UFC 124 Results, WEC's Dominick Cruz and K-1 Wrap-up Today on MMA Nation on 106.7 The Fan
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Today on "MMA Nation" we've got a lot of ground to cover.
We'll be cover all of the results from UFC 124: Georges St. Pierre vs. Josh Koscheck:
- What's next for GSP? Is a move to middleweight a foregone conclusion at this point?
- Does Mark Bocek actually have the best jiu-jitsu in the UFC lightweight division?
- Does Koscheck's loss make it more likely he'll eventually have to face fellow AKA fighter Jon Fitch?
- Is Thiago Alves back? Should GSP wait around for another fight with him?
- Jim Miler thinks he should be close to a title shot. Do you agree?
We're also going to be joined by WEC bantamweight champion Dominick Cruz. Cruz puts his title on the line against Scott Jorgensen at WEC 53: Ben Henderson vs. Anthony Pettis this Thursday, December 16th in the last WEC event ever. We'll talk to Cruz about the UFC - WEC merger, how he plans to defeat Jorgensen and more.
Lastly, we'll recap all of the action from the K-1 World Grand Prix where Alistair Overeem became the first person to hold titles in MMA and K-1 at the same time.
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Is Bj still counted in the LW division?
If so he has better Jui Jitsu than Bocek.
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this thursday is gonna be a sad day
the WEC was the greatest promotion ever
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by milk72 on Dec 12, 2010 1:43 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I think Bocek’s comment was used to make waves, then he gets a chance to defend his claims — true or false. He was RNC’d by Mac Danzig a couple years ago…
I would like to see Alves vs. GSP 2 but I think Fitch/Lytle should get a shot before Thiago does. Alves needs to chalk up a few more W’s and prove he can consistently come in shape and make weight before he gets another chance.
Half the year in Canada, Half the year in Thailand.
Danzig was picking him apart standing though
And cut him which led to the finish. Its not like he out wizarded him on the ground.
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this is alves' first win in over 2 years
hes not even close to deserving a shot
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- What’s next for GSP? Is a move to middleweight a foregone conclusion at this point?
After Shields, probably. Though part of me doesn’t even want to see him fight Shields and wants him to just move up. After seeing what he did to Kos standing, Shields will be destroyed. Yeah, Shields might get GSP down, but I doubt it. I think he gets his face turned into ground beef.
- Does Mark Bocek actually have the best jiu-jitsu in the UFC lightweight division?
I don’t know. Maybe he’ll get his wish and face Sotiropoulos next. That would be a good way to find out, wouldn’t it? Though I don’t think he’ll get it. Heck, Jim Miller should be Sotiropoulus’ next fight, if Miller is willing to wait.
- Does Koscheck’s loss make it more likely he’ll eventually have to face fellow AKA fighter Jon Fitch?
No. IMO, it actually makes it even less likely. I’d like to think that if a title was on the line, these two would fight (despite Fitch’s denial and remarks about how he’d just move up to MW if Kos had the title). But now that they both lost in brutal fashion to GSP, I don’t think there is enough incentive for them to just fight. I suppose Dana could just back the money truck up, but something tells me Dana would rather cut one of them on principle rather than pay them more for being stubborn. Dana seems to be the most stubborn man of all time.
- Is Thiago Alves back? Should GSP wait around for another fight with him?
No. Proper weight cutting is a good step for him, but he got dominated by Fitch. There’s no point for GSP to rematch him. Someone like Kos was a different story since they fought in 2007 and they had changed (seemingly) so much since then and it wasn’t for a title shot that time. I don’t think Alves has the wrestling to prevent the same thing from happening again.
- Jim Miler thinks he should be close to a title shot. Do you agree?
No. I love the Miller guys, but Jim needs one more fight maybe before he gets a shot. He needs to beat a top 10 guy like Sotiropoulos first.
Also, how bad was Kenny Florian’s injury? Maybe he and Miller can duke it out, since they both lost to Maynard. If Miller wins, he gets a shot.
As much as I love Jim Miller
He needs one more big fight… maybe sean sherk? Theres a big name and someone to challenge the wrestling he will need for either Maynard or Edgar
Teammates fighting
I doubt it will happen. I don’t think Dana really wants them to fight — it’s more about not having guys publicly disagreeing with anything Dana says.
Could anyone tell the differenc in movement in striking before and after GSP trained under Roach?
And am I the only one that thinks that Do Bronx will get better off this loss to Jim Miller? I was on that hype train as well and I think he got a lot of potential.
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Yea, all time best moments from LT
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ALRIGHT, FUCKERS
LET’S GET THIS PARTY STARTED. QUESTIONS? COMMENTS?
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Lastly
How ridiculous is the scene in Canada? Anyone can answer this cause i was at a sports bar and I could hear the chants for GSP. Not to mention all the callers on this show
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Luke...what do you think of Rogan complaining about the doctor checking out Koschecks eye?
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aka does entertainment take precedent over fighter safety?
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by Matthew Roth on Dec 12, 2010 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
Shouldnt
But it doest
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It's a shame that St. Pierre isn't getting the finishes...
but I can’t believe the degree to which people have complained in the face of him completing dominating his bouts.
Hay Ya'll!
Who trains striking at AKA? Koscheck was getting eaten by GSP’s jab from the first minute of the fight. How does no one tell Koshceck he needs to counter it by throwing leg kicks. Baisc Muay Thai 101 – Counter a stiff jab with hard leg kicks. Koscheck threw none.
Also, in your mind, what was the biggest victory for GSP over his long win streak? Dominating a great striker like Alves and possibly Hardy, or dominating a very strong wrestler like Fitch and Koscheck?
Be like water making its way through cracks. Do not be assertive, but adjust to the object, and you shall find a way round or through it. If nothing within you stays rigid, outward things will disclose themselves. - Bruce Lee
I think there was a good reason he didn’t throw leg kicks.
by Jonathan Snowden on Dec 12, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
GSP has earned the right to dominate his opponents and not recklessly go about it. He beats everyone by attacking their weaknesses. As well NOBODY has pressed him into defending and attacking. If you want to beat him, then you’re gonna have to take his belt. He’s not even close to being like Silva.
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I swear from the summer until now I see less and less people in there chatting….
do you guys know about it?
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by Guillermo Ponce on Dec 12, 2010 9:31 PM EST reply actions
THIS RED ENGINE
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I was wondering where I heard that qustion before.
It’s up there^^^
Red Engine FTW
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by Matthew Roth on Dec 12, 2010 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
1. Any fighters on the horizon you see with the potential to give GSP a problem?
2. Any opinion on the UFC sponsorship policies
Demian Maia
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Koscheck was the only fighter I can think of that really stopped the takedown and got back up. But he also has ridiculously rudimentary striking.
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by Matthew Roth on Dec 12, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
Let his body adjust
When he’s still an adonis at around 38, yea, he can take out the HWs. Watch.
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The Sponsor thing is this…UFC is on top….anyone on top can dictate how they do business…until Sponsors stop doing business with them the UFC, the UFC will keep charging them big bucks.
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by Guillermo Ponce on Dec 12, 2010 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
Most people don’t understand that is other promotions besides UFC.
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by Guillermo Ponce on Dec 12, 2010 9:44 PM EST reply actions
*there is other
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by Guillermo Ponce on Dec 12, 2010 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
Like said in another thread. Rua can be greatest not only P4P.
but among the G.O.A.T. LHW is by far the most competitive division in MMA. If Rua beats Evans and Jones (if he beats Bader) he has to be put in their with and possibly above Anderson and GSP.
Luke coming back from break can you play Fugazi "Waiting Room"?
You know…since they’re a DC band…
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Hey Luke
Do you ever check on the Usteam cheat room?
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by Guillermo Ponce on Dec 12, 2010 9:48 PM EST reply actions
No, he doesn't.
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by Matthew Roth on Dec 12, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
That’s because Luke is BElitist.
"Everytime I start talking about boxing, a white man gotta pull Rocky Marciano out of their ass!"
Cause BE is where it's at
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I feel I need to let the record show that I am the original BElitist and started the movement.
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by Matthew Roth on Dec 12, 2010 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
I'm half mexican!
:D
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by Matthew Roth on Dec 12, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
I’m full.
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by Guillermo Ponce on Dec 12, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
Then why use USTREAM?
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by Guillermo Ponce on Dec 12, 2010 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
Because it's a good format?
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by Matthew Roth on Dec 12, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
So we can all see Luke’s beautiful face.
"Everytime I start talking about boxing, a white man gotta pull Rocky Marciano out of their ass!"
Correction
So we can all see Luke’s beautifulfacebeard.
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by pdl on Dec 12, 2010 9:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You see my email?
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by Matthew Roth on Dec 12, 2010 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
Thats rather vain.
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by Guillermo Ponce on Dec 12, 2010 9:55 PM EST reply actions
we are MMA Fans
we need to be better than that!
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by Guillermo Ponce on Dec 12, 2010 9:55 PM EST reply actions
What can I say. I get lost when I stare into the intense eyes of Luke Thomas.
"Everytime I start talking about boxing, a white man gotta pull Rocky Marciano out of their ass!"
Real talk...
Dominick Cruz isn’t the most entertaining interview.
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I meant interview wise
Am I reachin?
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by Luke Thomas on Dec 12, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
I mean it seemed like you were pulling teeth to get him to open up.
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by Matthew Roth on Dec 12, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
I enjoyed the interview. Not everyone is a Chatty Kathy on the radio.
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by Brian Mayes on Dec 12, 2010 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
He's not super exciting on the mic
because he’s legitimately laid back. Very cool and very chill guy. It’s very much par for the course for the gym he’s at.
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You could talk about....
…..how wrong that guy was that you had on the show last night talking about Stefan Struve like he is a bum.
Dont hate on the King
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Lulz
at vitor beating silva.
Vitor is tailor made to lose to the spider.
by DoubleHeadedEagle on Dec 12, 2010 10:15 PM EST reply actions
When was the last time Anderson fought a striker?
And he’s never fought one as quick as Vitor. I mean, Anderson will win, but its interesting still.
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by Neil Manich on Dec 12, 2010 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
Anderson is probably the best counter striker in MMA, with excellent head movement and footwork.
Vitor comes forward all guns blazing.
You do the math.
by DoubleHeadedEagle on Dec 12, 2010 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
Bully beatdown is unwatchable
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Bully beatdown is Karma
If it wasn’t for Bully Beatdown then the ones who get Bullied will snap and shoot their bullies.
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by Guillermo Ponce on Dec 12, 2010 10:20 PM EST reply actions
Jason Miller is a fucking hero, ain't he?
by Brent Ducharme on Dec 12, 2010 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
No, Roger Huerta is a hero
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Great Luke rant
Seriously.
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*Rant, Luke
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by Neil Manich on Dec 12, 2010 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
Absolutely. The SF show was not just entertaining against TUF, it was entertaining up against a lot of cards.
Sadly…thats the best SF for the forseeable future.
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by Guillermo Ponce on Dec 12, 2010 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
*sf card
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by Guillermo Ponce on Dec 12, 2010 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
SF Card…
until a few months of announcing something else.
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by Guillermo Ponce on Dec 12, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
Since Fedor joined SF has their heavyweight division gotten stronger with additions (Kharitonov and Barnett) and development of guys like Cormier? Hasn’t the UFC been weakened with Brock getting beat, Carwin getting nabbed with roids, Nelson sidelined with legal issues?
Exactly.
SF does have the better HW division any way you try to slice it.
Let me break it down for you all.
Striking-Alistair, newly crowned K-1 champ
Submission-Werdum, current and multiple time ADCC champ
Wrestling-Cormier, Olympic level wrestling and uses it effectively to finish fights
Best all-around HW- Fedor, you can argue for Cain though.
Guys like Barnett, Sergei, Bigfoot also provide for legitimate and interesting matches as well.
While Guys like Del Rosario and maybe LAshley(if he can get his shit together) will feed the division too.
Yes, i honestly don’t think SF would be where is at today if it wasn’t for Fedor.
For example, do you all think Dan would of left the UFC for SF if Fedor wasn’t there?
Absolutely right. SF is a great second option.
I know a lot of people like rant and criticize on SF but i think its good for fighter to have another big company to choose from if they don’t like the UFC contracts.
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by Neil Manich on Dec 12, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Canadians are busy nursing hangovers of their hangovers to make a call.
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by Guillermo Ponce on Dec 12, 2010 10:39 PM EST reply actions
That's always Danzig's striking game
Head movement left hook counter. He has great timing too. He just doesn’t have great power. He must have caught Stevenson PERFECTLY.
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Overeem doesn’t fight top MMA combatants. Period.
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Hasn't yet.
He will rule the UFC in the future.
by DoubleHeadedEagle on Dec 12, 2010 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
"He would have a hard time standing with Fedor"
What?
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If GSP starting to take more chances then people would moan about being too sloppy, mention his lack of excellent defense and general lack of Patience.
People will always find something to complain.
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by Guillermo Ponce on Dec 12, 2010 10:57 PM EST reply actions
Great show yet again
Til next time
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by Luke Thomas on Dec 13, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Great show Luke. Really excited for 2011
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by Luke Thomas on Dec 13, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Awesome Card From Top to Bottom
People were complaining about how weak this card looks b4 hand, but look at what we got. An amazing fight card with more than half of the telvised card being finishes and for the fights that weren’t, they would of been contenders for FotN bonuses on any other fight night.
Co-Main Event had less notable fighters but still a decently exciting come from behind victory for the sky-scraper.
Great Main Event even thou it was one sided. It did show that GSP can still strike, never mind that it has improved vastly.
This card was well worth my money and time. My Friends and family throughly enjoyed it.
by KillerInstinct on Dec 12, 2010 11:55 PM EST reply actions
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