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Book Review: The MMA Encyclopedia

The MMA Encyclopedia

The MMA Encyclopedia is hands down, no contest the best single volume reference work yet written on Mixed Martial Arts, Pride and the UFC.  It's a very fun read too.

Co-written by Bloody Elbow's own Jonathan Snowden and Kendall Shields with photographs by Peter Lockley, The MMA Encyclopedia is the kind of book that can hang out on your coffee table for months and provide five minutes of infotainment each and every time you pick it up. 

In fact the damn thing is so distracting that the review has taken me much longer than it should have simply because every time I pick it up to double check something I end up getting sucked in for 15 minutes at least. Want to explain the essence of Evan Tanner or Phil Baroni to a friend who's beginning to learn the sport? Hand them The MMA Encyclopedia, it'll give them the quick and dirty breakdown you were struggling with and add a couple of funny anecdotes too. 

This isn't your grandfather's encyclopedia, long on charts and stats and low on color. No, it's co-written by the inimitable Mr. Snowden and his unique knack for the sly aside peppers the book with comments that inform, enlighten and infuriate all at once. 

Of course it's not perfect, that's not possible in a book like this. A few favorite legends are left out -- Erik Paulson and Igor Zinoviev are the two I noticed -- there are a couple of inaccuracies and most impossible to fix, the book is fighting a losing battle against time as new fights happen, new stars emerge, old legends collapse and it's not possible to keep current. 

Nevertheless, The MMA Encyclopedia shows nothing as much as the real value of the book format even in 2010. Sure I have the whole internet at my fingertips and can always find updated information, but I can't take it to bed for a relaxing 10 minutes of MMA reading before turning out the lights. Nor does my laptap make for satisfactory crapper company the way The MMA Encyclopedia does. 

All in all, it's a fine book and an excellent Xmas present for the MMA fan on your list. 

Disclosure: I was given a free review copy. Score!

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I’ll review it, if it means a free copy. :) Snowden, let’s make it happen.

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by Geno Mrosko on Nov 27, 2010 4:21 PM EST reply actions  

Have Thomas send me an email and we’ll make it happen.

by Jonathan Snowden on Nov 27, 2010 4:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Ay Snowden,

how would I go about sending you an email or something? I had some questions I was wanting to ask you about the book before I go buy a million copies of it next week.

by Dustin Luff on Nov 27, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Nor does my laptap make for satisfactory crapper company the way The MMA Encyclopedia does.

Easily in the top ten endorsements of all time.

by Rufford on Nov 27, 2010 4:40 PM EST reply actions  

Beat me to it

best book review evah

I'm the best ever. You're the most average in a minute.

by slapjaw ackrite on Nov 27, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Stupid question, I know..

But is there a section on Melvin Guillard? If so, I’m definitly buying it for Christmas..Lol.

by Dustin Luff on Nov 27, 2010 4:42 PM EST reply actions  

sadly no

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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 27, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

that's how i felt when Igor Zinoviev

wasn’t in there. that ruined a perfectly good shit.

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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 27, 2010 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I would feel your pain Nate..

but I honestly have no idea who Igor Zinoviev is. :P

by Dustin Luff on Nov 27, 2010 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I had to look it up and… Wing Chun meets MMA..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMqbW0MnYMg

by Rufford on Nov 27, 2010 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Igor was a key player

He was the first athlete to beat a BJJ black belt in a modern MMA competition in the states, Mario Sperry. see that fight here. He went on to rule the Extreme Fighting 200lb division until its end, destroyed Shooto champ Enson Inoue (back before Inoue tapped top wrestlers Royce Alger and Randy Couture and gave Frank Shamrock the war of his life), then lost to Frank Shamrock in one of the most dramatic slams in MMA history. That fight ended Igor’s career. He was a Russian judo/kickboxing guy who was tough as nails. You kids need to read some of my MMA History series: From Russia With Leg Locks for example. Also watch his

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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 27, 2010 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

i bought the E.Fighting dvds at big lots for $1

It was a good day for deals. Its got Sperry, Ralph Gracie, Renzo, and Judo Jeans first black belt(don’t remember his name but dude could fight) extreme fighting was Carlson Gracie’s version of Rorion Gracie’s UFC. All the Barra boys fought in it.

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by the-gentle-way on Nov 27, 2010 11:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

did you get EF 3 & 4?

those are hard to find but have some great fights.

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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 28, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Is the author Snowden the same person

who attempted to blame A.Silva’s lack of popularity and draw on the color of his skin,
(when it was crystal-clear MMA fans including me detested him for his lackluster performance against Maia)

the same writer who ‘claimed’ to solved the mystery puzzle that is MMA sponsorship money based on a couple lines from some interview,(OK he did half-heartedly apologize, I’ll give him that)

the same journalist who wrote a real-weak, almost pointless, super-short article on “breaking down”(or just listing three martial arts for each w/o any reason) the styles of the elite MMA fighters,
only to confuse readers ‘cause people had different ideas about the fighters’ “base” and after all most elite fighters have the same multiple disciplines..

The same Snowden(well, Kid Nate as well) who posts articles of knee-jerk reaction every time a very popular elite fighter(ie: is Brock Lesnar done?, Is wrestling as not effective as we once thought? not exact titles) loses?

It is somewhat understandable ’cause your priority is to generate more traffic for the site, (I believe Snowden got over 300 comments for that article alone, congratulations!)

But at what point do we say
“Hey man.. you’re taking this a little too far, You’re not wrong but it’s just not necessary.”
=================
I work at a bookstore part-time and I see copies of his book (spanking new, completely sealed) at Martial Arts section..

I’ven’t had a chance to read the book (‘cause the book’s completely shrink-wrapped)
I can’t judge a book based on the cover, the cliche title or the amateurish posts by Snowden.

But why should I or any bookstore staff or ANYBODY recommend this book to casual and hardcore MMA fans? Is Snowden a legit part-time writer or just a fanboy like all of us?

Go look at Snowden’s article on “breaking down the styles of top MMA fighters”(not the exact title) and are you convinced Snowden is for real?

Why don’t you enlighten me and the people on BE board? Is the book worth the money?

by griffith9 on Nov 27, 2010 5:09 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Whatever you think of his posts, the interviews and historical are excellent. The commentary on current events is hit or miss inflammatory.

by Rufford on Nov 27, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Correct me if i’m wrong, but I believe he has written and sold books covering MMA before ever becoming a staff member here. So to answer your question I think he is a legit part-time writer if not a full-time author.

by AHutch on Nov 27, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow, like how you at least supported your argument.

by disinferno06 on Nov 27, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

The book isn’t shrink wrapped anywhere I am aware of. Take that for what it’s worth. Tells me something about what is going on here.

by Jonathan Snowden on Nov 27, 2010 5:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I'm just curious if you can name the bookstore

or the city or upload a photo of the book in shrink wrap. I think you’re lying and I know you’re a troll.

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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 27, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

also

on the articles you reference, link or shut the fuck up. Some of those articles are familiar, if viewed through a very distorted lens, but some of them are news to me.

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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 27, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I like how (when talking about Snowden's Silva article) people act as though everyone was in love with Silva before the Maia fight

Or even the Cote fight.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Nov 27, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

and of course

MMA is an island of enlightened sentiment that is totally immune to racism which of course plays no role ever in how fans respond to the fights.

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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 27, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Or sexism, you c*nt

or sexual orientationism, f*g

MMA’s primary audience are young straight White Christian men. Any discussion of -isms brings some of them outside of their bubble of insensitivity. That’s why a lot of people still remember that article even though Jonathan’s had much more “inflammatory” ones since.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Nov 27, 2010 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought the trilogy of BJ Penn articles brought a larger shit storm and had no real isms to it. Just “crapped” on some peoples’ favorite.

Snowden is better than an ism.

by Rufford on Nov 27, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea, but no one remembers those

EVERYONE almost everytime they whine about Snowden brings up that Anderson Silva article.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Nov 27, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t and I’ve been whining about Snowdens so called “opinion pieces” a LOT.

Still, some of his other stuff is very good and I have no doubt he is capable of delivering a great book. I’ll just never be able to trust him again after the opportunistic stuff he wrote here. Else I would’ve bought his “Total MMA” a while ago already.

To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.

by KGNLuc on Nov 27, 2010 8:21 PM EST up reply actions  

No matter what you think of Snowden, “Total MMA” is a good read.

"Everytime I start talking about boxing, a white man gotta pull Rocky Marciano out of their ass!"

by Brian Mayes on Nov 27, 2010 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t really doubt that. Just after reading him here I would always think: “is that really how it is? Or just his oppinion? Or just sationalizing history?” about everything slightly controversial or oppinionated in the book. You need a basic level of trust in an author and mine towards Snowden is just shattered. On here, where his stuff is for free and whining about it is half the fun, that’s ok. But when I want to read about MMA history, I’ll just have to wait for someone else’s book and hopefully I’ll know nothing about the author ;)

To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.

by KGNLuc on Nov 27, 2010 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

“sensationalizing”…that was the word…

To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.

by KGNLuc on Nov 27, 2010 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough.

"Everytime I start talking about boxing, a white man gotta pull Rocky Marciano out of their ass!"

by Brian Mayes on Nov 27, 2010 8:42 PM EST up reply actions  

i remember them >:-(

Btw Snowden, ha ha Hughes got ktfo!!!

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by the-gentle-way on Nov 27, 2010 10:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

wouldn’t it just be orientation?

by disinferno06 on Nov 27, 2010 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ll say this: I’ve read articles and posts by Snowden since probably 06 and I can’t say I agree with most things that he says, to say the very least. However, his first book was excellent and I expect good things from the encylcopedia. I try to think of book-author Snowden and internet guy Snowden as two different people, it really helps.

by ddevil on Nov 27, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

shut the fuck up!!!! now i normally dont rant about other peoples opinions (check my history)

but i am a fan of Snowdens books and articles. Your opinion absolutely pissed me off and i think virtually everything you said is a bunch of horse shit. And why the fuck is this book shrink wrapped???
you retard!!!
By the way, please dont ban me. I am usually not like this.

by purplehazelett on Nov 27, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

“shut the fuck up” never works on the Internet.

by Rufford on Nov 27, 2010 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

name calling is a violation of BE policy

but in this case I’m letting you slide.

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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 27, 2010 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

HYPOCRITE

Just kidding, fuck that guy.

Sorry.

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by James Brady on Nov 27, 2010 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Nate is nothing if not flexible.

Hey UFC4 go fuck yourself, how about that? Fucking punk, I was just asking for the source that says lesnar gets 5 mill a fight, it’s obvious one does not exist. Bunch of gabronis on a site pulling figures out of your ass.
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by ufc4 on Nov 27, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

But I heard there was zero tolerance policy around these parts!

To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.

by KGNLuc on Nov 28, 2010 4:46 AM EST up reply actions  

for threats

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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 28, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

You need smilies, don’t ya? :)

To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.

by KGNLuc on Nov 28, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Aren’t most books shrink wrapped, when delivered?

To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.

by KGNLuc on Nov 27, 2010 8:22 PM EST up reply actions  

No. Big pallets sometimes arrived bundled for safety. Almost no books are individually wrapped.

by Jonathan Snowden on Nov 27, 2010 8:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Really? Odd. In the bookstore I go to, the books in the shelves are all non-wrapped but when I have to order on to be delivered to the store it’s almost always wrapped. So I kinda thought they arrive wrapped and then get unwrapped…thinking about the amount of books there though, I feel that maybe that assumption was not very logical. ;)

To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.

by KGNLuc on Nov 27, 2010 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually, given the distributor for Ecw Press (Independent Publisher’s Group) there’s a decent chance the books are arriving individually wrapped. What’s weird, though, is there’s no issue with returns for wrapped books from IPG (some publishers won’t accept unwrapped books back; IPG does), so the store should be unwrapping the books or, at least, one of the books so customers can give it a look see. Unless it’s a chain and they aren’t paying attention.

A lot of photo-heavy books are shrink-wrapped and a good number from university presses are as well.

by Tom Flynn on Nov 28, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

i completely disagree.

i am also sorry for the language i used about griffith9. i just think he is a troll and is trying to make snowdens book sound less than credible.
i also think that ’fanboy’writers are the best kind.

by purplehazelett on Nov 27, 2010 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

The cliche title? Really?

You mean ‘’The MMA Encyclopedia’’ is a bad name for the very first encyclopedia on MMA? You sound like a book reviewer for a big newspaper who cares more about sounding smart and sophisticated than about the book.

by ThomasJ92 on Nov 28, 2010 4:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Snowden does do a good job

interviewing fighters but sometimes his stuff makes me wonder

“why does he have to take his articles in “that direction”?
“Has he caught the Tomas Rios bug?”
“Does he actually believe what he writes or does he heavily take into consideration that he needs to drive up traffic for BE?)

His race-based article on A.Silva angered me a little bit when he pretty damn well knew why people just couldn’t fall in love with to A.Silva After the fight with Maia.(or with Cote or Leites)

by griffith9 on Nov 27, 2010 5:19 PM EST reply actions  

If anything, Rios is being Snowden. Rios ain't wrote no books

I understand completely where Snowden comes from as people accuse me (like him) of purposefully writing articles to get attention and traffic. That just isn’t the case. Just happen to have strong opinions about MMA and the business of MMA..

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by S.C. Michaelson on Nov 27, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah but Snowden’s proven he can actually do much better and just choses not to deliver that quality on a consistent basis.

To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.

by KGNLuc on Nov 27, 2010 8:24 PM EST up reply actions  

You can disagree with his points, but his pieces are almost always written well

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by S.C. Michaelson on Nov 27, 2010 8:48 PM EST up reply actions  

If “written well” to you is just “well articulated”, then yes. To me, that is not all I expect.

To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.

by KGNLuc on Nov 27, 2010 8:50 PM EST up reply actions  

That is one aspect of well-written, there are others

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by S.C. Michaelson on Nov 27, 2010 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Why didn't everybody loved him before those fights

and bought his PPVs?

He was (and still is) the best and most exciting fighter in the world, with a very “fan friendly” style.

by Henrique on Nov 27, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Both books are fantastic

Well worth the money and I HATE to read books.

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by dedstrk316 on Nov 27, 2010 5:44 PM EST reply actions  

Good book, but not an encyclopedia

The term “encyclopedia” implies an unbiased and fact based account, unfortunately for people expecting such a treatment, this book is more the author’s personal viewpoint on MMA, fighters and events. A decent read, but in no way an encyclopedia.

by aTn on Nov 27, 2010 6:08 PM EST reply actions  

The term “encyclopedia” does not imply anything unbiased. Either way, you didn’t just lay on all of us some knowledge we weren’t aware of before, we know that it is a great reference of MMA history but not presented exclusively as an “encyclopedia,” considering the fact that it’s an authored book. Everybody here knows what to expect.

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by James Brady on Nov 27, 2010 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Great Expectations

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by S.C. Michaelson on Nov 27, 2010 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he is right to assume that some people will expect an encyclopedia to be fact based and not a personal viewpoint on a multitude of subjects / persons or whatever.

To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.

by KGNLuc on Nov 27, 2010 8:27 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not an actual "encyclopedia."
Either way, you didn’t just lay on all of us some knowledge we weren’t aware of before, we know that it is a great reference of MMA history but not presented exclusively as an "encyclopedia," considering the fact that it’s an authored book.

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by James Brady on Nov 27, 2010 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Your comment assumes that it must be apparent to everyone this is not a “real” encyclopedia. I however agree wit aTn that some people could have a misconception of what the book offers because of its title and therefore him mentioning it was valuable input. The end.

To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.

by KGNLuc on Nov 27, 2010 8:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol. “The end,” means everything is done, then? Either way, since you don’t seem to be wise to this knowledge: it’s not an encyclopedia. There, I let you know that fact. aTn’s comment would be helpful if it wasn’t layered with “waaaaaaaah I didn’t research before I bought something.”

A little research goes a long way. I don’t understand why you’d spend fifteen bucks without knowing what you were spending it on.

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by James Brady on Nov 27, 2010 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

snowden's facts

are rarely in question, any mistakes are minor.

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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 27, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll be picking this up when money isn't so tight

Just barely got my electricity turned on, so I have some other priorities, but I’ll find a way to endorse this in a blog post on SB Nation Bay Area. Maybe in my magazine, too.

Can’t wait to check it out.

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by James Brady on Nov 27, 2010 6:09 PM EST reply actions  

“Nor does my laptap make for satisfactory crapper company the way The MMA Encyclopedia does.”

Never have I seen such blistering praise for a book of prose.

by Mike Fagan on Nov 27, 2010 6:50 PM EST reply actions  

Say what you want about Jon's controversial articles

But Total MMA and MMA Encyclopedia are both must haves. I’m happy I have both and have recommended Total MMA to friends. I’ll be doing the same with the Encyclopedia.

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by Matthew Roth on Nov 27, 2010 7:17 PM EST reply actions  

Nate, I’m thinking maybe you shouldn’t have reviewed this book because of your close connection to J-Snow and his work on this site. For newspapers and such it’s usually customary to have a guest writer review works of employees of said publications, as I’m sure you’re aware. I’d be interested to hear your opinion on this potential bias situation, if it’s something to take into consideration for your site at this point in time, or if it’s a non-issue as far as you’re concerned. Please note that I’m not accusing you of anything here, I trust your integrity, it’s that just personally I’m very cautious and iffy about these kinds of things.

I’m sure it’s a fine piece of work and I’ll be looking forward to acquiring it and Total MMA once my economic situation is more stable, I’m really enjoying Snowden’s work on BE and I’ve only heard good things about the books.

by Horselover Fat on Nov 27, 2010 7:25 PM EST reply actions  

that's an understandable point of view

I disclosed that Jon writes for the site and that’s really the same as going through some elaborate charade to outsource the review to someone that would give it a favorable review because I’m not running a slam on this fine book. I don’t even think true editorial objectivity exists.
We have a conflict of interest, we disclosed it. That’s all we can do.

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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 27, 2010 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

That is not all you can do

The alternative is not to “through some elaborate charade to outsource the review to someone that would give it a favorable review” but to give it to a writer you know will give it an unbiased review and live with the result, positive or negative. Saying “the only two options I see were paying someone for a positive review or praising it myself so I chose the cheaper one!” is quite weird. Plus, there’s the other option: do not review it at all. Just tell your readers the book is out and what it is about without any judgement on quality. That woul probably have been the best way here, IMO.

To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.

by KGNLuc on Nov 28, 2010 4:55 AM EST up reply actions  

 I’m really struggling to see where you came up with the idea Nate was considering paying someone to write a positive review and did it himself because it was cheaper.

by Jonathan Snowden on Nov 28, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

It was a deliberate exaggeration of what he said to make the underlying issue clearer: that the option he mentioned were “i do it myself” which to him equaled “going through some elaborate charade to outsource the review to someone that would give it a favorable review” – because after all he had already concluded it was a fine book and would therefore not accept a negative review (aka someone “slamming” it). That is not exactly the way the question wether or not to contract a third party for the review should be approached if objectivity is your aim, don’t you agree? And as I’ve pointed out below it certainly is not the only or even best option for a journalist in his position.

To be clear about this: I am not saying your book sucks (I don’t know but my guess would be, it’s rather good). I’m not saying Nate was bought or anything. I disagree strongly with his nonchalante depiction of how this review was handled and the “That’s all we can do”-conclusion because it is clearly not “all you can do”. Not even half-way there.

To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.

by KGNLuc on Nov 28, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

mmm

I wouldn’t be paying a one time poster.
there have been plenty of times someone I liked sent a book to review and it wasn’t good. I just didn’t review it. My purpose with the book reviews is to alert my readers to books I enjoyed. Jon’s books have both been treats.
If you think I’m lying to help him drum up sales, fuck off and die.

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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 28, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s not what I meant and certainly not what I said. What I did say is that your post makes it sound like it’s either “you review it yourself” or “have someone else review it positively”. Those are the only two options you presented. And I’m saying: no, if you want to handle this in the ethically correct manner (for a journalist), you’d either refrain from endorsing or condemning the book due to your connection to Snowden or you will hand the book to a reliable, neutral third party.

I’m not even saying you’re biased – I think one can be perfectly capable of an objective review even if it’s a friends book. But I think your answer to “Horselover” was making a trifle of what, from my point of view, was a valid point and a serious matter of (journalistic) principle.

Thanks anyway for handling my post as professionally as the review…what am I saying: even more so! :)

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by KGNLuc on Nov 28, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

You enjoy Ariel Helwani interviews don't you?

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by S.C. Michaelson on Nov 28, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Weird reply…but: besides Ariel Helwani seeming like more of a company man than Rich Franklin at times: yes, I do. ;)

To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.

by KGNLuc on Nov 28, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay, that’s fine. Thanks for answering.

by Horselover Fat on Nov 28, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

there are a couple of inaccuracies

I bought the book several days ago. No offense Snowden (or Nate), but whoever fact checked this book needs to be taken out behind the barn and shot.

Michael Bisping beat Wanderlei Silva at UFC 110? (Bisping lost)

Lyoto Machida beat Sokoudjou at UFC 74? (it was UFC 79)

Bruce Buffer is Michael Buffer’s stepbrother? (they’re half brothers)

Murilo Bustamante beat Sanae Kikuta at UFC 33? (he lost to Chuck Liddell at that event)

Randy Couture lost to Brock Lesnar at UFC 92? (it was UFC 91)

That’s just what I found in the two or three times I’ve read the book on the crapper so far. Am I asking too much for an encyclopedia to be factualy correct?

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by Brian Mayes on Nov 27, 2010 7:52 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

There is a list of every major MMA show in history with complete results in the back of the book.

I’m sure there are several mistakes in the 580 pages. I regret them all.

by Jonathan Snowden on Nov 27, 2010 8:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

HOW DARE YOU!!!

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by Matthew Roth on Nov 27, 2010 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s an entertaining book. You’ll never hear me argue otherwise. My only issue is some factual errors and some of the peices being too opinion based. For instance, in the BJJ section, I’d like to hear about the fundamentals of BJJ, not the “Gracie Myth”. Other than that, it’s solid.

"Everytime I start talking about boxing, a white man gotta pull Rocky Marciano out of their ass!"

by Brian Mayes on Nov 27, 2010 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm fucking with you

There’s always gonna be errors…both factual and grammatical. But this was a massive undertaking that no one has ever tried to do. I think it’s okay to give some leeway.

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by Matthew Roth on Nov 27, 2010 8:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Just giving honest opinion. I plunked down $25 for the book at the local Borders, and I’m not dissapointed. It’s a fun book.

"Everytime I start talking about boxing, a white man gotta pull Rocky Marciano out of their ass!"

by Brian Mayes on Nov 27, 2010 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

No I understand

At Maxim we had a fact checking department and things still got fucked up. It’s bound to happen, you just hope not so often.

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by Matthew Roth on Nov 27, 2010 8:38 PM EST up reply actions  

National Geographic’s fact checkers are some anal SOBs from what I’ve heard. A friend of mine wrote a peice for them once where he mentioned walking through the snow in someone’s driveway. The fact checker called and said they had researched, and it hadn’t snowed there. It went around and around for 2 weeks before he finally found the info he needed to prove to them that there had been a blizzard a few days before.

"Everytime I start talking about boxing, a white man gotta pull Rocky Marciano out of their ass!"

by Brian Mayes on Nov 27, 2010 8:47 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s exactly what I like to hear! Especially from a magazine as prestigious as Nat Geo.

Google Ron Paul!

by CaDreamer on Nov 27, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions  

thats awesome

"I wish Anthony Pace was my father just so I could claim to be the fruit of his loins."

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by the-gentle-way on Nov 27, 2010 10:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

what does he say about the Gracie's?

"I wish Anthony Pace was my father just so I could claim to be the fruit of his loins."

"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."

by the-gentle-way on Nov 27, 2010 10:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

He breaks it down in Total MMA as well

The whole “undefeated” myth going into UFC 1, and a couple others the family likes to hype up. I found it pretty interesting.

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by Chris Hall on Nov 27, 2010 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Care to elaborate on those examples just a touch more?

by disinferno06 on Nov 27, 2010 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Hard to off the top of my head

my short term memory of exact details is kinda weak. But the Gracie family wasn’t undefeated one of them had lost a grappling match to Kimura and another match as well (Considering the nature of the Gracie Challenge, this is still an incredible record). They strategically edited one of their fights on video to make the Gracie seem much more dominant.

Check out Total MMA for more, its definitely worth the read (also where I got the quote in my sig)

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by Chris Hall on Nov 27, 2010 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Helio was defeated by Kimura(who had 50 lbs on him) and never contested it. In fact he named the shoulder lock he lost by “The Kimura” in bjj.

"I wish Anthony Pace was my father just so I could claim to be the fruit of his loins."

"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."

by the-gentle-way on Nov 27, 2010 11:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

they didnt name the Kimura after him?

"I wish Anthony Pace was my father just so I could claim to be the fruit of his loins."

"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."

by the-gentle-way on Nov 28, 2010 2:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

in an undertaking of this scope there are going to be errors

especially in a first edition. these days an online source is going to be far more reliable than a text one. That’s just reality.

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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 27, 2010 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

An online version that could be updated with current results on the fly would be MONEY.

"Everytime I start talking about boxing, a white man gotta pull Rocky Marciano out of their ass!"

by Brian Mayes on Nov 28, 2010 4:55 AM EST up reply actions  

So true. So funny.

"Everytime I start talking about boxing, a white man gotta pull Rocky Marciano out of their ass!"

by Brian Mayes on Nov 28, 2010 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Question

Does Amazon accept Paypal? If so, this book will be bought, and I will possibly review it.

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by nerdVictory on Nov 27, 2010 8:25 PM EST reply actions  

I believe they do.

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by Matthew Roth on Nov 27, 2010 8:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Does the book detail my favorite fighters?

Alistair Overeem and Gegard Mousasi?

"He wants to get in close to use that reach advantage." - Goldie

by nerdVictory on Nov 27, 2010 8:37 PM EST reply actions  

Yes and yes.

"Everytime I start talking about boxing, a white man gotta pull Rocky Marciano out of their ass!"

by Brian Mayes on Nov 27, 2010 8:58 PM EST up reply actions  

If Overeem wasn’t in ‘The MMA Encyclopedia’ Luke would have surely fired Snowden from BE by now.

Hey UFC4 go fuck yourself, how about that? Fucking punk, I was just asking for the source that says lesnar gets 5 mill a fight, it’s obvious one does not exist. Bunch of gabronis on a site pulling figures out of your ass.
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by ufc4 on Nov 27, 2010 11:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds like a good read

I will be sure to put that on my Christmas list. Or just go buy it. I will see if I can use Christmas as a means for getting it for free first though.

by RyanHobbs on Nov 29, 2010 7:05 AM EST reply actions  

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