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Japanese TV is not Dy-no-Mite.

 

 

There are things you need to know to understand the K-1 Dynamite television situation in Japan.  But before I explain them I should state that most things don’t just have one cause and that Japan, despite it flirting with its own desire to be, is not a monolith.  What is true of how some things work in Japan is not a truism about Japan itself, necessarily.

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With that out of the way let me start at the basest level of social commentary; Japan only stopped being a feudal society about 150 years ago.  That may or may not mean anything.  Just like America having experienced legal slavery may or may not reflect on society now.  I’ll leave that judgment up to you.  How does this past structure effect TV, and more specifically, how does it effect the K-1/Dream situation?  Japanese businesses in general, and media in this conversation, are top down enterprises.  This is the crux of the misinterpretation of the situation in the Western press: Whether kakutogi is in boom or in bust is the product of an arbitrary cycling of the ever changing taste of the masses.  While, on the whole, that is true, the force behind that swirling fickleness does not rise up from the citizenry, rather it is generated by the bosses and the decision makers who decide what they are going to put into the popularity cycle. 

Let me relay an anecdote.  When I was a college exchange student in Osaka, I stayed up one night with my host mother watching the Major League team of all-stars led by Sammy Sosa play the exciting final game of their Japan tour.  As the game entered the 9th inning and one of the teams, it is hard to remember which now, began threatening a thrilling comeback, NHK cut away to the nightly news.  I thought something major had occurred.  An earthquake or a tidal wave; something very Japanese.  An accident maybe or a missing child; an incident that demanded immediate attention.  However, I would be disappointed.  The game was preempted, the dramatic conclusion avoided for what?  Footage of a traffic jam and an eyewitness to someone yelling at a shopkeeper at best.  Some stock quotes maybe.  As I slowly exploded, visualizing the game that I was not actually seeing, I began to harangue my host mother.  “Why is this happening?  Surely someone made a mistake!  Heads will roll.”  She laughed tolerantly and gave me some sage wisdom, “When it is 10 o’clock, NHK shows the news.  No matter what.”

Why do they take this approach?  It can’t be due to viewer demand.  I hardly believe there was an outcry for news over baseball.  And if there had been who would have listened to that outcry and addressed it in the middle of the broadcast?  No, Japanese companies are old trains running on even older tracks.  To stop them or, heaven forbid, adjust their course, would take Herculean effort, bordering on revolution.

So, when the subject of why kakutogi is on the downturn in Japan is broached, I can assure you that while one of the effects is that interest is down among the public,  that is not the real cause.

Allow me to explain a little further.  While there is cable television in Japan it is not as popular or nearly as widespread as in the US.  There isn’t a ton of programming on it.  Almost the entire population of Japan is watching TV every night and they are choosing from about four or five channels.  Most evenings on these channels the same group of people pop up on various variety shows.  This group of people are the people that are famous in Japan right now.  Some of them have been on for decades, some will only be around for a few months.  The flavor of this season is oddball war photographer Yuichi Watanabe.  He is omnipresent at the moment, but no one is making bets on his fame going deep into the new year.  Who gets to appear on these shows is fairly tightly controlled by management systems and television producers.  Someone may gain some notoriety outside of the system that compels producers to seek them out, but no one organically just shows up on the chat circuit.

How does this apply to our conversation?  In the Pride days, there was a large overlap between the kakutogi world and the chat show world.  Takada was, and still is, a regular on the circuit.  Inoki was huge in that world, which helped him hype his own promotions and fighters.  Genki Sudo comes and goes, as do Masato and Kid Yamamoto.  Lately, boxer Daisuke Naito has been fairly regular.  It would be hard for me to overemphasize that the conversation happening on these, to me asinine, talk shows is THE national conversation.  What happens on a Wednesday night show is what is talked about all day Thursday.  The opinions expressed are the opinions adopted.  If you begin to hear a truism echoed from all corners, it was surely said on a TV program earlier in the week.

It is hard to understand how thoroughly ubiquitous television personalities become in Japan if you haven’t seen it for yourself.  Imagine turning on Sports Center and Clay Guida is giving his opinion on the NFL playoff picture.  After this you switch over to Top Chef and Clay Guida is judging the contestant’s soufflés.  As you take a bath, you can hear Clay Guida talking about how sad the violence in Korea is.  As you brush your teeth and get ready for bed, Clay Guida is on a quiz show team made up of pro-fighters vs. weathermen.  The next day, going through your normal life, inexplicably, the thought pops into your head, “I wonder what Clay Guida thinks about my lunch?”  Obviously you will have to watch his next fight. 

This is not an exaggeration.  Beat Takeshi gives the nightly news here.  Sunday morning a news program commissioned a failed model to give her interpretation of Yakuza entanglements. 

After the fall of Pride, this traveling circus moved on and its spotlight shifted away.  There has never been a spot for Shinya Aoki or Akio Nishiura on national television.  No one wonders, “What does Aoki think about the economy?”  No one looks forward to Wicky’s jokes.  No one wonders, “When is their next fight.”  There is no faint echo of the push behind kakutogi that drove millions to K-1 Dynamite in the past.  No one from this family of stars has a real stake in it.  If you are wondering why Inoki is being suddenly shoved out as the face of Dynamite this year, I would wager that that is why.  The public needs some known interest in it.  Kakutogi fans are already curious.  They wonder where the fight world went.  Why it seemed to dry up overnight.  Not a week goes by that I am not told with all sincerity, “Yes, but it isn’t on TV.”  Or, “You say Aoki is one of the best in Japan, but I haven’t ever seen him.  He can’t be that good.” 

I wouldn’t argue that the ratings are in decline.  I wouldn’t argue that those statistics indicate a public indifference. However this is not an indifference that sprung from itself; it is the indifference of neglect.  A direct neglect by the old men in suits  who make the decisions at the networks and don’t ever deign to put an ear to the ground and listen to what is actually going on.

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Fascinating stuff. I’ll have to rec’d this when I get home. Do you think there’s any chance of a promotion turning to the hardcore fans only to make money with ppv? Or is ppv completely out of the question? I know they offer it now but I don’t have a clue if it makes even a yen.

And what would you say the UFC’s chances are of being part of this all-important tv cycle?

Well, at least I now understand why my Japanese friends dislike Takeshi Kitano.

by John Nash on Dec 14, 2010 3:02 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Takeshi’s Castle? Come on.

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by timetraveltome on Dec 14, 2010 3:21 AM EST up reply actions  

A magnificent show to be sure.

When a ball goes into a net, it only means something because we decide it means something. When somebody punches somebody in the face it always means something.

by lowellthehammer on Dec 14, 2010 8:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Imagine Brock on Japanese TV.

They see me rollin...

by spectaa on Dec 14, 2010 5:46 AM EST up reply actions  

KNOWLEDGE

This needs to be rec’d to the living death.

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by Martial Farts on Dec 14, 2010 4:45 AM EST reply actions  

It’s sounds like the only way to watch this stuff in Japan is to go to the arena — the production value seems to be higher for the fan in attendance at Japanese shows.

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by mma_dude on Dec 14, 2010 9:17 AM EST reply actions  

yes yes yes

Thanks for articulating this. I never would have been able to put this together. I also feel like this could tip over at any time, where some fighting personality takes the country by storm, and MMA is huge again.

Use more judges.

by MasonA on Dec 14, 2010 9:25 AM EST reply actions  

The crux of the article seems to imply the opposite though

That no fighting personality even has a chance to make a difference without “the powers that be” deciding to make him a star.

by Chortles on Dec 14, 2010 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

It's a good news/bad news thing-

popular demand driving the market is a fickle thing, it would be hard to gauge when if ever the public would turn to the sport en masse again.

Having a small group of television stations driving the trends means a comeback for JMMA could be possible at any instant. At the same time this small group may not be moved to book mixed martial artists anytime soon. They could be just as fickle, only the reason for JMMA’s lack of return would be much more painfully obvious.

by Balrog on Dec 15, 2010 8:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Crap I have to go drive to Tennessee

But this is already rec’worthy based on the 1st two paragraphs. This will be a good read for when I get back.

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by Damon O. on Dec 14, 2010 10:22 AM EST reply actions  

I challenge you

to a game of Horseshoes. A game of HORRRRSESHOOOOOES

BOOSH

by Farthammer on Dec 14, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Great stuff

I had always assumed that cable TV was as pervasive in the Japanese market as it is in the American market. The fact that people are only watching about a half-dozen channels really puts some of those crazy ratings numbers we have seen in perspective. They’re basically 25 years behind the curve by American standards.

by Steve4192 on Dec 14, 2010 10:43 AM EST reply actions  

really good post

thanks for explaining!

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by Nate Wilcox on Dec 14, 2010 11:04 AM EST reply actions  

This is good stuff.

The first time I’d ever seen or heard of Bobb Sapp was in 2005 on a trip to Japan. I saw him on a variety show, and couldn’t figure out what the hell he was doing there, as I didn’t watch MMA and don’t speak Japanese. I had to google him when I got back to the States.

Seems to me many Asian cultures prize these shows. I’ve seen Korean ones, Chinese ones and of course Japanese ones. Not my thing, really.

by E_liminatorjr on Dec 14, 2010 1:51 PM EST reply actions  

That was really, really good. Thank you for the insight.

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by Tim Burke on Dec 14, 2010 1:54 PM EST reply actions  

Thank you

This explains so god damn much.

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by crazybones on Dec 14, 2010 5:56 PM EST reply actions  

It's makes' you think, if there was no Sapp

How BIG would Rampage have been in Japan, he was a major crowd pleaser in the pride years. This also reminds of some dumb stereotype moniker I had going on with my friends in middle, that the Japanese love black people because they were a small minority.(Being Black Myself) But I outgrew that.

by Blacklegend on Dec 14, 2010 9:02 PM EST reply actions  

Rampage was fairly big

But Bob Sapp had the advantage of being freakishly big, and willing to sell himself at every opportunity. Not that Rampage was ever bad at promotion, but I think in the end he was more dedicated to fighting. Sadly, I think that black fighters get play in Japan for far less noble reasons (on Japan’s part), but I’ll save that thought for another day.

by Tatamiburns on Dec 15, 2010 11:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for all of the positive feedback.

I really appreciate it, and I hope that I did an okay job of explaining the Japanese media system as I see it. I should say that my experience is limited to working in radio in Japan for a while and now teaching in a very large junior high that provides me with a general understanding of the zietgeist. This shouldn’t, however, be mistaken for actual research. Which I would gladly do if I had the time, but you know how that goes.

To answer some of the questions asked above:

I am not sure if PPV has ever been a particularly viable option in Japan. I know SkyPerfect offers PPV. I can’t find any hard number for SkyPerfect subscribers. PPV is not a huge part of the general culture here. Japanese boxers usually fight on Japanese network TV. I don’t really see PPV being a large-scale option, but that could change. I don’t know if the hard-core base is enough to drive it. Most people who seek out fights just wait a day or so and find them on the internet.

As to the UFC’s ability to penetrate the market, that is a hard one. I have thought about it a lot, but I am not sure how it would work. It would seem to me that the UFC would have to give up too many of the things that it has been reticent to give up. I don’t think that it could just step in and run its show and have that be shown on TV in Japan. It would involve a large amount of back door deals and favors called in and connections made. Even then, I am not sure that television would want to bend over backwards for a foreign company.

Could a UFC fighter be a hit on Japanese TV? Maybe. But the issue would be, if UFC fights aren’t on TV in Japan where would the public know this person from? It could be worked, but it would require a lot of effort and a large personality and well connected management, and a strong desire from the producers. How does that all line up? Another quick analogy: I am an Atlanta Braves fan. Through all the years that the Braves were winning the NL East and sometimes the pennant, when I was asked what team I liked and responded, “The Atlanta Braves” I would be met with blank stares and doubt. Does that team really exist? How could we know? No one, surely, has ever heard of them. Then the Braves aquired Kenshin Kawakami and I started seeing Braves hats pop up here and there, and people seemed to accept that the team did, indeed, exist. So, with someone like Yamamoto Kid, who is very famous, going to the UFC, could it raise their profile? Certainly. But the UFC isn’t a league, and there is no real point of reference for people. Omigawa, sadly, gets no traction here. Also, how are Japanese fans going to watch Yamamoto’s fights? If the UFC can get all of this connected in the rights ways, things could blow up and the UFC could get big, but there are so many, many variables, and Japan is so resistent to anything that isn’t part of its national solipsism.
 Satoru Ishii might be a good place to start. But the UFC, to its credit, cares about things like whether the fighter is competitive or not. The storylines are generally about a guy moving up through the ranks to fight an established champion. The Japanese public at large are hungry for morality plays that tell them that Japanese fighters often lose to big, strong foreigners, but they put up a valiant effort. We often look back on PRIDE as a series of great fights with some freak shows thrown in, but those freak shows were what drove the interest that allowed space to have great fighters fight.
I am absolutely sure that there is a huge public interest here in kakutogi and a desire to see it on TV. I just don’t know how that is going to manifest itself going down the road.

by Tatamiburns on Dec 14, 2010 10:30 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

re: morality plays

Yeah, that’s pretty much the story of traditional ‘young lions’ in pro wrestling among the (former) big three too.

by Chortles on Dec 15, 2010 3:37 AM EST up reply actions  

 Iwas lucky enough to live in Japan in the years before Pride collapsed. I had two TVs connected on a couple of New Years Eves and let all the kakutougi goodness wash over me. It was amazing.

I would also get excited whenever a fighter appeared on a gameshow or talk show, which used to happen a lot more often. I remember seeing Sakuraba armbar someone from Downtown or something on national TV, that was great.

Now, not so much. I think it will take a shrewd manager to insert one of their stable of fighters into the gameshow / talkshow circuit. Ishii popped up a few times, right? They like him because he is crazy and says dumb stuff all the time. But he also pissed off a lot of the old guard (old men in suits) with his departure from Judo.

J-MMA needs a huge amount of things happening at the same time for it to recapture its past glory… A few big personalities, a well-connected manager, a receptive public, and all the financial and structural stuff behind it…

Anyway thanks for the post, it was very well articulated.

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by Martial Farts on Dec 15, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks.

I appreciate anyone with the surname “Farts.” Yes, those were heady days when everyone would bust out the dual TV set-up for New Years. I remember not being able to wait all day and everyone getting together around 5 to start drinking in preperation.

by Tatamiburns on Dec 15, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d love to see Minowaman do the weather

by DirtyML on Dec 14, 2010 10:40 PM EST reply actions  

This is why BE is top dog. This shit right here. Thanks.

by Menime on Dec 15, 2010 12:40 AM EST reply actions  

When I was staying in Japan for a summer with my Dad...

I wondered why there were at least 3 variety shows going on almost every night.

Good read.

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by Tonley on Dec 15, 2010 3:28 AM EST reply actions  

This is a very well written and interesting article. (I wrote article without even thinking about it. I guess fan post is the technically correct description, but it feels like an article to me, so that’s what I’m calling it.)

This sheds a great deal of light on why some Japanese fighters are pushed to progress so fast. If they could find their way onto the talk show circuit and become the new face of JMMA, they could potentially lead a comeback in the sport’s popularity. While taking the long view approach on someone like Satoshi Ishii is probably the smart thing for his career and easy to recommend as an objective and uninvolved outsider, I could understand the incredible pressure to produce a new star for the networks that would have every party involved chomping at the bit.

by Balrog on Dec 15, 2010 8:20 AM EST reply actions  

fascinating read. thank you.
and this clay guida example makes it sound really really weird.

by Tyrion on Dec 16, 2010 7:20 AM EST reply actions  

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