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Five Things I'm Thankful for in Mixed Martial Arts

LAS VEGAS - JULY 03:  Brock Lesnar is one of the many great things about MMA. (Photo by Josh Hedges/Zuffa LLC/Zuffa LLC via Getty Images)

In the wake of the Tomas Rios scandal, at its heart a story about a guy who hates everything, I thought it might feel good to bring the love. We are all here because we love the sport of Mixed Martial Arts. It's easy to forget, as we complain about the little things, that the sport has never been in a better place. The fighters are better than ever. They are matched better. There is more fighting on television than ever before. It's a great time to be a fan of MMA. I'm thankful every month when I look ahead to all the great fights we'll see, all the whirling movement, heart, and true grit that makes martial arts so exciting. It's been a great year - and thing are only looking up. Here's five things to be thankful for as you celebrate this Thanksgiving:

1. The Abundance of Riches

There has never been more MMA on television. But it's not just quantity that gets me a little excited, in ways I'm not quite comfortable sharing with you. There's never been so much good MMA. Really good. The UFC puts on an astounding show almost every month, with perfectly acceptable television cards in the interim. Strikeforce's Rich Chou seems to have mastered the art of finding fun fights. Are the bouts all for world titles or top ten rankings? No. But they are certainly for pride, contests between athletes who are trying to prove they are the better man.

Even beyond the big two, there are fights in abundance. So many, it's hard to keep up. Bellator has consistantly showcased great fighters and helped continue Strikeforce's quest to bring women's MMA to the forefront. HDNet puts on more MMA than anyone - and supplements it with some fantastic kickboxing coverage.

It's never been a better time to be a MMA fan. Not to show my age, but in my day we waited for the VHS to come over from Japan, often an agonizing week or more, waiting to see the latest Pancrase or PRIDE. Now the shows are often broadcast live, even obscure shows on new websites like GoFightLive. I hope you are taking advantage.

2. Joe Silva and great matchmaking

It's easy to say 'I want Joe Silva's job.' Maybe. It certainly seems fun, bringing together great athletes and then turning them loose in a cage to pummel each other. But there are headaches as well. Endless contract negotiations and renegotiations. Injuries, and just plain life, that can ruin carefully crafted plans. And people in your ear, constantly looking to sell you - on their fighter, their fight, their bonus. It is exhausting. In politics, the President's Chief of Staff usually lasts one term. The job is just too overwhelming. It's kind of like Joe Silva's job. Yet, nearly ten years into his run, Silva is going as strong as ever. It's a testament to his iron will, scary smarts, and his love for the game.

3. The Heavyweight Division

Long the laughingstock of the sport, filled with fat guys in t-shirts throwing down for almost 30 seconds before heaving for breath, the division is suddenly super interesting. Much of that credit has to go to Brock Lesnar. The UFC heavyweight divides fans like no other fighter before him, and interest in Brock seems to have translated into interest in his peers and opponents. What will Lesnar do next? We don't know. But I can't wait to watch.

It's more than Lesnar though. A Strikeforce guy told me last week "We may not have the best heavyweight division, but it's the most interesting." I can sign off on that. What does Josh Barnett have left? His contemporary Vitor Ribeiro recently lost a fight to Justin Wilcox on a Strikeforce Challengers show. Has the sport caught up with Barnett the way it did Shaolin? I'm dying to find out. Potential matchups with Fabricio Werdum, Fedor Emelianenko, and Alistair Overeem await. It's going to be an amazing 2011 for the heavyweights - and for Strikeforce.

4. Skill

If you're familiar with my work, you'll know my mind is often wandering in the past. I love writing about and learning from the legends of the sport. That said, even I can recognize that fighters have never been better. Look at Brian Foster. Foster is an unheralded prospect, a guy trying to make his way in the sport. Yet the Brian Foster who beat Matt Brown last weekend would have run game on almost anyone from the UFC's illustrious past.  And there are fighters like Foster up and down the card at UFC and Strikeforce events.

Here's the truth: Brian Foster would have kicked the crap out of Royce Gracie. That's how good today's fighters are. I mean, he is built on a foundation of Royce - but he would be competitive with almost anyone who fought prior to the year 2000. And who is Brian Foster? That's what is exciting about this sport. The skill level is still evolving. Who would have ever expected such a disciplined and remarkable fight from Quinton Jackson, a guy who started in this sport as a wildman. He cut off the cage and cornered Lyoto Machida with amazing footwork and straight punches. Then he controlled him in the clinch. It was a masterful performance. I'm thankful to have seen it.

5. The Fighters

We think it goes without saying but is worth putting into words: we wouldn't be here without the men and women who have the courage to step into the cage. Some of them are great athletes with super smart gameplans. Others are less skilled. Some will succeed. Some will fail, only to rise up and try again.

It's truly remarkable that these great athletes are often likeable and thoughtful people as well. I'm proud to be a fan of this sport. Thanks for having the gumption to test yourself against an opponent, all alone with just your wits to save you from harm. I'm sure you're learning a ton about yourself and what makes you tick, who you are with all the pretenses washed away, simply staring across the cage at another human being who wants to do you harm. I'm thankful to have the chance to watch you put yourself to the test.

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gumption

love that word

It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.

by Jesse Holland on Nov 24, 2010 11:06 AM EST reply actions  

just a thank you

i do not always agree w/ you. i often want to pull my hair out. this, however, was well timed, well written and most appreciated. you always have my attention when you post. it was nice to see a little positivity.

by F'n Clownshoes on Nov 24, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

By far my favorite article of yours so far. But i’m a sucker for positive writing after all the negative stuff that’s been swirling around recently.

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by MMA-UK on Nov 24, 2010 11:08 AM EST reply actions  

How is Strikeforce’s heavyweight division interesting when they never book any fights?

by MMABookworm on Nov 24, 2010 11:10 AM EST reply actions  

Why can’t you answer the question?

In all seriousness, your article was good but I don’t get how anyone can take Strikeforce’s HW division remotely seriously when they are doing absolutely nothing with what is a pretty deep bench.

by MMABookworm on Nov 24, 2010 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

you are totally being a Rios

"I wish Anthony Pace was my father just so I could claim to be the fruit of his loins."

"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."

by the-gentle-way on Nov 24, 2010 11:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Rios makes stuff up.

What he said is factual.

I would also like to see bookings!!

by truck on Nov 24, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

it's all about potential fren

if Coker delivers, as he’s promised to, 2011 has the ‘potential’ of being a huge year for the SF HW division

by BeeTrain on Nov 24, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah bro

 save it for anoter post. This is straight up positivity-ville here.

by Rocejize on Nov 24, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Strikeforce's HW division is like the Miami Heat

they have few of the very best athletes in the world, but they’re still figuring out how to use them properly.

by Anton Tabuena on Nov 25, 2010 12:32 AM EST up reply actions  

!!!

First of all, I wanna thank God for giving everybody so much, and me, so little. I hate you, I hate you, and I don't even know you and I hate your guts. I hope all the bad things in life happen to you, and nobody else, but you.

by Blue22AMD on Nov 25, 2010 1:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Unlike you Rios has legitimate points when he writes.

by Brent Nahmias on Nov 24, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

i like the banning style. subtle.

Colin Cowherd is more annoying than the Progressive radio commercials.

by Austin Martin on Nov 24, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow...

that was impressive.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 24, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Oops...

I totally hid this when I meant to rec it.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 24, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

That was freaking Smooooooth

Like Bendo

"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"

by dedstrk316 on Nov 24, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol! You just made my night!

by 775assassin on Nov 25, 2010 12:49 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

no he doesn't.

"I wish Anthony Pace was my father just so I could claim to be the fruit of his loins."

"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."

by the-gentle-way on Nov 24, 2010 11:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

He does have points

He points me to a different direction from his crap to other better, more thought out articles.

I suffer from IBS, otherwise known as "Influx of Billick Syndrome".

by SSreporters on Nov 24, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Let's be honest here

If Leland wrote this article and the comment you replied to, would you have said something so asinine and out of place?

The insta-hate Snowden gets over nothingness like that is just beyond me…

"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee

by The American Ronin on Nov 24, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

It made me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Just kidding, good stuff Jonathan.

by ThomasJ92 on Nov 24, 2010 11:13 AM EST reply actions  

I’m also a big fan of the current lightweight division. Full of really exciting fights for 2011. Can’t wait.

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by Keren on Nov 24, 2010 11:17 AM EST reply actions  

Wikipedia has the list of current UFC fighters

If the merger went in place today we have 277 fighters under the roster. It’s awesome.

I suffer from IBS, otherwise known as "Influx of Billick Syndrome".

by SSreporters on Nov 24, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

A lot of LW guys will be out of a job very soon, it’s gonna suck.

by MMABookworm on Nov 24, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

started reading this on the front page

wondering where the five other things were, because there was no jump. click into the article, and the title has become “five things.” you’re quick Jon.

I completely agree about the talent level evolving also. The Foster/ Royce point is going to draw a lot of conflict, but these wrestlers who are making the transition to MMA earlier than college graduation are picking up the striking and JJ quicker and producing some incredibly well rounded athletes.

Colin Cowherd is more annoying than the Progressive radio commercials.

by Austin Martin on Nov 24, 2010 11:27 AM EST reply actions  

I’m such a hateful bastard I couldn’t think of five more things to love.

by Jonathan Snowden on Nov 24, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

i can’t believe we even got five.

You could put #6- you’re thankful that you’ve been accepted into the BE community (love/hate)

Nate could add #7- He’s thankful you’ve been accepted into the BE community, because less people harass him now

  1. could be the Ubernoober sighting from yesterday

Colin Cowherd is more annoying than the Progressive radio commercials.

by Austin Martin on Nov 24, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah snowden has definetly moved the Target off nates back, but he generates discussion like a mutha

"I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight what you saw, in the ring"

by crinow on Nov 24, 2010 1:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

ZUFFA and BE. I think every fan of MMA owe them a thanks for bringing MMA stateside and doing it right. BE for having a dedicated, knowledgeable and huge following.

I would add MMA bad boys to the list. They keep it fresh, entertaining and we always have something to talk about.

by Riney on Nov 25, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Even the elite of a few years ago

Have been left far behind by the modern elite. Even guys like Fedor and BJ, who evolved long before almost anyone else, are no longer standing alone above the rest.

"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee

by The American Ronin on Nov 24, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

well, BJ was left standing above Hughes…

But Tito is a prime example of someone who got sidetracked in the sport and it completely passed him by.

Colin Cowherd is more annoying than the Progressive radio commercials.

by Austin Martin on Nov 24, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't get me wrong

Fedor and BJ are both still great, but they no longer stand alone. They evolved before anyone else really, but then stopped – they are still essentially the exact same fighters today they were 4 years ago.

BJ-GSP 1 was a closely contested, could have gone either way match for the most part. In the sequel, GSP was worlds beyond what he was before in every aspect of the game, whereas BJ was still the same guy…

"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee

by The American Ronin on Nov 24, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

yea he was different ...

He had THE SLICKEST <\bold>guard passes in that fight.

See what I did there?

"I wish Anthony Pace was my father just so I could claim to be the fruit of his loins."

"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."

by the-gentle-way on Nov 24, 2010 2:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Slick, Greasegate… Messed up HTML.

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by Tokyo Sandblaster on Nov 25, 2010 12:17 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah

That’s pretty much what I did there

"I wish Anthony Pace was my father just so I could claim to be the fruit of his loins."

"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."

by the-gentle-way on Nov 25, 2010 11:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I see what you … tried to do there.

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by James Brady on Nov 25, 2010 12:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Is hate to be negative...

But I’m also thankful for Mayweather’s legal problems. That just makes me smile.

by Ziggy325 on Nov 24, 2010 11:30 AM EST reply actions  

According to Frank Shamrock...

the skill level found in the sport is no where near where it should be by now. The striking found is luaghable and currently there are only like 100 or so techniques that are used (not even).

by Bandaka on Nov 24, 2010 11:31 AM EST reply actions  

Sometimes you have to shake your head at Frank. I think the number of techniques when he talked to me about it was “17.”

by Jonathan Snowden on Nov 24, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I can’t picture a scenario – omitting his retirement – where I would not at Frank.

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Nate: When I banned Subo?
Luke: That was a good one.

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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 24, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

*nod

Luke: What was our best moment?
Nate: When I banned Subo?
Luke: That was a good one.

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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 24, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

So is that going to turn into a thing? “way to be a rios!”

what happened to keeping it simple? “way to be a cock ass”

by TheBiggertheyare... on Nov 24, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Good stuff. I’m hyped about Barnett’s comeback too. I think he still has a lot more relevancy than Shaolin, but it will be interesting to find out.

http://www.instrength.com

by Tim Burke on Nov 24, 2010 11:38 AM EST reply actions  

I honestly think he is going flop something fierce. He hasn’t looked good in his recent fights even though he was facing guys who had no business being in the ring/cage with him. I think he is going to be shocked the first time he steps in with a live opponent who has been training and testing himself at the highest levels of the sport. Iron sharpens iron, and right now Josh is rusty, dull old blade.

by Steve4192 on Nov 24, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I nominate

the Reem to reintroduce him…

"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee

by The American Ronin on Nov 25, 2010 12:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I can definitely see that happening, and maybe this is naive, but Josh doesn’t strike me as the one-dimensional afterthought that a lot of guys have become. Sure, it took him a while to sub Yvel. It took him a bit to finish Rizzo. But he’s an insanely talented guy, and he’s pretty smart. If he falters, I can accept that…but he’s one of those guys that I can’t wait to find out about. I think he’s still relevant for sure. Hopefully we find out soon.

http://www.instrength.com

by Tim Burke on Nov 25, 2010 1:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Yay for positivity (particularly after a great event that still seems to have been partially overshadowed by a number of negative aspects).

I’m also looking forward to seeing what SF does with its HW division. Maybe I’m just naive, but I’m willing to give them time to get things working properly and still hold out hope that we’ll see a really strong HW division emerge.

by Superstitiousmma on Nov 24, 2010 11:45 AM EST reply actions  

I like this one, and this is coming from someone who is a big critic of Snowden.

by Confucius on Nov 24, 2010 11:46 AM EST reply actions  

rec'd

thank you for the article

by theblade on Nov 24, 2010 11:53 AM EST reply actions  

Superb stuff

I love positive stories about our sport. Just wish it didn’t take things like thanksgiving to get them once in a while.

Don’t mean to criticize, so thanks for this.

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by Charles Awad on Nov 24, 2010 11:55 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Mostly these things are unsaid. We know them. It’s why we are here. Sometimes though, it bears repeating.

by Jonathan Snowden on Nov 24, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Good article Snowden.

I don’t know if you’ll read this but I have a copy of your first book and I was wondering if I could mail it to you and have it signed? I really enjoy your articles! ( The anti-Rios)

Proudly Non-Hardcore Ultimate fighting fan since 2010!

by lesnarhypetrain on Nov 24, 2010 12:09 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Of course, as long as you include a self addressed stamped envelope to send it back to you in. I’d love to. Thanks for your interest.

by Jonathan Snowden on Nov 24, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Great is there a best way for me to get the adress?

Proudly Non-Hardcore Ultimate fighting fan since 2010!

by lesnarhypetrain on Nov 24, 2010 12:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Send me an email. You can find it by clicking on my name above.

by Jonathan Snowden on Nov 24, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok email has been sent! thanks again!

Proudly Non-Hardcore Ultimate fighting fan since 2010!

by lesnarhypetrain on Nov 24, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Is there any way I can mail you mine and get my money back?

Hey UFC4 go fuck yourself, how about that? Fucking punk, I was just asking for the source that says lesnar gets 5 mill a fight, it’s obvious one does not exist. Bunch of gabronis on a site pulling figures out of your ass.
by Garrett Bennicas

by ufc4 on Nov 25, 2010 1:28 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

LOL

http://www.instrength.com

by Tim Burke on Nov 25, 2010 1:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Mine:

1. Royce Gracie
2. The fighters – the struggle to reach the top. The desire to achieve ones dream despite going through hell for years is probably the most admirable thing I have followed in my lifetime.
3. The Community, specifically the outstanding BElitist staff and members. Honestly, this site eats up atleast 4 hours of my time everyday even w/o commenting.
4. The success of the sport in America and some parts of the world.
5. The fights – I have followed no other sport since I discovered the beautiful art of violence.

I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand
But I won’t pick against Jon Jones again until I see him lose. - Kwisatz Haderach

by vivero on Nov 24, 2010 12:22 PM EST reply actions  

1. JIU JITSU, without it there is no mma.

2. Heart. Fighters That dig deep in training and in the cage.

3. Horrible T-shirts. Man without all those posers buying these God awful shirts they wouldn’t be able to sponsor as many fighters.
4. BE. Cause I like being an elitist.

5. J. Snowden – for being a thought provoking writer. Love him or hate him, he inspires emotion. That’s what good writers do.
*Bonus*6. Kid Nate. For everything being his fault

"I wish Anthony Pace was my father just so I could claim to be the fruit of his loins."

"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."

by the-gentle-way on Nov 24, 2010 2:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

1. WEC – Because I’ll still be thankful even though you’ll be gone

2. Fighters (All of em) the elite for entertaining us, and regional fighters for training a ton of people who want to get into MMA.

3. BE – All the staff is awesome (the difference of opinion and debate is always great). Plus dudes like thisredengine, Ubernoober (Welcome back) Deo Wade and others for keeping the comment section as entertaining as the posts.

4. All promotions – No matter which one it is, they do their best to put on the best fights possible and I try to watch as much as I can with great appreciation.

5. Minowaman – Do I really have to explain why?

by IRodC on Nov 25, 2010 12:23 AM EST up reply actions  

nice!

"I wish Anthony Pace was my father just so I could claim to be the fruit of his loins."

"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."

by the-gentle-way on Nov 25, 2010 11:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

tHE HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION

“Long the laughingstock of the sport, filled with fat guys in t-shirts throwing down for almost 30 seconds before heaving for breath”

That has to be the most retarded statement I have ever read.

Pride started with only heavyweights mate. Its obvious you have been following MMA for little over a few years with statements like that. And then to look at Shane Carwin and Brock Lesnars last performances I would feel the need to use that statement as a description of the UFC’s HW division right now. Jesus man educate yourself before you feel the need to come on here and write complete drivel.

by Simon Nicoll on Nov 24, 2010 12:30 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Oh oh!!!
Its obvious you have been following MMA for little over a few years with statements like that.

Do you know who you are talking to…

by truck on Nov 24, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

…bro?

"Do you find him to be, perhaps, sexier than the average human being?"
"I'm not gay, but..."
- Ariel Helwani and fan discussing Yoshihiro Akiyama

by crazybones on Nov 24, 2010 6:36 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

LOL, either this is the most subtle and wicked satire, or you have absolutely no clue who you’re talking about.

PS: That specific line you’re quoting is meant to be humorous with a little bit of truthfulness, not a serious and legit statement.

by Cocytus on Nov 24, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I've seen enough of that

"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse

by Chris Barton on Nov 24, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Barton!

coming in with an Iron Fist since you got duties.

Colin Cowherd is more annoying than the Progressive radio commercials.

by Austin Martin on Nov 24, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

That's your ban line? C'mon Batman.

You’ve got to be more flavor in your banning. Maybe add a gif. I’ve got a starter line for you:
1. You wanted me, here I am.
2. Justice!

It's official. Les Miles DOES NOT have a deal with the devil. He beat him Nov. 6th, 24-21.

by DayGeaux on Nov 24, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

or this?

Colin Cowherd is more annoying than the Progressive radio commercials.

by Austin Martin on Nov 24, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

When I feel it warrants it

I still pull out the bat signal. I just don’t want to overuse my meme.

"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse

by Chris Barton on Nov 24, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I read what I read . and what I read was the most idiotic thing I have read on this site. So let me get this straight Prides HW division was the laughing stock of the sport?

seriously mate, you are kidding right?

by Simon Nicoll on Nov 24, 2010 12:35 PM EST reply actions  

Its not that PRIDE’s HW division was the laughingstock of the sport, it was the best – at that time, but it was largely filled with a mix of one-dimensional, largely nonathletic fighters (compared to other weight classes), with generally poor cardio. . But the #7-10 or so HW today would destroy all but 2-3 of those guys in their primes 9/10 times – most wouldn’t be remotely competitive.

It is still in many ways a very shallow division, with a huge drop-off in skill and talent outside of the top 8-10 fighters as compared to all other weight classes.

Its like comparing elite lineman in the NFL – there are guys who were great for their time in the 60’s and before that would get completely run over today with the emphasis on scientific training.

"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee

by The American Ronin on Nov 24, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

NEVER once have I seen in the old days a fighter who was SO gassed that he couldnt even walk after 1 yes thats 1 round Im talking about Shane Carwin, the guy that just fought for the UFC HW belt. If thats for the HW belt now, how can people make statements like the one before and expext to be taken seriously. I really dont see anything different in the HW division than to what was before. Brock Lesnar is the man responsible for this whole “new breed of HW” and look what just happened to him.

Take a look back and you will realise that the HW division was alot better, maybe thats not true but there were certainly alot more HW fighters.

by Simon Nicoll on Nov 24, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Without veering off into a Fedor discussion

i think its safe to say that the elite of today, in any weight class, destroy the elite of 5, 10 or 15 years ago with ease…

"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee

by The American Ronin on Nov 25, 2010 12:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Where does it say anything about Pride?

"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"

by dedstrk316 on Nov 24, 2010 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

the statements get dumber and dumber. what part of Australia is London in?

by Simon Nicoll on Nov 24, 2010 12:38 PM EST reply actions  

can i axe you a question?

Colin Cowherd is more annoying than the Progressive radio commercials.

by Austin Martin on Nov 24, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Assuming you're talking to me certainly, axe away!

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by lesnarhypetrain on Nov 24, 2010 12:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

how does it feel to be derailed?

Colin Cowherd is more annoying than the Progressive radio commercials.

by Austin Martin on Nov 24, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL I was waiting for someone to ask that.

I kind of expected it after the Carwin fight. It feels kind of like you just straddled an electric fence wearing a speedo made of aluminum!

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by lesnarhypetrain on Nov 24, 2010 12:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Our pets Heads are falling off!

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by lesnarhypetrain on Nov 24, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

What a great article

I really liked it, especially your final paragraph thanking the fighters.

This one and the Marquardt article were really good, keep it up man!

by Luke Nelson on Nov 24, 2010 12:40 PM EST reply actions  

Gaaahhhhhhh. I used to love to dislike your articles so much!

Yet you’ve written 4-5 articles in a row that were thoughtful, insightful, low on sensationalism (The Lesnar/Carwin article was a personal favorite), low on snark, and simply quality writing. I think I’ll go walk into a wall now while the the world rights itself. I keed. I keed.

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by Rudinho479 on Nov 24, 2010 12:46 PM EST reply actions  

In hindsight everone is shit. Brock Lesnar was the UFC HW champion 1 fight ago how stupid is that?
Maybe I over stepped the mark, that statement is just stupid thats all. I was at the Pride Grand Prix final when Mark Coleman won, to say those athletes were a laughing stock of the sport is an insult to those men.

by Simon Nicoll on Nov 24, 2010 1:04 PM EST reply actions  

You've made the same general comment 4-5 times already

and every time others have made it clear that you’re taking the quote out of context and reading it too literally. Please just stop. Really.

"The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world..."

by Rudinho479 on Nov 24, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

what?

When did you start following mma?

please I think this is important, because I think half off you lot got into mma in the last 5-10 years, Ive been following mma from around the early Pancrase days, trust me I know what Im talking about.

by Simon Nicoll on Nov 24, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

No you don't.
Pride started with only heavyweights mate – Simon Nicoll

Go away!

by truck on Nov 24, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Everything was centred around the HW divsion don’t try and pull that shit with me and yes I do know who Jonathon fucking Snowden is FFS.

by Simon Nicoll on Nov 24, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

This has to be some kind of performance art.

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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 24, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Sorry I shut the show down on you guys

"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse

by Chris Barton on Nov 24, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I am glad.

I know I shouldn’t, but I can’t help but feed the trolls.

by truck on Nov 24, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

My favorite part is that the portrait for such a nice, positive article is Brock Lesnar giving us all the ol’ Italian fuck you :) But great job Snowden, these are all truly things to be grateful for.

by PistonHyundai on Nov 24, 2010 1:20 PM EST reply actions  

I'm thankful for MMA in general

With my Minnesota Vikings sucking it up big time and baseball season being over, it’s the only sport that I really find worth following at the moment.

by Emoney on Nov 24, 2010 1:25 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah.

The Vikings really really do suck.

by truck on Nov 24, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

But Favre’s just having fun out there, guys!

"The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world..."

by Rudinho479 on Nov 24, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh yes.

It is quite ugly having them on TV every week.

by Emoney on Nov 24, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel your pain homie…. Leslie Frazier FTW!

by moopwontplay on Nov 25, 2010 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

the internet is no place to be positive.

by hewsdaddy on Nov 24, 2010 1:46 PM EST reply actions  

Let's not get carried away with comparing fighters from today with fighters from then...

It was a completely different sport. What would the sport look like today if you could bring weapons into the cage (i.e. a Gi), or if your knuckles weren’t protected (no gloves at all)?

Faber, Florian, Nick Diaz, 'Mayhem', Mousasi, Fedor

by mma_dude on Nov 24, 2010 2:29 PM EST reply actions  

i think... you're missing... the point...

Colin Cowherd is more annoying than the Progressive radio commercials.

by Austin Martin on Nov 24, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the point is how far mma has come over the years. I was being a little nostalgic.

Faber, Florian, Diaz, 'Mayhem', Mousasi, Fedor

by mma_dude on Nov 24, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

nostal away man. don’t let me get in your way. imagine if urijah faber had to fight with no gloves? he wouldn’t be able to grip a shake weight when he was 40

Colin Cowherd is more annoying than the Progressive radio commercials.

by Austin Martin on Nov 24, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

either that, or he wouldn’t punch people in the head anymore.

Faber, Florian, Diaz, 'Mayhem', Mousasi, Fedor

by mma_dude on Nov 24, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Why any man needs a shake weight is beyond me. I’ve been using a homemade shake weight since the 3rd grade.

It's official. Les Miles DOES NOT have a deal with the devil. He beat him Nov. 6th, 24-21.

by DayGeaux on Nov 24, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

did you catch the new Southpark?

Colin Cowherd is more annoying than the Progressive radio commercials.

by Austin Martin on Nov 24, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I saw a part of it with the shake weight. It’s on the DVR.

It's official. Les Miles DOES NOT have a deal with the devil. He beat him Nov. 6th, 24-21.

by DayGeaux on Nov 24, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Way to Stir the Pot with Typical Snowden Sensationalism!

oops…I meant great article.

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by Snatchl on Nov 24, 2010 4:40 PM EST reply actions  

Two things I'm thankful for

The FW and BW divisions and I just found out that Seung Hwan Bang is gonna be at Art of Fighting 10 down here in sw florida!

"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"

by dedstrk316 on Nov 24, 2010 5:50 PM EST reply actions  

I'm thankful for

The FW and BW divisions getting the attention they deserve and I’m thankful that Seung Hwan Bang is gonna be at Art of Fighting 10 down here in SW Florida!

"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"

by dedstrk316 on Nov 24, 2010 6:10 PM EST reply actions  

Lose the moustache and its bas rutten.

Not that I condone facism or any ism for that matter. Isms are in my opinion, not good. A person shouldn't believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.

I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me". Good point there, after all he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. Wouldn't change the fact I have to bum rides off of people.

by Sam Cupitt on Nov 24, 2010 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

That's Mel Brooks noobs

he can see your swartz is not big as his.

The more you drive, the less intelligent you are.
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by Koob on Nov 25, 2010 12:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I can’t believe the dude from Fairport Convention was commenting here.

by JRN on Nov 25, 2010 12:05 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Nice essay.

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by James Brady on Nov 25, 2010 12:20 AM EST reply actions  

nb4 anyone implies I’m being negative, or a “rios” about things. It was a legitimate compliment :P

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by James Brady on Nov 25, 2010 12:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh man, sorry Snowden.

Best part of this piece was the fantastic spot of trolling by that Simon fellow. Article was good, though.

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by James Brady on Nov 25, 2010 12:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Sad to say I love Coker but his matchmaking dept (ello ello) is held by its balls by the fighters. It may not be hurting the fighters, but it’s hurting Strikeforce which yes is hurting the fighters.

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by Koob on Nov 25, 2010 12:29 AM EST reply actions  

I take issue with this statement

“Long the laughingstock of the sport, filled with fat guys in t-shirts throwing down for almost 30 seconds before heaving for breath, the division is suddenly super interesting. Much of that credit has to go to Brock Lesnar.”

Carwin gassed terribly while at the same time exposing Lesnar…..Lesnar was then humiliated by Cain at UFC 121.

I think the heavyweight division has always been interesting with legends like Fedor, Nog and Cro Cop all battling agaisnt each other to prove who is really number 1

and new guys like Cain, JDS, and *Overeem just legitimize it even further.

by Menime on Nov 25, 2010 1:29 AM EST reply actions  

I didn’t respond to the other guy, but you do realize that the sport was around for years before PRIDE started or any of those guys stepped into a ring or cage? Right?

by Jonathan Snowden on Nov 25, 2010 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Yea most definitely, i’ve done my homework, but you seem to give all credit to Lesnar. Maybe if you had just pointed out UFCs heavyweight division in the 90s, and you know, give some credit to the epic battles that took place during PRIDE :p

Anyways nice write up.

by Menime on Nov 25, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Speaking of the HW division...

Happy Thanksgiving

Food goes in here

by Pandanus on Nov 25, 2010 8:21 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

HAHHAHAHAHA

Wandy fucking rules! Great photo shop.

by Riney on Nov 25, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

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