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Unfocused Rampage: The End of the Quinton Jackson Era

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There are moments in life when you just know. When you hear what someone is saying to you, but you're too busy deconstructing their inner truths. When one's physical movements betray the struggle to mask one's emotions. I have many memories of such moments in near-perfect clarity. A girlfriend stumbling home with whiskey on the breath and a sloppy explanation on the lips. A father's quiet demeanor in a familiar McDonald's, moments away from changing the lives of his two sons. We understand before it's made explicit; it's a survival technique.

Quinton Jackson has long been a favorite fighter of mine. I remember sitting in a po-dunk sports bar just outside of my hometown for UFC 71. My friend and I were the only two people in the zipcode rooting for the chain-wearing, wolf-howling black dude from Memphis. I knew how this would end. I'd seen "Rampage" put a world-class hurting on Liddell in Pride. But the schadenfreude was just as sweet anyway.

Jackson came into that fight hungry. A reporter asked him what his number one concern was with Chuck Liddell. Rampage responded, "I don't want to kill him. It's a sport, I just hope he survives." Straightfaced. No hint of his usual jovial self. He walked into UFC 71 certain that he would leave with Chuck's belt.

Jackson's career took the rocky course of the teacher embarking on the Oregon Trail. He defended his belt in an oft-forgotten classic with Dan Henderson. A stint as a coach on the Ultimate Fighter ended with an overweight, pirate-legged Jackson losing a narrow decision to Forrest Griffin. He split with his trainer, Juanito Ibarra, and then temporarily split from reality during a bout with sleep-deprived and energy drink-fueled hallucinations about a Jewish carpenter. Dana White bailed him out of jail and thrust him into the Octagon for a third fight with Pride-nemesis Wanderlei Silva. He returned the favor to Dana by taking a fight with Keith Jardine. Jardine's hetero lifemate Rashad Evans challenged him in the Octagon, and Jackson found himself in his second stint on the Ultimate Fighter. He bailed on the epilogue fight to fulfill a dream of playing the part of B.A. Baracus on the A-Team. After fulfilling his film obligations, he returned to fight Evans looking slow, overweight, and rusty in the process.

When they meet at UFC 123Lyoto Machida will be the 39th fight in Quinton Jackson's career. A career that spans over ten years and three continents. A career that's seen Jackson corpse lying on ivory ropes with a Brazilian mad man standing above him with a Cheshire grin. A career that had him scrapping in a dog fight hobbled on one leg. A career that left him gasping for air and clutching his ribs slumped down in the corner of the ring.

So I know what Jackson means when he says, "At the end of the day, me, I really don't care if I win or lose, my main thing is a good fight." It's MMA's version of the Watergate non-denial denial. It's a death rattle - not of one's fighting spirit, but of one's drive to inch the boulder up the hill. It's an acknowledgement that one's best days have been lost to the spectre of Time.

I'd love to be wrong. I'd love for Quinton Jackson to regain the drive and focus he had in 2007. But that's a fire that can't be rekindled with movie scripts and a world-weary soul.

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I am kinda over Rampage. Too much talk not enough fight.

by DonkeyOatey on Nov 5, 2010 4:59 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd say not enough talk, not enough fight.

He was one of the few guys I’d look forward to hearing in an interview and see fight. He had some GREAT lines and insight. But since his spiral downward…

by Scootah on Nov 5, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Spot on!!

Completely agree!!

And for the record, let’s blame Kid Nate as it’s a Friday afternoon!

by JAYGK95 on Nov 5, 2010 5:00 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

i think he is the best when he wants it

like the guy who wrote this said the hunger. i have not seen it since he fought wandy he wanted to avenge his losses. he wanted to knock his head off. that is why even though i think he can’t do it. i want him to prove me wrong and he beats lyoto. just because he will be closer to a fight with shogun if he could get that fight. his blood will boil his anger will rise he will train the way he needs to. avenge his lost get his pride back. i think quinton is just tired of the media stuff what people are saying about him. he seems to have the same line. " if i knew people would want to run up to me all day just because i fight. i would have not done it. i would have done something else. i like to fight i just don’t like the other stuff."

by BIGNAT on Nov 5, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think this is the best piece of writing I've seen from you Mike.

Great job!

And I have to ask (I’m sure everyone wants to know, and since you brought it up), what did your father say to you and your brother at the McDonald’s?

"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"

by RearNakedChoker on Nov 5, 2010 5:04 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

I figured as much

I just wanted to hear it from the man himself.

Condolences brother, been in a similar situation. All for the best, though. :)

"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"

by RearNakedChoker on Nov 5, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's weird about the McDonalds Thing

Only because on September 11th that’s where the reality of it all hit me. I had been watching it all day at work and had to come home to take the kids to something at McDonalds and as they were doing there thing I was sitting on a bench looking up at the flag flying at half mast and that’s when it all sank in. Sorry for the off topic ramble but that’s the first thing I thought of when you said that.

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by dedstrk316 on Nov 5, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Thank God someone else asked...

I didn’t wanna be disrespectful…now I’ll just sit back and wait for Mike’s explanation….

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by Lulz McGee on Nov 5, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I didn't consider it disrespectful to ask since he brought it up...

…And when you read something like :

A father’s quiet demeanor in a familiar McDonald’s, moments away from changing the lives of his two sons

You just have to know what it was that he said.

"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"

by RearNakedChoker on Nov 5, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

“Son.. I am disappoint”

by Horselover Fat on Nov 5, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mike’s dad is Borat?

"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"

by RearNakedChoker on Nov 5, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not Borat

That’s all about 4Chan.

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by JD-KT on Nov 5, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please

Can someone please please tell me how to gif I’ve been trying to figure it out for months

by Bloodsport on Nov 5, 2010 7:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

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by Scott C. Broussard on Nov 5, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

None of your fucking business.

by Riney on Nov 5, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

It would be “none of my fucking business” if he had kept it to himself, but he didn’t. He put it out there in a public forum for everyone and their mama to see. I’m sure he expected someone to ask.

If it was too private or sensitive an issue, he likely wouldn’t have brought it up. I’m surprised at you Riney, I would have assumed you could have come to that conclusion on your own.

By the way, Mike’s a grown man. Let him speak for himself.

"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"

by RearNakedChoker on Nov 5, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was a joke,

yes he mentioned it so it was open to question.

by Riney on Nov 5, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dammit Riney!

I knew you knew better! I was pretty thrown off by your response based on what i’ve seen from you around here.

Help a brother out and throw a :P or a ;) up in there so there’s no miscommunications.

Now I feel like an asshole. :(

:P

"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"

by RearNakedChoker on Nov 5, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL so did I.

After I hit “post” i was like fuck me. I will have to apologize later for being an asshole! hahaha

by Riney on Nov 5, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's funny,

I was just recently discussing with my girlfriend about how there are so many miscommunications online, based on the lack of tone in text.

Just one more example. :)

"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"

by RearNakedChoker on Nov 5, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

People I know tell me my brutal honesty is refreshing but my sarcasm confuses people who don’t. Being online makes it even harder.

And TWSS before anyone else.

by Riney on Nov 5, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

TWSS?

"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"

by RearNakedChoker on Nov 5, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s what she said.

by 775assassin on Nov 5, 2010 7:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Nice.

Damn, I should have known that, as big a Michael Gary Scott fan as I am.

Thanks assassin. :)

"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"

by RearNakedChoker on Nov 5, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great stuff, Mike.

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by Leland Roling on Nov 5, 2010 5:06 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Fantastic article

Moving and heartfelt, the best kind of writing out there.

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by Worldisart on Nov 5, 2010 5:06 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

This ^

Thanks for the article and I agree. Rampage has long been one of my favorite fighters.

If Penn loses to Hughes on the 20th we may be writing his obituary as well.

It is a new era.

by truck on Nov 5, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I got Hughes in that fight.

Not because I think Penn is washed up, but because I think Hughes is on a whole different level of understanding right now.

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by ChicagoMarine on Nov 5, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s funny that you should mention that because it really “is a new era.” The PRIDE guys are in their thirties (with the exception of Shogun) and quite honestly are slowly losing to the younger fighters (Bader beating Lil Nogor Velasquez beating Big Nog for example. Anderson Silva though is still winning his fights). The fighters in the UFC of those days are like that too especially Liddell and Tito. I mean, there is still fight in these fighters (Franklin, Hughes for example), but I personally don’t get the impression that someone like a Rampage will get a Title again, and that thought is now reserved to the Jon Jones, Ryan Bader, Charles Oliveira, etc.

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by chrisbboy82 on Nov 5, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was really well-written.

Thanks for sharing your perspective.

by rzor on Nov 5, 2010 5:07 PM EDT reply actions  

This is a really special article. Heartfelt, eloquent and cut right to the bone of the issue.

by gzl5000 on Nov 5, 2010 5:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Fagan, I normally enjoy everything you write, but this is by far the best piece you’ve ever done (that I can remember). It’s spot on, to the point, introspective, and relevant. Good job.

by dropkick101 on Nov 5, 2010 5:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Well done

This is easily the best thing I’ve read on this site in a long time.

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by soxrule!35 on Nov 5, 2010 5:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Great read and I’m sure I’ll be the lone MMA For Real contributor that picks Rampage on November 20th, which happens to be my 30th birthday so he better win!

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by Charles Walker on Nov 5, 2010 5:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Jackson’s career took the rocky course of the teacher embarking on the Oregon Trail.

Pure gold. As long as his chin isn’t snakebitten, he could still make some noise. Machida is quite possibly the worst match up on Earth for him.

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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 5, 2010 5:12 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree about Machida

I have a feeling ZUFFA is going to continue putting him in fights that are bad match-ups for him at this point. Just milking his star power until it’s dry.

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by Chris Barton on Nov 5, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah, I think that’s the wrong way to look at it. They’re going to be putting him into match-ups consistent with his pay grade and his status in the rankings. That means fights with guys like Machida, Evans, Shogun, Forrest, etc. If those are “bad style match-ups” for Rampage, it’s simply what happens when you’re a highly paid, former champion with significant name value. You don’t get “easy” fights.

by dropkick101 on Nov 5, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you're misunderstanding me

and I agree with what you’re saying, if that’s actually what ZUFFA does. I don’t think that’s their plan, though. I think this fight was made to build Machida back up and get him more star power. I don’t think the goal is to get Quinton back to the top.

IF he loses this, I don’t think he’ll be fighting big names because of his pay grade. I think they’ll wait it out and match him up with guys that need a rub off the old star.

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by Chris Barton on Nov 5, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree partly with the second part, but it’s not going to be against random newbies or anyone towards the bottom end of the rankings. It’ll be prospects like Jones and Bader, or someone in a similar position, who is headed towards a title shot.

As for the first part, I don’t think this fight was made with any victor in mind at all. I think the UFC needed a main event to fill, and the fact that there are so many former champs at 205 means that they can put together compelling, non-title main events between the two. If Machida wins, he’s back at the top of the light heavyweight ladder. If Rampage wins, same deal. Either way, it works out good for the UFC.

I think your line of thought is consistent with what a lot of people were saying about Machida before he stepped into the cage with Shogun: that Machida is a bad match-up for everyone. Because of that, a lot of fans would argue that whoever they put in the cage with Machida was being punished or set up to lose (see: Tito Ortiz). But I don’t see that as the case. Just because a fighter like Machida is a tough match-up for most people because of his confusing style doesn’t necessarily mean whoever gets put in a fight with him is being set up to lose. Somebody has to fight the guy. This time it’s Rampage’s turn.

by dropkick101 on Nov 5, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

If they give him to Jones, they’re trying to punish him.

His days as a contender are behind him, as are those of Forrest, Franklin, Randy and the like – the only way any of them get a title shot is by giving them a path that does not include Machida, Rua (if he is no longer champ at the time) or Jones – all of whom are in a class of their own at 205.

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by BigDNotDallas on Nov 5, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still holding onto

your “glorified gate keeper” prediction?

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by The American Ronin on Nov 5, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha!

Been saying that since before the Rashad fight, and I have neither seen nor heard anything that leads me to believe otherwise.

After machida has his way with him, I suspect it will be a bit more obvious for others to see. Then, if they feed him to Jon Jones, that will be the final step, at which point many others will pile on in agreement.

Not unlike me calling Sonnen-Silva to play out almost exactly as it did, and getting bashed by many for “daring” to think that about Anderson.

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by BigDNotDallas on Nov 5, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he just needs to focus on fighting.

His style has not changed since Pride!

The best fighters adapt and learn how to win fights. ’Page still fights like he is the ’Page of 2006 and no one else has gained ground on him.

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by ChicagoMarine on Nov 5, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes it has.

It’s regressed. He used to be a wrestleboxer. Now he’s a boxer.

by Cunny on Nov 5, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

nothing to fear from a strong guy that you can misdirect and avoid.

by BIGNAT on Nov 5, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

But, is that because he doesn't want to wrestle...

… Or, because he goes into fights “half-ass’d”?

I’m not saying that Rampage is the ‘Page of old, but i am saying that this is not something that can’t be corrected with proper preparation and training.

If ’Page goes into this fight with a focused demeanor and a “chip on his shoulder”…

… I think he is top 5 contender.

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by ChicagoMarine on Nov 5, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he gets motivated and does the right things int he gym, he can still compete with anybody in the world. The losses to Rashad and Forrest don’t tell us anything about Rampage we didn’t already know. He isn’t the best wrestler on the planet, despite what some might argue, and he doesn’t always prepare as well as he can.

by dropkick101 on Nov 5, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m willing to write off the Rashad fight as an anomaly spurred by a long layoff and a movie role. However, Rashad is still a better fighter.

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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 5, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll agree. When it comes to striking, they’re pretty even, even if Rampage gets a slight edge. When it comes to wrestling and the ground game, Rampage ain’t got shit on Rashad.

by dropkick101 on Nov 5, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe...

Quinton’s hands are far better, but one could argue Rashad has more weapons in their aresenal when you factor in kicks. Still, if you threw them in for a kickboxing match I’d favor Jackson. It’s Rashads speed and shot that won him the fight.

As for the grappling, yep.. in every aspect.

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by JaeeJaee on Nov 5, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sad face

I hope you’re wrong. Love him and Machida both, I just don’t want to see Quinton check out unceremoniously.

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by Charles Awad on Nov 5, 2010 5:14 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I haven’t even posted, yet you knew what I was thinking.. eek!

by sadface on Nov 5, 2010 9:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Spared you the work d00d!

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by Charles Awad on Nov 5, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well done sir.

by troutki on Nov 5, 2010 5:19 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I'm a Rampage.. since his fight with Saku back in Pride.

I truley believe.. Rampage’s fall from the top was the worsed ever! Worse than BJ and Brock. In a two week span he went from being on top of the world.. UFC LHW Champ.. to spread out on the street with cops guns drawn on TMZ.. WTF! Then he loses, his mind.. I really hope in this next fight.. he can be vintage Page.. I miss that animal.

by PhilQNY on Nov 5, 2010 5:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Great Read!

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by hobbie on Nov 5, 2010 5:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Great article.

Makes me realize what a huge journey the current superstars of the sport have experienced. Well written, thought and emotion provoking and a bit nostalgic. Other contributors take note.

by Daveyboy on Nov 5, 2010 5:27 PM EDT reply actions  

When a fighter pleads to his opponent to consider the fans

I can hear the church bells ringing.

I hope he comes back and at least is competitive with Machida and manages a couple of good fights more. But I think he’ll get decisively outpointed if not knocked out and I’m not sure we’ll see him in the cage again.

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by Symbul on Nov 5, 2010 5:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Religion bashing is like nudity – as long as it’s tastefully done.

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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 5, 2010 5:31 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I agree. Rampage needs to come in more focused or he… wait… What?

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by ChicagoMarine on Nov 5, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

What the hell are you talking about Subo?

Nudity is always acceptable as far as I’m concerned.

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by Fake Emcee on Nov 5, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not

At a grade school.

by truck on Nov 6, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rampage is not a team player for the UFC, hence the reason hes being fed to Machida

by pandaboy99 on Nov 5, 2010 5:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Or maybe

Just maybe, it’s a logical path in matchmaking with both being top five fighters coming off a loss.

Not everything is politics.

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by Worldisart on Nov 5, 2010 5:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

This ^

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by ChicagoMarine on Nov 5, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

A comeback fight for a returning champion is hard as hell to book. Rampage made the most sense.

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by Neil Manich on Nov 5, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

We'll find out the UFC's opinion of him

Based on whether they feed him to Jones or not…

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by BigDNotDallas on Nov 5, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

The old gaurd is slowly

dying out in MMA. Hughes, Chuck, Wandy, Rampage and even BJ are all approaching the end of their careers. In a way it makes me sad thinking back on their epic fights that span the last decade. It also has me looking forward to the Aldos, Jones, and Cains of MMA today.

I really hope you are wrong but I think Rampages time has expired.

by Riney on Nov 5, 2010 5:35 PM EDT reply actions  

A top shelf Rampage will be missed.

There are still fights for Jackson even out of the title picture (Vera, Couture, Ortiz, a UFC-bound Arona?), the question is how many fights he has left on his contract?

by Graven Image on Nov 5, 2010 5:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Five

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by Worldisart on Nov 5, 2010 6:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

A Forrest rematch would be nice

A good step up in comp for either Bones or Bader. Lil Nog. There are tons of fights for Rampage, and not just old guys.

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by Neil Manich on Nov 5, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

DEFINITELY!

I’ve said that since the match ended!

That fight deserved a rematch early.

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by ChicagoMarine on Nov 5, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even Forrest said that after the fight – something along the lines “he hits like a mf which sucks ‘cause we’re gonna have to do this again”.

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by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Nov 6, 2010 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Finally, a good article not written to piss everyone off.

Mir, Aldo , Axe Murderer , Bones, Nightmare

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by MMA-UK on Nov 5, 2010 5:50 PM EDT reply actions  

I know, right?

Roling is just relentlessly trolling.

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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 5, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's getting insane

the “Rani Yahya vs. ‘Korean Zombie’ Chan Sung Jung” was a clear hit piece!

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by Chris Barton on Nov 5, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

It'd be really nice

If we could all get off the bash the writer meme.

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by Worldisart on Nov 5, 2010 6:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Because of timing.

Hey UFC4 go fuck yourself, how about that? Fucking punk, I was just asking for the source that says lesnar gets 5 mill a fight, it’s obvious one does not exist. Bunch of gabronis on a site pulling figures out of your ass.
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by ufc4 on Nov 5, 2010 8:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

nice!

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by the-gentle-way on Nov 5, 2010 10:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

so it’s only cool to slag off snowden in his own articles? Got ya.

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by MMA-UK on Nov 5, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looks at what I’ve written recently. Three interview pieces with Scott Coker, November fight preview, TUF piece. Yeah, just trolling all around.

by Jonathan Snowden on Nov 6, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with every word in this article.

Rampage just wants to be done fighting and make easy money. He even admitted it.

by destructivist on Nov 5, 2010 5:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Well written

My last bit of hope is that Rampage has always been emotionally up and donw. This could just be a momentary lull in his character.

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by Neil Manich on Nov 5, 2010 5:57 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree on a gut level. When the camera rolls on rampage now, I dont FEEL scared and excited. But werent these same questions being asked after his rampage on the street? He then came back to murder wanderlei

by jaybot on Nov 5, 2010 6:05 PM EDT reply actions  

But after that

He came back to have a close fight with Keith Jardine. I love Jardine but the guy was clearly on the downslope since the Wanderlei fight

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by sitnam90 on Nov 5, 2010 6:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Very well thought out and well-written article, not to mention right on the money. Congrats.

by dreamers_12345 on Nov 5, 2010 6:22 PM EDT reply actions  

It feels like Rampage is on the Cro Cop route

I was rooting for Cro Cop like crazy leading into the Mir fight, I was convinced that getting the win in a hard fought battle against Barry would spur him, ignite the flame again, and maybe he’d shed his more tentative ways and just start letting things go a bit more right off that bat. I wanted to see the killer that I knew only from archive footage, and never from live fights that I’d seen him in.

But in the Mir fight, one piece of Joe Rogan commentary put it best, and I’m expecting a variation of it to be uttered at one point during the Machida fight

‘This is not the Rampage that won the title by knocking out Chuck Liddell, this isn’t the Rampage that knocked out Wanderlei Silva’

CPG

by Chris Groves on Nov 5, 2010 6:30 PM EDT reply actions  

i hope rampage wins and proves you all wrong.

 seems easy to claim someones the next big thing (or era) and just as easy to write someone off, theres no shades of grey for mma apparently, they are/going to be the best, or they’re done.
 in some ways a agree as i see the icons of the sport that caught my attention and made mma what it is for me today slowly dissapearing and no new faces with such stature replacing them, but on the other hand, i can see why people like rampage and brock dont wanna listen to this crap every time they win or lose.

by Simon West on Nov 5, 2010 6:43 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

With Rampage, it's not all of a sudden though

He had a pretty damn close fight with Jardine. Then he not only decides to not fight Rashad, but he does it after filming a whole season where they came within inches of beating eachother’s asses…and he decides that he isn’t going to fight any more and that he’s just going to act.

Money convinced him to take the Rashad fight, and I’m sure hatred of Rashad contributed. He didn’t look great in that fight, and since, he’s been open about not wanting the Machida fight.

My hopes just aren’t high

CPG

by Chris Groves on Nov 5, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Amazing Mike

I have never read anything I agreed with so wholeheartedly

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by marta_gallo on Nov 5, 2010 6:46 PM EDT reply actions  

I know...

… It’s just so… sniff… beautiful!

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by ChicagoMarine on Nov 5, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel your pain Mike
So I know what Jackson means when he says, “At the end of the day, me, I really don’t care if I win or lose, my main thing is a good fight.” It’s MMA’s version of the Watergate non-denial denial. It’s a death rattle – not of one’s fighting spirit, but of one’s drive to inch the boulder up the hill. It’s an acknowledgement that one’s best days have been lost to the spectre of Time.

I’d love to be wrong. I’d love for Quinton Jackson to regain the drive and focus he had in 2007. But that’s a fire that can’t be rekindled with movie scripts and a world-weary soul.

& as much as I wish it wasn’t, this is entirely true…

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by MrTechnique420 on Nov 5, 2010 6:54 PM EDT reply actions  

No gifs, no pic for this one

This is great Mike.

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by Damon O. on Nov 5, 2010 7:22 PM EDT reply actions  

depressing.

Take rampages chin and chuck’s body and drive and you would have a wrecking machine.
I hope some inspiration finds jackson before the machida fight, he will definately be needing it.

by Goldendawn on Nov 5, 2010 7:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Great article

I am a huge Rampage fan, and I have always thought he had all the physical tools to become one of the very greats of the sports. He never really put it all together though, at least not consistently. It is sad to see him fight without the love for it anymore.

by schm1583 on Nov 5, 2010 7:32 PM EDT reply actions  

unfocused does not mean terminality

this is a well written piece that’s full of feeling, but its also kind of unfortunate in how it concretises a perception of Rampage, becoming a part of one more thing that he will need to fight. When you summarily pronounce the end of something, and all the well wishers start doffing their caps and throwing their flowers onto the coffin… do me a favour and check if the corpse is still alive!
I’m still with you Rampage. I know they mean well, but I’m not sure they see exactly how they nicely do gravity’s work for it…
i should say at the same time that the writing of the piece is very good, you uniquely conjure some of Quinton Jackson’s qualities, but i just think the pronouncement is a dangerous reality-maker and I for one, opt out of being part of it.
thanks.

'if you don't have humility as a fighter, fighting will bring humility to you...'

by rohedron on Nov 5, 2010 7:34 PM EDT reply actions  

It's true it doesnt ask the question, it makes a statement.

but with all the opinion articles I read on here… It’s nice to read one I might not agree with the conclusion but enjoyed reading it and take it in as a possibility.
The checking for a pulse before throwing flowers on the coffin was a well chosen comment. I still give him a chance against Machida

by JoePalooka on Nov 5, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Depressing but true

It’s unlikely Rampage has what it takes to defeat Machida, and more importantly, what it takes to recover from his likely loss.

by superflat on Nov 5, 2010 7:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Liddel telegraphs a Left and Rampage KO’s with a counter right hook. Machida telegraphs a left and Shogun KO’s with a right hook. He has what it takes but it prolly wont happen.

Even if he gets KO’d by LM for the 1st time in UFC, he still has the ability to fight the best guys, he just needs to train right. His confidence when he 1st go in the UFC was that he was finally “training right” now in his interviews he looks like he did right before he fought Shogun, out of shape and nervous, and I think for fighters, the two go hand in hand.

by JoePalooka on Nov 5, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's sad

Naturally talented guys gifted with ability and gifts like great chins show a lack of interest and questionable work ethic, like BJ Penn and Rampage

While guys that want nothing more to get in the cage in the hopes of putting on a great show and knocking someone out, like Chuck Liddell or Jardine, find themselves physically incapable of taking shots and pulling out victories.

CPG

by Chris Groves on Nov 5, 2010 7:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Great job Mike

I think this was one of the best post i have read on here. I am a huge rampage fan. I am calling the upset ko 3rd round.

by J smooth 420 on Nov 5, 2010 7:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Great writing!!

“When one’s physical movements betray the struggle to mask one’s emotions” It’s true. it’s easy took watch recent Rampage interviews and fights for that matter and say, he’s lost something – or that he’s trying hard not to say that he is fed up with the fight game..

I dont know if there’s a definite conclusion to draw from that though.

It’s the tone of someone being TOLD to do something, like by a parent or a boss.

So i’m not sure if it’s a career ending attitude, his years in pride showed different levels of effort fight to fight.

He looked absolutely ripped in his fights with henderson and liddel. He was so motivated then, hungry…
I’m surprised he doesnt seem more committed at redemption with Shogun, But I have hope for his future fights.

I think where CROCOP stalking aggressive which made him the fighter that he was changed after vicious losses. He’s not the same fighter he was because of that lost nature.

But it’s not hesitation (of being KO’d) which has changed the way he performs, it’s the way he trains that changes the way he now performs, He doesnt train as well tech. or physically like he did as champ, made a Hollywood movie and now talks about fighting without his trademark passion or humor. But perhaps it can get reignited like it did when he entered the UFC.

again man, great read.

by JoePalooka on Nov 5, 2010 8:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Styles make Fights

Machida deff looks like the more motivated, relaxed fighter going in. That aside..

If Shogun never slips that strain left from Machida, countering it with a right hook, Machida wins that round and who knows… Perhaps Joe Rogans “Machida Era” still seems like a long one, maybe he is still is considered striking magician/god.

The backing up, baiting, “drawing in” style of Machida seems tailor made for the plodding flat footedness of Rampage.

At the Same time, the slipping and countering with a KO ability of Rampage (see: Liddell, Silva) for the “chin up” telegraphed punching style of Machida (the way he go stopped his last fight) seems to show hope for Rampage.

I wouldnt be surprised if an unmotivated Rampage KO’s Machida, but I think Lyoto gets the win :(

by JoePalooka on Nov 5, 2010 8:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Machida was certainly winning that round

And applying hindsight, we know Shogun’s knee got messed up in the 2nd takedown Lyoto landed.

So it could be assumed that as time went on, that would only be a bad thing for Shogun.

But Shogun caught Lyoto coming in…that could have easily happened in any round after. Coulda, shoulda, woulda.

I’m very interested in a Machida-Shogun rubber match.

CPG

by Chris Groves on Nov 5, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome read Mike...

THX for the great write-up. I can only hope to see a return to form for Quinton, although I believe the movie industry is his new “passion.” Still ranked in the top 5-10 in the world and doesn’t seem to want it anymore. Damn… like THE REEM’s shirt says, “Wasted Talent” “What A Shame.”

by mrclark707 on Nov 5, 2010 8:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Fagan:

For 20k you can get Chris Rock to curse her out.

by TheFilt on Nov 5, 2010 8:38 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm not saying he will...

But if Page lands a big right hand on the Dragon and wins… what will we say about him then?

Good article though.

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by VelociAldo on Nov 5, 2010 9:01 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m not sure what we’ll say about Rampage but I guarantee there’ll be tons of people online talking about how bad Machida sucks and how he’s never beaten anybody good.

Hey UFC4 go fuck yourself, how about that? Fucking punk, I was just asking for the source that says lesnar gets 5 mill a fight, it’s obvious one does not exist. Bunch of gabronis on a site pulling figures out of your ass.
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by ufc4 on Nov 5, 2010 9:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

yep.

revisionist history. happens to all the greats, all the not so greats, and all the never-were-greats. It’s silly really. derp Tim Sylvia sucks he always sucked and was always the worst derp.

by Body Triangle on Nov 5, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I loved this article. I was happy to see Wand and Shogun destroy him in pride but loved it when he beat Chuck for a second time. I dont think he can handle Machida but looking forward to the fight no matter what the outcome.

by Swordstorm on Nov 5, 2010 11:24 PM EDT reply actions  

I talked to him on the phone

way back in the day when he gave out his fan line number.

He WAS a really cool guy.

Facts don't come with points of view.

by Robert Livingston on Nov 5, 2010 11:50 PM EDT reply actions  

You think Rampage will wear underwear or jean pants..

as his ring attire in WWE once his UFC contract expires?

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by TooLegitToQuit on Nov 6, 2010 1:27 AM EDT reply actions  

his was good but never the best

he was just the first to expose liddel, and that bought instant fame when did did it second time around

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by four20 on Nov 6, 2010 3:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Nice post. I’ve been getting the same feeling. His words and jokes suddenly became old, like an act that he’s constantly trying to recapture or something. His epic battles in Pride, (even when he was manhandled by Wand and Shogun) were things of beauty. His destruction of Chuck in Pride was perfection, and I never really liked Chuck, so watching Page take him again was priceless.
But alas, he’s going to lose a decision to Machida now, unless Machida can submit him. I’m surprised he even took the fight.

by Dooda on Nov 6, 2010 6:57 AM EDT reply actions  

It feels like Rampage is stuck between worlds right now. He’s sort of lost the fire for fighting and yet he’s still a fighter. He thought that movies were his thing, but then he lost the fire for that. So now what does he do? Just fights for the hell of it i guess. His relevance is starting to fade now. I hope he goes with grace and doesn’t try and force the jokes that seems to be the case lately. He seemed really funny before, now it seems like he’s forcing it.

by Dooda on Nov 6, 2010 6:59 AM EDT reply actions  

I share your concern about Rampage. Of recent, he seems rather dejected or unmotivated. I hope that I’m just reading too much into it.

Nevertheless, tell us more about:-

A girlfriend stumbling home with whiskey on the breath and a sloppy explanation on the lips

by higgledy-piggledy on Nov 6, 2010 9:54 AM EDT reply actions  

I still get shudders when I watch Rampage slam Arona.

He was a monster when he wanted to be. But I don’t think he has it anymore. I think Machida is going to clown him in the cage. He is going to look slow, sluggish. That doesn’t mean he won’t try to make it a fight; I think he’ll have his moments, but I think Machida is the far superior fighter, in both skill and will.

by pud333 on Nov 6, 2010 10:06 AM EDT reply actions  

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