the guard against the cage, p.s. I think Fitch is a terrific fighter and an exciting technical wrestler so don't yell at me).
By not fighting up against the cage Bocek is going to have room to work an offensive top game as far as positioning, something that tends to be difficult when the cage blocks a lot of forward progression and passing (the guy on bottom only has to defend 180 degrees when up against the cage and using guard, without the cage a lot more passing and movement is opened up).If you're interested in how Dustin's high guard failed in this situation you can watch the breakdown provided by Eddie Bravo in the video below.
Alternatively I'll explain the failure as thus: Dustin's working an omoplata setup off of the overhook he maintained/established before and after the takedown trapping Bocek's right arm however Bocek is maintaining a good angle on his arm so he wont get shucked to the side and put in an omoplata situation (I believe he's cupping Dustin's left shoulder or hooking his arm under Dustin's back). Dustin couldn't get his right leg out and establish a legitimate full guard in the position he landed in during the takedown and instead of using it as a butterfly hook (hooking the inside left thigh of Bocek or behind the knee) he gets his knee stuffed through while Bocek staightens out and walks over the right leg and right through the guard.
I think the sad thing is that a little bit of very simple Jiu Jitsu could have rescued Dustin from this pass, instead of still working on the "kung fu move" and trying to get an omoplata or arm/shoulder lock that wasn't there anymore he could have dropped his left leg, turned onto his right hip, shot for a deep half or half guard and possibly saved himself from what we'll see ends up being his downfall shortly.
Side note: Generally a bad idea to try to really force positions by pulling on your limbs in a way they aren't meant to go; See: Lullo's fight in the UFC recently where he just pulled that flexibile high guard so much (and without the dexterity to naturally attain the position) that blood collected in his knee, weighting his leg and making each leg kick delivered to him so much worse and in the end that's what caused his defeat.
This highlights what I thought was slick and tricky passing from Bocek, Dustin's gained half guard after some quick efforts following Bocek's initial pass and he's using his right arm over Bocek's head to try and keep Bocek's posture down while he extends the halfguard to open up Bocek's legs and shoot his left arm under Bocek's right leg (to either escape or sweep, if he could have swung under Bocek and onto his right hip). The big problem here is that when you use that setup to swing under into a deep half or backdoor escape you have to make sure that the opponent is not controlling the turn of your upper body and unfortunately for Dustin, Bocek is. You can see Bocek's left arm deeply underhooking Dustin's right side as Dustin helps seal his own fate by maintaining that headcontrol position on Bocek which is going to make it near impossible for him to really utilize his half guard to escape (Dustin should have been fighting Bocek for an underhook and not just accepting Bocek's control on that side).
Bocek brings his right instep into the half guard bringing his knee close enough for Dustin to hook under with the left arm, big mistake as Bocek clears the half guard into mount while Dustin still has Bocek's right leg underhooked...
Side note: The basis of a triangle is the idea that your opponent has one arm and shoulder as well as their head within your legs, whether it be guard or any other position; it's that positioning that should always set off alarms inside the head of anyone who grapples.
Bocek passes right into mount over top of that arm while keeping his underhook control on the other arm so he can make sure it stays positioned correctly for the following:
Bocek shoots his right leg high and under Dustins head (making sure the arm stays cleared and also pulling the back of the head up so he can swing his leg underneath). Bocek's left knee/quad shoots forwards as well to keep Dustin's right arm trapped within the triangle setup when Bocek has to use both hands to bring Dustin's head up off the mat.
Bocek rolls over his right side while locking the figure four with his legs and pulling down on the head to finish the triangle (it's notoriously difficult to start and finish a triangle from mount on a good opponent because of the problems locking the figure four gives you when your opponent is on his back because you have to lean over in order to lock your legs which 9 out of 10 times is going to make you roll to your back as your opponent starts working defense/escapes).
Dustin survives in the triangle for a short while by trying to keep and maintain space between his neck and right shoulder (by "answering the telephone" with his hand) but with a fully locked in triangle as well as head control and posture control (note the underhook Bocek shoots in on Dustin's left arm in order to prevent correct posture within the triangle) it's just a matter of time...
Lesson learned: It's great if you can work an offensive high guard, but if you don't have something you aren't going to be able to force it on a guy who knows what you're going for; you have to utilize the basic flow of Jiu Jitsu first so you can get correct position before executing.
This is called a Sau Paulo or Tozi pass, shown by Dave Jacobs of Fairfax Jiu Jitsu
Here's the Gracie Breakdown talking about this move (Bocek section starts at 5:30):
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I know everyone is jonesing for the inevitable Pettis Judo Chop
but I want to do that one justice and look at the whole fight. Will be an early Xmas present for everyone next week.
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Ah I needs my fix now
However this will suffice, just kidding. Excellent breakdown and read…… again as usual. BJ Penn made me a fan of the Rubber Guard.
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what happened?
i havent been that sad to see someone get a bunch of Ls in a while.
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by chasethegoose on Dec 17, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
It was what people had been saying for a while
Hazelett has slick, flashy bjj that can overwhelm some lessor players, but against someone with equal credentials that is more technically sound, he gets exposed. I think that has been the case for him in BJJ competitions
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by Austin Martin on Dec 17, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Watch J.T. Torres vs. Hazelett as an example.
It’s not necessarily a fair critique though as BJJ comp players are always competing in the sport, whereas Dustin has to split training up for MMA.
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by Patrick Tenney on Dec 17, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
jt out classed him bro
“A black belt only cover two inches of your ass, the rest is up to you”
I think that Jt match showed where Dustin sat in the bjj food chain.food chain wise Dustin = barracuda , I mean he’s good but still has to watch for sharks,and then you have Roger &jacere= killer whales, those guys watch out for sharks too, but only cause they like snacking on sharks.
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by the-gentle-way on Dec 17, 2010 12:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Nice post
I found it particularly funny when Rogan said something along the lines of “nice use of the rubber guard…” right before Bocek passed.
yeah
I was really disappointed with Bravo’s advice on the scenario. It basically boiled down to “do what Dustin did, just faster and don’t get passed”.
I’m actually a fan of the rubber guard although I’m very aware of the criticism of it from many high level grapplers who view it as a low percentage tactic.
But it seems to me that Bravo would better serve his system to say something like — “if you don’t have the hook in with your right leg, don’t go for ‘kung fu’, play conservative and work on getting full guard”
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by Nate Wilcox on Dec 17, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
its really over rated imho.
its a move. Not a system. When your whole game hinges on it you end up like dustin did when it fails you.
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by the-gentle-way on Dec 17, 2010 12:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
ah I think it's a system
as is “the twister” although almost no one has applied any of that to MMA. But if you read Eddie’s books, it’s definitely two systems that have been very carefully thought out….has some blind spots though.
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i have read Mastering the rubber guard.
I know he says its a system. I just don’t think its a viable one. The only people I have seen do good with the rubber guard are people that have fundamentally sound games. Adding new ideas can be good but without the basics none of it will work.
One thing is for sure though .his books are far better than the ones I have written (none) and have sold way more. So I am happy for him.
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by the-gentle-way on Dec 17, 2010 1:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
well that's a valid point
something can be a system without being perfect or even very good. But Bravo is definitely a systemic thinker and very creative. I actually am more fascinated by the ideas he’s pushing in “The Twister” which I’ve yet to really see applied outside of Japan.
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He’s got some creative ideas, I think the general consensus is that it’s a very flawed system in that it needs so many things to go right for you in order to work correctly; in a grappling environment where the technique/movement is so fluid it’s very difficult to rely on a straight branching tree type of system.
To be completely fair to Eddie and his students, they do learn proper fundamentals and not just his top and bottom game, they do learn no-gi jiu jitsu and aren’t required to only utilize Eddie’s personal game. It’s also a network of schools that encourages and fosters creativeness in BJJ which some traditional BJJ schools frown upon.
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by Patrick Tenney on Dec 17, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
I think the fact that it's been more successfully applied in an MMA context
than in competitive grappling says a lot. Not sure what exactly, but something!
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Well, my opinion is:
It’s been more successful in MMA because it’s something that’s akin to a bag of tricks; if you don’t have a guy pulling those tricks out on you in training all the time then you can get caught pretty easily. You also have the problem of needing to strike from the top in MMA which can leave your arms in precarious positions and make your posture suck (most mma fighters have FREAKING AWFUL posture from within the guard).
It’s not that successful in BJJ comp (no-gi specifically) because it’s just not that innovative or new in the world of BJJ, that kind of high guard/omoplata setup is used regularly and people know where to go and what to do in situations and most competitors tend to follow very strict rules as far as their posture/positioning is concerned.
There’s more to it than that, but that’s kind of the simplest breakdown I can provide without going into all the issues with each technique pretty much.
Got the Summer hatin on me cus I'm hotter than the sun. Got the Spring hatin on me cus I ain't never sprung. Winter hatin on me cus I'm colder than ya'll; and I will never I will never I will never Fall.
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by Patrick Tenney on Dec 17, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
i agree whole heartedly.
Also, there is alot of straight up horrible jiu jitsu in mma.For instance why is everyone’s fucking hand on the mat to get rubber guarded? Nobody ever uses the the rubber guard break. I could go on and on.
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by the-gentle-way on Dec 17, 2010 2:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah the hands on the mat thing and improper posture in the guard drive me nutso, but gotta remember that during a fight every time you get hit you lose a rank of BJJ.
Black belt —> Punch to the head = Brown belt
Brown belt —> punch to the head = purple
and on and on until you don’t even know wtf a joo jizoo is haha.
But yeah, drives me crazy sometimes but I also don’t get hit when grappling so I have a different idea of technique and requirements.
Got the Summer hatin on me cus I'm hotter than the sun. Got the Spring hatin on me cus I ain't never sprung. Winter hatin on me cus I'm colder than ya'll; and I will never I will never I will never Fall.
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by Patrick Tenney on Dec 17, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Next time you train do the dizzy drill. Spin around tell your so dizzy your about to spew then roll. It’s lots of fun plus it simulate being punched.
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by the-gentle-way on Dec 17, 2010 2:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
my voice to text is off today
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by the-gentle-way on Dec 17, 2010 3:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
my droid 1
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
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by the-gentle-way on Dec 17, 2010 3:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
We do bear crawls in a circle
then roll.
You get tired and dizzy, kinda want to puke for a while sometimes.
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Punching a white belt is like kicking a puppy.
Got the Summer hatin on me cus I'm hotter than the sun. Got the Spring hatin on me cus I ain't never sprung. Winter hatin on me cus I'm colder than ya'll; and I will never I will never I will never Fall.
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by Patrick Tenney on Dec 17, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Unless the whitebelt happens to be an experienced boxer trying to learn the ground game.
I had one of those at my gym for a while, and while he definitely got tapped a lot, whenever you shot in for a takedown on the guy there was always something in his stance that gave you the unsettling feeling that he was holding back the instinct to put an uppercut through your face.
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by CasualMMAFan on Dec 17, 2010 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
haha, very true. A couple good armbars will fix em though =)
Got the Summer hatin on me cus I'm hotter than the sun. Got the Spring hatin on me cus I ain't never sprung. Winter hatin on me cus I'm colder than ya'll; and I will never I will never I will never Fall.
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by Patrick Tenney on Dec 17, 2010 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
I do appreciate new ideas, I just don’t like eddies.
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by the-gentle-way on Dec 17, 2010 2:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
plus how is bravo gonna rubber guard brock?
What’s the point of a bjj "system"that only works on people your size or smaller?
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by the-gentle-way on Dec 17, 2010 1:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't see a big issue with such a system existing, it just isn't infallible.
Unless you’re tiny, in which case fuck it.
eddie is like 5'7 145 when he is in shape
Define tiny? That’s little to me.
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by the-gentle-way on Dec 17, 2010 3:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I was hoping not to be pressed on that.
I don’t roll, so I don’t know any details – But how would Bravo have had any real success with rubber guard if he couldn’t work on anyone bigger?
weight classes
And the reason everyone paid attention to bravo is he tapped out Royler Gracie in Adcc. That is no small feat. I think his style is more novelty. Once you figure it out, its rather simple to defeat.
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by the-gentle-way on Dec 17, 2010 4:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He made his whole career off of that triangle
as a brown belt.
Now he has found his calling, as a musician.
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BJJ Question
Was it risky of Bocek to flip over to guard from mount as opposed of trying to hold on mount triangle and work that or the straight armbar from mounted triangle?
When he pulled the move off I was worried it would slip a little on the transition and allow Hazelett a little wiggle room (obviously not), but again was rolling over more risky than trying to work it from mount?
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Not risky, it’s actually the preferred method of finishing the triangle from mount because you can achieve the correct figure four lock; as long as you keep control of your shin when you roll and lock the triangle it shouldn’t be a problem.
Keep in mind that if you are executing the triangle on your back you do have to apply more effort to break your opponents base and posture so they can’t defend the triangle.
Got the Summer hatin on me cus I'm hotter than the sun. Got the Spring hatin on me cus I ain't never sprung. Winter hatin on me cus I'm colder than ya'll; and I will never I will never I will never Fall.
The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino
by Patrick Tenney on Dec 17, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
my school is all about staying mounted.
For mma especially. Punch’em in the face while they get choked :-)
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by the-gentle-way on Dec 17, 2010 1:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I was more saying use the triangle to keep him in mount
then finish with Armbar from mount.
Can’t you generate a lot of leverage on the arm from top and be have a higher percentage of success than rolling over to guard.
My skills were beginner at best, so it just seemed more natural to stay on top o finish that way, then again would more advanced grapplers might be able to worm out easier?
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Armbar from a mounted triangle is a great option, you also don’t necessarily have to lock the figure four if you use correct leverage with your legs and bring the outside leg up close to the head and pinch solid with your knees/inner thighs.
Got the Summer hatin on me cus I'm hotter than the sun. Got the Spring hatin on me cus I ain't never sprung. Winter hatin on me cus I'm colder than ya'll; and I will never I will never I will never Fall.
The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino
by Patrick Tenney on Dec 17, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
I ran this past Luke Thomas
here’s his answer:
no.
you need to be on your back to work your hips. your hips are off the ground when you apply a proper triangle. the choke only gets tighter when you roll
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by Nate Wilcox on Dec 17, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
I will add that on Ryan Hall’s fantastic dvd set on the triangle, he advocates for staying mounted and finishing from that position. He shows a really slick way of finishing from there and maintaining the position.
Some guys are definitely the exception, Ryan’s pretty much the best triangle resource on the planet but he’s also got a few attributes most guys don’t as far as being able to lock the triangle in mount.
I was over at Ryan’s school for a Jeff Glover seminar and Glover said something that’s stuck in my mind pretty solidly:
It’s not a tri-straight, it’s a tri-angle. (It’s hard to angle your body/hips off correctly while having to retain mount, the pressure/balance of the position is too different).
Got the Summer hatin on me cus I'm hotter than the sun. Got the Spring hatin on me cus I ain't never sprung. Winter hatin on me cus I'm colder than ya'll; and I will never I will never I will never Fall.
The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino
by Patrick Tenney on Dec 17, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah – everyone’s different. At the end of the day, it comes down to personal preference for guy’s at the highest level.
I’m not sure if you’ve seen Ryan’s DVD, but the stuff he teaches is definitely not attribute based. In fact, he states that he’s very against that sort of jiu jitsu. He really trashes the rubber guard on a few occasions.
I have his triangle and 50/50 dvds (and hope to have his back attack and half guard dvds soon haha), I haven’t watched the triangle one in a while though, need to go back and review it eventually. Ryan’s one of my absolute favorite grapplers and his game and mine are similar (given he’s much better, super awesome, and has great leg locks and half guard stuff which I need to improve upon); thank god I live close enough to him to be able to potentially take private lessons and visit his gym.
I’ve personally heard Ryan rant about rubber guard inside of his gym haha, which is very entertaining; he thinks Eddie Bravo is a gay vampire lol.
Got the Summer hatin on me cus I'm hotter than the sun. Got the Spring hatin on me cus I ain't never sprung. Winter hatin on me cus I'm colder than ya'll; and I will never I will never I will never Fall.
The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino
by Patrick Tenney on Dec 17, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve personally heard Ryan rant about rubber guard inside of his gym
/wants to hear the details/
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by dancingChicken on Dec 17, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
It’s not anything special haha, mostly just the gay vampire remark and how grabbing your foot/leg to force a position instead of utilizing your hips and angles properly is dumb and inefficient.
Got the Summer hatin on me cus I'm hotter than the sun. Got the Spring hatin on me cus I ain't never sprung. Winter hatin on me cus I'm colder than ya'll; and I will never I will never I will never Fall.
The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino
by Patrick Tenney on Dec 17, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Not really...
The mounted triangle is difficult to finish, especially on a high-level grappler. Also, locking in a triangle from mount takes away a lot of the base you would otherwise have in mount, so it’s not that tough for the guy on bottom to roll to the top. Once you go for the mounted triangle, you can pretty much expect to get rolled over, so the best thing to do is prepare for that by keeping your victim’s posture broken down and keeping the triangle tight (both of which Bocek did prior to the roll by grabbing his shin). Hope that answers your question.
Bingo =)
Got the Summer hatin on me cus I'm hotter than the sun. Got the Spring hatin on me cus I ain't never sprung. Winter hatin on me cus I'm colder than ya'll; and I will never I will never I will never Fall.
The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino
by Patrick Tenney on Dec 17, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
Also, wouldn’t gravity and body mechanics work against using the outside and trapping leg of the triangle while applying pressure from above? It would seem to me that its significantly harder to finish a triangle in mount because essentially one would have to extend their hamstring too much while their hips would be working to stay on top
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by Austin Martin on Dec 17, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
You’re on point, it’s also not like your opponent just quits trying to fight if you secure a mounted triangle, you’re going to end up on your back almost every time.
Got the Summer hatin on me cus I'm hotter than the sun. Got the Spring hatin on me cus I ain't never sprung. Winter hatin on me cus I'm colder than ya'll; and I will never I will never I will never Fall.
The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino
by Patrick Tenney on Dec 17, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Good question. Finishing a triangle from mount is far from impossible; it’s just not high-percentage. “F’n triangles…how do they work?” Well, Mr. Sonnen, they close off the carotid arteries on both sides of your neck, that’s how! With the mounted triangle, you are correct in that gravity and the ground work against closure of the space around those arteries.
Think about this as well: in the “regular” triangle, you don’t necessarily need to have the arm across to make it tight; in my experience, however, in the mounted triangle, it is important and will often lead to a finish if you don’t get rolled off first. Again, just my experience. Others may have different opinions. Someone should ask Ryan Hall…
Hope this makes sense; coffee hasn’t kicked in yet!
Last night i was rolling with a varsity wrestler
He never protected his back. so I took his back, and was going for the RNC but he wouldn’t let me get hooks in so i rode up really high and squeezed like crazy with my thighs so i was stuck to him. Just as he tried to escape out the back door, I locked up a triangle and straightened out his arm. It was like mounted triangle/straight arm bar from his back. I don’t what he tapped from, I don’t know if the choke was tight, but I’ve never done anything very cool before. No-Gi is the way for me.
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oh dammit
I meant to include in the post. will add now. thanks!
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by Nate Wilcox on Dec 17, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Only if you know how to put that tilde on the a on a keyboard without spending more than 10 seconds looking.
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by Patrick Tenney on Dec 17, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
Umlaut
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by S.C. Michaelson on Dec 17, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Man I could not see. I thought it was two dots
In retrospect, I should’ve known there are no umlauts in Portuguese.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Dec 17, 2010 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
No problem, also I hope to visit your city in the future because it’s awesome.
Got the Summer hatin on me cus I'm hotter than the sun. Got the Spring hatin on me cus I ain't never sprung. Winter hatin on me cus I'm colder than ya'll; and I will never I will never I will never Fall.
The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino
by Patrick Tenney on Dec 17, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
i love it...
each breakdown on the bocek/hazelett fight focused on something different
"i hate signatures...that, and hypocrisy"
Kinda just comes down to preferences haha, I thought the whole half pass to mount with the arm trapped was mind blowingly awesome so I kinda went off on that I think.
Got the Summer hatin on me cus I'm hotter than the sun. Got the Spring hatin on me cus I ain't never sprung. Winter hatin on me cus I'm colder than ya'll; and I will never I will never I will never Fall.
The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino
by Patrick Tenney on Dec 17, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
P.S. since seeing that pass I’ve executed it over and over again in training, bringing that outside leg close as bait for the guy to underhook, works like a charm in no-gi.
Got the Summer hatin on me cus I'm hotter than the sun. Got the Spring hatin on me cus I ain't never sprung. Winter hatin on me cus I'm colder than ya'll; and I will never I will never I will never Fall.
The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino
by Patrick Tenney on Dec 17, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
yeah that was super slick. I’d compare this and Maia’s triangle over Sonnen as my favorite triangles not from guard that i’ve seen
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by Austin Martin on Dec 17, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
well, except Imada
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by Austin Martin on Dec 17, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
indeed very similar to Maia x Sonnen
Also, Maia finished Herman with a triangle that started from the bottom, to finish on top + GnP… THAT is my favorite!
The ground game has quickly become my favorite part of MMA.
And it’s because of breakdowns like this. I don’t roll, so what I learn about the ground game is from what I watch and read. Thanks for a great breakdown. I thought the genius of Bocek’s win was how he slapped on that triangle from the top, but after reading this, it was definitely was the half pass to mount that was brilliant. Good shit!
If you really want to learn
just go to a gym. You can watch people who are lot better than 99% of what you see in MMA.
Even if your not very good, there’s usually some cool guys who will walk you through things.
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Great Judo Chop
I think what Bravo isn’t saying is that ‘3/4 guard’ is really not a very good position. When you’ve got a butterfly hook with normal guard you can usually grab half guard if the guy stuffs the hook, but from rubber guard you can’t. I think ‘go fast and try to get it’ is making the best of a bad situation, because it’s going to be really difficult to stop the guy stuffing that hook.
I was waiting for this one.
Awesome, as always, gentlemen.
So glad this got Judo Chop'd
I knew when I first saw it I was seeing something special, but didn’t know all the nuances of what was going on. Love the breakdowns.
Americana?
Nobody seems to talk about why Dustin tapped. Is it me or Bocek switch to an americana once the elbow is on the ground, accross Dustin’s body?
I am gonna bust this out on someone today for sure.
When the person on bottom underhooks the arm, that is the Salaverry that they are in correct? Or just a modified crucifix?
by SilverNBlackZach! on Dec 17, 2010 4:16 PM EST reply actions
here's all about the Salaverry
Judo Chop: Jon Jones Unleashes the Salaverry on Vladimir Matyushenko
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