Koscheck Trainer: 'Josh Fought Crappy' Against St. Pierre at UFC 124
by Nate Wilcox on Dec 13, 2010 10:07 PM EST
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Coaches in MMA, as in all professional sports tend to talk in 'coach-speak' -- cliches strung together to make bland, meaningless sentences. Javier Mendez of the American Kickboxing Academy is a rare exception. He spoke to MMA Junkie about his fighter Josh Koscheck's performance at UFC 124 against Georges St. Pierre:
"Josh fought crappy," he said. "He knows it. If we told him he fought great, we'd be lying. He didn't do anything what he was supposed to do, and at the same time, Georges did.
"Josh is similar to what I was like. I never did what my coaches wanted to do; I did what I wanted to do. Some people like to guide themselves, and others like people guiding them. Let's not discount the fact that GSP is a great fighter."
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After the 1st round he acted like he didn’t want to be there. I was expecting more bravado instead of resigning himslef to his fate.
Your beliefs become your reality.
by Hardy's in your face on Dec 13, 2010 10:16 PM EST reply actions
All I can say:
Somewhere between round 1 and 2, I personally would have been crying, leaving the cage, and asking for morphine.
by judonerd on Dec 14, 2010 1:17 AM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Dana White asks, “Do you want to be a fucking fighter?”
Koscheck is tough as hell though. He should’ve stuck to the gameplan though. He got hurt right in the 1st but he should’ve been going for the takedown right away.
That wasn't the gameplan.
You don’t go for takedowns on GSP, not after he’s monstered wrestlers (including you) for years on the ground.
Koscheck’s gameplan was to catch him with the big right hook. It was, realistically, his only shot.
But GSP’s gameplan was better.
Koscheck has frosted tips.
Kos showed better pure wrestling in that fight, though.
Controlled GSP better than GSP controlled him, stuffed most of GSP’s TDs and never stayed down.
Koscheck didn’t look any different in this fight than he has in the past. He’s always been a scrappy wrestler with exceptional physical gifts with a slightly less prominent technical arsenal. It sounds like Javier Mendez doesn’t mind throwing his fighters under the bus.
I don't think this is throwing Kos under the bus at all.
Koscheck seems like a guy who will thrive on negative feedback for motivation. He’s got a huge ego, believes he’s the best at anything he wants to be the best at, and coaches affirming that won’t help. Coaches saying “You’re supposed to be better than the piece of shit performance you put on. Seriously man. You just fucked it up. You got shit to work on.” could be just what he needs. I expect a serious, determined, winning Josh Koscheck after this. He’s always come back strong from losses (sub Ansar Chalangov, TKO Hazelett, TKO Yoshida, TKO Trigg) and I wouldn’t want to be his next opponent.
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I guess I didn’t look at it from that angle. I saw attempting to distance the Koscheck loss from his gym. He almost goes out their and says it.
He didn’t do anything what he was supposed to do, and at the same time, Georges did.
Regardless, I think you are correct. Kos is gonna come back a mean son of a bitch.
I thrive on negative motivation, so I might just bee looking for the same in others.
Back when I was doing competitive wall climbing, I was always at my best when there were people supposedly better than me around. My train of thought went “Fuck that. I’m better than them. What makes them better than me? Hitting that route? Fuck you, I’ll do it, do it better, and then we’ll see who’s the goddamn best!”
When people did routes I couldn’t, I would spend the next week drilling just whatever they did better than me. If I wasn’t flexible enough, I’d focus on stretches. I’d hit the weight room if I wasn’t strong enough to hit a dyno yet. And my coach would curse at me and tell me I sucked the whole time, because she knew that I could turn anger into determination.
Some people are fucked up like that. Koscheck has the ego which makes me think the same thing would work on him. He’s probably thinking ‘GSP was better at something? Fuck GSP, I’m Josh Koscheck, and Josh Koscheck is the goddamn best. I’ll show you who [jabs, follows gameplans, uses lateral movement] best!’
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by pdl on Dec 13, 2010 11:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I used to play every sport with a HUGE chip on my shoulder
I always felt overlooked or overshadowed by the coach or other guys on the team. I always guarded the best player on the court(if he wasn’t too tall). I wanted the challenge. Just to prove I could.
On one hand, I almost always rose to the level of my competition. On the other, I would get way too intense and start playing super physical. In basketball, I’d get in fights or start show boating every now and then, coach would sit me down before I got too heated. In football, as a small corner back, I would try to hit everyone as hard as possible. I’m talking full out rage, like I literally hated the other team. I don’t know why I was so mad, but my coaches loved that shit. Everyone used to joke about how my eyes got big before I hit someone. In retrospect, it probably wasn’t healthy. It was hard to read plays when I was psyched up and sometimes I got rocked myself. If we lost, I would be fixated on it for hours afterword.
It sounds terrible, but that kind of anger/adrenaline pump used to fuel practically every work out and practice. It feels like you’re high on something, the energy and focus. I listened to R and B while I work out now, so I guess I’m cooling down. Thank god.
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
I think this line summed up his real feelings:
Josh is similar to what I was like. I never did what my coaches wanted to do; I did what I wanted to do.
Not meant as throwing him under the bus.
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by The American Ronin on Dec 14, 2010 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
Let’s not discount the fact that Koscheck spent most of the fight with a broken face and there really should have been a medical stopage.
by ChrisBat on Dec 13, 2010 10:20 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Koscheck didn't listen to his corner or impliment his game plan.
The frustration of his coaches is palpable. It’s maybe unfair though as I am sure comparisons to the golden child Cain are abounding internally.
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Did he just say that Koschek not following the gameplan reminded him of HIMSELF not following the gameplan when he used to fight?
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by Cory Braiterman on Dec 13, 2010 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
STOP THE PRESSES!
No but seriously a whole article about something summed up in the title? _
by mike1981j on Dec 13, 2010 10:27 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
A whole article? It’s one paragraph and the quote.
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by Ubernoober on Dec 14, 2010 7:18 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
tough love?
just throwing that out there, not under the bus.
Maybe you coached crappy.
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by Earl Montclair on Dec 13, 2010 10:46 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
you’re right, I’m sure his between round advice was “keep eating jabs, and make sure your striking is predictable.”
by Hendo_One-Shot on Dec 14, 2010 12:18 AM EST up reply actions 8 recs
seems like his advice during the whole training camp.
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by Earl Montclair on Dec 14, 2010 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
Koscheck had success in wrestling. He took GSP down at the end of the first and was able to defend GSPs takedowns pretty well throughout the fight. GSP wasn’t able to land any ground and pound for the first time in awhile. I was imprezzed. Then towards the end of the fight Kos had a couple double leg attempts that were just god awful. But nullifying Georges’s wrestling was pretty damn impressive considering no other fighter has been able to.
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by ChiCubs23 on Dec 13, 2010 10:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions
So other then the fact that he lost every second of every round, and was really only able to complete one takedown in 5 rounds, and suffered one of the biggest all-time housings in the stand up of all time……he was awesome?
I wouldn't go that far
he did win for a brief period of time, Koscheck did manage to get one take down, thats gotta count for something right?
It was pretty impressive
GSP, for the first time in a long time, didn’t look overwhelmingly good everywhere in a while. Koscheck got the wrestling game to about even terms IMO. But wrestling won’t prepare you for stiff jabs.
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by Disco-Platypus on Dec 14, 2010 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
I firmly believe GSP could’ve kept going for takedowns and get his fair share of them… but why do that when you’re facing a limited striker with screwed up perspective due to a closed eye?
Most of those came after the eye was shut
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by S.C. Michaelson on Dec 14, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
Sure, but as the eye got worse, why continue taking risks and going for takedowns? Every time GSP goes for a takedown, it opens the door for an uppercut by Koscheck. It was clear Koscheck was hoping for the chance to land his power right hand… why would GSP give Koscheck that chance on a silver platter?
don't get me wrong
Kos looked much better this time around, and pretty much stopped GSP’s wrestling, but to say he lost every second of that fight is not totally correct. That was the only point I was trying to make.
Once his eye was swollen shut
He lost all depth perception and had to know he couldn’t shoot for shit and would look foolish trying (which I think actually mattered to the former D-1 champ).
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by The American Ronin on Dec 14, 2010 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
He looked like he was chasing the wind
on his last few kicks and TD attempts.
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
Gotta give props where due
That took some BIG BALLS to continue in a lost cause, when every subsequent jab had to cause immense pain and knowing in the back of your mind how messed up you might actually be.
Having said that, both the ring doctor and Josh’s corner screwed the pooch on this one by letting it go so long…
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by The American Ronin on Dec 14, 2010 1:41 AM EST up reply actions
As do I, but
it is not realistic to expect a pro MMA fighter to put his future health above the battle in front of him. That is what the ringside doc and the fighter’s corner are for. Theoretically at least…
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by The American Ronin on Dec 14, 2010 1:54 AM EST up reply actions
Didn’t he tell him to throw the uppercut? Or was it Greg Jackson that talked about it?
They see me rollin...
Probably part of what he's talking about
Yes, he (or another cornerman) told him to use the uppercut. He tried it once more, missed and never threw it again the rest of the fight. Jackson was in GSP’s corner.
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by Cory Braiterman on Dec 13, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
What spectaa meant i think was that Jackson told GSP to watch for and avoid the uppercut after round 1 or 2.
"Who are you and how the hell did you get in here?"
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You can't throw an uppercut from outside.
And he couldn’t get inside without having his eye poked.
Koscheck has frosted tips.
Didn’t he tell him to throw the uppercut? Or was it Greg Jackson that talked about it?
Both, IIRC.
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by Drunken cutman on Dec 14, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe more coaches should publicly criticize their fighters.
If their is a game plans that fighters don’t or choose not to follow to win, then how can they ever hope to become future champions?
by devious1 on Dec 13, 2010 10:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions
It didn't look like the KOS we've seen.
He kept pulling at his shorts in the first two rounds too.
Who knows?
Maybe he just choked mentally.
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Gameplans can go out the window quickly
When u get your face smashed in.
by Bloodsport on Dec 13, 2010 11:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
As Mike Tyson said...
“Everyone’s got a plan until you get punched in the face.”
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by duck on Dec 14, 2010 8:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Or maybe
He was fighting the best mixed martial artist in the world.
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by Neil Manich on Dec 14, 2010 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
He was scared going in.
You could see it in his eyes. You could see it at the weigh-ins. The bravado was gone and the realization that he’d talked himself into a bad scene was right there up front.
If he lost, he’d look like an asshole for talking so much crap over the last six months, and if he won, Bell Centre would likely have been a riot scene.
Then the fight started and GSP busted his eye. Then GSP Hulk-smashed his lead leg.
So where do you go from there? Your supposedly dangerous right hook is negated, and your leg won’t let you shoot in, and your coach is calling for uppercuts and takedowns when you’re unable to get inside and 23,000 people are yelling “GSP! GSP!” – and you have four rounds of this to go.
Koscheck had no chance of winning. It was just a case of how bad he was going to lose.
Koscheck has frosted tips.
THIS!
he didn’t have his nerve from the very beginning of the fight. he was focusing on neutralizing GSP’s wrestling … I think he had it in his mind that if he could just keep GSP from holding him down, he would win the fight. Regardless of this, he really didn’t bring his A-game or his aggression .. he looked overwhelmed by the bright lights even before that jab busted his eye.
To credit Koscheck, he did manage to largely nullify GSP’s wrestling game … he got back to his feet quickly after the first takedown, stuffed 2 takedowns handily, and later in the fight, managed to get back to his feet quickly again after every takedown. He proved, if nothing else, that GSP’s wrestling is not unstoppable.
However, he also showed zero ability to adjust. I mean he DID successfully land a takedown in the first round, but he didn’t make another full-throttle takedown attempt for the rest of the fight, just a couple of half-hearted ones.
Well, GSP still landed almost 50% of his takedown attempts… it’s not like Koscheck completely frustrated GSP with his takedown defense… GSP simply realized he was wasting too much energy going for takedowns and concentrated on kicking Koscheck’s ass standing instead.
GSP completed 44% of his TD's, Kos completed 25%.
GSP couldn’t hold Kos down at all. Kos attempted his last three failed TD’s after his eye was busted up.
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
GSP got more takedowns in this fight (4/9) than he did the first time he met Koscheck (2/2). Koscheck got 1/4 in both fights.
Saying Koscheck did much better this time around in the wrestling department really is grasping at straws to find anything positive in his performance saturday night.
I didn't say that.
But obviously he did, because he got back to his feet with no problem this time. In their first fight, GSP was controlling him on the ground for minutes at a time,
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
When someone lets you up..
..you can’t claim credit for getting up.
GSP had no interest in the ground this time around. His key was the jab and the front leg kick, and he knew it.
Koscheck has frosted tips.
Look at his interview with Ariel Helwani.
I thought he looked terrified, like he was walking to the gallows. Some saw it as focus though.
I'll admit
I lol’d when i saw this, does that make me a bad person?
fighting crappy is really not an option
if you’re fighting GSP.
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people forget how devastating it is
to break a bone in your orbital in the first minute of the fight.
If the best pound for pound fighter in the world can’t knock out a one eyed guy, is that guy really that crappy?
Much respect to Josh kosceck.
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by nostraboris on Dec 13, 2010 11:19 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Come on guys
Read the full article from MMA Junkie. The overall tone is not Mendez throwing his boy underneath a bus.
The sentence that precedes the whole quote mentioned in this article is:
“Mendez, though, offers no excuses for his fighter’s performance. St-Pierre was simply the better man.”
Plus Mendez says stuff like:
“As for Koscheck, Mendez said there’s no quit in him.
“He’ll be back,” he said. “He’s got a champion’s heart.” "
Much respect to Koscheck. I’m a GSP fan for sure, but I never really hated Kos. And after 124 I’m going to be cheering for Koscheck as well.
by gao on Dec 13, 2010 11:32 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
He'll be back?
To fight who? Is he looking for a third beating?
The only chance Koscheck has of being ‘back’ in a title shot is to drop to lightweight.
Koscheck has frosted tips.
Koshcheck looked afraid
Then again, I would be too if GSP was stalking me inside the octagon.
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by MrTechnique420 on Dec 13, 2010 11:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Koscheck didn't fight bad and he didn't implement his game plan
because GSP wouldn’t let him. GSP messed up Kos’ face with the first few jabs and the rest was history. Like Hardy, Alves and Fitch before him, he didn’t want to be there after the first couple of rounds. It’s not Kos’ fault. It’s what happens when you fight one of the best fighters in the world. Amazingly, Kos hasn’t made any excuses; but it appears his coach is doing it for him. Kos isn’t as good as people thought and he got dominated. Maybe if his coach had admitted that, it would be some rare candor.
Yeah, Kos is one tough SOB, I love and hate the guy.
I know it’s tough to fight out of one eye, but holy, he really never came even close to GSP.
Here’s something that surprised me…Kos didn’t try and change anything up at all until middle of the fight. Did he really think that he was going to be able to connect on that winging overhand that GSP obviously prepared for? How amature a gameplan is that?
What would you have done?
Take into account he couldn’t see out of one eye and his leg had been taken out.
What’s your gameplan? Kalib Starnes it and hope GSP has a coronary?
Koscheck has frosted tips.
I would’ve planned to go in there and do something that wasn’t the most obvious, easiest, and first thing that GSP would prepare for. I mean I’m just an armchair critic and not a pro or anything, so obviously it’s more complicated than it looks, but it seemed like Kos really did think that he needed to just connect with a winging overhand in order to win. I’m surprised he didn’t try and wrestle him or something.
Also, that jab was wicked awesome. It had amazing snap and did damage on it’s own (unlike most jabs you see where they mostly just annoy). It also looked a lot different than the jabs he used to throw. GSP truly has refined his game a lot. It’s remarkable how much better his standup was.
It looked very much the jab
That B.J used against Sherk.
But, even more effective.
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by Drunken cutman on Dec 14, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
FWIW, I heard from somebody at AKA (who was in the corner) that the game plan was for Kos to throw straight shots, avoid looping punches and go for takedowns. He barely did the last one of those three and none of the first two. According to this guy, the corner wasn’t sure if the broken orbital just scrambled his brains or he choked under the pressure. He also said the team (meaning AKA) was equal parts sad for and pissed at Kos after the fight.
That sounds like a hell of a gameplan.
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by lowellthehammer on Dec 14, 2010 2:11 AM EST up reply actions
Koscheck actually did throw straight punches against Yoshida, but I have to wonder how much of his standup technique is just ingrained in him at this point in his career. Throwing looping overhands and doing it for so long, I have to think that it’s now just a habit of his during his fights. The other thing with the takedowns is that he doesn’t seem to put it all together too well in that he is either striking or wrestling, but not both. For example, in the Daley fight, Koscheck was not throwing any strikes, backed up a lot, and then went for the takedown when the opening presented itself. I usually don’t see him mix his striking and his wrestling together very well. While it could be the eye, but the takedowns that Koscheck did on GSP were from five feet away with no setup.
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Those sloppy takedowns
Were because of his eye being messed up. But the part about Kos’s inability to blend his wrestling and striking together is correct. This is what makes GSP so great. He blends all aspects of mma together and makes it look easy.
by pud333 on Dec 14, 2010 3:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
It amazes me how fluidly he does all aspects of MMA and blends them all together. At the end of the day, GSP really is just a better MMA fighter than Josh Koscheck. You are talking about a fighter in GSP who will strike with his opponents, then take them down with great timing catching them off balance, ground n pounding once on the ground, and then passing guard once he opened up his opponent’s guard with strikes. It just flows so well with GSP, and that is something that Koscheck just does not have, and Koscheck’s striking just isn’t that good.
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said GSP would win by KO with a left hook because he said that Kos’s striking technique, or lack of, was too ingrained. He may have hyping with the KO reference, but his review of Kos was spot on.
People have been telling Kos for far too long that he's a knockout artist.
But Yoshida and Trigg do not a knockout artist make. Like Dan Henderson, his standup genuinely sucks, but a couple of KOs against weak competition have convinced him he’s better than he is.
Koscheck has frosted tips.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Dec 14, 2010 1:59 AM EST reply actions
This may be some tough love -
a chance to try to get Josh’s attention going forward.
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by The American Ronin on Dec 14, 2010 2:01 AM EST up reply actions
It ain't no sea craft, it's me dinghy and it's under the wharf.
by DirtyML on Dec 14, 2010 3:50 AM EST reply actions 10 recs
I love his candor
In a sport that is getting increasingly mainstream coaches and fighters alike are more commonly spouting cliches and non answers, as Nate said in the post. GSP and Jackson are to prime examples.
Greg would have said something like it was totally his fault as a coach that his fighter lost, and said “we” alot.
Javier is being honest, I’m sure Kos didn’t fully execute the gameplan they laid out or follow their advice during the fight. Javier know his fighters ability, and thinks Josh could have done better. I am in no way saying Kos would have won if he had listened.
I like it anytime these guys tell it like really is.
I think Georges makes people fight crappy against him.
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Crappy? LOL
I wouldn’t exactly say that he “fought crappy.” Even if he came in with the perfect game plan, given his abilities, he would not have won that fight… GSP is simply superior to Josh Koscheck as an MMA fighter. That is all.
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by CSC Memorabilia on Dec 14, 2010 7:22 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Crappy Coaching:
Not looking out for your fighter’s welfare by letting them get their ass kicked and potentially suffer career ending damage.
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by Ubernoober on Dec 14, 2010 7:22 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
Maybe Mendez should have said Josh fought crappy and didn’t slip the jab and counter with and uppercut when GSP ducked under the right hand. That would be a more accurate description of what happened.
I don’t believe Kos fought crappy, I believe he did not know how to neutralize or slip a jab, and that comes from his coaching.
Here’s a question though… did Koscheck really fight that badly? I mean, what else was he supposed to do? He tried a few takedowns, and only got one after working very hard in the closing seconds of the first round. Since that didn’t work too well, he had no choice but to try to make something happen with his limited standup abilities. The problem here wasn’t sticking to a gameplan, it was his limited abilities, pure and simple. And for someone training at American Kickboxing Academy, it’s surprising how bad his standup is. His trainer should take a good portion of the blame for that, I think.
All discussion on Kos' performance
is basically nullified by the broken orbital bone. Gameplans go out the window when you have broken bones in your face… not only are you consciously guarding it but your body is unconsciously guarding it.
Should of been stopped. That got swollen so fast that anyone with a medical background should of known the orbital was broken.
A good coach would have stopped the fight after the third.
BJ’s people knew when the fight was over and saved their guy from real damage.
Koscheck’s people made excuses and sent their boy into the grinder.
Koscheck has frosted tips.
“Good work out there” – Javier Mendez
He said this after round one, a round in which Kos has his face broken by jabs, and was stuffed four out of five times.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Dec 14, 2010 12:42 PM EST reply actions
The Fightmetric report has him shooting 4 times in the fight.
And Round 1 was Kos’ best round. He stuffed most of GSP’s TDs, never stayed down and the round ended with Kos on top, controlling GSP.
If by controlling
You mean lying on top of GSP catching his breath and praying for the round to end, then, yes, he controlled GSP at the end of the 1st.
by Ironbuddha on Dec 15, 2010 10:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
But did GSP manage that kind of control at all? No, he never successfully put Kos on his back.
What Kos did with the TD is irrelevant.
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