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The Sad Decline of Karo Parisyan: Drugs, Money and a Fall From Grace

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We knew Karo Parisyan was in bad shape. We just had no idea how bad. A fascinating new ESPN story details Karo's decline in detail - and it's steep. Once the top contender for the UFC's welterweight title, Parisyan is now a shambles. At 28, his professional career is all but over, a victim of poor choices and drug dependency. Even in his recent return to action, drugs were on his mind, in his thoughts much more than his opponent or gameplan:

As he lies on the mat, chalk white, his eyes jet black and his heart racing, these are the types of things that are blowing up in his mind. When they become manifold and he panics, he refers to it as "a hamburger patty becoming like the whole cow." As the fight draws near, his first reaction is to ask if there's anything he can take -- a Tylenol 3, a Percocet, a Lortab, anything with codeine in it.

The answer is no.

Those who care about him say no. On fight night he says he doesn't "think" he'll test positive again for pain medication. He can't be sure, though. If somebody had a Lortab, you get the feeling he'd gladly risk a Dong Hyun Kim incident to take away his hell.

It's hard to watch Karo struggle like this, but things could certainly be much worse. His promotion, the UFC, has supported him through his ordeal. They've helped pay for counseling, brought him back when logic dictated that he wasn't ready. Dana White explained it best to MMA Junkie's Dann Stupp:

"A lot of people were asking why I brought him back," White told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) after UFC 123 at The Palace of Auburn Hills in suburban Detroit. "I get in these positions where there are guys like Karo Parisyan who have put on a lot of great fights for me over the past few years. He falls on hard times, and I don't want to sit here and act like a goof and pat myself on the back, but I've done a lot of things for him.

"He was texting and calling me, and I was like, 'I'll give this guy one more chance.'"

All in support of a fighter with self destructive impulses. Could you imagine Don King doing that? The fact is, the UFC wants to see these guys do well. They provide seminars and guidance, helping these young men deal with sudden wealth and fame. But there's only so much you can help someone.

Parisyan had a serious leg injury, one that has changed the trajectory of his career. He never got it taken care of - too expensive. Yet, he's blown through a million dollars like it was monopoly money. When he was fined $32,000 by the Nevada Commission he couldn't pay. He simply didn't have the cash. Yet, he managed to buy a big house and a luxury car for his dad.

Back when I was Karo," he said on Thursday in his hotel room, "I would be in a suite right now. I made $500,000 in 2007 alone, and I made $100,000 on the Kim fight before sponsors. I had an eight-fight contract worth over a million dollars."

Many young fighters like Parisyan think the money will flow in endless waves. It frightens me to see someone like Josh Koscheck, a fighter that has probably earned around $1.5 million in his career, in a $3 million house. I'm glad for his success - I worry about what happens when the checks stop coming for an (almost) 33 year old athlete.

We'll always remember Karo Parisyan as a great fighter. I hope we remember him for something else as well. Excess is dangerous - in spending, in drug use, in training. Taken to its extremes, this sport can humble any man, even someone as tough as Karo. I loved watching Karo fight but I think it's fair to say this - I hope we don't see too many more Karo Parisyans.

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Fantastic

What a sad story. I guess I am just being naive at this point but I still hold out hope that he can find a way to turn this around for himself.

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by Chris Barton on Nov 24, 2010 12:11 PM EST reply actions  

Very sad story.

Excellent excellent excellent piece Mr Snowden.

by truck on Nov 24, 2010 12:15 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Thiago Alves drives a Maserati.

by MMABookworm on Nov 24, 2010 12:15 PM EST reply actions  

Maserati GT -- base price $118k

If any car is worth 120 grand, that would be it, but yeah, it’s a little excessive on Thiago’s salary.

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by Dave Strummer on Nov 24, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

You are on fire today. Keep up the good work.

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by MMA-UK on Nov 24, 2010 12:23 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I think he could still make a good living fighting, who knows.

by stinkinburrows on Nov 24, 2010 12:24 PM EST reply actions  

Not always your biggest fan Snowden but what a brilliant piece. Maybe Karo will turn it around but reading some of the things he’s said it sounds very unlikely

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by RedEyedKnight on Nov 24, 2010 12:26 PM EST reply actions  

Thank Christ he’s not able to make a living fighting in unsanctioned MMA bouts. That was one of the worst things about PRIDE – Karo could’ve fought there on whatever cocktails he wanted and never be forced to face his demons.

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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 24, 2010 12:26 PM EST reply actions  

The Bro-ing Machine?

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by Austin Martin on Nov 24, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Karo did fight for Impact FC – they just didn’t pay him. I’m guessing the only reason he can’t make a living on “unsanctioned”/poorly overseen events is that promoters don’t want to spend a lot of money on a head case who could duck out at any second.

by VirtualBalboa on Nov 24, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Why do you care about Koscheck? No one knows how much he makes off sponsors, appearances and TUF. People always over spend you don’t need to be a famous athlete to do it.

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by The Omaplatapus on Nov 24, 2010 12:28 PM EST reply actions  

Cause he's relavent to the overall theme

Professional athletes often go broke quickly after their career. Even if Kos turns out to be a successful coach, a $3mil house and a ferrari is just ridiculous and unsustainable.

Screams of short-sightedness and a lack of intelligence.

Save your money fighters… you could be one punch away from being out of a career.

by bleve_ on Nov 24, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

buying a house isnt really pissing money away

by hewsdaddy on Nov 24, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

umm

have you been under a rock for the past 2 years? the days of American real estate growing in value by 10% a year are gone and never coming back. That $3million house Kos bought could as easily resell for $1.5 million in 5 years as $4.5 million.

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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 24, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Or, you know, he could just live in it forever and give it to his kids.

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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 24, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Unfortunately, property taxes and mortgage payments don’t go away when your career does.

by bleve_ on Nov 24, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

nor do the costs of maintaining a giant shit heap like that

unless he’s mr. fix it at a professional level the upkeep on a house like that is going to be monstrous.

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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 24, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Jeff D.

That’s a big part of the reason for Evander Holyfield’s financial troubles. During his prime boxing years he bought a 20 million dollar house that he was unable to ever sell (because how many people are in the market for a 20 million dollar house?) which cost a fortune to maintain.

by Jeff D. on Nov 24, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry, I’m new to posting here. I didn’t mean to put my name in the title.

by Jeff D. on Nov 24, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Snatchl

I kinda like it…in fact, I think you’re on to something here:)

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by Snatchl on Nov 24, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Truck

It makes a post seem more authoritative when you announce your name.

by truck on Nov 24, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

FUCKING HILARIOUS!

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by Earl Montclair on Nov 24, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

When you consider the average career length for a fighter mixed with a $3mil price tag… its the definition of pissing away money. Actually its the most fundamental, basic understanding of economics.

by bleve_ on Nov 24, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Right...

It’s a matter of peaks. How many fighters were able to have a long sustained period where they were making a log of money? Not many. And then you combine that with the cutthroat nature of the UFC (Not saying that as a bad thing mind you) where a small string of poor performances means you’re off the main card (huge loss in sponsorship dollars) or out of the promotion (bye bye money) and there’s a lot to be said for living on the cheap.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 24, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Sad Case of Chasing Ghosts

I have had mixed feelings about Karo over the years as he bounced from borderline arrogant to a troubled and afflicted fighter. When the news came out about Karo’s panic attacks that held the key to a great deal of answers but it still left somethings in shades of gray. Even after the failed test, suspension, release etc…he would surface with bravado about his return to glory. The person who entered the cage in Auburn Hills is a far cry from the kid that slugged it out with Diego Sanchez but eventually we have to accept as does Karo…that even with help he would be lucky to simply salvage a happy life. I fear that Karo will chase the “what could have beens” far too long before he worries about just being okay. Best wishes but even the look on Hallman’s face told you something was far off course.

by Duane Finley on Nov 24, 2010 12:36 PM EST reply actions  

Judo will be forever remembered in this sport thru you Karo. Thanks Man. Get well.

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by vivero on Nov 24, 2010 12:40 PM EST reply actions  

And BTW, since I gave you sh*t on your last post, I’ll say that this is very good stuff.

by MMABookworm on Nov 24, 2010 12:41 PM EST reply actions  

This was so sad to read. This was missing violin music.

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by Keren on Nov 24, 2010 12:42 PM EST reply actions  

In many cases like this, I have trouble “feeling sorry” for the people, and I don’t much here. With that said, I will pull for him to get/keep it together and rediscover himself. If he finds that fire again, dude is tough.

by BJJDenver on Nov 24, 2010 12:46 PM EST reply actions  

and

The UFC didn’t do him a favor by bringing him back so quickly.

by BJJDenver on Nov 24, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

These kind of things are hard to relate to

Unless you’ve been through it yourself or been close to someone who has.

I don’t think sympathy is what people in these situations need, they need support and they need people who will be hard with them when that’s what they need. Addiction and mental illness are tough demons. I’ve seen it with people I care about and as a result I feel for Karo and what he’s going through.

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by Worldisart on Nov 24, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

who asked anyone to feel sorry for Karo?

no one here gives a shit about your feelings.

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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 24, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not trying to be a dick, but what about his comment made you so mad?

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by slapjaw ackrite on Nov 24, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Right on.

That was why I asked, because Denver has been around for awhile and isn’t prone to retarded comments like the Sherdog castoffs that find their way here after every ppv. Plus, I imagine all the insanity from the Rogan posts has you wound up still :P

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by slapjaw ackrite on Nov 24, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

once i get into throw down mode, it takes a while to settle down beavis.

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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 24, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I mean it, you’re in the wrong line of work. You should come hang out with the anarchists for a while. I’ll introduce you around…

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by AJB on Nov 24, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

I have a long and checkered history of political activism. even wrote a book about it.

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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 24, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

WTF NATE???

Just kidding man. I don’t take much personally and it wasn’t said for me to express my feelings (which are now hurt by the way, lol). I simply meant it as a lead in to my second point, was that I truly hope he finds his focus and returns to the form that made him a name to begin with. I thought just saying that didn’t have as much impact as if I lead it with the fact that I didn’t feel sorry for him to begin with. I do hope he gets it together and makes a good life for himself.

NOW, here is something for you…

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by BJJDenver on Nov 24, 2010 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Karo needs to not fight anymore

It’s time for him to find a different path in life. Until he turns that page he’s likely to be stuck in repeat, making the same mistakes over and over again.

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by Worldisart on Nov 24, 2010 12:55 PM EST reply actions  

yup… can’t train without pain, with pain comes the painkillers, with anxiety comes the xanax…

what he REALLY needs to do is train with Eddie Bravo or with the Diaz’s. They’d find ways to help him cope with anxiety………..

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by Austin Martin on Nov 24, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Weed

is the worst thing to take for anxiety. What an ignorant comment.

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by Geno Mrosko on Nov 24, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

well, from personal experience, you are completely and UTTERLY wrong.

Colin Cowherd is more annoying than the Progressive radio commercials.

by Austin Martin on Nov 24, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Personal is the key word

For a good portion of people, marijuana increases anxiety, not decreases. It really depends on your personal reaction.

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by Worldisart on Nov 24, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

i completely agree. but for someone to call me ignorant about that sort of thing, it only illuminates his own ignorance when he’s wrong.

Colin Cowherd is more annoying than the Progressive radio commercials.

by Austin Martin on Nov 24, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

The comment by Geno was uncalled for.

I only made my comment because self medicating your problems by smoking pot isn’t always going to be helpful.

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by Worldisart on Nov 24, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

You don't know what you're talking about

For some people its disastrous, for other people its absolutely necessary.

by bleve_ on Nov 24, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Weed is evil yo

'cause the heart that betrays itself willingly, Is like a nation that trades freedom for stability, its so seductive to be cold and corrupted and isolated and try to be an independent republic, But liberty to be loved on the surface is worthless, The sacrifice of revolution with no purpose

by ImmortalTechnique92 on Nov 24, 2010 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd love to see him train with the Diaz brothers

would be classic to see Nathan get in his face and say “Do you even know who I am?!”

by Shaun32887 on Nov 24, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Fighting for a living

in itself requires mental toughness probably more than any other kind of work. If a fighter is mentally unstable, the pressure of this nature will make things worse.

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by vivero on Nov 24, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I really wanted Karo to beat Hallman just so we could see a return to form with him. Seeing him in the cage at UFC 123, you could tell just physically that Karo wasn’t there anymore. I don’t think that he should be fighting, but maybe training others or something could be in his future.

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by chrisbboy82 on Nov 24, 2010 1:02 PM EST reply actions  

These guys are the UFC

and for the vast majority of them, while they may think they’ll have Couture’s life, the reality is Karo is the ghost of Christmas future.

If you’re living in a $3M home, you better be bringing in close to a million a year before taxes. That’s every year for the next 25-30 years.

This is why so many NFL and NBA players are broke a couple years out of the league. You can’t plan your finances based on the best couple of year of your life.

by Ironbuddha on Nov 24, 2010 1:12 PM EST reply actions  

Cautionary tale #1:

Antoine Walker

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by AJB on Nov 24, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s sad, really. I mean, think of this… if you’re broke, even if you’ve paid for your $3 mil home completely, how are you going to afford the property taxes on it? This sport can turn a guys career to a memory in a hurry.

by Confucius on Nov 24, 2010 1:15 PM EST reply actions  

Let’s say that Koscheck has made, I dunno, $5 million dollars of the course of his career in endorsments and everything. That’s an incredibly inflated figure, mind you, based on the fact that his announced pay doesn’t even hit $1 million. But we’ll imagine it to be true for a second. He owns a $3 million dollar house and runs a gym. He owns a Ferrari. Chances are he has a sound system that’s not out of a box and probably doesn’t watch TV on a Vizio. Think of the clothes. Does he drink box wine? Probably not. Watches? Jewelry?

Its an easy trap to fall into.

by VirtualBalboa on Nov 24, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Karo does loom like he just

Saw a Hefalump.

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by the-gentle-way on Nov 24, 2010 2:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

And Woozles

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by Chris Hall on Nov 24, 2010 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Karo could really make something out of this.

I think he should use his situation and his story to help raise awareness of how serious panic disorder really is. It’s not something a lot of people understand. A large portion of sufferers never leave their houses, because they’re afraid of having an attack in public.

Karo actually managed to control his symptoms enough to fight in front of a UFC-size crowd. I’d call that impressive.

by Emoney on Nov 24, 2010 1:24 PM EST reply actions  

yeah

Karo has many promising paths in front of him. Coach, trainer, motivational speaker, maybe even a few more fights. But he needs to heal his body and mind and get off the dang pills.
Reading Karo’s book makes it really clear that he coasted off his physical gifts and technical advantages for most of his early career. Ironically the one bout he put in a big time training camp for was his title shot against Matt Hughes at UFC 55. Sadly, Mayhem Miller jumped on his back fucking around after practice and that’s how he tore his hamstring and had to pull out of the fight.
He never got proper treatment but took plenty of pain pills instead. He returned to his slack training style and the rest is history.
I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the pain killers didn’t contribute to the anxiety problem. vicious cycle.
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 24, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

you might be on to something… in the long run, the injury and the fact he may not have been able to return to old form could’ve fostered a performance anxiety, with a drug addiction that sort of thing can rule and ruin your life

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by Austin Martin on Nov 24, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

wow

I never knew Mayhem did it fucking around. Mayhem must feel like shit seeing what his antics have lead to.

by Slappy san on Nov 24, 2010 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Opiates

It sounds like he’s still doing opiates and then trying to withdraw to pass the drug test. That is a recipe for disaster. At first you feel sorry for him because he couldn’t afford the surgery. Then you realize he made a ton of money and just blew it.

by pwdminotauro on Nov 24, 2010 1:30 PM EST reply actions  

Then you realize he made a ton of money and just blew it.

This doesn’t make the story less deserving of empathy

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by Chris Hall on Nov 24, 2010 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Karo looked like he did absolutely zero physical training for that fight. Not just because he was flabby and soft, but if you look at his arms, even his triceps looked atrophied… needs intreatment.

by bleve_ on Nov 24, 2010 1:34 PM EST reply actions  

compelling stuff Mr. Snowden and very well written

by drano on Nov 24, 2010 1:43 PM EST reply actions  

Excellent story Mr. Snowden

But I hated reading it. I hope Karo somehow manages to beat this but I fear sometimes Opiates can be more powerful than human will to abstain from them.

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by Ze Pequeno on Nov 24, 2010 1:43 PM EST reply actions  

The thing is, he can still make a living through the sport.

He’s world class at Judo, and not many people have been able to translate their Judo to MMA like Karo has.

Training other fighters is going to be the way for fighters, who aren’t able to fight competitively anymore, to stay relevant and make money throught this sport.

by Fedorable on Nov 24, 2010 1:48 PM EST reply actions  

Keep him around for one more fight. Feed him to Nate Diaz and see the fur fly. I feel for Karo but really he has done it to himself. He wants to make one more paycheck I say Nate Diaz. Brush off the “Do you know who I am Bro” footage and sell it in a fight night show.

by DonkeyOatey on Nov 24, 2010 1:54 PM EST reply actions  

It’s amazing to me that anyone could read that ESPN story, see Karo on TV and still propose this. Cold blooded.

by Jonathan Snowden on Nov 24, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess its a little cold blooded. I’ll give you that. Its just that we have seen from the past from a loud mouthed Karo “Do you know who I am bro?” and he is a fighter that will fight anywhere anytime. I guess my point is prove it. If he sucks and can’t hang with today’s talent let Nate get some name recognition out of beating him up. Gives Karo another payday.

by DonkeyOatey on Nov 24, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Nate has name recognition, and you’re fucking retarded.

by 79guy on Nov 24, 2010 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Nate has some name recognition. Actually Diaz has name recognition. He needs to get out from under his bros name. I think beating Karo would help that.

And thanks for that dick breath.

by DonkeyOatey on Nov 24, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Karo

Clearly still has issues… And I don’t mean this from a fighting standpoint.

Even in recent interviews (pre-fight, have seen any post), he denies having or had a drug problem and only will talk about his panic attacks as being the cause to any issues. He is (at least at the time of the interview) still in complete denial and isn’t even close to being in the proper place mentally/physically for a training camp.

Until he realized and deals with his problems, he shouldn’t be fighting, UFC or elsewhere.

by Diz D on Nov 24, 2010 2:57 PM EST reply actions  

Great post.

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by Tim Burke on Nov 24, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

Agreed, mostly,

I’ve had a lot of anxiety and depression issues all through my life. As an adult I cope pretty well though mechanisms I developed that work for me.

Aside from being a douche when on camera Karo’s biggest issues are that he never dealt with his daemons. Or at least it has not appeared he did. I think rather than trying to be someone with a healthier mind who could be reborn as a martial artist he felt being a martial artist and competing was the way to the healthier mind.

He should have taken a lot longer off, dealt with his issues, got healthy in the mind and then begin training.

Dealing with a mental heal issue is not something that is dealt with quicky. In all honesty I don’t believe anyone really ever “is cured” of issues related to anxiety and depression. I think it’s just a part of the person you are. Like being good at math, or sport. Some things are intrinsic to the individual. It’s a mater of living your life and establishing mental behaviour that is conductive to things that are beneficial to you, and knowing the signs and deterrents to the things that are harmful to you.

First off I think drugs as a mean of coping are the wrong way 9 times out of 10. Thoughtful choices and a good sleeping habit will offer a lot more benefit than drugs.

My advice to Karo is that he writes down a list called "Things I think my life should be", and another called "Everything I thinks my life deserves to be" and then wipes his ass with it. Then after a hearty dump writes a list called "What my life is and things I can do to make it better"

by 79guy on Nov 24, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Comments like this are one of the main reasons I can’t quit this site.

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by Rundownloser on Nov 25, 2010 1:41 AM EST up reply actions  

One of my favorite fighters from my early days

Heres to hoping he can make a living as a coach. He has a lot to offer current fighters.

My only fear is that his judo techniques are too difficult to teach to someone who hasn’t spent 15 years practicing.

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by PapaBumpants on Nov 24, 2010 3:51 PM EST reply actions  

Karo and all these other folks suffering from "in your head" stuff...

…need to listen to Joe Rogan’s bit on “Talking Monkeys flying through space on a rock”.

Then they’ll be fine.

I try not to take anything too seriously, because after all, short of being the human who decides to drop a nuke on half the world, no one person is going to leave an everlasting impact. At least not anymore.

Arguably Jesus Christ has had the biggest and longest lasting impact of any human being, but he sunk his hooks in when we were still pretty darn gullible and primitive. Is he going to be remembered in another 500 years? 1000?

And when you consider some of the humans in recent history who left a mark on the world, it’s only been 50 years since Hitler and short of the history books and some monuments there is almost no trace of him.

by Luke Nelson on Nov 24, 2010 5:45 PM EST reply actions  

I don’t think you understand the 1st thing about anxiety and I think Joe would agree with me.

by 79guy on Nov 24, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I knew this post was coming

I was just hoping Nate was going to write it. No offense Snowden, I would have just liked to have heard it coming from Karo’s biggest fan.

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by Neil Manich on Nov 24, 2010 5:48 PM EST reply actions  

That ESPN article is very good, thanks for pointing that one out.

And from personal experience with people who suffer from anxiety disorders a hearty “shut up!” to the guys thinking all it takes is to “suck it up” to get over this. You are showing pantheon levels of cluelessness, f*******

To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.

by KGNLuc on Nov 24, 2010 5:49 PM EST reply actions  

I think there should be a small level of suck it up. Maybe like 15%, but people who just flat out say that as an entire means to the issue have no idea.

and well played on the closing line.

by 79guy on Nov 24, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Sucks for Karo

Great fighter who put on some memorable fights. I’ll miss him.

'cause the heart that betrays itself willingly, Is like a nation that trades freedom for stability, its so seductive to be cold and corrupted and isolated and try to be an independent republic, But liberty to be loved on the surface is worthless, The sacrifice of revolution with no purpose

by ImmortalTechnique92 on Nov 24, 2010 8:02 PM EST reply actions  

It’s truly sad and hopefully an eye opener to macho men…and women everywhere. Take care of health and finances!

by Slappy san on Nov 24, 2010 8:54 PM EST reply actions  

Koscheck is a multimillionaire

Karo made $500K in 07. Kos is a way bigger star than Karo ever was. Kos probably makes $250K per fight (if he wins) these days, more than that with his upcoming GSP fight (even if he loses). His visability gives him pull with the sponsers. His income this year and last year are probably in the $1.5M range (per year).

Kos fought 4 times in 09, or was that 08??? I forget and only twice this year but you know Dana is chipping in monetarily for his TUF duties.

Smart money mgmt is important but Kos could have paid off his $3M house by now if he so desired.

by Nepal on Nov 25, 2010 12:30 AM EST reply actions  

I don’t think it matters. The bigger question is what happens in 5 or 10 years when he’s not really fit for any other kind of employment but doesn’t have big checks coming in from Zuffa either. There’s zero chance that he has “paid off” his house and his other toys paint the picture of a pretty lavish lifestyle.

I think you are significantly overstating his income too, although I’m sure he’s looking at a pretty big influx of cash shortly.

by Jonathan Snowden on Nov 25, 2010 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

.... a bit late but

It only matters in that you are saying Koscheck is way overextended by postulating he has only made $1.5M in his whole career. I only commented because I didn’t feel that was accurate and you as “an authority” by virtue of being a Bloody Elbow writer should be brought to task by your readership.

In 2009 Kos fought 3 times, winning twice. Based on his $53K to win/show package, he would have made 53 × 5 = $265K given his 2 wins and one loss in 09. Also the $140K bonus for fight/KO of the night vs Anthony Johnson brings his UFC disclosed earnings to $405K. That is before the locker room bonuses that fighters like Koscheck get for every fight, even for getting KO’d by Thiago (early stoppage not withstanding). Regardless, his UFC earnings would likely be pushing $500K in 09 plus his sponsorships and I’m making a stab that he would earn a million or more based on his name. Koscheck is one of the bigger names in the UFC and is likely paid as such by sponsors. Not to mention he has his own line of clothing and his own gym (which may or may not be making money).

I really don’t think I’m over stating the numbers at all. I would guess Koscheck will get a hugh locker room bonus, win or lose with his GSP fight. That coupled with his TUF tenure, could easily be a $1M especially if PPV numbers are as expected. Plus his earlier fight in the year plus a mil in sponsors, probably well in excess of $2M income in 2010. After the tax man, still $1M.

He lives in California and in the SF Bay Area I think. A $3M house there is very nice but is not over-the-top at all. Hopefully he puts a serious chunk of that monthly towards getting rid of that mortgage. He does have a very short window (4-5 years max) to continue with those big bucks so if he does drive a Ferrari, that is not money wisely spent.

Worth noting that he’ll never be champ in the division as long as there is a fighter around that is better in every area of fighting than him. i.e. I’m betting GSP will make short work of Kos this time around.

by Nepal on Nov 25, 2010 10:09 PM EST reply actions  

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