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The MMA Encyclopedia Contest Winner: The History of Co-Promotion in MMA

Congratulations to "who me" who walks away with a free copy of The MMA Encyclopedia for this excellent fanpost. Honorable mention nods go to Raging NoodlesSquishingMachine, and Crazy Bones. Look for more chances to win all month at Bloody Elbow.

The issue of co-promotion in MMA keeps rearing its head, most recently with the talk of Bellator vs. Strikeforce, so I thought it would be interesting to go back and look at the history of major MMA organizations working with each other and how it turned out.

Pride and K-1

In 2002 Pride and K-1 teamed up to do a mixed MMA/kickboxing event(and a Jiu-Jitsu bout for good measure) PRIDE Shockwave/K-1 Dynamite. To say this was a huge event is a understatement, 91,108 fans flocked to Tokyo National Stadium for it. In the end Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira and Bob Sapp stole the show.

Result: While this wasn’t actually a MMA co-promotion as much as a mixed card co-promotion it did lead to FEG getting deeply involved with the sport of MMA and eventually Hero’s. It also started the yearly NYE Dynamite!! events from K-1, although this event wasn’t on NYE. From huge co-promotion success came direct competition. Dynamite!! 2004 was also a co-promotion of sorts with K-1 and New Japan Pro Wrestling.

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Pride and the UFC

The UFC sent Chuck Liddell over to Pride to fight Guy Metzger for Pride 14 and then sent Chuck and Ricco Rodriguez over for Pride Total Elimination 2003 with the idea that Chuck would fight Wanderlei Silva at the end of the tournament. Chuck went back to famously lose to Rampage at Final Conflict 2003. Randy and Tito also made appearances in Pride. No Pride fighters ever came over to fight in the UFC but in 2006 Wanderlei did make an UFC appearance to challenge Chuck Liddell. That fight never materialized and Wanderlei went on to be knocked out by Cro Cop in Pride.

Result: Chuck didn’t fight Wanderlei until the end 2007 after Wanderlei signed with the UFC. Dana claimed that Pride was supposed to return the favor for him sending Chuck to Pride but that never happened (and the rumors are numerous and varied on why this never happened). All in all this wasn’t as much a co-promotion as it was just Chuck Liddell making a couple of trips to Japan and the controversial Ricco vs Big Nog fight. If anything came out of this it may be Dana’s current dislike of the idea of co-promotion.

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EliteXC and FEG

K-1 and EliteXC got in bed together for the very memorable 2007 Dynamite!! USA show. See my previous fanpost for the details:

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/11/2/1789578/the-mma-encyclopedia-contest-dynamite-usa

Result: FEG hasn’t done a MMA show in the US since they laid that giant turd on our doorstep. EliteXC went on to bigger and better things, like going out of business and selling their assets to Strikeforce. Dream and EliteXC officially partnered to share stars but that never really got off the ground.

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EliteXC and Strikeforce

EliteXC opened up shop with their inaugural show, EliteXC: Destiny, in early 2007 featuring Frank Shamrock vs Renzo Gracie. There was just one problem; Frank Shamrock was under contract with Strikeforce at the time. Legal hijinks ensued and the two settled out of court by agreeing to co-promote two shows with Frank Shamrock. The first was EliteXC/Strikeforce:Shamrock vs. Baroni and the second was Strikeforce: Shamrock vs Cung Le.

Result: Strikeforce, got to have two of their early shows broadcast on Showtime and also made the connections that eventually led to them purchasing EliteXC’s assets and signing TV contracts with Showtime and CBS. EliteXC got out of being sued.

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EliteXC and Affliction

In late 2008 both companies were having issues and decided to work together on EliteXC: Heat on CBS. Affliction put Andre Arlovski vs. Roy Nelson on the card and also bought tons of advertising. It wasn’t as much a event co-promotion as it was EliteXC allowing Affliction to have a bout on their CBS card.

Result: EliteXC died shortly after this event so even though there were discussions of a more serious relationship between the two companies nothing else came out of this. Less than a year later Affliction slunk back to the UFC with their tail between their legs after Josh Barnett failed to get a fighter’s license from CSAC but who knows what would have been if both companies hadn’t fallen on their faces.

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Yarennoka!

On NYE of 2007 a group called the Yarenoka! Executive Committee put on a show that was supposed to be a farewell to Pride. The Yarenoka! Executive Committee was a group of former Pride executives. They were joined by FEG and Monte Cox’s M-1 Global. FEG also was doing it’s Dynamite!! 2007 show on the same night.

Result: The end result of this show was that the Yarenoka! Executive Committee went to work for FEG and Dream was born. Instead of a farewell it turned into a rebirth for Pride but Dream has never been able to quite catch that same magic that Pride did and the whole sport has nose dived in Japan in the last couple of years. The M-1 part of this fell off shortly after as Monte Cox’s M-1 became no more and M-1 Mixfight took their ball and went their own way. Fedor was at the press conference announcing Dream but he hasn’t fought for them since Yarennoka!.

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Dynamite!! 2009

FEG decided to do something special for Dynamite!! 2009 and co-promoted Dream vs. Sengoku as part of their big NYE card. The big deal here was that Dynamite!! 2009 would feature Satoshi Ishii vs.Hidehiko Yoshida as its main draw.

Results: Ratings were good (particularly for Ishii vs. Yoshida) but not as high as expected. Dream won the Dream vs. Sengoku inter-promotional contest but that was overshadowed by Shinya Aoki’s antics after his victory. Rumors have swirled of a second Dream vs. Sengoku event but FEG’s financial situation may spell the end of Dream. Sengoku parent company WVR is also not in the best of financial shape. Will Dynamite!! 2010 be the last hurrah for large scale MMA in Japan? Only time will tell.

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M-1 Global and Strikeforce (and earlier Affliction)

Some people would say this is more akin to extortion than co-promotion. The basic deal is that if a company wants to sign Fedor they have to agree to co-promotion with M-1 Global. To be fair M-1 had put some other fighters on the Affliction cards besides just Fedor but for the most part this has been a situation where in order to work with Fedor you also have to agree to get in bed with M-1 Global. Has Fedor been worth it? Sort of.

Results: After Affliction fell apart M-1 and Affliction ended up suing each other over their past dealings which tends to point to an unhappy result between the two, still Affliction wouldn’t have done as much business as they did without Fedor. Strikeforce scored a good rating on CBS with Fedor but then got the short end of the stick when Fedor didn’t appear on their second CBS card due to issues with M-1. Strikeforce did above average ratings on their Showtime event with Fedor but it wasn’t the ratings hit they expected. M-1 took a huge hit when Fedor lost to Werdum and Strikeforce and M-1 are back in the negotiation trenches trying to get Fedor a fight. The biggest winner out of the entire situation was Fabricio Werdum who went from UFC cast off to MMA hot commodity after he took Fedor out with a triangle a minute into their bout.

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Strikeforce and Dream

While not actually co-promoting with each other Strikeforce and Dream have agreed to share fighters and this arrangement has led to some very interesting match ups so I decided to throw this in here. This relationship has also seemed to of worked much smoother than any of the other agreements listed, which is probably because of Scott Coker’s past as a K-1 promoter.

Results: Due to the two organizations being in very different media markets and just sharing fighters instead of actually trying to put on shows together this relationship has been a good one for both companies. This has also allowed Strikeforce to sign some Dream fighters to Strikeforce contracts which will be good for Strikeforce if Dream doesn’t continue in 2011. The biggest issue so far has been Dream’s inability to pay many of its fighters in a timely manner, going into the future it will less likely that Strikeforce fighters will want to go to Japan to fight unless the payment issue is resolved.

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I’d add a wrap up paragraph about the current struggles of Strikeforce vs Bellator co-promotion. And maybe add something about Fedor likely never fighting in the UFC due to this issue and you’re gold. Solid article.

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by ChiCubs23 on Nov 3, 2010 3:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I was hoping this would spark a conversation about Strikeforce vs Bellator co-promotion (it hasn’t sparked anything so far).

As far as Fedor and the UFC, that’s an encyclopedia contest article in it’s own right….

by who me on Nov 3, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Deserved to win

Very thorough. Congrats who me.

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by thetakeover on Nov 7, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Should win.

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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 3, 2010 3:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Also, fantastic picture of how fucked Arlovski was before John Boehner’s Frankenstein saved him.

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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 3, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Missing some of the bigger shows in MMA history that were co-promotions.

by Jonathan Snowden on Nov 3, 2010 7:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Interesting piece though. Thanks for contributing.

by Jonathan Snowden on Nov 3, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which ones? It was sort of hard to do research at work and there really isn’t much out there on the really early events. I would like to know what I missed.

by who me on Nov 3, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, the biggest of all was K-1/PRIDE. Would start there.

Colosseum 2000 also worth a gander.

by Jonathan Snowden on Nov 3, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I found Pride Shockwave in 2002 K-1/Pride

Looking up Colosseum 2000, that’s a new one on me.

by who me on Nov 3, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Colosseum 2000 is kicking my ass on the internet. There are listing of the event and even some interesting clips floating around but I’m not finding a discription of the event. The internet has let me down, this is one for the professional journalist I guess.

Pride Shockwave was one I should of got though. Too late to edit but I will try to add something here it in the comments section. I left Yarennoka out as it was an odd one in terms of true co-promotion but now I am thinking it deserved mention due to the importance of the event.

by who me on Nov 3, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I give up on Colosseum 2000, I just don’t know enough to write anything at all about it and I can’t find any information on it. It’s too late to edit the actual post but I did write up something for Pride Shockwave and Yarennoka! that should of been in there. Hope that plugs the holes in the article.

by who me on Nov 4, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

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by S.C. Michaelson on Nov 3, 2010 9:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Here is one of the missing co-promotions(the one I shouldn't of missed)

Pride and K-1

In 2002 Pride and K-1 teamed up to do a mixed MMA/kickboxing event(and a Jiu-Jitsu bout for good measure) PRIDE Shockwave/K-1 Dynamite. To say this was a huge event is a understatement, 91,108 fans flocked to Tokyo National Stadium for it. In the end Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira and Bob Sapp stole the show.

Result: While this wasn’t actually a MMA co-promotion as much as a mixed card co-promotion it did lead to FEG getting deeply involved with the sport of MMA and eventually Hero’s. It also started the yearly NYE Dynamite!! events from K-1, although this event wasn’t on NYE. From huge co-promotion success came direct competition. Dynamite!! 2004 was also a co-promotion of sorts with K-1 and New Japan Pro Wrestling.

by who me on Nov 3, 2010 11:20 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Haha, ya, I clicked through JUST to chastise you for not having Shockwave 2002 on your list. For shame!

by CstBoog on Nov 7, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Add this to the post

Love that pic.

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by thetakeover on Nov 7, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

It was too late to edit when my mistake was pointed out to me but yea leaving that out the first time was a doosy on my part.

by who me on Nov 7, 2010 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

And the other one that should of been in there

Yarennoka!

On NYE of 2007 a group called the Yarenoka! Executive Committee put on a show that was supposed to be a farewell to Pride. The Yarenoka! Executive Committee was a group of former Pride executives. They were joined by FEG and Monte Cox’s M-1 Global. FEG also was doing it’s Dynamite!! 2007 show on the same night.

Result: The end result of this show was that the Yarenoka! Executive Committee went to work for FEG and Dream was born. Instead of a farewell it turned into a rebirth for Pride but Dream has never been able to quite catch that same magic that Pride did and the whole sport has nose dived in Japan in the last couple of years. The M-1 part of this fell off shortly after as Monte Cox’s M-1 became no more and M-1 Mixfight took their ball and went their own way. Fedor was at the press conference announcing Dream but he hasn’t fought for them since Yarennoka!.

by who me on Nov 3, 2010 11:57 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

The PRIDE LW GP was filled to the brim with guys from other promotions, all carrying their straps – Shooto and ZST were represented, and Yves Edwards was sent over by the UFC as their entrant too.

Lots of cross promotional stuff to discuss in MMA beyond just the promotions listed here. PRIDE also famously worked with KOTC in a relationship spanning a few years as well as co-promotion in Europe for the Bushido Europe event. Currently, ZST, Pancrase, and Sengoku have a talent agreement in place. That’s just stuff off the dome revolving about Japan. UFC used to have a really tight relationship with TKO/UCC also. Got to the point where TKO was running an UFC doppleganger cage before they folded.

by VirtualBalboa on Nov 4, 2010 10:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Also thought of K-1/ROTR and Shooto/Superbrawl while I was putting away dishes. Gladiator Challenge and KOTC are also really tight as far as regional level promotions go.

by VirtualBalboa on Nov 4, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s why I kept it to the major organizations. There is a lot of this that goes on with minor promotions. I also tried to just stick with actual “co-promotion” as opposed to just sharing fighters but some of those fighter sharing agreements were big enough deal that I included them. The limit was supposibly 1000 words (which I went over even before I added Pride Shockwave and Yarennoka!) so sticking to the big ones was a must. You could write a book on the smaller time organizations working together.

by who me on Nov 4, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

You could write a book on the smaller time organizations working together.

Please do. The lack of substantive MMA books is galling. I want them so bad and no one is writing them.

by Jonathan Snowden on Nov 4, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t even win a fan post contest to get your book(although I would settle for a MMA history article about Colosseum 2000), writing an entire MMA book is well beyond my knowledge base and ability level.

by who me on Nov 4, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look what happened though! Congrats

by Horselover Fat on Nov 7, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn’t think I had a chance, the other post were amazing and I ended up leaving a major event out of the post.

by who me on Nov 7, 2010 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

No one is getting anything until someone tells me what the hell “Colosseum 2000” is?

by John Nash on Nov 7, 2010 6:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

It's a mystery

The event does exist but I couldn’t find much of anything on the internet about it. I imagine in 2000 this was a pretty big deal of a fight card.

C2K – Colosseum 2000
Colosseum Colosseum
May 26, 2000 May 26, 2000
Japan
 
RESULTS RESULTS
 
Match Winner Loser Method Round Time
1 Yuki Kondo Saulo Ribeiro TKO (Punches) 1 0:22
2 Genki Sudo Andre Pederneiras Draw 1 15:00
3 Mario Sperry Hiromitsu Kanehara Decision (Majority) 2 5:00
4 Kiyoshi Tamura Jeremy Horn Decision (Unanimous) 2 5:00
5 Rickson Gracie Masakatsu Funaki Technical Submission (Rear Naked Choke) 1 12:49

 
http://www.sherdog.com/events/C2K-Colosseum-2000-368

by who me on Nov 7, 2010 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Co-promotion between bitter rivals RINGS and Pancrase.

by Jonathan Snowden on Nov 7, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I found Rickson Gracie vs Masakatsu Funaki on dailymotion:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xdo9d_rickson-gracie-vs-funaki-masakatsu

Man I would really love to see a professional write an article on this event as it has fallen between the cracks. Discovering stuff like this is like finding lost MMA gold.

by who me on Nov 7, 2010 7:34 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

This needs its own Fanshot.

Funaki’s entrance alone is just epic.

by sBruce24 on Nov 8, 2010 2:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I am only a semi-pro, but I’ll see about putting something together. Funniest part of the co-promotion was RINGS President slapping around the Pancrase President. It wasn’t a joyful time…

by Jonathan Snowden on Nov 8, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I see. Right away when the contest was announced I figured that considering how good the fanposts usually are, there’s no way in hell I’m going to win it, only possibly if I spend A LOT of time and effort on it, and then I might as well just buy the damn thing instead. Seeing how the posts turned out, I think I made the right choice.

by Horselover Fat on Nov 7, 2010 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I had a slow week at work last week. I actually started out doing a comedy piece celebrating me being suckered by Dynamite!! USA but that got me thinking about co-promotion stuff and I decided to do this, which turned out to be a lot more complicated to write than I thought it would.

by who me on Nov 7, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Congrats!

Don’t take this the wrong way, but I didn’t think you had a chance either. BE was overwhelmed by amazing articles and so many deserved to win.

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by Chris Barton on Nov 7, 2010 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

“Yves Edwards was sent over by the UFC as their entrant too.”

I don’t think so. I think the Pride Bushido GP coincided with the “Dark Ages” of the UFC LW division, when they scrapped it for a while. Yves two fights prior to his Bushido stint were in the “Euphoria” org. Yves didn’t fight in the UFC between his August 2004 fight with Josh Thomson, and his March 2006 fight with Mark Hominick.

So in short: I don’t think he was the UFC LW entrant, because the UFC had no LW division at that time.

by CstBoog on Nov 7, 2010 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Wikipedia would seem to back me up on that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_58#History

As a matter of fact, it seems that Edwards/Thomson was the last UFC LW fight before it’s Dark Age, and Edwards/Hominick was on the first UFC card of the division’s return.

by CstBoog on Nov 7, 2010 7:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Zuffa did arrange for Yves to compete in Pride. He confirmed it to me in an interview last year.

by Jonathan Snowden on Nov 7, 2010 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I would sell

2 of my kids for your access to the MMA community.

by Riney on Nov 7, 2010 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t know about two of them but I’ve got a teenager who’s been a pain in the butt and the sheer amount of access/information he gets is incredible……..

by who me on Nov 7, 2010 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Interesting.

Any further details?

I mean, surely Yves didn’t need Zuffa’s blessing or permission to fight in Japan, since they couldn’t very well book him in fights themselves when they trashed the division.

Was it more of a “ya, sorry we killed your division. You’ve always been an exciting fighter for us, so we’ll throw you a bone and do a bit of lobbying to get you a spot in the Pride LW GP.”?

by CstBoog on Nov 7, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Well done on winning man. I personally preferred a couple more but this was by far the best researched and most informative. Congrats.

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by MMA-UK on Nov 7, 2010 5:23 PM EST reply actions  

Interesting, but Chuck Liddell knocked out Guy Mezger at Pride 14.

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by Brian Mayes on Nov 7, 2010 5:30 PM EST reply actions  

Don’t think the UFC sent him for that one either. Will see what my notes say. Like the presentation of this one though.

by Jonathan Snowden on Nov 7, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Pretty sure Zuffa sent Chuck over there for that one. Dana went with him IIRC.

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by Brian Mayes on Nov 7, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

But did he go as the UFC president, or as Chuck’s manager and friend?

by castleeb on Nov 7, 2010 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

UFC President Zuffa bought the UFC four months before PRIDE 14.

by MattParker117 on Nov 7, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

He stopped being Chuck’s manager when he became president of the UFC.

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by Brian Mayes on Nov 7, 2010 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

You are right that was a misprint. I’m not sure if that was a Zuffa move or not as the event was very close to when they bought the UFC , it may of been Chuck picking up a fight. I put it in there (and mistyped the event number, doh…)because it was significant from a Dana and Chuck goes to Japan point of view and whether it was official or not it obviously was Dana trying to get a door to open.

by who me on Nov 7, 2010 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I hadn’t even read this before (sorry), but it was really good. The only thing that annoyed me was that you write “could of” where it should be “could have” in a few places. “Could of” is not.. good. Other than that, good post, congrats on the book and front page treatment!

by Horselover Fat on Nov 7, 2010 5:32 PM EST reply actions  

This is the only one I didn't have time to read

I’m glad it won so I had a chance to read it. They were all freaking great and all of you should be proud of your work. It would be nice to possibly have a front page post with all the links to the posts included.

I just got both of your books Snowden and I can’t put the first one down. It’s freaking fantastic. My uncle is a writer. I wonder if I could do the research for a book and have him write it with me to get my feet wet?

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by dedstrk316 on Nov 7, 2010 5:44 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Yes, one front page post with all links would be great...

…..we’ve all got a few friends still clinging to Boxing and even WWE, might as well forward them one great post with links to all this great fan-driven MMA writing….seriously, all of the entries were ridiculously well conceived and executed….congrats to who me, and all others…

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by BrothersGottaAndyHug on Nov 7, 2010 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Clinging seems so condescending

People like what they like. I do agree that it would be a good idea to have a post full of MMA links though.

by black dragon on Nov 8, 2010 8:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough...

….I didn’t intend to be condescending….Boxing certainly still has it’s exciting moments, and I certainly don’t begrudge those who are avid followers of WWE….my bad…..I guess I’m just surprised by those I am unsuccessful in trying to try the MMA waters….

by BrothersGottaAndyHug on Nov 8, 2010 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

It's all good

It’s just sometimes we get so passionate about getting others to like we like that we inadvertantly say things that could be construed as condescending or pretensious.

by black dragon on Nov 9, 2010 8:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Congrats – the right one won

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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 7, 2010 5:54 PM EST reply actions  

this one was good

I am a huge Big Nog fan. Soooo I am kinda particular to the crazy bones entry.

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by the-gentle-way on Nov 7, 2010 6:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Nice article. This was about what I was looking for because co-promotion comes up often.

I’d like to also put these match ups in context. Where are the companies at for their popularity and profits?

by Rufford on Nov 7, 2010 6:10 PM EST reply actions  

First post

Good article an enjoyable read Congrats on the win well done

by Bigdrunkendisgrace on Nov 7, 2010 6:16 PM EST reply actions  

This was a great week of fanposts. First time I can remember where there were almost too many “must reads” to keep up with.

by John Nash on Nov 7, 2010 6:25 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

This was a great week of fanposts

a list of the best would awesome as to be honest i’m not gonna search for them

by Bigdrunkendisgrace on Nov 7, 2010 6:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Congrats!

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by Scott C. Broussard on Nov 7, 2010 6:35 PM EST reply actions  

Congrats who me

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by Tim Burke on Nov 7, 2010 7:03 PM EST reply actions  

Sweet article

Congrats!

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by Rainer Lee on Nov 7, 2010 7:25 PM EST reply actions  

old man wins

congrats sir.

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by vivero on Nov 7, 2010 7:54 PM EST reply actions  

Who me, great job and congratulations!

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by RagingNoodles on Nov 7, 2010 8:06 PM EST reply actions  

That fight with Page and Chuck was almost comical. In the Octagon you have all the space in the world to circle and counter, in the ring you end up in the corner eating power shots to the face. The end where Page is methodically hitting Chuck with power shots was brutal.

by Dooda on Nov 7, 2010 10:11 PM EST reply actions  

Kudos sir

You deserve the win.

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by Rundownloser on Nov 7, 2010 10:58 PM EST reply actions  

Eddie went to Dream through their deal with EliteXC originally. I don’t think Bellator actually has an agreement with Dream I just think Eddie has fights left on his Dream contract and Bellator had to let him go over for that. There are lots of guys who have contracts that will allow them to fight other places with company approval, that’s not co-promotion though.

by who me on Nov 7, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

If I am not mistaken Yves Edwards was also sent over to pride buy the UFC to be in the The Bushido Lightweight Tournament , He beat Mishima then lost a split decision to Hell Boy which was a great fight.

by Shocbomb on Nov 8, 2010 1:44 AM EST reply actions  

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