Jason 'Mayhem' Miller Continues War of Words With Nick Diaz
by Nate Wilcox on Dec 14, 2010 4:30 PM EST
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Jason Miller, aka "Mayhem," has been lobbying for a fight with Strikeforce welterweight champ Nick Diaz ever since their brawl in the cage after the Jake Shields vs Dan Henderson fight at "Strikeforce: Nashville."
Currently that fight isn't happening because Diaz won't fight at more than 179 pounds and Miller won't cut below 180 pounds.
Miller talked to Sherdog about Diaz and dropped some bombs:
"They've started spitting out, ‘Oh, 178.' Meanwhile back at the ranch, Nick Diaz is saying, ‘I'll fight middleweight. I'll fight middleweight.' OK, well, just not against me, right? That's how it is," Miller said recently during an appearance on the Sherdog Radio Network's "It's Time! with Bruce Buffer."
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"We've got an outstanding beef," Miller said. "They trumped up this beef with him and K.J. Noons -- it was a 4-year-old beef. Man, Tito Ortiz was smashing Ken Shamrock back in the days they had that beef. This beef is brand-spanking-new. Let's do it now. Let's do it now. Stockton is a bunch of sissies."
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"I'm at the table," Miller said. "I'm at the table with a plate of yams, sitting there ready to spank his ass, but he doesn't want to come to the table. He wants to sit in his bedroom with Cesar Gracie and cuddle."
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I think Strikeforce is behind this...
It seems like a crazy marketing strategy by the promotion at this point.
they got me hooked....
I want to see it happen. Their marketing is working…
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I wouldn’t be surprised if ECW fans remember stuff like this to hype matches.
Jab, jab, towards, short, fierce.
Miller
If you’re not going to fight at 179, shut up. I don’t care that much about this fight. If you’re trying to dreg up hype, your are doing the exact opposite.
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Care to provide an example of Diaz talking about it?
With the exception of that one video blog with him driving, I have,’t seen any comment on this from Nick at all.
"I can make 185, I’ll fight at that weight. I want someone to offer me the fight if that’s what’s up" Nick Diaz – October 9th, 2010
so he’ll fight at mw but wont give mayhem a fight…
"Live fast, die." ~ GG Allin
Go back and watch the interview. That quote had nothing to do with a potential Mayhem fight. Nick hasn’t said a damn thing about fighting Mayhem since he put out that one video blog.
It adds to the impression
That weight is a convenient excuse for the fact that any competent grappler is a bad match up for Nick.
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by Derek Suboticki on Dec 14, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
You meant to say"wrestler with defensive BJJ". Nick is a very competent grappler himself…only not specifically in the wrestling department. ;)
To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.
Yep, can’t be bothered to find it but it is on video and not just some random quote attributed to Diaz.
by Empty Thoughts on Dec 14, 2010 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
C'mon
You’d watch the shit out of that fight. Wherever you come down on the whole Miller-Diaz thing, it’d be fun to see. Maybe not as fun as Diaz Daley (crosses fingers) but still real fun.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Dec 14, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
Its just another fight
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ugh, I say no sir
But if you haven’t had sweet potatoe fries…Bob evans. Hit it up
They made a video game about Yakuzas. It’s called Yakuza. And it’s about Yakuza
like truck said, they’re pretty much the same thing. also, you break out the sweet potato fies arguemnt and back it up with wack-ass Bob Evans? poor form.
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by eastcoastatlas on Dec 14, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
Dude that was the first time and place I ever had em. I've been missing out. I don't ever head south. Northern Virginia is it's own state
They made a video game about Yakuzas. It’s called Yakuza. And it’s about Yakuza
Oj jesus Mayhem. Get a life dude. You never won anything in Strike force, and you’re making demands?
He’s offering a catch weight so it will be fair for both of you. You’re the one calling him out, so you should go fight him.
by barpower on Dec 14, 2010 4:37 PM EST reply actions 10 recs
Contracts need to be signed before this gets old…don’t think there’s a fight I’ve cared about seeing more than this in Strikeforce history, not only because of this “beef”, but because I actually think it’d be a great fight.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Dec 14, 2010 4:39 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
Overeem-Werdum? Diaz-Daley?
I like this fight too, but I think there are plenty of other interesting fights in Strikeforce, including a few that involve Mr. Diaz. From a rankings/global significance standpoint, Daley-Diaz is a much more important fight than Mayhem-Diaz. It might be more competitive too, stylistically.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Dec 14, 2010 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
I'm on board for Diaz-Daley, but this one has some serious hype behind it
I’ve gotta say I don’t see why Diaz doesn’t go up to MW for this one…his belt won’t be on the line, and he’s been there before. He would be the smaller fighter, but given the animosity between he and Mayhem, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Mayhem “don’t be scared homie” website troll job eventually gets to him. If so, SF can look forward to one helluva big ratings number. It’s about the biggest fight they could make at the moment.
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So hard to tell with Diaz
He might be stubborn enough that he would feel like he lost if he budged on the 179 number, or he might decide he’s tired of Mayhem’s mouth and take the fight. I suspect if SF would sweeten the pot, that would help everything along. So we’ll see what they think its worth to them.
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by Dave Strummer on Dec 14, 2010 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
Contracts need to be signed before this gets old
Too late
by Steve4192 on Dec 14, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Totally agree
This fight needs to happen.
Everyone knows that Nick can fight at MW and everyone knows that STRIKEFORCE title fights don’t mean shit.
This is an interesting fight with bad blood all over it, the fight markets itself, Coker should be pushing Nick to fight Miller, IMO.
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by James Anthony on Dec 14, 2010 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
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It's official. Les Miles DOES NOT have a deal with the devil. He beat him Nov. 6th, 24-21.
Those guys still have the energy for that?
Mayhem has been saying the same things for months.
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I'm sure Diaz
Can go to 180 it’s alot easier for him then Miller cutting is alot more difficult and even though it’s a pound depending where he cuts from that might as well be 100. Diaz man up go the pound. Miller shut up if he hasn’t done it yet he’s not gonna if you want it that bad prepare fir the pound I guess.
by Bloodsport on Dec 14, 2010 5:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If the money was right Miller would take a fight at 178
That;s what Diaz was saying, he’ll fight at any weight if the pay is right and so would Miller. But if it comes to putting skill and against skill and really determining who’s the better fighter, they need to agree on a weight first and meet in the middle.
I heard...
Mayhem’s contract with SF was almost up…they should really hurry and put this fight together before Bellator pulls him to MTV2…
Stockton is a bunch of sissies
If Diaz is half the thug he claims to be then this should be enough to get him to sign.
It's official. Les Miles DOES NOT have a deal with the devil. He beat him Nov. 6th, 24-21.
Let me ask you a question DayGeaux
Let’s say I called you right now and said I wanted to fight you, so you need to drive over to my house two states over, so we can fight. What would you say to me. You would say if I wanted to fight you, I should come fight you, right?
Why do you want to fight me? Fuck that where do you live?
It's official. Les Miles DOES NOT have a deal with the devil. He beat him Nov. 6th, 24-21.
by DayGeaux on Dec 14, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Let me ask you a question barpower
If me and a group of my friends jumped you and beat you down would you think I was a little bitch?
Now if I told you that you could come to fight me and get your revenge, but if you wanted to fight one on one you would have to lose 22 lbs and severely dehydrate your self in the days leading up to the fight. What would you say?
He doesn't have to lose 22 pounds.
And Mayhem is the one calling him out…
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Exactly, Nick diaz doesn’t give two shits about fighting Mayhem, Truck. If you call someone out, go fight them. Diaz isn’t calling Mayhem out. And If I did something to deserve to get jumped, which Mayhem did, I wouldn’t just single out one person, when he wasn’t the only one who put his hands on me. And where the hell did you get 22 pounds from? Are you crazy?
that’s nothing. my junior year of high school i went from 147 to 127 in a month and then would go back up to 135 and back down to 127 each week. 22 pounds for a single fight with months to train is nothing for a 200 pound man.
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by eastcoastatlas on Dec 14, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
much easier for a 200 pounder to do it then a 147er
Mayhem can make 178, he just doesn’t want to give Diaz the advantage.
"I’m anti-stalling, not anti-wrestling." - lowellthehammer
Also when you say things like:
If I did something to deserve to get jumped, which Mayhem did
I realize I should stop trying to have a reasonable conversation…
by truck on Dec 14, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Yea because if Dana White says it, it must be true!
/sarcasm
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-Don Frye
i'm going to barge into your conversation and make demands.
1- I want a rematch
2- I want a you to fight at your walk around weight so that I have a 20+lb advantage
3- I want you to watch my show on MTV
if you do not meet these demands you are a sissy and so is your whole team, coach & town.
these kind of demands Miller makes are ludicrous, he doesn’t have the pull to make any demand…other than being a ‘personality’. He’s not a champ & hasn’t beaten anyone of any real significance. There are other fights for him at his own weight, so why does Diaz even matter?
oh yeah #4, do not ban me for trolling
Who's the only one here who knows illegal ninja moves from the government?
by tigerlee on Dec 14, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
This ^^
I am a Miller fan, but he hasn’t even earned a title shot in any weight class and is making these kind of demands/accusations. If I was Diaz, I wouldn’t even worry about what Mayhem thinks or says. Mayhem should worry about earning a shot at Jacare instead of acting like he is auditioning for WWE. And to call all of Scranton some sissies??? Better stay away from all of NorCal
If u want to see great fights, watch K-1.
If u want to see great wrestling, watch UFC.
Scranton....
LMAO, too much Office
If u want to see great fights, watch K-1.
If u want to see great wrestling, watch UFC.
Have you already forgotten
his recent title shot? Against Shields? You know, the one where Shields was saved from being submitted by the bell…
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by The American Ronin on Dec 14, 2010 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
we didn't forget that Mayhem lost either
the one where Shields rode Mayhem around the cage all night. a lot of people almost do something spectacular…
i’m not a Miller hater, honestly, but this is a fabricated ‘beef’ & its kinda stale. the guy Mayhem is calling out is a weight class lower, is already a champ, and has the upper hand in deciding to take a catch-weight bout with someone who almost submitted another ww fighting at 185
what about fighting the champ at your own weight class that you actually DO have a beef with?
Mayhem should be calling out Jacare…or Tim Kennedy…hey, maybe he should focus on getting the Lawler matchup back on the table. You know the one he was promised before he stepped into the cage to interrupt that other sissy from the Cesar Gracie camp.
Who's the only one here who knows illegal ninja moves from the government?
My best guess – Mayhem is all about the money with this one.
And, IIRC, Jacare, who has the best BJJ for MMA in all of MMA IMO, has already said he won’t fight Mayhem again.
Personally, I’d like to see him fight Mousasi or King Mo…
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by The American Ronin on Dec 15, 2010 2:30 AM EST up reply actions
Jacare is easily the most athletic BJJ world champion in MMA IMO.
Its really separated him from other BBJ champ in MMA, who usually struggle with striking or wrestling.
I don’t blame Jacare for not wanting a third fight with the dude who soccer kicked him(illegally).
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
Maia is progressing well with the rest
of his game, I would love to see those 2 fight.
Frankly, I am surprised he doesn’t get more love, he would be a dangerous fight for Anderson, and I think he beats every other UFC MW right now.
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by The American Ronin on Dec 15, 2010 8:37 AM EST up reply actions
Strikeforce coudln't market Jesus
If he was in the UFC we’d hear everyday how he’s the Michael Jordan of BJJ.
Maia has come a long way. For a guy with only two losses(one to the UFC champ, one to the #1 contender), that’s saying a lot. I’d like to see that fight too.
We might get to see Drysdal vs Roger Gracie, that would be pretty cool.
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Why isn't diaz calling him out?
The fight would headline a card and make lots of money. Just because miller isn’t highly ranked doesn’t really matter — Miller has star power — they would both make some bank.
Diaz doesn’t want to fight, not because of money or prestige or any of the things Diaz fans are saying, but because Diaz would get beat down.
Faber, Florian, Diaz, 'Mayhem', Mousasi, Fedor
What is Mayhem's walk around weight? It sure as shit isn't 185.
I am thinking it is probably somewhere around 200 like most other MWs
So he has to lose 22 pounds as opposed to fifteen?
Come on.
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Ask GSP how taxing losing and extra 8 lbs would be...
Ask Thiago Alves, and Rumble if he can lose and extra 7 lbs for his next fight.
But its easy as hell to fight 3 pounds over your walk around weight?
Diaz made a compromise, Miller doesn’t want to, and yet they keep talking. I don’t care.
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Diaz looks weak because
He had previously said he would fight at 185. I’m with Mayhem on this one. Diaz said he would fight at 185 previously so I can see why Mayhem can say his sudden demands of 7 extra pounds of cutting is weak.
To those trying to trivialize 7 extra pounds of weight cutting, I dare you to cut 22 pounds and see if you feel the same as you did after the first 15.
Boo hoo.
Mayhem is calling out a guy 30 pounds lighter than him who walks around five pounds lighter than the MW limit. Pardon me if I don’t feel too much sympathy for his plight.
If he just wants to get some payback for Nashville, I’m sure Nick is a game for backstage scrap any time Mayhem is feeling froggy. No weigh ins required. But, if he wants to fight Nick in a professional setting and make some money, he has to cut some weight.
Please explain to me how Nick would make more money fighting Mayhem versus fighting someone like Paul Daley?
Prowrestling.
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by Derek Suboticki on Dec 14, 2010 8:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How does ‘prowrestling’ lead to more money for Nick?
He gets paid the same by Strikeforce regardless of who he fights. He gets paid the same by his sponsors (assuming both fights are in the same slot on the card). Where is this money coming from?
First, I haven’t read the contract. It’s possible that Diaz earns a percentage as opposed to a flat rate.
Second, why do you think sponsorship would stay the same — it is almost certainly dependent on how many people are interested in the fight.
Faber, Florian, Diaz, 'Mayhem', Mousasi, Fedor
I seriously doubt Strikeforce pays Nick a percentage of the gate.
As far as sponsorships go, that is how they work. You get paid based on whether your fight is televised and it’s placement on the card.
a lot of fighters get a percentage of gate or other revenue. But even if he doesn’t, it still doesn’t make sense to duck this fight ’cause people will still want to see him defend his belt, regardless of what happens.
Also, he would be able to acquire additional sponsors (higher paying sponsors) in the lead up to the fight.
Faber, Florian, Diaz, 'Mayhem', Mousasi, Fedor
Your characterization of sponsorships is incorrect, or incomplete.
Selling one-off sponsorships for a mega-event is a hell of a lot easier for a manager. Dethrone (or whoever does his shirt, I forget) won’t pay him extra if he’s on a multi-fight contract already, but a win here would bring more to the negotiating table.
Not to mention that a lot of multi-fight contracts get far more complex than what you are talking about. What if a sponsor wants a photo shoot for a new web ad [based on the hype of this fight/win] but has already used all the appearances Nick is contracted for? They’d have to add supplemental pay for him to show up again.
And that’s not even considering paid appearances for parties or clubs. This isn’t something Diaz is likely to sell super well, but he could easily make thousands of dollars for a hosted post party at a major club.
Mayhem would monetize the additional media coverage much more effectively than Diaz could, so obviously he wants the fight. It’s supplemental income for all, especially the winner.
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Selling one-off sponsorships for a mega-event is a hell of a lot easier for a manager.
Would you classify this as a mega-event?
Hell, would you classify anything on Showtime as a mega-event?
When the only alternatives are Japan or smaller events on Showtime?
Yeah, it is. Or fine, poor word choice, the point is that they bring more to the table in negotiating due to a great amount of hype and buildup that can easily be monetized through multiple channels.
Mayhem has already re-appropriated the phrase “don’t be scared homie” to make any search for the phrase lead back to him. I can’t believe he isn’t selling shirts and other merch on his site based on this yet, but he’s already done SEO to increase awareness of his personal brand as well as drive social media numbers.
I’m not mmalogic telling you that you can get 6 figures a year selling acai berries online. This is how fighters get paid and even a mediocre manager could leverage this grudge match into additional cash. This fight and rivalry is worth more than the show/win money from Strikeforce.
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Just because you can't make 100k selling acai doesn't mean logic couldn't
He’s lost millions betting on fights.
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
added exposure comes added money. They are getting more exposure doing what they’re doing now than actually fighting.
Is upping the number on strikeforce from 300k to 600k going to make them millions?
it's gonna make them extra money...
but i don’t get your point — after diaz gets beat down, people are still going to be interested in a daley fight, that won’t change.
Faber, Florian, Diaz, 'Mayhem', Mousasi, Fedor
i respond to this above...
cmon — do you have any sort of imagination?
Faber, Florian, Diaz, 'Mayhem', Mousasi, Fedor
cmon — do you have any sort of imagination?
cmon – don’t you have any sort of tangible evidence or facts?
You are engaging in baseless speculation. I prefer not to.
The reality is, there is no reason to believe that this fight would pop with Showtime viewers any more than a typical Strikeforce show. Neither guy has a history of drawing eyeballs on the network, and the vast majority of fans don’t follow these behind the scenes blogs or videos about this silly little spat. Even if it did pop a huge number, Strikeforce doesn’t make any extra money off that. Neither would Nick or Mayhem.
Your assertions are not grounded in reality.
You talk as if you are in the know?
Are you really — I don’t think so.
All I know is that Miller’s show on MTV is very popular and that he will bring his fans to the fight. What more would you have of him? Does he need a paper belt to make you happy? These guys are fighters and people want to see this fight.
Personally, I don’t really give a shit. I really enjoy watching Diaz fight but fighting miller one on one is about as fair as miller fighting the caesar gracie crew by himself.
Faber, Florian, Diaz, 'Mayhem', Mousasi, Fedor
These guys are fighters and people want to see this fight.
Do they really?
Ask some of your friends who watch MMA but don’t follow it online. I bet you’ll get a lot of blank stares.
The truth is, online fans are a drop in the bucket of total viewership. What we want to see means fuck all in terms of ratings. We are going to be tuning in regardless of who they fight.
not true...
Daley is the only fight i’m really interested in. I’d watch mayhem/diaz only because I’m a big fan of both.
Diaz vs. nobody really doesn’t interest me. Maybe I’ll download it off of Pirate Bay.
Are you saying Bully Beat Down does bring anything to the table — I think you’re wrong.
Faber, Florian, Diaz, 'Mayhem', Mousasi, Fedor
is Diaz doing a fedor?
he thinks his record is that important? Does anyone really believe that Diaz is the best WW in the world — or even that close?
Give me a break!
Faber, Florian, Diaz, 'Mayhem', Mousasi, Fedor
Both Thiago Alves and Rumble
Cut down to 170 from Mayhems walk around weight.
Ask them if Mayhem is being a puss.
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by OptimusPiss on Dec 15, 2010 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
Mayhem appears to carry much less bodyfat than either guy,
but even so, there are few fighters who can safely cut over 15% of their weight like those guys do.
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by The American Ronin on Dec 15, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Fitness website maybe?
It was about his triathalon stuff.
"God bless....God."
Semper Fi'
Pain don't hurt...
Pretty sure
Mayhem said in the last podcast he did with Rogan that he was currently walking around at 210-212
Goldberg: "He's got him in some kind of strange choke I've never seen before!"
Rogan: "That's a rear naked choke."
That is a huge issue. Diaz could fight at his walking around weight and Miller will still have to drop for the 180 catch weight. Miller would be compromising. I feel like Nick maybe doesn’t want the fight.
Root for the home team jack ass
Diaz’s walk around weight is about 180.
If Miller isn’t willing to meet there, he is being unreasonable. Asking Nick to fight at a weight where he isn’t going to come anywhere near the weight limit is asinine.
I’d like to see a source on that.
If he is willing to fight at 180, I’m sure that could be worked out.
From what I remember, he originally said ‘catch-weight’, then amended that to 183, and now he is saying he wants to meet at 185.
Those are Kid Nate’s words, not Mayhem’s
Mayhem has never said he was willing to go to 180. He implied it when he said he would fight at the same weight as Shammy/Smith, but he has since backed off that number and has been steadily moving up the weight he wants to meet Diaz at.
yeah because the prinicple of talking shit with no regards to consquences is such an important character trait to develop lol
that is the kind of stuff that leads kids to flick off cops an inch from their faces and not expect a beating, or throw shit at tigers in the zoo. They think society and their own pussy standards will save them when really there is only a cou[ple rtules in regard to this:
dont talk shit to a crowd, and dont talk shit to someone bigger than you.
if you break those rules anything that happens to you is your own fucking fault.
Fuck yeah brah
Dudes talk shit they get dealt wit’ amirite? Fucking pussies – I love drinking jagerbombs and kicking ass.
BOOSH
by Farthammer on Dec 14, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Dis dude gets it ^
It's official. Les Miles DOES NOT have a deal with the devil. He beat him Nov. 6th, 24-21.
by DayGeaux on Dec 14, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
well i think we all know the answer to that.
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by the-gentle-way on Dec 14, 2010 4:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Jesus, Mayhem be careful.
Stockton is a bunch of sissies."
Diaz is one thing, but shiting on Stockton can get you shot by 10,000 some odd Stockton thugs.
I’ve been to Stockton many times……it’s fucking sketchy.
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Pain don't hurt...
I used to play soccer teams from there
It was basically a guaranteed fight.
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Call me crazy
But I don’t think Miller spends much time in Stockton.
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I’d call him crazy if he did.
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
by TheFilt on Dec 14, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
As a representative of the 209 I can guarantee Mayhem hasn't been to Downtown Stockton.
He would be walking home naked
by SilverNBlackZach! on Dec 14, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Curious as to this as well
"You should work for 15 minutes to knock your opponent out, submit him, or improve your position to give yourself the best chance of doing either." - Dan Hardy
Um...
he meant Miller would get robbed for everything he has, (car clothes jewelry). Was this not obvious?
If u want to see great fights, watch K-1.
If u want to see great wrestling, watch UFC.
Nope
Still don’t get it. Can you draw me a diagram?
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they enjoy naked men in down town stockton?
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by the-gentle-way on Dec 14, 2010 6:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
I bet Stockton could see Mayhems weiner for 5 bucks.
by Rufford on Dec 14, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That should’ve been blatantly obvious if you’ve ever read a comment with my name attached to it.
It's official. Les Miles DOES NOT have a deal with the devil. He beat him Nov. 6th, 24-21.
by DayGeaux on Dec 14, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
this is gold
i hope they never fight and just talk shit forever. i can’t see the fight matching the hype.
Starting to not care about this.
Either agree to fight or don’t.
by karmaportrait on Dec 14, 2010 4:53 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
It's better than the faux drama the UFC tries to drug up
They made a video game about Yakuzas. It’s called Yakuza. And it’s about Yakuza
lol, how, exactly?
because there won’t be a pay off?
This is getting old
Either sign the fight or don’t, the hype is getting tired
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Diaz fucked up by saying he'd fight at 185 on camera
Right then and there is when the fight should have been signed. Fact of the matter is, Mayhem is a bad matchup for Diaz, and they know it. Signing it at a catchweight gives him a way to try and gas Mayhem and win via superior cardio.
by CaliforniaCreamPuff on Dec 14, 2010 5:02 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Well said
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by The American Ronin on Dec 14, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
For those who don't know
“He will fight at higher weights. If something big came along, we would put him at light heavy. We would bulk him up a bit and let him fight the really big guys. I bet people would enjoy that. He’s a true old school fighter. He’s like the Gracie Jiu Jitsu guys from the old school. He will fight at any weight class. That’s the kind of fighter he is.”
- Caesar Gracie
Oh! and another
“You know, i would like to fight at 155 lbs. I would, i could make that weight. I can make 185, ya know, i’ll fight at that weight. Ya know, i just wanna be paid for it”
VI68IX
Just wanna be paid for it
And just don’t wanna fight any good wrestlers. At all. Ever.
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by Derek Suboticki on Dec 14, 2010 8:43 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Miller does have a point, Diaz fought at 180 and 182 did he not? I just think because its against someone who legitimately can challenge him and push his limits he won’t take it. Shamrock and Scott Smith were easy fights for him style wise but Mayhem is just as well rounded and can take a beating. Nothing for Nick to lose but you should expect to get called out after what happened
i can be real, but first can i ask a question?
isn’t the last time Miller fought at 175 in 2006 against Trigg?
by F'n Clownshoes on Dec 14, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
The difference is
Diaz is willing to jump up in weight if he thinks he’ll win, but unwilling if he doesn’t.
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by Derek Suboticki on Dec 14, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Or maybe
the champion could care less about moving up to fight a guy who’s last greatest defeat was…. oh wait. WHO?
Frank Shamrock was the champ, buddy. I just think it’s funny that people think anyone would move up in weight just to fight irrelevant Mayhem. Especially a champion
Remember... He didn't beat gomi it was a NC -- but let me say:
he didn’t beat gomi just like mayhem didn’t beat shields.
Faber, Florian, Diaz, 'Mayhem', Mousasi, Fedor
Wow. Um. Failing a drug test is not the same thing as not finished a choke in time.
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by Derek Suboticki on Dec 14, 2010 8:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
*finishing
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by Derek Suboticki on Dec 14, 2010 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
They are both rules that are silly IMO (no marijuana, and 5 minute rounds) Give him a 10 minute DREAM round and shields goes to sleep.
Faber, Florian, Diaz, 'Mayhem', Mousasi, Fedor
Well, he had a whole other three rounds to get that choke back, and instead he lost every single one.
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by Derek Suboticki on Dec 14, 2010 8:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He may have lost the round where he nearly choked Jake out. But that’s another silly aspect of the sport (the rediculous judging).
All I’m saying is that Diaz never beat Gomi (according to the letter of the law — something you think is important). But I watched the Miller Shields fight and Miller is a better fighter, just like Diaz is better than gomi.
Faber, Florian, Diaz, 'Mayhem', Mousasi, Fedor
I like Mayhem, man – I mean, he’s not in my sig, but I like him – but Jake was in trouble for about fifteen seconds out of 25 minutes. That’s 1%. The other 99% was his.
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by Derek Suboticki on Dec 14, 2010 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
Don't remember miller being in trouble...
Unless your talking about the judging again…
Faber, Florian, Diaz, 'Mayhem', Mousasi, Fedor
Position matters, man. That’s all I can say.
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by Derek Suboticki on Dec 14, 2010 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
why...
especially when you’re inept at capitalizing on it.
What you just said is the single biggest problem with the sport.
Faber, Florian, Diaz, 'Mayhem', Mousasi, Fedor
by mma_dude on Dec 14, 2010 8:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
People that can’t get off their backs are ruining MMA.
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by Derek Suboticki on Dec 14, 2010 8:49 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
See, I blame the guy in the submissive position.
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by Derek Suboticki on Dec 14, 2010 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
how is it submissive...
when you’re bitch slapping the guy on top and all he’s doing is laying there (current mma scoring)
Faber, Florian, Diaz, 'Mayhem', Mousasi, Fedor
Mousasi made king mo look like a pumpkin head...
and Mo gets the win because of position.
Faber, Florian, Diaz, 'Mayhem', Mousasi, Fedor
Well this is a bizarre argument
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lol
I’ll be honest, I had no idea how the two were connected until he went there. To each their own?
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by Derek Suboticki on Dec 14, 2010 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
Riggs
beat that stocktan ass.
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by Chris Barton on Dec 15, 2010 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
He moved up to fight the irrelevant Scott Smith right after Frank, whom was about as far from relevance going into that fight as you can imagine.
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by Derek Suboticki on Dec 14, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not saying Miller isn’t kind of full of shit here. I just think the idea that Diaz is super duper down to do this is contradicted by the past. Why did he never fight Jay Hieron, even after Jay beat Riggs (whom holds a win over Diaz)?
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by Derek Suboticki on Dec 14, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Whe did he ever
agree to fight Miller at 180?
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by The American Ronin on Dec 14, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
he didnt
People that have never cut weight think 178 and 180 are the same.
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by the-gentle-way on Dec 14, 2010 7:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Whut
Frank Shamrock got his arm broken by Cung Le, losing his oh-so-important Strikeforce middleweight title, then fought Nick Diaz and lost, then…retired.
Fighting a guy who was an amazing fighter years ago != fighting somebody relelvant.
Get rid of the ramp!
by ihateemo on Dec 14, 2010 9:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He's willing to take a reasonable risk...
Pretty sure Anderson is willing to go to heavy to fight Mir but not Brock. Does that make Andy a whuss?
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If he jumped Brock with the rest of Black House...
Talked shit about him, and tried to instigate backstage then told Brock he would only fight him if he cut down to 215? Probably.
The issue is not the weight for Diaz. Diaz’s mouth wrote a bigger check than he could cash and now he’s trying to use the weight as an excuse.
Is Miller taking advantage of this to play politics? Of course. But let’s not make Diaz out to be reasonable here. He talked a big game like a true wannabe gangster, then he’s trying to back out with excuses.
if brock talked shit about Nog Andy would offer to fight Brock too.
Believe that.
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by the-gentle-way on Dec 14, 2010 7:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
True that
Brock could talk shit about Andy, and he would laugh it off, but if it was about Nog or Lyoto, that is a whole different animal.
Say whatever you want about me, don’t really care, but bring my wife or kids into it…
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by The American Ronin on Dec 14, 2010 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
1.) Doubt he could anymore.
2.) Diaz has more recently fought at 182 than Miller’s sojourns at 175. I think 180 is fair, maybe 181.
3.) I have zero interest in this fight.
Diaz overweight?
180 is his actual weight. He would fight his best at 165 if there was a division.
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
thats not what cesar says.
He says that’s too small for him. He gets sick and gets infections that won’t heal when he fight lower than 170.
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by the-gentle-way on Dec 14, 2010 7:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He would know better than me
I always thought he looked his best at 160 against Gomi. I know 155 drained him. For what its worth, Nick’s said he’d fight at 155 again for the right price.
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
your right
fought as a LW at 160 and in the UFC he fought small WW like him who became LW’s later.
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
But not below 185
in over years.
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by The American Ronin on Dec 14, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
***in over years
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by The American Ronin on Dec 14, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
These quotes are over a week old!
Get it together, Nate! Everyone here listens to Bruce Buffer. And if they don’t, they should, because that guy is quite a character.
He a) has a very high opinion of himself b) agrees with everything everyone says c) has a story that tops every story that is offered and d) sent me an autographed pic on my birthday! (True story)
Not sure what that means
But he’s a fifty year old man talking about poker and threesomes. It’s goddamn entertaining.
No one put up the response?!
Well, here you go, Cesar responds to Miller with great fury: http://middleeasy.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3475:cesar-gracies-response-to-mayhem-miller-will-make-your-brain-explode&catid=36:fighters
DAMN, that's a tough reponse.
I agree though. Could you imagine Aaron simpson, or Bisping calling out GSP to move up and fight them at their weight class? If GSP moves up , it’s to fight Silva. Or someone relevant, a top contender.
Last time Diaz fought at 160, he weighed 169.5. And his last fight was against a lightweight.
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by Derek Suboticki on Dec 14, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
Stockton is for sissies?
If I was Miller if I seen a 72 Impala with hydraulics and low profile tires headed my way I would run for cover.
Root for the home team jack ass
Bunch of babies
Miller did get jumped, Diaz did get called out. Either make it happen or shut up already- Mayhem is a goofball but Diaz is running away from Miller like he’s on fire
by dex1 on Dec 14, 2010 5:23 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
LOL
mayhem’s record is soft! diaz fights nobody except top contenders…eh
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I'd love to
He has one win over a currently top 25 welterweight (according to USAT/SBN). If you can name the fighter and the year Diaz beat him, I’ll give you a cookie.
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by Derek Suboticki on Dec 14, 2010 6:10 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Miller faces plenty of top competition
He just loses to them.
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diaz
Win K.J. Noons Decision (Unanimous)
Win Hayato Sakurai Submission (Armbar)
Win Marius Zaromskis TKO (Punches)
Win Scott Smith Submission (Rear-Naked Choke)
Win Frank Shamrock TKO (Punches)
Win Thomas Denny TKO (Punches)
Win Muhsin Corbbrey TKO (Punches)
Win Katsuya Inoue TKO
Loss K.J. Noons TKO (Doctor Stoppage)
Win Mike Aina Decision (Split)
NC Takanori Gomi No Decision – Overturned by NSAC
Win Gleison Tibau TKO (Punches)
Win Josh Neer Submission (Kimura
Win Ray Steinbeiss Decision (Unanimous)
Loss Sean Sherk Decision (Unanimous)
Loss Joe Riggs Decision (Unanimous)
Loss Diego Sanchez Decision (Unanimous)
Win Koji Oishi KO (Punches)
by F'n Clownshoes on Dec 14, 2010 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
miller
Win Kazushi Sakuraba Submission (Arm-Triangle Choke)
Win Tim Stout TKO (Punches)
Loss Jake Shields Decision (Unanimous)
NC Ronaldo Souza NC (Cut from an Illegal Kick)
Win Kala Hose Submission (Rear-Naked Choke)
Loss Ronaldo Souza Decision (Unanimous)
Win Katsuyori Shibata TKO (Punches)
Win Tim Kennedy Decision (Unanimous)
Win Hiromitsu Miura Decision (Unanimous)
Win Hector Urbina TKO (Punches)
Loss Frank Trigg TKO (Soccer Kicks)
Win Robbie Lawler Submission (Arm-Triangle Choke)
Win Lodune Sincaid Submission (Rear-Naked Choke)
Win Stefan Gamlin Submission (Arm-Triangle Choke)
Win Falaniko Vitale Submission (Rear-Naked Choke) I
Win Mark Moreno Submission (Armbar)
Loss Georges St. Pierre Decision (Unanimous)
by F'n Clownshoes on Dec 14, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
At both their records?
Neither fighter has all that impressive a resume.
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ha.....um, ha?
Miller : 13-4-1(NC)
Diaz : 14-4-1 (NC)
W/ the exception of the Gomi fight (which I actually count as a win for Nick) both Miller and Diaz do dick against elite competition.
by F'n Clownshoes on Dec 14, 2010 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
Well, it's Strike force
It’s a second rate org, so let’s work with what we got. Gomi, Pride champ, was considered #1 lightweight when he lost to Nick Diaz.
Zarmaskus, Dream champ when he lost to diaz, and top ranked Japanese fighter.
Shamrock – I probably shouldn’t be mentioning him, but the guy was the Strikeforce champ not so long before this fight. Diaz is beating champions.
Sakurai – Bad ass veteren with a tough wins, and a recent victory over Aoki. That’s big.
And Diaz knocked out Lawler when he was top ranked, and one of the most dangerous welter weights in the UFC. Mayhem beat him when he wasn’t anymore.
No ones on Mayhems resume worth gloating about. Sakurabi was washed up, and lost his last 4 out of 6 fights..
Compared to UFC competition, it’s not saying too much, but Diaz is beating champions, and he is the champ. And i’m not talking about paper Hawaii belts that Mayhem got, then lost when he got knocked out cold by washed up Twinkle toes.
by barpower on Dec 14, 2010 7:05 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
dude, really?
How are you vastly more impressed by diazs record?
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by the-gentle-way on Dec 14, 2010 8:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
True, but
he lost in a title fight against Shields, and has a loss and an NC against the current MW champ Jacare who is one of the 3 best MWs in the world.
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by The American Ronin on Dec 15, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
to be quite honest
neither of them are impressive based on who they’ve recently fought, Diaz, or what they’ve been able to do against decent competition, Miller
by F'n Clownshoes on Dec 14, 2010 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
Yep.
The whole “Mayhem doesn’t deserve to fight Nick” argument is bunk. Then again, so is the “Nick is afraid of Mayhem” argument. Plenty of idiocy on both sides of this debate.
I just proved why it's not bunk
Mayhem does not deserve Nick, let alone deserves to be making demands. I compared their records fight by fight. And let’s be realistic, the only person Mayhem defeated in Strike Force is Tim Stout. TIM FUCKING STOUT, with a record of 10-10. Why does he deserve to fight Diaz again? I’d rather see Diaz and Daley. Not an Exhibition fight.
Thank you Sherdog.
fights from 2005 on, or the UFC part for them both.
by F'n Clownshoes on Dec 14, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
Since no one feels like answering it
2002. Chris Lytle.
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by Derek Suboticki on Dec 14, 2010 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
lol
ThAt was a good trivia qustion.
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by the-gentle-way on Dec 14, 2010 8:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i watched him
fight a relatively good fight against some dude named GSP in 2005, that’s when i noticed him. And since you didn’t answer my question for earlier I’ll ask again. When did Miller last fight at 175?
by F'n Clownshoes on Dec 14, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
The last time Miller fought at 170 was in 2005, as you mentioned. I will assume the "175" was in error.
by bigstupidsmile on Dec 14, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
Oh no, I'm in error. PARDON ME. The answer remains 2005.
by bigstupidsmile on Dec 14, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
i actually meant 170
i thought he fought Trigg in 2006 at an agreed upon weight of 175.
by F'n Clownshoes on Dec 14, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
Those are Kid Nate’s words, not Mayhem’s. Mayhem has never said he was willing to go to 180. He implied it when he said he would fight at the same weight as Shammy/Smith, but he has since backed off that number and has been steadily moving up the weight he wants to meet Diaz at.
If Mayhem really wants to fight he should just sign to fight at 178 and come in a little overweight, ooops ;)
Mayhem, like every pro fighter, fights for money.
He’s not going to intentionally piss away 20% of his purse.
Well, maybe if it ensures getting the doubling effect that comes with winning.
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by Derek Suboticki on Dec 14, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
i was thinkin that too but i figured he makes his money alot of different ways and 20% of his purse may be like 5% or even less of his total earnings from the fight, plus if he wants to beat nick’s ass, it’s a small price to pay
Nick would still have to agree to fight him overweight and Diaz is the kind of guy who just might tell him to F the hell off.
To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.
Considering
Nick came in 9 POUNDS OVER for a 160# fight, that would be weak…
Wouldn’t put it past him if he thought he would still get paid, which surely he wouldn’t.
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by The American Ronin on Dec 15, 2010 8:34 AM EST up reply actions
Diaz would have to accept the fight if mayhem came in over...
He wouldn’t!
Faber, Florian, Diaz, 'Mayhem', Mousasi, Fedor
This is getting to be about as old as the Fedor vs. Overeem argument. Either the fight happens or it doesn’t but Mayhem’s incessant bitching about Diaz fighting at 180 is just getting annoying. Make something happen one way or another but repeating the same thing over and over and over and over will only get you so far.
Diaz will sign for the fight if and only if they allow it to be a handicap match. So far at least that’s been the only time he has shown any interest at all in mixing it up with Miller.
by Empty Thoughts on Dec 14, 2010 5:47 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
If you were man enough to jump him
You should be man enough to fight him at his own weight class.
Any other argument is in support of bitchassness.
VI68IX
by rkilla on Dec 14, 2010 6:03 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
This line of reasoning is asinine.
If Mayhem was really interested in ‘revenge’ for the Nashville fiasco, he would have settled this backstage or accepted Diaz’s offer of a closed door ‘sparring match’ at the gym.
Mayhem doesn’t want revenge. He wants a payday. He wants a main event. He wants a televised professional fight. That is a whole different ball of wax than what happened in Nashville and has a completely different set of standards as to how things get done.
I agree with you, but...
accepted Diaz’s offer of a closed door ‘sparring match’ at the gym.
Probably not the best idea when dealing with people who will jump you even when it is televised.
Guillotine.
by iiowyn on Dec 14, 2010 6:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree, but let’s be honest … even if Diaz offered to meet at Mayhem’s gym, he still wouldn’t be interested. Mayhem is not interested in fighting Nick for free regardless of the circumstances. He is not interested in settling this beef with ‘street justice’. He wants a payday.
Pretending this is evening the score for Nashville is wantonly stupid. It’s about the almighty dollar.
Is it really asinine
to think that Diaz lost the right to make any special requests for this fight (should it ever happen) the second he landed that sucker punch?
VI68IX
Yes.
Look, I don’t approve of the Gracie team’s behavior in Nashville, but just because Nick did something stupid does not mean that he suddenly is required to start making retarded decisions in his chosen profession.
If Mayhem wanted payback, I’m sure he could get it backstage. But he’s not interested in payback. He’s interested in making some money and being in a main event rather than relegated to the prelims like he was in Nashville.
If Mayhem wants to settle this on a personal level, he can do so without negotiating, but if he wants to settle it on a professional level and make some money in the process, he is going to have to negotiate.
Ok, lets negotiate for
a weight that diaz is quoted as saying he’ll fight at if the money is right (I hate to use the same quote twice, but it’s quite the example of Nick Diaz chomping down on his Shimanos):
"You know, i would like to fight at 155 lbs. I would, i could make that weight. I can make 185, ya know, i’ll fight at that weight. Ya know, i just wanna be paid for it"
Ok, so the weight issue is solved, but he wants to make a payday. As you stated:
“He gets paid the same by Strikeforce regardless of who he fights. He gets paid the same by his sponsors (assuming both fights are in the same slot on the card)”
but according to what MMA agent Malki Kawa told WatchKalibRunt:
Fighters on a Strikeforce main card should expect to earn between $15,000 – $30,000 with main event competitors likely to earn more dependent on their star power.
I’d say both of these guys have more than enough star power, thus turning this fight into a FAT paycheck.
The money is there, as well as other motivational forces.
What is stopping Mr. Diaz?
VI68IX
What is stopping him is that he doesn’t want to give Mayhem any advantages that he doesn’t need to give him. Nick is in the strong negotiating position. He would be foolish to squander it by giving Mayhem everything he wants. Mayhem needs to give a little too.
This is silly
and it makes Diaz looks like he is dicktucking. When he uses weight as a reason not to fight Mayhem when he is on record saying he will fight at 185 he just looks terrible.
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by Chris Barton on Dec 15, 2010 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
I was thinking that Mayhem should go for the “be a man of your word” angle, and realized this beef really needs some Don Frye thrown in.
Guillotine.
this beef really needs some Don Frye thrown in.
Really, this is true of any and all disputes.
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by Chris Barton on Dec 15, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
well from what i am gathering Mayhem wants this fight way more. So he needs to man up and start dieting now. If the Pitbull and Anthony johnson can cut over 30 pounds then it is not out of the ? to have Mayhem lose 22 imho.
by J smooth 420 on Dec 15, 2010 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
Comparing fighters and their weightcuts...
Is just silly.
by Empty Thoughts on Dec 15, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Let it Go Homie
this is like a bad breakup, just move on to another fight there are plenty of other 185lb girlfriends
Who's the only one here who knows illegal ninja moves from the government?
It's pretty clear Diaz wants no part of Mayhem
you could draw a couple of conclusions as to why.
ND:“I’ll fight at 185!”
/jumps Mayhem
JM:“Okay come to 185 to fight me”
ND:“Ummmm… you go”
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
by Chris Barton on Dec 14, 2010 6:42 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
The difference is
Chael Sonnen earned his position to call out the champ.
I know that DIaz has said that he’ll fight in Middleweight, and that’s the main argument for Miller as far as Diaz contradicting himself. Miller doesn’t want to cut down to somewhere between Welterweight and Middleweight, 178 (with a one pound allowance), with his argument being that he killed himself cutting down to 170, and he said that he would do a catchweight of 183 (with a one pound allowance). Diaz hasn’t fought any higher than 180, and that seems to be his walking around weight. Unless they agree to say, a catchweight of 180, I don’t see a middle ground here. Personally, I thought that 178 was fair in that it is between the two weight divisions, but the argument there is that it is probably harder on Miller who has to cut a good amount of weight compared to Diaz who really doesn’t have to cut much if any weight at all.
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You do understand that cutting weight gives you an advantage in most cases, right?
Come fight time Miller is going to have between 10 to 20 pounds on Diaz.
Miller says that cutting down to 178 is too much for him and that may be the case, and I’m sure his body isn’t used to it, but he isn’t even going to attempt it. And it certainly isn’t impossible, both Anthony Johnson and Thiago Alves walk around 200+ and cut to 170.
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Come on man, I’ve been watching MMA long enough to know that, and that question implies that I’m some sort of MMA noob who doesn’t know anything about MMA. However, the fact is that no one except Miller can really tell you if cutting that much will drain him or not. Personally, I think that 178 is fair and with the one pound allowance, Miller can cut to 179, and I am really not in agreement with Miller’s arguments. The Overeem example he used was over-exaggerated, and while Diaz did say he’d fight at Middleweight, I do feel that Diaz may have been posturing with saying that and Miller should know that. The Diaz camp proposes a weight where they can meet halfway which seems fair, and Miller declines claiming he can’t cut that far down, however, he has cut to 184 as a Middleweight, so I don’t feel that cutting five more pounds is going to kill him that much at all especially since he’ll be the much bigger fighter come fight night.
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by chrisbboy82 on Dec 16, 2010 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
Miller went on to use the post fight “jumping” as the basis for a match with Nick Diaz. Our camp offered Miller a fight at any weight behind closed doors with Diaz if Miller was not able to move on from his issues with him. Miller has instead crusaded for a payday fight. Publicity stunt?
fighting for money is a publicity atunt??
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No saying you want to fight him because you were jumped and then not accepting to fight him at his gym, but continuing to say you want to fight him because you were jumped is a publicity stunt
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by OptimusPiss on Dec 15, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
Fighting for free is ridiculus if you could get paid instead…
by Empty Thoughts on Dec 15, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
Miller says he wants to fight him ecause he was jumped.
It should have nothing to do with money.
Thats why Ceasar Gracie is calling it a publicity stunt to say he wants the fight because of the Nashville Brawl.
If he wanted to fight Diaz because of the brawl he could have fought him backstage or at the Gracie gym. Mayhem declined both, so here we are still with him saying he wants to fight because of the brawl, it is a stunt to get hype around the fight, Miller doesn’t feel bad about getting beat up.
"If you want to watch stand up, go watch K-1"
And if you want to watch wrestling....... go watch wrestling.......
It doesn’t have to be mutually exclusive…
Miller wants to fight him because of the brawl. Miller wants to get paid for fighting. Miller wants to get paid for fighting Diaz because of the brawl.
See how that works?
by Empty Thoughts on Dec 15, 2010 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
Clearly money is more important to him then getting revenge for the jumping.
Hence him not fighting him out of the ring. And still bitching about getting revenge for it.
See how that works?
"If you want to watch stand up, go watch K-1"
And if you want to watch wrestling....... go watch wrestling.......
Did you read your comment?
Miller gets jumped by Nicks gym, then they offer Miller to fight at HIS gym behind closed doors. That’s crazy, these guys jumped you, why would you go to their gym to fight? This isn’t a freaking Bruce Lee movie.
by SpinningFistback on Dec 15, 2010 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
And what do you say about nick trying to fight him back stage?
Or were all of his homies there too?
"If you want to watch stand up, go watch K-1"
And if you want to watch wrestling....... go watch wrestling.......
Yeah like Mayhem wasn't allowed to bring his friends incase this happened.
"If you want to watch stand up, go watch K-1"
And if you want to watch wrestling....... go watch wrestling.......
It’s still a dumb idea. I bring a bunch of my friends, you bring a bunch of yours. We’ll have an unsanctioned fight that could possibly just turn into one huge brawl. It’s not smart.
by SpinningFistback on Dec 16, 2010 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
The only thing I want to hear Nick or Mayhem say is.....
“Where is the contract? I’m ready to sign now, whatever weight, doesn’t matter.”
Aw shit.
Shields to respond, “I’m on to bigger & better fights like always. I mean ur last real win was when you beat up your girlfriend and got arrested”
"If you want to watch stand up, go watch K-1"
And if you want to watch wrestling....... go watch wrestling.......
This fight does nothing for Diaz....
Diaz beats Mayhem, NOW HE CAN FIGHT THE GOOD WWs OF STRIKEFORCE!! Oh wait he is already champion of his weight class.
This is just halfassing on Mayhems part. Mayhem beats Diaz. NOW HE CAN BE CONSIDERED A CONTENDER AT MW!!!
He is really just trying way too hard to get this fight instead of fighting someone relevant within his own weight class. Scared homie?
"If you want to watch stand up, go watch K-1"
And if you want to watch wrestling....... go watch wrestling.......
You do realize that
in the 5+ years since he lost to GSP at WW, he is 12-3 at MW, with a title fight loss to Trigg (in Icon, under PRIDE rules), a title fight loss to Shields, and a loss to the current SF MW champ and one of the 3 best MWs in the world (Jacare)?
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by The American Ronin on Dec 15, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not saying miller is bad by any means.
Its just that after you beat up the the empty shell of Sakuraba you aren’t going to get a title shot.
And I don;t want to compare records, there is too much to argue about. They are in different weight classes and the level of their competition is up for argument.
"If you want to watch stand up, go watch K-1"
And if you want to watch wrestling....... go watch wrestling.......
to add to that
Beating Diaz still wouldn’t get him a MW title shot, and if it does, it would need to be an impressive win.
"If you want to watch stand up, go watch K-1"
And if you want to watch wrestling....... go watch wrestling.......
Bottom line for me:
Both guys are fun to watch and are excellent and exciting fighters, both are nearly impossible to finish, and although neither have beaten the best of the best, I would love to see this fight happen…
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Dec 15, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
marketing
I think they are both good at marketing and fighting like a divorced couple over nothing. I mean look at the difference at the table right now. Mayhem says 180 or above (prefers middleweight). Diaz says 178 with a 1 lb allowance (prefers 170). Whats the big deal of one lb. They are just trying to say they won the negotiation but the problem here is the fans are the ones losing. Just sign the deal and get it on. I mean BJ’s fought Machida before out of sport let a lone a beef. If these guys were that tough this would’ve already happened.
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