Fedor Emelianenko: 'When My Career Ends, and I Don't Fight in the UFC, the UFC Will Be Sorry'
UFC heavyweight champion, Cain Velasquez is currently preparing for his first title defense against Junior Dos Santos, but when asked who his ideal opponent is, he says it would be against the long time top heavyweight, Fedor Emelianenko:
"For me, I think Fedor. I've always watched him as a fighter. I've always looked up to him. His overall size compared to the other guys, it seems he's always mismatched, but he always has a lot of power, he has good technique on the ground, so I would definitely love to fight him. I'm in this sport to fight the best. I want to fight the best guys in the UFC and the best guys everywhere else."
A bout against Velasquez may leave people salivating, but as you might already know, Fedor signing with the world's top promotion remains to be a pipe dream. There's also increasing talk about "The Last Emperor" retiring after a few more fights, making that dream even less likely. If he doesn't join the UFC before he hangs up the gloves though, Emelianenko says it won't be his loss. Fedor talked to FightHubTV about it:
"When my career ends, and I don't fight in the UFC, the UFC will be sorry, not me"
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I dont know
I mean these guys have made a lot of money off of Fedor. I am at peace with Fedor not fighting in the UFC. That train left the station like a couple of years ago.
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by SheepleBuster on Dec 16, 2010 7:53 AM EST up reply actions
M-1 Negotiating Tactics 101
I’m totally with you on that; shoulda, woulda, coulda. But then this… Fedor/M-1 are obviously trying to get something started with this now. Looking kinda pathetic at this point. Just go peacefully into the good, good night, Fedor.
Tell me which is more likely
World Peace or Fedor in the UFC? :) I think we may have a better chance at the first one.
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by SheepleBuster on Dec 16, 2010 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
“Fedor//M-1 are obviously trying to get something started with this now. Looking kinda pathetic at this point. "
You do realize this interview was a couple of months ago at the EA launch.
by memitim on Dec 16, 2010 10:06 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
M1 is also in the business of making money and have way more opportunities with the co branding events as well as trying to get their shows on showtime
Wether we agree with it or not call them greedy or not etc. thats what a business does it looks to make as much money as possible. Fedor’s net worth higher than GSP’s . Could he have made all that money within a restrictive contract in the UFC probably not his name isnt Brock Lesnar who isnt as good but brings with him a massive audience
by Papercut Elbow on Dec 16, 2010 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
Fedor’s net worth higher than GSP’s
Not sure what you are basing this on, but even this early in his career I would say this is highly unlikely.
While the total money paid out to M-1 and Fedor combined is probably pretty close between both deals, Fedor himself would have made far more from the deal the UFC was supposedly offering than he does from the Strikeforce deal.
With the Strikeforce deal, M-1 gets paid everything except the actual purse, and they pay some small percentage of that amount out to Fedor. The difference would have been, with the UFC deal, Fedor would have been paid everything, and M-1 would only get a management fee from his earnings, resulting in them only receiving a small fraction of what they earn with the Strikeforce deal.
Bottom line – the UFC deal would have been far more profitable personally for Fedor, but far, far less profitable for M-1 when compared to the Strikeforce deal, thus the choice by M-1 of the Strikeforce deal…
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by The American Ronin on Dec 16, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
shoulda woulda coulda
Fedor could have made far more with the UFC if M1 chose the UFC in 2009.
However, he made a truckload more money before then by avoiding the UFC in 2007, and he’s still on the six fight contract with M1 that he signed back then. He had every reason to think that he’d make as much money outside the UFC, as they already tried to fleece him.
Purple flies go north
Ok, so that would be useless, random comment number 2.
No, not a useless comment. When you say Fedor and M-1 are:
Fedor/M-1 are obviously trying to get something started with this now. Looking kinda pathetic at this point.
You are taking things completely out of context. First, this was started with Cain saying he wants to fight Fedor. That has nothing to do with Fedor or M-1. Second, Fedor is being asked at a presser for probably the millionth time about signing with the UFC. There is so much history here that your statement is simply myopic and yes useless in the scope of things.
So just to go on record
you believe that Fedor/M-1 are not trying to pique the UFC in any way with this comment and it’s simply a random, useless response to a reporter’s question?
No way.
Dana White will be alone in a bath tub full of money crying for days upon days about the one who got away despite the fact that half of his customers have never heard of Fedor and that not having Fedor had no major effects on his business.
Love me some Fedor and I truly believe he’ll be remembered as the greatest MMA HW of all time. To be frank, though, he needs to decide if he is going to keep fighting or retire/run for politics. This doesn’t side well with the fans, who are already a bit frustrated with the Werdum-Fedor-Ubereem ‘love’ triangle.
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I don't think he will be remembered as the greatest of all time.
If and when MMA becomes as big as the UFC is trying to make it. He will be forgotten over the next decade.
The days as champ are done... but the juggernaut known as Brock Lesnar will return.
by HitokiriX on Dec 16, 2010 4:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not on my watch…
They see me rollin...
by spectaa on Dec 16, 2010 5:02 AM EST up reply actions 8 recs
He will be one of those guys MMA aficionados rave about, but most people will have no idea who he is. Sort of like right now, actually.
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by crazybones on Dec 16, 2010 5:28 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
The die hard boxing guys
always talk about some old great from 80 years ago that everyone forgot about.
That might be Fedor. Hope not.
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
Yea but there are real boxing greats that still got talked abou today even though though the havent fought in 40-50yrs
I don’t see Fedor being one of those guys. He’ll be mentioned by the chubby guy in the corner of the bar who jumps into other peoples conversation while talking about who they think is the greatest HW to date.
The days as champ are done... but the juggernaut known as Brock Lesnar will return.
by HitokiriX on Dec 16, 2010 6:27 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Kinda what I'm getting at.
Who knows? Maybe he’ll actually fight someone worth remembering again.
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
So...
That chubby guy in the corner of the bar will be the only one who knows anything about the sport?
Anxiously awaiting the return of Anthony "Rumble" Johnson
by Anthony Pace on Dec 16, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
Somewhere, the descendants of Willie Pep are nodding in agreement…
by BrothersGottaAndyHug on Dec 16, 2010 7:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I doubt it we have youtube now lol
Those 80 year ago boxers all we have is some black and white footage (if even) or you have just tales and stories from older people
by Papercut Elbow on Dec 16, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
just becuase they are there
doesn’t mean people will take the time to watch them and form an educated decision.
kind of like now.
The days as champ are done... but the juggernaut known as Brock Lesnar will return.
I know what you mean
My best friend is a…sigh… casual fan. When I was making a big deal over the Werdum vs. Fedor fight, my friend said to me that he didn’t think Fedor was all that impressive. He had the gaul to say that Fedor just “stands in one spot and swings his arms.” He made that assumption after just watching the Rogers fight. He never even took the time to watch any of Fedor’s other fights. Then he thought it was funny to rub the fact that Fedor lost in my face. I….really… fucking… hate that guy.
by kreally on Dec 16, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
"Fedor just "stands in one spot and swings his arms."
If he really did, that would only make him the most awesome fighter ever. Seeing as he’s 30-1.
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
He won't be forgotten, but
he will be remembered as the best of the “Old School” guys from the early (pre-mainstream) days.
Had he retired undefeated, even without ever fighting in the big leagues, there would have always been some GOAT sentiment, but when he went to the minors, wouldn’t fight the champion who had been calling him out, then lost in the minors in a #1 contender fight (and not via a flash KO)…only the biggest of fanboys 10 years from now will be making that claim.
He was, without a doubt, the greatest HW of the PRIDE era however…
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by The American Ronin on Dec 16, 2010 8:33 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You think Fedor bought the Brock hype?
As far as being called out by “the champ”, why should he have to go to Brock? Fedor was knocking people out for a living while Brock was being paid to pretend to be “The Baddest Man On The Planet” in the WWE…… If he wanted to fight the #1 HW why didn’t Brock sign with affliction? Or not re-up his contract with the ufc.
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by the-gentle-way on Dec 16, 2010 10:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I was referring to the champ in his organization who was calling him out -
The Reem.
However, while the UFC is undoubtedly the big leagues today, although I am of the opinion that right now, Strikeforce’s HW division is at least the equal of the UFCs. While I don’t think anyone can beat Cain right now, I think either Fedor or Overeem could beat any other UFC HW today.
Having said that, the revisionism that goes on is ridiculous IMO. Very few were thinking Cain, Carwin or JDS were world beaters back when Fedor signed with Strikeforce, and Brock had many detractors back then – he certainly wasn’t being universally hailed as a “guaranteed” future long time champ like Jon Jones for example is today. At that point the gap between Carwin and Rogers for example was minimal.
M-1 made the deal that was the most profitable for them, as well they should.
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by The American Ronin on Dec 16, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
gotcha
Yea …. people want to fight Reem like they want to get their teeth pulled. The guy is a goddamn comic character.
I think werdum has the best chance to beat Reem, but I am not putting money on that.
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by the-gentle-way on Dec 16, 2010 11:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Funny thing is
whether you fight Uber or get your teeth pulled, the same result happens.
Go Orange(men)!
The Reem's callout was a joke
He hadn’t beat a top 20 HW in four years, hadn’t fought in SF for 2 years, was still fighting nobodies in DREAM at the time Fedor signed the Werdum fight, and he gets to call out Fedor? Not even Coker wanted the fight at the time, as Overeem had next to no exposure in the US.
Then he claims that his priorities are #1 Werdum, #2 Fedor, and #3 K1, but when Werdum decides on surgery, Fedor’s statement to fight him less than two weeks later is “too late”?
Now Overeem doesn’t want to fight until early summer, yet so-called MMA fans are calling Fedor a ducker. Moreover, it is without question that a win over the Reem now is far more enticing and worth far more now than it would have been a year ago, so what are they complaining about?
by Mint on Dec 16, 2010 9:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I can't believe those who really think ...
… the Overeem – Fedor business is as simple as Fedor’s side ducking Overeem. Both sides have been playing “He’s running from me,” for too long and I fail to see why Overeem suddenly becomes this believable guy just because Fedor is surrounded by a bunch of unbelievable guys. They’re both avoiding it, damnit. It’s never as simple as calling a reporter and saying “I’ll fight him.” The reporter fails to include the asterisk that has a longer list of demands than your average hostage situation.
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Lulz
Says the guy with the Lesnar sig…
That’s like saying Rocky Marciano will be forgotten.
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by VelociAldo on Dec 16, 2010 9:10 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
lulz all you want, me being a fan of lesnar means nothing
It’s the truth. Any time people talking about boxing greats, how often does Marciano come up? I’d bet my ballsack if you took 10 people from all different age groups and told them to name three boxing greats, Marciano’s name would probably come up twice at the most.
The days as champ are done... but the juggernaut known as Brock Lesnar will return.
Maybe in the under 30 crowd, most of whom, at least in the US, have a
pathetically weak grasp of history in general anyway.
Ask any older (especially white) man who knows anything at all about boxing, and Marciano will be one of top-3 or top-5 names they mention, if not #1 outright…
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by The American Ronin on Dec 16, 2010 10:02 AM EST up reply actions

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by sBruce24 on Dec 16, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions 8 recs
Ha!
THAT is exactly the scene that went through my head when the Marciano discussion came up…
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by The American Ronin on Dec 16, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
He beat Joe Louis’ ass
It's official. Les Miles DOES NOT have a deal with the devil. He beat him Nov. 6th, 24-21.
Joe Louis was 132 years old…
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by The American Ronin on Dec 16, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
larry holmes ,Ali, rjj, both sugar rays, rocky for being undefeated.
And Tyson for being the scariest dude to put on gloves.
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
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by the-gentle-way on Dec 16, 2010 11:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
i am 28
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by the-gentle-way on Dec 16, 2010 11:19 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I am 42 and I would say my top-3 would be
Sugar Ray Robinson
Ali
Joe Louis
There are other all-time greats that I don’t know quite where I would put them, but would be included in my mental top list such as Sugar Ray Leonard, Roberto Duran, and even George Foreman when all things are considered.
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by The American Ronin on Dec 16, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
did you know Rocky beat joe lewis
On Joe Lewis’s 100th birthday. Learned that from coming to America.
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
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by the-gentle-way on Dec 16, 2010 12:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Point proven
You didn’t mention Joe Louis.
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by Chris Barton on Dec 16, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
But did mention Tyson (who isn’t a top 20 all time heavyweight) ah the power of recent history…
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 16, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
the youngest hw champ ever isnt top 20?
That seems like a stretch
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by the-gentle-way on Dec 16, 2010 2:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Oh lord...we're going to do this again? I honestly forgot that this would lead to a "thing"
His age doesn’t really matter in this all. I could see making a case for him somewhere between 15 – 20 all time but I personally wouldn’t put him there.
Muhammad Ali
Joe Louis
Floyd Patterson
Rocky Marciano
Jack Johnson
Larry Holmes
Lennox Lewis
Joe Frazier
Sonny Liston
George Foreman
Riddick Bowe
Primo Carnera
Joe Walcott
Evander Holyfield
Max Schmeling
Harry Wills and Sam Langford probably go ahead of him as well but the color line screws stuff up way back then.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 16, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Not arguing that you did...
but sometimes people give way too much credit to historical figures in these arguments. Why can’t we just list the best of each era?
If I had to do best of the 80’s thru now let’s see where I’d put him
Lennox Lewis
Evander Holyfield
Riddick Bowe
Vitali Klitschko
Wladimir Klitschko
Mike Tyson
6th since the 80’s (not counting guys who fought the absolute end of their career in the early 80’s because then I’d have to include Ali and whatnot)
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 16, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
and with that I’ll call a halt to the side discussion just to let things focus on fedor
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 16, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Where the hell is David Tua!!!???
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George Carlin
nope
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 16, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
thats cool.
Between 15-20 seems fair for iron mike. When I rattled my list off it was mostly just my favorites.
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by the-gentle-way on Dec 16, 2010 3:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
that’s fair.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 16, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
To be fair
I have Iron Mike right around 11 on all time HWs.
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by Chris Barton on Dec 16, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
I have Tyson right around 17-18, behind Holyfield but above Jersey Joe.
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by Anthony Pace on Dec 16, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
I actually rate Tyson higher than Evander.
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by Chris Barton on Dec 16, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think Mike was the same fighter
when he fought Holyfield, so in a historical perspective I don’t factor those fights in. The “best” Tyson was a better fighter than the “best” Holyfield imo.
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by Chris Barton on Dec 16, 2010 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
I thought I'd add
I have Evander around 15,16 depending on my mood.
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by Chris Barton on Dec 16, 2010 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
I don't see how you can not not factor those fights in.
I think thats pure speculation. But if Buster Douglas did it before any of the shenanigans with Tyson happened im pretty sure Evander could’ve as well.
It always seem to me Holyfield had the right formula to beat Tyson.
And Holyfied in top 15 is definitely plausible. I like that actually.
Of course it's speculation!
That’s the fun of it! All time lists are ALL speculation.
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by Chris Barton on Dec 17, 2010 2:18 AM EST up reply actions
What's worse is
his list isn’t even a HW list, but still included Tyson as a top 3 all time great. If it was just HW he’d still be wrong but I’d cut him some slack.
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by Chris Barton on Dec 16, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
But did mention Tyson (who isn’t a top 20 all time heavyweight) ah the power of recent history…
It’s nice to see that at least someone here knows about boxing.
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by Drunken cutman on Dec 16, 2010 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
Don’t know about that… UFC could definitely have used him, probably still could, but he would have had to stay a lot more active in the Octagon than what he’s been in recent times.
Fedor is one of the all-time greats, but given who he’s fought recently I’d say there are badder men on the planet.
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by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Dec 16, 2010 4:16 AM EST reply actions
Yeah....no
Ask the casual and semi casual MMA fans who Fedor is and they’ll probably respond “who?”.
Hell a couple guys I know who watch every UFC, WEC, and even a couple SF events didnt know who Fedor was.
Pretty much unless someone is a casual fan since the Pride days or a serious MMA fan, they probably don’t know of him. That downer equal a whole lot of revenue for Zuffa.
by A K I R A on Dec 16, 2010 4:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
He has the skills to back up the UFC's marketing machine
If you can’t promote a scary-calm omni-skilled Russian with an icy gaze, what can you promote?
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
It’s different in the rest of the world though, like in Europe and Asia where Pride had more success than the UFC, where a lot of casual fans actually switch to the UFC when Pride died and Crocop had his first fight there.
They see me rollin...
Thinking about it, it’s been a long time now, people are probably forgetting about him. I never saw Strikeforce on TV, but the UFC is here, making his expansion effort.
They see me rollin...
On a related note
La Fouine is the shit.
As an American, I normally don’t like Muslims or Frenchman, but he really knows how to rap. The lyrics sound good, then I translate them and I like them even more. Somehow, he evens sounds gangster in French while throwing out the occasional Arabic phrase. Cool shit.
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
to clarify
I’m joking, I think all kinds of people are pretty cool.
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
Glad you liked it, it’s really one of the best we’ve got right now. He got more than gangsta rap and ego trippin, there are some deeper songs like qui peux me stopper that I like a lot.
ps:Arabic in France is probably like Spanish in the US, there are some words and expression that absolutely everybody understand because the community is so strong.
They see me rollin...
I heard hamdoulah sa va, so I knew he wasn't that shallow
but that shit is deep.
On the West coast, ‘gangster’ means some real shit. Or like, just someone who doesn’t give a fuck. Qui peux me stopper is about as gangster as it gets.
Thanks for the heads up.
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
Eastern Europe maybe Eurosport which aired PRIDE on the other side of the Iron Curtain was and still is High Reach, low viewership.
by MattParker117 on Dec 16, 2010 6:30 AM EST up reply actions
A lot of this has to do with the fact that 90% of Fedor’s highlight reel is owned by Zuffa.
Strikeforce only has the Rogers fight and his loss to Werdum with which to advertise him. They can’t even use video of his Affliction fights. Affliction had a similar problem when they had Fedor; promotion of the Arlovski fight consisted of playing the 36 second win over Tim Sylvia in slo-motion like a million times.
If Fedor went to the UFC, his accomplishments would be plastered on every form of advertising Zuffa has.
The dude is a tailor-made scary foreign heel who comes in and destroys everyone (think Ivan Drago times umpteen – only REAL). Given the fact that UFC owns the entire PRIDE video library, they could have certainly made him look like a total badass to end all badasses. Bottom line – it does not matter if he’s well known or not, the UFC hype machine would’ve taken care of that. The real question is if he’d been up to the hype.
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by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Dec 16, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Or lining his own pockets. I mean, despite the popular opinion about M-1, they run a large number of successful and profitable fight cards every year. M-1 is co-owned by Fedor…. ergo, Fedor makes a bunch of money whether he fights or not.
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by exsanguinator on Dec 16, 2010 6:23 AM EST up reply actions
Fedor is a minority partner
and, as anyone who has ever been involved in small business ownership will tell you, as a minority partner, you get what they give you after everything that can be milked out has been…
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by The American Ronin on Dec 16, 2010 8:38 AM EST up reply actions
I should have used
“Privately held” rather than “small business” but I had already clicked “post”
Agreed about Dana, he is a 10% owner IIRC.
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by The American Ronin on Dec 16, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
that's what Cain will say after fighting JDS :)
How is it that every heavyweight wants to fight Fedor but then they lose their next fight? e.g. Mir, Carwin, Brock, …
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by SheepleBuster on Dec 16, 2010 7:55 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, I image he wouldn’t be sorry. He doesn’t seem to care all that much about fighting, so testing himself against some of the very best of his peers on the biggest stage by far in the sport doesn’t strike me as something that would make his heart all a twitter.
To be honest though, he really should be sorry with the way hes handed his career. As an MMA fan, i know i sure as hell am. I’m so sick of this guy.
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by Goonisis on Dec 16, 2010 4:41 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Hateful!
And testing himself agaisnt who? Cain and JDS are the only two guys that interest me. The only reason a Lesnar fight interested me because I wanted Fedor to expose Lesnar for what he is. Baddest man on the planet my ass.
SF has better competition for Fedor. Please believe that.
Who does SF have other then Werdom and The Demolition Man?
Kimbo wants to take your caterpiller and do bad things to it.
Barnett and Bigfoot now, and 2 of the 3 best HW prospects in MMA in Cormier and Del Rossario
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Dec 16, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
But that's kind of silly
If we are gonna list prospects as contenders the UFC has plenty of that too. Fedor would have a fun fight with JDS, Cain, Carwin and Brock. Maybe Mir too.
In Strikeforce we have Overeem. The rematch with Werdum is needed, but if I’m honest I’m not at all interested nor do I think it’s competitive. Fedor is going to MDK him. It’s VERY Serra/GSP.
Nobody should be interested in Barnett. Ever. Bigfoot might be fun, but I don’t think he’s all they have cracked him up to be.
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
by Chris Barton on Dec 16, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
If we are gonna list prospects as contenders the UFC has plenty of that too.
Except they don’t, at least not at HW. Strikeforce’s are much closer to prime time. Hell, Cormier would beat any UFC HW outside of the top-4 guys right now, today, and he would challenge any of the top-4 as well.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Dec 16, 2010 7:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You really like Cormier. That’s cool, I like him to. I don’t value his ability as much as you do. I think Fat Roy beats him. Brendan Shaub. The UFC has some legit prospects at HW, man.
If nothing else we can have the “epic” Fedor vs Cro Cop 2.
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
by Chris Barton on Dec 17, 2010 2:20 AM EST up reply actions
Agree about Fedor - Werdum
It will be the sort of squash match the first one should have been…
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Dec 16, 2010 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
True story. I just though I heard a voice from god. I’m supposed to write my thesis, instead I’m wasting time on this very site. I’m clicking on that youtube link, which is not immediately loading. so I browse another story when I hear it screaming “Hey, do your job!” (the beginning of the Fedor video). I almost fell out of my chair.
(of course it didn’t help, as I’m still writing that comment).
by Tyrion on Dec 16, 2010 4:42 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I HATE that thing at the beginning of their videos, it is SO annoying.
What the hell is the significance of it anyways….
Counter productive to the whole industry
Its like a weed dealer reminding you to go to school.
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
by TheFilt on Dec 16, 2010 5:10 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Google wants me to believe it’s from Halo 2.
They see me rollin...
by spectaa on Dec 16, 2010 5:09 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Once again
Google distorting facts to fit the liberal pro-Halo agenda.
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
That line?
I don’t think so. Halo, Gears of War, and UFC Undisputed are the only games I play.
I’ve gone through the Halo 2 campaign more times than I’d like to admit, I don’t recall ever hearing that line at any point in the game.
CPG
Alistair Overeem - StrikeForce HeavyWeight Champion, K-1 2010 World Grand Prix Champion
by Chris Groves on Dec 16, 2010 5:12 AM EST up reply actions
Apparently that would be when a marine get hit by the player…too lazy to check, but I don’ t remember that voice. That’s all I got from the quote “Hey! Do your job!”
And yeah I’m bored.
They see me rollin...
That line might be in there
But that voice doesn’t sound anything like one I’ve ever heard in the game.
CPG
Alistair Overeem - StrikeForce HeavyWeight Champion, K-1 2010 World Grand Prix Champion
by Chris Groves on Dec 16, 2010 5:19 AM EST up reply actions
Real Fan
If you were a real mma fan and not just an Ultimate Fighting fan, you would obviously know how much better EA MMA is. All the real fans only play it because the UFC sucks and Nick Diaz would smoke GSP like a 12" blunt.
didnt know what game you played coincided with how much of a fan you were
The days as champ are done... but the juggernaut known as Brock Lesnar will return.
apparently
guess i didn’t know shit.
The days as champ are done... but the juggernaut known as Brock Lesnar will return.
you fake fan
though i havent played either to date… so i guess i’m not a fan at all.
and if i did, i would choose undisputed first
The days as champ are done... but the juggernaut known as Brock Lesnar will return.
Never Played
I’ve never played EA but played Undisputed 09 extensively and enjoyed it. It just amazes me how you can only be a real fan by playing the game that nobody bought.
I wouldn’t mind if he stayed out of the UFC and really fought all the guys Strikeforce had for him right now. But it seems he has to re-negotiate after every single fight, with him rarely ever fighting because of it. Does he actually think this would fly in the UFC? With all these shenanigans he’s just not worth the trouble. He has just a couple of fights left, the UFC on the other hand has a couple of young heavyweights they can built upon for years to come.
by Tyrion on Dec 16, 2010 4:51 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Yeah Dana had mentioned that...
He was wondering WTF was up with SF, needing to negotiate and work with M1 to get him to fight again.
I’ve never heard of any fighter/management demanding better terms after losing.
by A K I R A on Dec 16, 2010 11:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Read my mind
I should have satyed out of Cain’s strawberry patch.
by donkeypunch on Dec 16, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
who is the gorgeous woman in the background?
the one behind Fedor, in the still shot and throughout the vid.
The UFC is not going to be the least bit sorry...
Some of your remaining fans may be, however…
Thankfully I was never one of them.
Fitch's only fan. It's lonely, being me.
cool story bro.
"Live fast, die." ~ GG Allin
by Bonedoctor on Dec 16, 2010 6:28 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Dan Henderson
appears to be as big as Fedor. Got to love it.
I can see Fedor being remeberd as the Marciano of MMA
With his proponents over – stating how great he was, and his detractors vastly under – rating him, and the truth lying somewhere in the middle.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Dec 16, 2010 7:01 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
This is about how
I see it playing out as well…
Now, should he crush Werdum, Overeem, Barnett and maybe Bigfoot (for the fun of it), particularly if Reem then becomes UFC champ down the road, then there will be an argument for GOAT HW that will stand up for years to come.
If not, he was the greatest HW of the PRIDE era, who then went to the minors, wouldn’t fight their champ, and lost in a #1 contender’s match.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Dec 16, 2010 8:50 AM EST up reply actions
Evolutionary Context
The problem I see is that his wins will likely be seen as what they are not in a context of the times. When he beat Coleman the first time it was impressive, but that win is meaningless in historical context. Cain would beat the shit out of the best Coleman that ever walked to the cage as well as Herring, Nogueira, and CroCop. While all of these wins were impressive at the time, in reality a win over Werdum now would prove more than those victories.
It’s a typo:
“When my career ends, and I don’t fight in the UFC, I will be sorry, not the UFC”
Seriously Fedor, it’s time to lace the fuck up, take the gonzo dollars they’re already offering you, don’t ask for a goddamn stadium to be built for your managers, and fight the people you need to fight.
Got the Summer hatin on me cus I'm hotter than the sun. Got the Spring hatin on me cus I ain't never sprung. Winter hatin on me cus I'm colder than ya'll; and I will never I will never I will never Fall.
The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino
by Patrick Tenney on Dec 16, 2010 7:11 AM EST reply actions 6 recs
Fedor only knows as much as M-1 tells him
Anyway send a message to Kogan of M-1 America
twitter.com/evgenikogan
Food goes in here
Fedor is still a great fighter

"He embodies this cultural shift that we have and it really started with Dr.Dre selling us NWA and selling us the culture of gangster is cool, Yeah gangster is cool in a way to watch a movie. But being gangster is just being a little kid. And starting a big brawl because, What? I talked some shit to your homie, that is just ghetto and that thing is what embodies what is wrong with america right now" Jason "mayhem" Miller on Nick Diaz
Oh well.
This will not hurt the UFC at all. Casuals do not know who this guy is. He fought once on CBS and hasn’t been seen in a long time. I have a buddy I work with that is Russian. He watches UFC and had never heard of Fedor until I told him about him.
Yall need to stop with the "casuals dont know who he is"
Its BS. I live n El Paso TX and we right next to Juarez, Mexico. The majority of kids from there know who Fedor is. They might not know who his next opponent is but they sure as hell know who he is.
My cousin has recently started watchin MMA and first thing he looked up was “best fighter in the planet”. Guess who came up the most?
by Menime on Dec 16, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I did.
One news headline for GSP, two youtube clips for Fedro, and the rest lists GSP/Silva/Fedro/Penn.
Guillotine.
that is a very intelligent google search.
Hard to argue with those picks.
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
by the-gentle-way on Dec 16, 2010 3:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
IN the planet?
My guess would be Mole Man.
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
by Chris Barton on Dec 16, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
This is an old video dating months ago.
So Dana White has talked loads of crap and then Fedor says this simple bitter remark and people go crazy about it ?
What was the purpose of this article if not to spur some Fedor bashing ?
People going crazy about it...wait...what?!?
Its been up over 4 hours and has all of 68 comments, most not bashing Fedor…
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Dec 16, 2010 8:45 AM EST up reply actions
The duck pic can stay. hmmmm

"He embodies this cultural shift that we have and it really started with Dr.Dre selling us NWA and selling us the culture of gangster is cool, Yeah gangster is cool in a way to watch a movie. But being gangster is just being a little kid. And starting a big brawl because, What? I talked some shit to your homie, that is just ghetto and that thing is what embodies what is wrong with america right now" Jason "mayhem" Miller on Nick Diaz
I know, its like he just gave an answer to get to the next question. lol
Personally I hope Fedor fights Bigfoot and then has a change of heart and bounces from SF and goes to the UFC.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Dec 16, 2010 8:43 AM EST up reply actions
I’m in this sport to fight the best. I want to fight the best guys in the UFC and the best guys everywhere else."
Notice in all this vitriol that one big part of the article is overlooked. The #1 HW in the world and the UFC champ is stating that he wants to fight the best guys and he considers that to be Fedor. I’m sure Dana loved that quote.
by memitim on Dec 16, 2010 7:56 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
^this
Apparently real recognize real.
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by VeeisAnimated on Dec 16, 2010 8:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It amazes how fans get upset because Fedor is comfortable with himself and legacy. GO FEDOR!
Do your thing. People will love you in one minute and hate you the next.
They’ll probably complain or bitch if your fight ends in decision.
Randy controlled his career and image.
Fedor controlled his career and image.
Jason Miller controlled his career and image.
That’s a good thing!
Despite whatever fans post on forums, blogs, etc. Fedor will always be recognized as the best. See Cain Velasquez’ statement.
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by VeeisAnimated on Dec 16, 2010 8:41 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Im really hoping he does indeed fight in Jan. Lov eme some Fedor fights even though he did have the nastiest brain fart ever last time.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Dec 16, 2010 8:48 AM EST up reply actions
We can bitch all we want.
That’s the beauty of being a fan. It’s not always going to be happy times when you are rooting for your favorite team/fighter/player. For fuck sakes I’m a Miami Dolphin fan. You know how much that sucks?
Miami Dolphins . . . no comment. Hey, I’m a Knicks fan, we just recently had
Fedor
I’ll give the guy a pass any time. Over 30 professional fights. He fought cans, he fought top contenders. He was pitted against UFC champions and left unscathed. He shut Freddi Roach up because we all know that he’s such an expert on MMA. Fans went from talking about how Couture, Lesnar and now Velasquez would destroy him. I acknowledge that there are some fighters that buy into Dana White’s train of thought but some fighters who don’t pay attention to the whole negotiation process with M-1 recognize Fedor as that dude.
Note: We don’t know all that transpired between M-1 and Zuffa and Strikeforce. Remember, you get what you negotiate. That’s business, that’s life. Despite what Dana White says, we really don’t know what was offered and what was not. Dana has a good history of twisting past events to make the UFC look good. And he’s a vindictive businessman protecting his interest, period.
- When was the last time we saw Frank Shamrock’s highlight reels? Especially his match against Tito Ortiz?
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by VeeisAnimated on Dec 16, 2010 9:17 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oops, the Knicks has a recent win streak for the first time in ages!
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by VeeisAnimated on Dec 16, 2010 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
He didn't really shut Roach up...
As Andre was winning the stand up and picking Fedor apart, until he felt a sloppy flying knee was a smart move haha.
by A K I R A on Dec 16, 2010 11:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
...not as bad as being a Redskins fan...
…yes…I am a Skinz fan…
Fedor will always be recognized as the best.
By who?
If the UFC really does grow the way Dana says it will, they will control a large portion of the history and in reality a huge percentage of UFC followers don’t know who he is. People who know him now will recognize him as one of the best, but the band wagon is as full now as it ever will be again.
Re-writing history like the "No Thinking Tanks" are doing...
You know, those like AEI (American Enterprise Institute) and the Cato Institute…
Would be scary stuff if the majority of thinking people didn’t already assume that kind of re-writing of history occurred regularly, particularly with “electronic only” media…
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Dec 16, 2010 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
By me and Sherdog DB
Something tells me you’re not serious with that question.
The UFC can and will re-write history. We’ve seen it with Frank Shamrock.
Sherdog DB will always put things into perspective.
Oddly enough many people feel Randy Couture (19-10) is/was one of the G.O.A.Ts. But when you look at the wins and losses. You’ll notice that he beat Tim Sylvia (28 – 6) and then you’ll see that Sylvia and Couture lost to Rodgrigo Noguiera (32 – 6). Now Big Nog tried and tried but never defeated Fedor (31 – 2). If people like Dana want to praise, scream or shout about Couture fighting the best of the best of the best with that so-so record . . . eventually inquiring minds will ask so who is this guy with a better record than Big Nog and Tim Sylvia. Why does he get so much respect from guys like Rampage, Cain Velasquez, Randy Couture. Why does a guy in a position like Velasquez, who will probably never face Fedor, is discussing the possibility of facing Fedor.
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by VeeisAnimated on Dec 16, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I really don't see it happening that way...
People aren’t going to say he was the best of the best when:
- They have never heard of him
- Never saw him fight
- Aren’t going to hear of him
- Aren’t going to see him fight
Most people aren’t historians and as time passes going back in time and finding / watching ancient footage of dead organizations will become more laboring. I truly don’t believe he will ever have more believers than he has right now.
- (They never heard of him) Most NBA players will continue to discuss Michael Jordan, Bill Russell, Oscar Robertson, etc. The legend of Fedor will live through fighters coming up.
- (They never saw him fight) YouTube!
- (Aren’t going to hear of him) Don’t underestimate the power of the fanatical zealots. (People like me.) Every heard of a boxer named Jack Johnson? There’s a book, a recent documentary about him, a graphic novel, and not to mention an old film about him starring
Darth Vader-James Earl Jones. - (Aren’t going to see him fight) YouTube! Thanks to the inner-net, I was able to see Rickson’s fights, Helio Gracie vs KMasahiko Kimura . . . I can go on. Oh yeah . . . I saw Michael Jackson and Prince share the same stage.
You would be surprised how many young kids are into ancient music from the 60’s and 70’s. But you’re right, most people aren’t historians.
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by VeeisAnimated on Dec 16, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I had some students (juniors in HS)
tell me how awesome the recent Roger Waters show was. Made me happy it’s not all just Lady Gaga and Katy Perry.
BOOSH
That’s awesome.
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by VeeisAnimated on Dec 16, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
People like us are the exception not the rule when it comes to MMA fans.
I think that is a factor that we overlook a lot of the time in these discussions.
It would be nice to see him get the recognition he deserves, but outside of the people that are carrying the torch right now I don’t see a ton more potential for people to hop aboard the band wagon. Maybe I am wrong.
You Are Wrong
And you are absolutely right.
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by VeeisAnimated on Dec 16, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
...and what does that say about people knowing about him in 10 years?
Nothing as far as I can tell. He isn’t a household name now.
If the sport grows to unseen levels over the next ten years, that won’t change.
I know this.
but it still has no bearing on how people will hear about him in 10 years or about how he will somehow become better known after his retirement than he is right now.
Of course it will. Ten years from now he will be retired and UFC will be putting out DVD’s, they want their own network. The Pride library is going to be a huge part of filling that content and Fedor will get known plenty. Especially if his younger brother, Ivan, is successful and in the UFC.
They will air his fight right next to the Frank Shamrock fights
and Tito’s wins that were left off the 100 all time best fights list.
Dana is a huge Fedor fan. In April he was gushing over him talking about how obsessed he is with him. Once he is retired and M-1 is out of the picture he will capitalize like mad on all the Pride footage he has been sitting on. Don’t confuse his volatile relationship with Shamrock or Ortiz to Fedor. At the end of the day, they are just two entities that couldn’t come to a deal. Everything else is Dana’s PT Barnum act and Vadim’s Baghdad Bob. Dan loves Fedor. He is exactly the kind of fighter he wants.
by memitim on Dec 16, 2010 5:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I think Dana would have been sorry if Fedor would have smashed everyone in SF and then retired without having to negotiate his contract 5 times. The way things did work out, there’s no way they are sorry. Fedor going elsewhere just saved them from massive headaches that would have popped up if he beat Randy or Brock when those fights were hot.
Fat Guy in a Chair
For people who don’t know about MMA’s history, specifically Pride’s history, they’ll just see a fat guy in his underwear in a throne. Take that picture out of context – he’s Fedor – and imagine how that looks to casual fans. Not good.
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by outlander78 on Dec 16, 2010 9:00 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
Who cares?
I mean…really…the guy was, without a doubt, the best heavyweight on the planet for YEARS. Making what he feels is the wrong decision at this point because people won’t realize he was good down the road because he doesn’t look impressive. I’d love to see him in the UFC, but it’s not like there’s no fights out there for him right now.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 16, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
just show a highlight film of the soft fat guy kicking ass
You gotta pay the troll toll to get into this boy's hole, you gotta pay the troll toll to get in.
Dana will get over it…I think he’s already over Fedor…
Fedor won’t care…
The fans are the losers here…
by Rrice on Dec 16, 2010 9:26 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
OMG.......
Fedor needs to wake up and get rid of his management. If he truly wants to test himself he will be smart and goto the UFC. Bottom line cause tha Beast said so!
Fight somebody, anybody
I don’t care if it’s in Strikeforce, the UFC, DREAM, Bellator, Shark Fights, Tachi Palace Fights…..
FFS Fedor, fight or go away. The overwhelming majority of news pertaining to this guy isn’t about him fighting, it’s about fight politics. You know who’s probably sorry? Scott Coker and Rich Chou.
"So, while you're taking a break from the UFC, hanging out at some lame party that your girlfriend dragged you to, I'll man up and watch some goddamn fights like a goddamn adult."
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Translation is a bit iffy.
Hopefully other Russian speakers can help me with this.
When Fedor answers the stupid question of who was stronger growing up I think I hear him saying Alex was stronger because he (Fedor) was 5 years older, not the other way around. Anyone?
I'm going to go ahead and say...
the UFC won’t be sorry, nor will Fedor. They’ll both be fine with the money they made and that is what motivates the decisions of both the UFC and Fedor/M1 (and I’m not saying that as a bad thing)
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 16, 2010 10:05 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
UFC execs wipe their asses with 100 dollar bills. I’m pretty sure they don’t, and won’t give a shit.
I think almost all of the people who care about Fedor (hardcore fans) have come to peace with the fact that he’ll never be in the UFC.
by nastyem on Dec 16, 2010 10:15 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Fedor is great. But the UFC will always be known as “the proving grounds” Fedor doesnt need the UFC and the visa versa the UFC doesnt need Fedor. Both will do just fine without one another.
by Spider_Vemon on Dec 16, 2010 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
To be fair, when Fedor was at his peak PRIDE was the heavyweight proving ground.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 16, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Going forward perhaps
But back then the UFC’s HW division compared to PRIDE’s was like Strikeforce’s WW division today compared to the UFC’s – still a few people that think the lesser org’s champ is the best, but few and far between…
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Dec 16, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
He needs to fight Overeem first, then he can talk about the UFC being sorry or not...
And perhaps Werdum before that. Because, you know, according to MMAth, JDS > Werdum> Fedor
"A guy in Texas came up to me and told me ‘Frye you're not mixed martial arts, you're no holds barred’, and I said you're god damn right partner." ~ Don Frye
The remainder of Fedor's career will determine if there are any regrets...
Should he face and dominate Werdum, Overeem, Barnett and Cormier before retiring, IMO he will have shown enough, particularly if either Overeem or Cormier then end up as UFC champ in the not-too-distant future…
Fedor, Overeem and Cormier (in a year or so) would all run through the vast majority of the top of the UFC’s HW division, Cain possibly excepted…
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Dec 16, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Fedor is full of it.
I actually have more respect for the guys in the UFC than Fedor. Look at Brock. Even though he is scared to death of taking a punch, he at least got in the cage with Mir, Couture, and Cain – like a man.
How can you be the greatest warrior and you rarely step onto the battlefield? I think the old term that I’m looking for is a “fighting champion”.
Look at history.
What if Michael Jordan refused to play in any of the NBA finals because his wanted a better contract with the Bulls?
What if Ali or Tyson in their prime refused to defend their championship until they were granted millions of dollars beyond what was in their original contract.
They would have been booed and hated by sports fans everywhere.
Why does Fedor get a pass? Because he beat the best in the world – how many years ago?
Cain, Dos Santos, etc. they are better trained than any of their heavy weight counterparts from years ago? With the increase in training gyms and the variety of arts that can be learned, we are witnessing a new breed of heavyweight.
Heck, in Strikeforce they have guys like Cormier (I have more respect for him than Fedor) and Del Rosario that are hungry and who do not have anything to lose and no bargaining chips. If I was Coker, I’d say the hell with Fedor, Werdum, and even Overeem if they don’t want to fight for the organization, cut them.
I would pay money to see M-1 try that with Dana White ;))))))))
by MMA: No Heels Required on Dec 16, 2010 11:10 AM EST reply actions
What if Michael Jordan refused to play in any of the NBA finals because his wanted a better contract with the Bulls?
Team sport…irrelevant.
What if Ali or Tyson in their prime refused to defend their championship until they were granted millions of dollars beyond what was in their original contract.
Contracts in boxing = fight to fight. Tons of great boxers have refused to take fights until the terms were something they agreed with.
Cain, Dos Santos, etc. they are better trained than any of their heavy weight counterparts from years ago? With the increase in training gyms and the variety of arts that can be learned, we are witnessing a new breed of heavyweight.
Yes…we are. That doesn’t take away from what Fedor did, when he did it. Just like I’d bet against Royce Gracie beating anyone on the current UFC roster right now, but that doesn’t mean that what he did, when he did it, isn’t incredible.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 16, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd, but
I agree with everything you say here, but I also understand and share some of the exasperation with Fedor and how he’s approached the sport in the past few years. I was happy when Werdum beat him, because it created an opportunity for fighters who are actually fighting to redefine the division that he owned for so long. I’d love to see Fedor in the UFC, but I’m really glad that we no longer NEED to see him in the UFC. If he wants to go be a Russian politician, that’s groovy. He will be well remembered for his success in the sport, but the way he’s behaving now is making it hard to celebrate his glory days.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Dec 16, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
I’d love to see Fedor in the UFC, but I’m really glad that we no longer NEED to see him in the UFC. If he wants to go be a Russian politician, that’s groovy. He will be well remembered for his success in the sport, but the way he’s behaving now is making it hard to celebrate his glory days.
I would argue none of that
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 16, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
we no longer NEED to see him in the UFC
I agree with that part.
He only has a handful of fights left and Barnett, Overeem and the Werdum rematch will be enough. For Fedor’s sake I would like to see him in the UFC, without him finishing his career there, I doubt there will ever be another DVD of the Pride fights. He would also be exposed to a lot bigger audience.
I think they need him more then ever. Brock Lesnar being exposed made the UFC HW division very suspect. A case can be made that there is better HW’s outside of the UFC.
Root for the home team jack ass
Couldn't agree more
Just pointing out that unlike every other division in MMA the UFC’s HW division is weak and thin after you get past the top two or three fighters
Root for the home team jack ass
The UFC's HW division is far deeper than the international scene...
After Werdum, Barnett, Fedor, Overeem and I suppose Big Foot the list of decent non UFC fighters is very very thin too.
Thank you for reading my comment.
In regards to the Bulls, do you think they could have won the finals without Jordan? I don’t think so. My point was that Jordan was a central figure to the Bulls as an organization. What if he sat out a season or became a hold out because he was unhappy with some term in his contract.
In the same way Fedor is central to Strikeforce as an organization. They signed him to showcase what was touted as the best MMA fighter in the world. Yet in critical moments he and his management team have refused to fulfill his duties (Strikeforce in April on CBS, a fight with Overeem).
It really makes me wonder what their endgame is. Say if they get everything they demand. How is that going to establish M-1 as a MMA brand. They will still have to put on great fights, build new stars, acquire TV deals etc. – the same leg work that every other organization has had to do.
What if Strikeforce goes out of business? What’s they’re gameplan then. “Oh. Let’s leech off of Bellator, what about MFC, I don’t know about Dream (they don’t have the finances)….”.
How about this earth shaking idea: Get Fedor to fight a big name opponent (and I know they will not like the thought of paying out of pocket) under ….wait for it….the M-1 banner or on an M-1 PPV. CRAZY I KNOW!
Also with Tyson or Ali, Fedor not fighting Overeem for whatever reason would be like Ali not fighting Foreman. I say that because I have a feeling that no matter what demand Strikeforce meets the fight won’t happen.
by MMA: No Heels Required on Dec 17, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
If I was Coker, I’d say the hell with Fedor, Werdum, and even Overeem if they don’t want to fight for the organization, cut them.
And that’s why you’re on a comment board and not running a business.
Brock had an active 2008, other than that, he hasn’t fought on a more regular basis than Fedor.
I may be on a comment board....
But the one who is “running a business” does not seem to have an adequate understanding that contracts work both ways (Coker).
by MMA: No Heels Required on Dec 17, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Also please note...
That if the three were cut do you actually think that they could survive in the UFC (the only viable MMA option after Strikeforce).
Werdum – He lost to Dos Santos. How do you think he would do against Cain or any other strong HW who does not dive head first into his guard.
Fedor – Well we already know what would happen if he tried anything shady with Dana – snip,snip.
Overeem – Great guy. Really is a real life super hero but…… He is not a fighting champion when it comes to MMA. 2 years before his first title defense, another year (according to his post K-1 victory interview) before another Strikeforce defense. But you know what – He sure is amped about fighting at Dynamite 2010 ;{!!!!???
Your heavyweight champ should be your bread and butter – i.e. he should fight in at least 2 superfights, big money PPV matches, each year . Overeem….not so much.
Now that he has fulfilled his dream, he needs to fulfill his obligations to defend his title stateside. Also have you seen his record? Brock has a more impressive record.
So yes, I do believe Coker should make the threat of a cut because it’s a bargaining chip for a man who seems to have few – or at least holds his hand too close to his chest.
Where else are they going to go???
by MMA: No Heels Required on Dec 17, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Fedor Emelianenko is 4-1 with 3 wins over top-10 fighters (Sylvia, Arlovski, Rogers).
Cain Velasquez is 7-0 over the last 3 years, with 2 wins over top-10 guys (Lesnar, Big Nog).
Overeem is 8-0 at heavyweight in MMA over the last 3 years, with one victory over a top-10 heavyweight (Brett Rogers, #8). His only other ranked opponent (Cro Cop at #9) was ruled a NC after Overeem completely dominated the fight on the ground and on the feet before "cracking" Cro Cop’s nads…
Shane Carwin is 5-1 at heavyweight over the last 3 years, with one victory over a top-10 opponent (Frank Mir).
JDS is 7-0 over the last 3 years, with 1 win over a top-10 guy (Werdum).
Lesnar is 4-2 over the last 3 years, with 3 wins over top-10 guys (Couture, Mir, Carwin)
Werdum is 5-1 over the last 3 years with 1 win over a top-10 guy (#1 Fedor) as well as wins over Bigfoot, Kyle, Vera and Gonzaga, and the loss to JDS.
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by The American Ronin on Dec 17, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry.
Cain, Dos Santos, etc. they are better trained than any of their heavy weight counterparts from years ago.
by MMA: No Heels Required on Dec 16, 2010 11:12 AM EST reply actions
Yeah
Those videos are insane!
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by Drunken cutman on Dec 16, 2010 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
Another thing.
Is it me or did Fedor’s legend grow from his absence from the fight game? I remember back in the day when I would watch the Pride highlights on Fox Sports (with Trigg and Glazer) Fedor was kinda of an afterthought. I know they would talk about how he would always find a way to win, but all this “last emperor” talk did not exist. Actually, I think W.Silva was a bigger star, in my mind, because he was merking everything that got in the ring with him.
Just a thought.
by MMA: No Heels Required on Dec 16, 2010 11:17 AM EST reply actions
Silva fought a ton of absolute scrubs in PRIDE. One of my absolute favorite fighters, but his PRIDE career path was almost identical to Fedor.
And during PRIDE’s run, Fedor was never an afterthought.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 16, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
True
but if I remember right, Wand was the bigger star.
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by Chris Barton on Dec 16, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
Thank you for reading my comment.
So Rampage (who defeated Chuck) was a scrub? Because that’s the main highlight that really stuck with me (Rampage hanging between the ropes).
I’m sorry. I didn’t mean that Fedor was an afterthought to the MMA community as a whole – that was just MY opinion after watching the highlight show.
by MMA: No Heels Required on Dec 17, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Sounds like a little kid running away from home (to the end of the block)
“you’ll be sorry! you’ll miss me!”
lol, this stuff just keeps getting better.
He’s been constantly ducking the best fighters his entire career if you ask me. Other than Nog and Cro Cop [Arlovski and Sylvia can be debated for or against him], he has fought nothing but bums. At this point in his career, he’s still looking for easy fights and ducking the best; the entire UFC Heavyweight division and Alistair.
At this point, Fedor, it’s either shut the fuck up and retire or go to the UFC.
The entire “Other than Nog and Cro Crop” line really derails the rest of your argument.
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by Chris Barton on Dec 16, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sure
but they still fought and Fedor beat him.
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by Chris Barton on Dec 16, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
At this point, Fedor, it’s either shut the fuck up and retire or go to the UFC.
Why aren’t fights with Overeem, Werdum or even Antonio Silva legitimate?
And yeah, it’s pretty clear you’re not familiar with most of the guys he fought.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 16, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Fedor vs Someone exciting
and
Overeem vs Someone exciting
Both of these fights need to happen this year.
Fedor vs Werdum / Overeem / Barnett
Overeem vs Werdum / Fedor / Barnett / Big Foot
Come on Strikeforce! Make this happen.
I'd happily watch any of those matchups or even Barnett
but none of these fights are happening. It is frustrating. Fans haven’t seen Fedor in a desirable matchup in years. Even the Werdum fight was frowned upon when it was announce. A lot of people thought Fedor was hand picking opponents and ducking Overeem.
Who did he duck?
You need to think back to who was a HW in the last few years. Other then Brock there was no other fights inside of the UFC.
Root for the home team jack ass
this might hurt
A lot of fanboy’s on here but this dude can jump out the window of a 10 storie building already. Unless he’s announcing he’s fighting Overeem (don’t care to see him fight werdun or barnett) or going to the ufc i couldn’t care less (I believe this is beginning to be general consensus) and considering this interview is from the EA mma launch this is just an attempt by the author to drive traffic but ppl need to realize its not ’08 anymore. If fedor never fought again how many ppl would actually notice? A very small percentage. Harsh rt? but al the while still very true.
by liquidation247 on Dec 16, 2010 11:47 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Right, right… we hear it on every Fedor post, the guys that “don’t care” about Fedor often invest more time reading, watching and writing about the guy than those of us that love him.
Have fun watching his next fight champ.
by bleve_ on Dec 16, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Overeem or Fedor
I have to wonder, purely from a business perspective, if Overeem wouldn’t be a more attractive singing than Fedor for the UFC at this point. From a marketing standpoint for the UFC brand, I’ve got to think Overeem has moved up to the #1 seed for Dana in terms of potential signings.
Both of those guys come to the table with substantial contractual baggage — Fedor with all the M1 shenanigans and Overeem with his kickboxing career — but I think Overeem at this point is slightly more appealing as a UFC fighter.
Fedor’s main selling point has been his aura of invincibility, but now he’d be coming into the UFC off a loss to a UFC washout. It would take a lot of explaining for the UFC marketing team to tell the casual fanbase why they should care about this doughy, older, non-English speaking fighter coming off a loss.
Overeem on the other hand, looks like Mr. Olympia and is a reigning world kickboxing champ who gives awesome interviews.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
I think the UFC’s marketing machine could and would make a much bigger star out of either guy.
I really want to see Reem in the UFC, but much like was the case originally with Fedor and his Sambo, Reem’s K-1 would be an issue, and honestly Strikeforce’s top guys at HW are at least the equal of the UFC’s, and their prospects are far better than the UFC’s HW prospects.
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by The American Ronin on Dec 16, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
I'd like to see either or both of those guys in the UFC
but if I had to pick one, I’d probably lean toward Reem. I realize he may not be as good/proven/legendary as Fedor, but his upside is outrageous, and he’s a perfect larger than life figure for the UFC fan-base.
I also am more optimistic about Reem actually happening. I think if Dana offered enough dough, and maybe let him compete in some set number of K-1 events per year, he would be get-able.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Dec 16, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Reem's K1 career won't be tolerated by the UFC
Sad, but true
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Down with Fedor. His selling point’s been thrown out the window once he lost to Werdum. Now it’s just sad that he’s still pretending to be the top dog even though he hasn’t fought any significant opponent in recent memory.
by nevergoasstomouth on Dec 16, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
even though he hasn’t fought any significant opponent in recent memory
…other than his last fight?
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 16, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
He fought the best available at the time. Tim was ranked in the top ten. Arloski was ranked in the top ten. At the time Big Nog was the champ and Fedor had already beat him. The Affliction fights were top HW fights at the time. Fedor certainly has some blame in this whole thing but Dana has a big hunk of blame too. I would love to see him fight Cain but who knows if that will happen. Him not being in the UFC doesn’t diminish his accomplishments. He is the Ali of MMA in my book regardless what the casuals know or don’t know. Hell half the people can’t even tell you who the first president was so I wouldn’t put much faith into a popularity contest. The facts are facts.
Root for the home team jack ass
This quote is like 7 months or something late.
They won’t miss you at all Fedor. You will be a MMA footnote of what might have been. You could have been remembered as the best ever, but you didn’t have the gumption to get some real management.
I think we all agree his management is crap and I hope Kogan’s Twitter implodes via hate-tweets.
But… Fedor will be a footnote in MMA history ?
Even if he doesn’t fight in the UFC, many fighters have and continue to call him one of the best (GSP, BJ Penn, Cain Velasquez, Werdum, etc.).
I think fighters will keep Fedor’s memory alive long after he retires.
Ignorance of the facts
I’ve never seen so many comments made on this site that can’t be backed up. Fedor has quite a resume. I know many of the Brock crowd are new to MMA but you should take a little time and check it out. You might understand why all these old guys defend him and why so many fighters say he is the best ever.
Root for the home team jack ass
One thing about Brock though.... and Fedor's Resume
He still signed with the UFC and took every fight that was offered him (Mir 2X, Couture, Cain). I respect that more than what Fedor did 6 years ago.
Also, all the big names that Fedor has on his resume other fighters have the same names on theirs.
Loss Fabricio Werdum Submission (Triangle Armbar) Strikeforce / M-1 Global – Fedor vs. Werdum 6/26/2010 1 1:09
Win Brett Rogers TKO (Punches) Strikeforce / M-1 Global – Fedor vs. Rogers 11/7/2009 2 1:48
Win Andrei Arlovski KO (Punch) Affliction – Day of Reckoning 1/24/2009 1 3:14
Win Tim Sylvia Submission (Rear-Naked Choke) Affliction – Banned 7/19/2008 1 0:36
Win Hong Man Choi Submission (Armbar) Yarennoka – New Years Eve 2007 12/31/2007 1 1:54
Win Matt Lindland Submission (Armbar) Bodog Fight – Clash of the Nations 4/14/2007 1 2:58
Win Mark Hunt Submission (Kimura) PRIDE – Shockwave 2006 12/31/2006 1 8:16
Win Mark Coleman Submission (Armbar) PRIDE 32 – The Real Deal 10/21/2006 2 1:15
Win Wagner da Conceicao Martins Submission (Punches) PRIDE – Shockwave 2005 12/31/2005 1 0:26
Win Mirko Filipovic Decision (Unaminous) PRIDE – Final Conflict 2005 8/28/2005 3 5:00
Win Tsuyoshi Kosaka TKO (Doctor Stoppage) PRIDE – Bushido 6 4/3/2005 1 10:00
Win Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE – Shockwave 2004 12/31/2004 3 5:00
NC Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira No Contest – Accidental Cut PRIDE – Final Conflict 2004 8/15/2004 1 3:52
Win Naoya Ogawa Submission (Armbar) PRIDE – Final Conflict 2004 8/15/2004 1 0:54
Win Kevin Randleman Submission (Kimura) PRIDE – Critical Countdown 2004 6/20/2004 1 1:33
Win Mark Coleman Submission (Armbar) PRIDE – Total Elimination 2004 4/25/2004 1 2:11
Win Yuji Nagata TKO (Punches) Inoki Bom-Ba-Ye 2003 – Inoki Festival 12/31/2003 1 1:02
Win Gary Goodridge TKO (Soccer Kicks and Punches) PRIDE – Total Elimination 2003 8/10/2003 1 1:09
Win Kazuyuki Fujita Submission (Rear-Naked Choke) PRIDE 26 – Bad to the Bone 6/8/2003 1 4:17
Win Egidijus Valavicius Submission (Kimura) Rings Lithuania – Bushido Rings 7: Adrenalinas 4/5/2003 2 1:13
Win Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE 25 – Body Blow 3/16/2003 3 5:00
Win Heath Herring TKO (Doctor Stoppage) PRIDE 23 – Championship Chaos 2 11/24/2002 1 10:00
Win Semmy Schilt Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE 21 – Demolition 6/23/2002 3 5:00
Win Chris Haseman TKO (Punches) Rings – World Title Series Grand Final 2/15/2002 1 2:50
Win Lee Hasdell Submission (Guillotine Choke) Rings – World Title Series 5 12/21/2001 1 4:10
Win Ryushi Yanagisawa Decision (Unanimous) Rings – World Title Series 4 10/20/2001 3 5:00
Win Renato Sobral Decision (Unanimous) Rings – 10th Anniversary 8/11/2001 2 5:00
Win Kerry Schall Submission (Armbar) Rings – World Title Series 1 4/20/2001 1 1:47
Win Mihail Apostolov Submission (Rear-Naked Choke) Rings Russia – Russia vs. Bulgaria 4/6/2001 1 1:03
Loss Tsuyoshi Kosaka TKO (Doctor Stoppage) Rings – King of Kings 2000 Block B 12/22/2000 1 0:17
Win Ricardo Arona Decision (Unanimous) Rings – King of Kings 2000 Block B 12/22/2000 3 5:00
Win Hiroya Takada KO (Punches) Rings – Battle Genesis Vol. 6 9/5/2000 1 0:12
Win Levon Lagvilava Submission (Rear-Naked Choke) Rings – Russia vs Georgia 8/16/2000 1 7:24
Win Martin Lazarov Submission (Guillotine Choke) Rings Russia – Russia vs. Bulgaria 5/21/2000 1 2:24
Per Sherdog
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Cro Cop – Gabriel (in dramatic fashion)
Big Nog – Cain, Mir
Brett Rogers – Overeem in more dramatic fashion
Tim Sylvia – RAY MERCER WITH ONE PUNCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!1:{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{
by MMA: No Heels Required on Dec 17, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Also
He lost to Werdum.
Werdum (Lost) – Dos Santos who dusted him off (street slang) !
by MMA: No Heels Required on Dec 17, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
You know if Fedor isn’t sorry about not fighting in the UFC then that’s fine but does he think he as an individual fighter is bigger than the organizations out there? Does he think that the UFC will be “sorry” if they don’t get one guy to fight for them? All and all at the end of the day he is just one fighter in a constantly growing sport. He is a damn good fighter but his effect as a draw isn’t ever going to be a game changer for the industry.
Is he a great fighter? yes. Will he be remembered as a great fighter? yes. Will the UFC miss not having him fight for them in the long run? no they won’t. Lots of fighters will come and go and I doubt that Fedor not fighting in the UFC is going to damage the company’s growth any. In the long run he will just be another fighter from the early years of the sport, other fighters and hardcore internet fans will remember him but for casuals it’s just another old guy.
Cain basically described himself
The first quote, and I really don’t think the UFC gives a sh*t if Fedor comes at this point, It should be the OTHER way around. I truly believe he COULD defeat most of the UFC’s top fighters, but now that he won’t sign with them, and realize that all other fighters are on these terms too, he is tarnishing his legacy and will never go down as a true legend of MMA.
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