Exclusive: UFC Star Roy Nelson Talks Brock Lesnar, Shane Carwin
This is a guest feature interview by Duane Finley.
It is often said in the fight business you are only as good as your last performance. When victory is obtained on the sport's biggest stage the doors will open to larger paydays and a stronger push from the organization. Normally winning a high profile bout is the only way to garner positive attention but from time to time an exception will arise and a fighter will find respect in the rubble of defeat. For TUF winner Roy Nelson, a gritty three round war against number one contender Junior dos Santos has placed him on the front lines of the UFC heavyweight division.
After a rough start against the powerful Brazilian, Nelson battled his way back into the fight and ultimately accomplished what no other fight before him has done and took Dos Santos the distance. For his efforts Nelson was then slated to face former UFC Heavyweight Interim champion Shane Carwin at UFC 125 in Las Vegas but after Carwin announced he was pulling out of the fight to undergo back surgery the matchup was left in limbo.
With Nelson sitting in a co-headlining slot for the card several names were thrown around and Nelson accepted each call with open arms but after the UFC failed to secure an opponent, "Big Country" was eventually pulled off of the card entirely. The aftermath has left Nelson as a man apart as he now waits for the UFC to find his next opponent and just when it appeared that no one wanted to face the former IFL champion, a recently dethroned UFC behemoth came to call. The news broke last week that Brock Lesnar has asked to fight Roy Nelson and the rumors have created a buzz in the world of MMA. In this Bloody Elbow exclusive interview, Nelson sat down with Duane Finley and unleashed his opinion on Brock Lesnar, other rumored opponents and making the fight happen whether it would be in the UFC or taking it back to Lesnar's roots and going under the bright lights of the WWE.
With the news coming out that Roy Nelson had been removed from the card at UFC 125 and replaced with the recently merged WEC champion Jose Aldo, Nelson was asked how he felt about the move and he started the interview in proper fashion.
"I think being pulled off of UFC 125 is a benefit for me because I can rehab my knee and get everything back to normal. Maybe I'll go on tour...like a Nutrabolics tour or something like that after surgery but I'm not sure yet. I think the reason I was pulled off of the card is that there are couple of names in the business that can co-headline with Roy Nelson."
Throughout the entire process of signing on to face Carwin to the eventual removal from the card Nelson has used his Twitter account to not only showcase his personality but give MMA fans a look at his unique perspective.
When asked about his "tweets" Nelson laughed, "I try to do what I can do and I just haven't found a good way to charge for my sense of humor."
Despite the back and forth of instant media the fact remains that Nelson remains in limbo without a challenger insight...until former champion Brock Lesnar mentioned that he wanted his next bout to come against "Big Country". Nelson was excited to talk about a possible fight with Lesnar.
"Fighting Brock is interesting to me because he is the longest reigning heavyweight champion in UFC history. He held the belt longer than Randy Couture and I'm not sure about the number of defenses but when you fight once a year you will be able to hold that title for awhile. It's easy to hold a belt if you do that way rather than fight three or four times but I have to give it to him for holding the title as long as he did."
As soon as the word broke that Lesnar was interested in fighting Nelson stories began to pour in about Lesnar looking for an easier matchup rather than pursuing redemption against Cain Velasquez. Those stories painted Nelson as a lackey of sorts who would be a stepping stone to Lesnar's return to glory. When asked about this aspect of the matchup Nelson put down his sense of humor and fired.
"Brock is getting slack for asking to fight me because people think he should get a rematch. I don't know if the powers that be want to see otherwise but it really just comes down to the MMA media wanting hits on their website by taking shots at Brock. You would never see anyone of these writers ask Brock to his face why he balls up when he gets punched just as you wouldn't see them asking me why I'm considered as a lackluster challenge for him. In a sense it's just like when Fedor lost. As soon as he was defeated here came the storm of how he is washed up and done for...Dana White even did it. At the end of the day you are going to win some and lose some but the marker of a champion is how many times you can get back up. I think it's great that Brock wants to fight me. It would be a great matchup and I believe the fans want to see it so let's make it happen. I don't care if it is in the UFC or the WWE...let's just get down to it."
More Roy Nelson in the full entry.
The mention of the WWE took the interview in a peculiar direction and it was a path that Nelson was more than happy to walk down.
When asked if I had heard his answer correctly he replied, "I'll fight Brock in the UFC because they actually put on fights that the fans want to see. If the UFC isn't up for it and we have to do it in the WWE that's fine. If Brock still doesn't want to fight there I guess I'll take on the Undertaker because I'm sure he'd be happy to fight me. We can do Hell in the Cell or we can even do a complete throwback and sign a Lion's Den match like Ken Shamrock. I can get paid to act. What's wrong with the A-Team? I'll be like Rampage but I think I have a little better personality. I can bring back some tag lines like "Whatcha talking bout foo?" then I'll come with the "Whatcha talking bout Wills?"
A bout with Brock Lesnar has the potential to open the doors to what Roy Nelson has been seeking throughout his entire career. During his time on "The Ultimate Fighter" UFC President Dana White consistently chided Nelson's arrogance and despite White proclaiming he has now found respect for Nelson, the relationship still seems strained.
"After losing to Cain he dropped down a few spots in the rankings but a win over Lesnar would definitely put me up there at the top. It would be an honor to fight Brock and it would definitely show that I belong in the Top 10 and will not be going away any time soon," Nelson said.
While the news of a potential Lesnar vs. Nelson fight has stirred up the MMA fan base it will have to compete with a possible end to the trilogy between Lesnar and Mir. No sooner than the belt was around Velasquez's waist were there talks of a third meeting between Frank and Brock.
Nelson once again became sharp with his words.
"If Frank Mir is going to fight anybody then make him fight Carwin again. Frank is good about fighting people two or three times and consistency is good. He hasn't had his second bout with Shane yet so we need to make that happen."
There has been talk in the past of a Nelson vs. Mir matchup but despite "Big Country's" willingness to mix it up with the former champion for one reason or another it is a fight that has never been put together.
"All I know is that in this business there is never any rhyme or reason to what happens. I can see Frank Mir getting a title shot just by waiting. There is no rhyme or reason and I can see Frank Mir fighting Cheick Kongo again just because they need to fulfill the Mir quota. In our business very little ever makes sense and it comes down to name recognition, marketing and branding. Frank Mir is a brand for the UFC."
One name that came out to ask for a shot at Nelson was former Pride champion Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipovic. The Croatian striker issued a statement encouraging the UFC to sign the fight to which Nelson once again accepted willingly. As Nelson waited for the bout to materialize he would soon discover he had been removed from the card entirely.
"The reason the Cro Cop fight didn't happen was based on his last outing. That in addition to being in the co-headliner slot. Who the UFC picks to fight on the pay per view portion of the card is a big choice. Cro Cop didn't have a great performance his last time out and so he's probably still on the pay per views but not as a headliner...kind of how the UFC uses Clay Guida on cards is where you will see Cro Cop next. He is certainly still fun to watch but you are not going to shell out $50 to see him fight," said Nelson.
With all of that being said another issue that picks at Nelson's brain is the current Top 10 rankings for the heavyweight division. While he gives praise and credit for those he feels are at the top of the food chain there are some fighter rankings that baffle him.
"In the fight game you are as good as your last fight. Brett Rogers is a great example. He knocks out Arlovski and the next thing you know he is in the Top 10. Granted he did knock out a former UFC champion but 9 out of 10 times I see that fight going a different way. If you get taken the distance by Ruben "Warpath" Villareal then you have problems. If Brett Rogers is one of your Top 10 fighters in the world then I would be -37."
I then asked Nelson how he would shake up the current rankings and what he was going to do to earn the respect that he feels he deserves.
"Right now my plan since Carwin pulled out is to go Brock, Nogueira and Shane Carwin. After that run I will go fight for the belt," Nelson replied.
The mention of Carwin drew attention to the fact that the powerful heavyweight may have pulled out of their scheduled fight but he had not disappeared from "Big Country's" radar.
"He just got out of surgery yesterday and I think he goes next week on his tour so he is pretty booked up already," said Nelson. "If all goes well and I do get on the Mir plan I will get at least two or three more opportunities to fight Carwin so I'm sure it will all come back around eventually."
With Nelson on a roll I decided to ask him about the recent merger between the UFC and the WEC. The particular focus fell on the announcement that the winner of Frankie Edgar vs. Gray Maynard would then face the winner of Ben Henderson vs. Anthony Pettis. While Edgar and Maynard are considered two of the world's best lightweights, neither Henderson or Pettis have faced anything close to Top 10 caliber talent.
"The only thing that makes sense is combining the two divisions and the belts that come with them. It's basically showing who the best 155 lb. fighter in the organization is now that we have this new batch of fighters in the mix. Hypothetically speaking if the UFC co-promoted and brought in Melendez from Strikeforce and Alvarez from Bellator they could hold a tournament format to see who the top lightweight in the world truly was. We won't see it but that would settle those types of questions. I would really like to see a Gran Prix format done throughout the year in my weight class. Granted you are going to have your wins and losses but it creates drama and build up and that is what sells fights. That's why the WWE does so well and that is also why Roy Nelson vs. Brock Lesnar is good drama. You have this monster of a specimen with a weird looking thing on his chest and you have Roy Nelson who looks like the average day American hero."
With the interview coming to a close I asked Nelson to give a final update on his status after being taken off the card at UFC 125 and to let the readers of Bloody Elbow know where they can find more Roy Nelson.
"The last I heard I was pulled off of UFC 125 so now I'm just waiting on a phone call to find out what is next. Whether it is Dana, the lawyers or whoever I'm just left waiting. The door is open for all challengers and who knows...maybe it will be Rampage now that he wants to fight heavyweight so we'll see. Make sure you follow me @roynelsonmma on Twitter and check out www.roynelson.com. The new website is going to be up soon and check out Twitter because I always have some funny s*&% to say."
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Half way through, I agree with everything Nelson said. BTW he’s great for MMA on Twitter.
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VEe is ANIMated!
Nelson vs. JDS
In my opinion Nelson stock did not drop after his loss to JDS. Hey JDS gave Nelson nothing but praise after their 3 round fight.
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by VeeisAnimated on Nov 9, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
I agree.
But, the layoff has hurt him (no fault of his own though).
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by ChicagoMarine on Nov 9, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Um. No
He sounds like a troll. Nelson is a very good fighter. But what has he done to deserve a match against Brock or bash UFC or Mir. He is trying to act like a rebel by taking shots at the UFC. Now is he a better fighter than Brock or vice versa? I am not going to say that. But to say Brock fought once a year to hold on to his title is just BS.
Brock fought Mir, Couture, and Carwin. So those guys are bums now according to MMA community but so what? Everybody who loses is a bum these days. Even Fedor…
Nelson is not in a position to dictate who he wants to get next, especially not Brock. But it’ll be a good fight and good test for Brock
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by SheepleBuster on Nov 9, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Your post is confusing
You say, “what has he done to deserve a match against Brock” and then say “it’ll be a good fight and good test for Brock.” So you think he’s undeserving but it’ll be a good fight? Do you want to see this fight or not?
And then you start referring to Brock’s past opponents as “bums.” Why? Nelson did not crap on Brock’s opponents.
Good question
You got to understand, there is a difference between someone “demanding” something and being “given” something. I feel Roy is demanding a match with Brock. At least from his tweets. He also talked about how Brock was exposed by Mir on Twitter. I digress
I don’t believe Couture is a bum. He is a legend. I don’t think Shane is a bum. He is a power house. I am just saying that’s what some fans say to bring down Brock.
Do I want to see the fight? I said it was going to be a good fight. I am not even saying he is undeserving. I just don’t think he has done enough to ask for lucrative match ups. He is not a PPV draw like Brock or Mir.
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by SheepleBuster on Nov 9, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Heads up. You said it, you “feel” he is demanding a match. Please note, Brock suggested a match up with Roy Nelson. I don’t see a problem.
Still kind of confusing but if you want to argue that he’s not a PPV draw, yeah so what. Anderson Silva, Frankie Edgar and Shogun are the freaking champions and I really doubt they can draw an audience like Lesnar, Couture or even Evans and Jackson. Mir is a big PPV draw? Uhmmm . . . ok.
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by VeeisAnimated on Nov 9, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Brock hasn't suggested a thing
all we have is he said she said from Bryan Alvarez. Maybe Brock’s camp said it but we have no proof that Brock said anything (unless i’ve missed further news stories, to my recollection there was just the original story by Alvarez.
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Brock or his agent hasnt released a statment denying it either.
so i lean more towards, he said it.
I actually think Roy Takes that one. Roy is sick off his back and has better hands than Brock. I dont think brock can control Big Country on the ground like Mir seemed content to let Brock do in there second fight.
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by the-gentle-way on Nov 9, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Let's be clear about this.
Lesnar had 3 fights in 2008. 1 in 2009 and 2 in 2010.
I will never call Carwin, Couture or Mir a bum, neither did Nelson. I can give you a detail explanation why I think Couture is highly over-rated, with many convenient opportunities to compete for a title and YES, Tim Sylvia’s back was messed up.
No fighter dictates who they get to fight, he’s just voicing his opinion because I think he got a bum deal. But like he said, he gets time to heal.
Um. No
What? You don’t think he’s great for MMA on Twitter. That’s cool. It’s just my opinion.
What has he done to deserve a match. He showed and proved. Dana White has done nothing but talk sh*t about Nelson on TUF10. How did the Finale end? He won via KO and rubbed his belly for good measure. I don’t think he’s bashing Mir. In my opinion, he’s simply putting it out there that Mir has a number of rematches under his belt. We all know rematches sell.
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by VeeisAnimated on Nov 9, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
roy nelson has had nothing but good fights (2 KOs) in the ufc and he hung with the #1 contender, i think he deserves to fight in the top of the division
I agree
But Brock is not the top of the division. Brock is UFC’s cash cow. Is Lesnar vs. Nelson a good fight on paper? Yes. Is Mir vs. Lesnar the money fight? You bet. Which way do you think the UFC will go?
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by SheepleBuster on Nov 9, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
Why do people keep suggesting Mir vs Lesnar is the money fight?
Lesnar versus anyone is a money fight. If there are people out there clamoring for a a third match against Mir, I haven’t heard it. Whenever I ask this question, I always hear, “no one at BE, but the casual fans…” The casual fans, the casual fans. The casual fans don’t give a shit about Frank Mir. They care about Brock Lesnar.
ROY IS COOL
Whoever he faces next.. WAR BIG COUNTRY!!
Yeah call paint me a Roy Nelson fan
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by VeeisAnimated on Nov 9, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Seems like he's angling for Mir
If the UFC doesn’t give him Brock. That’d be a nice matchup and worthy of a co-headlining slot. I don’t see any other opponents outside of Mir, Carwin, and Lesnar that could justify a co-headliner. Big Nog, maybe.
I'd love to see Roy break Mir
It’s always fun to see Mir lose.
by Gurthee on Nov 9, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The only problem with that from my perspective would be...
That if Nelson doesn’t get to fight Lesnar, it’s because they’re probably angling for Mir/Lesnar III, which leaves Mir unavailable to fight Nelson too. Nog could probably fit the co-headlining slot with Nelson as you suggest, but I’m still unclear on the timetable for when Nog is set to return. Barring Mir, Lesnar, and Nog as opponents for Nelson, then the biggest name opponent for Nelson left just might be Cro Cop, but I think Nelson is right in that it wouldn’t work in the co-headlining slot.
roy vs mir is a great fight
and i could see the UFC sacrificing kongo to lesnar, his dirty fighting has definately worn the UFC brass thin and his style is perfect for brock to have a nice dominant win and get himself back in the picture
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I like those match ups. Roy beat Mir years ago in a grappling comp and kongos really got to go, Brock tune up fight is perfect.
by Cocytus on Nov 9, 2010 12:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Roy versus Rampage at hw...
That could be interesting, you could replay season Kimbo of TUF to hype it up.
i love Roy
because he just tells it like it is, lightheartedly and without any doublespeak or cliche BS or manufactured trashtalk
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I laughed...
…at his description of Brock as a “monster of a specimen with a weird looking thing on his chest”.
None more gangster.
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Roy= Good interview
and mediocre fighter. He has a good chin, solid grappling, but the good HW’s will always grind out three round decisions. He loses reach advantage, quickness and lateral movement to most of the top fighters.
Meh?
Compared to how many others in his division?
I wouldn’t say he’s mediocre; certainly not elite.
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by ChicagoMarine on Nov 9, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
I am not going to argue his status as a fighter though I think he is right below the elite level. What I will say is that he has shown that he has elite heart. He never gives up, impressed the hell out of me even in a loss to JDS
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by keyboardwarrior on Nov 9, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed (Above Average?)
Mediocre is a bit of a slight, I would think.
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by ChicagoMarine on Nov 9, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
That's my opinion
Although I’m not sure what to constitute as elite at HW. He is certainly not mediocre, but not at a level where I think he can be champion or beat champion quality fighters consistently.
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He's a second tier guy
Along with Mir and Big Nog, just under Carwin, Lesnar, Cain and JDS.
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by The American Ronin on Nov 9, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think you guys sell Country short. Anyone is the top 20 stands a very real chance and being champ as Werdum and Edgar proved.
I Really believe he could be champ. If he puts a clean one on anyone in the divison they are going to sleep. His Jits is legit . Overall i feel like he has elevated his game in the last couple years.
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by the-gentle-way on Nov 9, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Jebus that was horrible
I think you guys sell Country short. Anyone in the top 20 stands a very real chance at being champ as Werdum and Edgar proved.
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by the-gentle-way on Nov 9, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
I agree, and
I am not selling him short, but he doesn’t have the resume yet to warrent inclusion in that first group.
Of course, the dirty little secret of the UFC’s HW division is that if one looks too closely at the fighter’s resumes, the argument could be made against any or all of those guys inclusion as well…
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by The American Ronin on Nov 9, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Third the motion
I think you hit it on the head with the dirty little secret and I think that we are going to be in a lot of rematches and possible trilogies as these guys go forward. The solid part is they will be building their resumes against one another…iron sharpens iron kind of thing but you are absolutely right in the under the microscope aspect. Nelson has good power and a solid ground game which makes him more versatile than many of the other heavyweights, but fighting outside the UFC for so long hasn’t done him much justice on the resume.
I really wish Roy had gotten to take another step or two
Before making the jump in the UFC all the way from Struve to JDS.
There are numerous guys who would have fit the bill, although to Roy’s credit he appears willing to fight anyone, anywhere, even at less than 100% ready.
Frankly I think he gave a great account of himself against JDS, considering JDS appears to be everything we thought he might be and then some. I think that fight was booked as much about testing JDS as anything else.
As for the thin HW resumes, think about it, if Carwin loses his next fight, is he really any different than Brett Rogers, all things considered? For that matter, if Brock loses his next fight against anyone other than the winner of Cain – JDS, is he really who we (or I at least) thought he was?
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by The American Ronin on Nov 9, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
You understand that I was quoting dootch right?
I'm a hater not a fighter
by spectaa on Nov 9, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yep
Just keeping the thread going. ;-)
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by ChicagoMarine on Nov 9, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
he’ll never be champion, and beating Struve and not getting knocked out by JDS somehow annoints him as a “step below elite”.
Amusing.
I never said "a step below elite"
… Unless, that step is “above average”.
Again, what fighters in the HW can you make an argument that they are sure fire elite fighters in the UFC HW division and are undisputably better than Roy Nelson?
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by ChicagoMarine on Nov 9, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
A lot of fighters will never be champion. Doesn’t mean that they’re mediocre.
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by Worldisart on Nov 9, 2010 4:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I was answering this
“I think he is right below the elite level” above in the thread.
I would say Roy loses to Mir, Brock, Cain JDS , Rothwell, Carwin, Kongo and if they fought again, Schaub.
And Spectaa, lighten up, son, it’s just the interwebs…
I think you're kind of nuts
Roy has a very real shot of beating Mir, Rothwell, Kongo and Schaub. In fact, I’d think he’d be the favorite in all of them except Mir and rightly so.
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Why?
What in Nelson’s stellar fight resume gives you any indication of that? Beating Struve? Getting knocked around like a rag doll against JDS? What?
How about the fact that he already knocked Schaub the fuck out?
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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 9, 2010 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
That was a green as grass Schaub
You prolly thought GG was going to do the same to Schaub.
So then definitely Rothwell would beat Nelson again, right?
Roy knocked out Schaub less than a year ago. I love Schaub, but he’s not on Roy’s level yet.
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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 9, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
Rothwell
didn’t beat Nelson the first time.
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by Chris Barton on Nov 11, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
Good one
And Spectaa, lighten up, son, it’s just the interwebs…

This is how I felt reading this friend. So you think he would lose to Schaub based on what? You think he can’t win against Kongo? He can put him on his back and hold him there. And in his last fight Kongo couldn’t let his hands go, the other dude had no head movement and he couldn’t finish him. Not impressed. He actually fell from mid tier to low tier that day.
Brock? He is top tier, being weaker that brock doesn’t make you mediocre. Not long ago it just made you ranked #2. Carwin? Top tier. JDS? Top tier, the guy was granted a title shot thanks to a victory over Roy Nelson, mmmh maybe there is a clue there. Rothwell? who knows, Rothwell wasn’t really impressive lately. I would pick Nelson has a heavy (cough) favorite any day.
I'm a hater not a fighter
Every time I see an article about Roy Nelson, I cringe
Because I know some hype will be coming such as this;
After a rough start against the powerful Brazilian, Nelson battled his way back into the fight and ultimately accomplished what no other fight before him has done and took Dos Santos the distance. bq
It is strange that the farther we get from the actual fight, the more heroic Roy Nelson becomes. I would encourage them to please watch the fight again and then also see the fight metric report. It was about as one sided a HW fight has ever been that did not end in a KO. Roy was plastered from pillar to post, knocked down in every round. And aside from an occasional glancing haymaker he pretty much lost every moment of that fight.
by SimplePsych on Nov 9, 2010 2:00 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
that's a little harsh
he was doing well against arlovski till they stood him up, i’m told
he also tuned up schaub, who is apparently some big deal prospect.
i think the roy love for that jds fight comes from him not getting finished. but getting beat up and not being finished doesn’t mean you have “heart” or that you “battled your way into the fight.” it just means you’re tough.
Nelson was working that arm, but AA broke the hold, and Roy was just kinda laying on him. It was pretty quick stand-up if that was the only instance, but they had just gone a minute going in a circle as Roy had previously been working for a crucifix and AA had countered by countering his position again and again.
And Schaub was greener than green. A year from now that’s a totally different result.
fedor only
Fought cans, Brock turns bitch when hit, carwin has no cardio, Jds’s wrestling is questionable, wedum got lucky,barnett and big foot are cheaters and MegaReem got dusted by Shogun and Liddel , those guys aren’t even heavy weights…….
they all are second tier…. I mean I would turn pro myself ……except I have this nasty hang nail.
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by the-gentle-way on Nov 9, 2010 3:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
i wish there was inflection online.
I didn’t mean that in a mean spirted way. In fact I love bullshitin with you guys online.
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
by the-gentle-way on Nov 9, 2010 4:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Tough indeed
The points you have made have certainly been respectable…but Roy surviving against a JDS onslaught is one thing but he did push back as the fight went on. Did he win a round against Dos Santos? No…but he did weather a storm few have come out of and didn’t just run and survive for three more rounds. There is a difference between the two fighters and that was obvious in Oakland but Roy proved he doesn’t curl up when he gets hit and at least for me…it showed that there may be more to Roy Nelson than I had originally thought. Awesome feedback by the way and I mean that all sincerely.
he certainly did
get utterly destroyed in that fight. there wasn’t any battling – more just surviving.
Agreed, I don’t see how anyone could find anything positive there for Nelson, except that he has a good chin. He got completely tooled, looked like shit compared to JDS, and took a ridiculous amount of damage..
by Horselover Fat on Nov 9, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
I give very few points for just having a hard head
I mean, so did Randall “Tex” Cobb, where is he on the ladder of history today?
Heh, Nelson is a must follow on Twitter. I hope he gets Lesnar next. Thats gonna be some good back n fourth smack talk for sure.
Anyone think it was Nelson who sent out feelers to WWE? Id watch him.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
“If you get taken the distance by Ruben “Warpath” Villareal then you have problems. If Brett Rogers is one of your Top 10 fighters in the world then I would be -37."
I can’t disagree, but it’s going to screw with my ballot this month. Great interview.
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Nate: When I banned Subo?
Luke: That was a good one.
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Roy Nelson
Can fighters stop mentioning the WWE.This is bad for the UFC when there fighters keep bring up a "fake"wrestling company.
by TERRENCEFROMSOUTHEAST on Nov 9, 2010 8:34 PM EST reply actions

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