Joe Rogan's Homophobic Slur May End in Reporter's Dismissal; Rogan Apologizes for Use of Term
The situation started ugly and only got worse. As the day went on slurs flew along with hard words. It ended with the UFC's iconic announcer Joe Rogan claiming credit for getting Fighter's Only writer Tomas Rios fired from one of the industry's leading magazines and using a homophobic slur to describe the reporter.
It all began, believe it or not, with an obscure kick popularized by Brazilian K-1 star Francisco Fihlo. The so-called "Brazilian kick" was employed in the Tyson Griffin-Nik Lentz fight at UFC 123. Rogan, a former taekwondo standout, called the kick a "question mark kick" and Rios, an acerbic and aggressive journalist took him to task on twitter:
"Joe Rogan calling a Brazilian kick the "question mark kick" during Griffin/Lentz is pantheon level cluelessness."
That is par for the course for Rios, who has rarely been called to the carpet for his attacking style. But following the lead of fighter Sean McCorkle, who claims his own flame war with Rios caused the reporter to be fired from Sherdog earlier this month, Rogan fired back on the Underground:
He's a dumb c**t. That's exactly what it's called. Before it was ever the Brazilian kick it was also called a "fake front kick roundhouse kick."
-Note all obscenities obscured to comply with SBNation policy
K-1 announcer Michael Schiavello joined the pile on:
It got called The Brazilian Kick because Francisco Filho would throw it to great effect and then other Brazilians like Feitosa would use it similarly... so the Japanese mostly dubbed it the Brazilian Kick as a catchy gimmick because the Brazilians (started with Filho) made it their kickboxing specialty. Before that it was called, commonly, a question mark kick because the foot paints an invisible question mark in the air as it travels.
BTW even before Filho was using it, other Brazilians like Ademir daCosta used it... but Filho made it truly famous.
BTW again... Filho used to call in often just a Kubi Geri (kobe geri) or neck kick.
It has also been called an upside down kick because you sneak OVER the top and the opponent's defense and then come down with the kick.
But hey, a dumb c**t wouldn't know this! ;-)
But simply embarrassing Rios wasn't enough for Rogan. Whether his pride was injured by Rios's twitter attack or he just wanted to settle the score in the most permanent fashion, Rogan pushed the war of words further. Calling Rios a homophobic slur of the most repulsive variety, Rogan claimed he had him fired from Fighter's Only:
Rios no longer writes for Fighters Only magazine. I got him fired. First time I've ever done this to a so called mma journalist, but I've had more than enough of these f**king zeros clogging up the sport with their incompetent bullsh*t.
You wanted my attention, f**got? You got it.
Here's another example of MMA not quite being ready for primetime. Can you imagine John Madden or Joe Buck going on a popular sport's message board, calling a Sports Illustrated reporter a "f**got" and then bragging about getting them fired? It would be front page news in sports sections nationwide and the lead story on Sports Center. It's entirely unacceptable, if true, that Fighter's Only would allow Rogan to dictate who covers the sport for their magazine or website (the magazine didn't respond to requests for comments prior to publication). The use of the homophobic slur only makes the entire ugly incident just a little sleazier.
Joe Rogan should know better than this. The world is not a giant comedy club and a critical reporter is not a heckler to be shouted down. It's one thing to make the decision to engage a critic head on. I do that all the time in the comments here on Bloody Elbow, although like Rogan, it's often to my own detriment. I also understand his frustration with Rios, a needlessly negative journalist I don't personally care for. But the repulsive name calling is inappropriate in any circumstance. The sport deserves a better representative than that. I hope Joe keeps that in mind the next time he goes on the offensive.
Update: Rios offers Bloody Elbow an exclusive statement
First things first, as far as I know I'm still freelancing for Fighters Only. My opinions of Joe Rogan's commentary are entirely my own and in no way reflect the opinions of anyone at Fighters Only. I've often taken issue with Rogan's commentary and stand by my comments. His usage of terminology and analysis that is reflective only of his own training background and not that of the fighters actually in the cage is grating. Disagreements on semantics are secondary however to the issue of how he reacted to the controversial decision in the Tyson Griffin/Nik Lentz bout. Before the decision was even announced he was defending the possibility of Lentz winning. Based on the judging criteria in the unified rules of MMA, Griffin should have won the decision and every major MMA media outlet at the event scored the bout for Griffin.
With that out of the way, I'd like to make it clear that none of this matters. My comments were aimed exclusively at Rogan's commentary. He has responded with homophobic language which I consider unfortunate at best. There are many LGBTQ fans of MMA who are forced to deal with this sort of language in their daily lives. If I regret anything about what I said, it's that it made him feel the need to use the language that he did. I know many people who read this will be dismissive of what I'm saying, but the fact remains we live in a world that makes the lives of LGBTQ people difficult at best. I hope Rogan apologizes to the people he offended.
UPDATE [from Luke Thomas]: I changed one word in the title of Jon's post. I substituted "rant" for "slur". In reading through Joe Rogan's comments, I'm not sure it's fair to say there was a rant, much less a homophobic one. That said, the term Rogan used is certainly a slur. I'm not really sure where I stand on the issue because Rogan occupies a weird space between sports professional and often crude entertainer. I'm also very certain he does not hate homosexuals in any way. Still, the use of the term seems awfully unnecessary.
UPDATE 2 Rogan apologizes for the use of a slur in reference to Rios:
I apologize for my use of the word "fa*got." I enjoy that word immensely, and although I do not intend for its use to be interpreted as a negative term for homosexuals, but rather as I've always used it to imply that a person is weak and pathetic, which I believe Rios to be. I understand that in this ultra-sensitive, politically correct world we live in one must be careful of the words they choose, for in choosing the wrong one you can give your adversary a new angle of distraction, as I see Rios is concentrating on that now instead of owning up to the fact that he has no f*cking idea what the proper terminology of the kick he criticized me of describing was.
What's really important is not a hot button insult word, or a disagreement on terms used to describe techniques, but rather completely incompetent reporters masquerading as martial arts experts. Rios is a negative a**hole that consistently insults fighters and produces fight breakdowns that resemble what I would expect from an angry failure with no friends who has spent too much time alone with a thesaurus trying to convince people that he's clever.
I have sat back and watched this shit-head spout out his horrible, disrespectful nonsense for a long time, and was truly happy when he was fired by sherdog, and absolutely perplexed when I found out that Fighters Only Magazine is actually giving him actual real money for the bulls*it he's trying to pass off as journalism.
Fighters Only is one of the very best magazines in the sport, and as per my correspondence with them I'm delighted that I'm not the only one that thinks he's an a**hat and a terrible journalist.
When I saw that he had opened his dumb trap about me I welcomed the opportunity to shut him up.
As for my use of the offensive word "f**got" please accept my apologies and replace it with "c**k-sucker."
Thank you, and good day.
FINAL UPDATE: We're reopening comments thanks to the generous volunteer efforts of community moderator Chris Barton. Play nice everyone.
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I would hardly call this a homophobic rant. Sensationalism much?
by Cordycep on Nov 22, 2010 11:02 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
I mean...
It IS a rant and it IS homophobic but it’s not really a homophobic rant…
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by Applejack McNeil on Nov 22, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
I am sick and tired of the gay and race cards
It’s BS. Everytime we disagree with someone we just accuse them of being this and that. Yes. The word was unfortunate but that does not make Rogan homophobic in my opinion
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by SheepleBuster on Nov 22, 2010 11:07 PM EST up reply actions 35 recs
yup
"We just had a near life experience."
Semper Fi'
Pain don't hurt...
by RolloTomasi on Nov 22, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
No
It makes him irresponsible and idiotic.
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by Neil Manich on Nov 22, 2010 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
why
we as a nation need to stop being cowards and try to read people’s mind with everything they say. It’s BS.The whole N word, F word BS is getting really silly at this point. Words mean absolutely nothing to me. If people act on their words, that’s another thing. Let’s stop all the silliness.
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by SheepleBuster on Nov 22, 2010 11:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
its extremely easy for me to agree
but im a white middle class straight male… there isnt any word u can say thats gonna offend me
"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
by milk72 on Nov 22, 2010 11:50 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
In the same boat
But its a moot point, as the oversensitivity is a reality of our time. Both Rogan and DW should be more aware of this when speaking on any public forum.
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by Neil Manich on Nov 22, 2010 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
The sad truth kids should be taught:
Sticks and stones can break my bones but words will never hurt me carry more power than you can imagine.
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by pdl on Nov 22, 2010 11:53 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Words have as much power as you let them to have
I am a Persian. There was a time I was afraid to say where I was from because of what some terrorist BS people did. But then I realized, words mean nothing if I want them to mean nothing. That’s really all to it. Bill Cooper said it best. We have got better things to do than wasting time with political correctness.
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by SheepleBuster on Nov 22, 2010 11:55 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
You should teach kindergarden
that was great.
"We just had a near life experience."
Semper Fi'
Pain don't hurt...
by RolloTomasi on Nov 22, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
Go up to the next 250-pound black man you see
then call him an n-word. Then tell him it didn’t mean anything because it’s just a word.
Then see how well he takes it.
BOOSH
this seems like really bad advice....
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by Chris Hall on Nov 22, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I am not saying you should use those words
I am saying, you should not let others play with your mind with these types of words. So what if I did that and the black man did not take me seriously. Would the world end? No. But we are a nation of oversensitive crybabies. But no. We are programmed to react. We are programmed to make big deal out of these things. All the other s*** going on in this world would not matter for a few seconds if I use that word. The black man is programmed to react badly and attack me if I did.
You got to understand. This whole N word, F word, whatever word, religions, politics, political correctness, nationalism, patriotism, … they are all tools to divide us.
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by SheepleBuster on Nov 23, 2010 12:01 AM EST up reply actions 16 recs
Rec’d. I don’t appreciate people throwing words like faggot around so casually in a public forum as Joe did. However, I do feel that we’re to the point where we’re training ourselves to respond reflexively and stupidly to words themselves, rather than meaning, which is of course, the point of words. To convey meaning. I think we all know what Joe was trying to convey, he just picked a bad word in a public place. It’s not a big deal, but I would say that Joe should take a bit of heat for cheaply choosing a “mean” word, instead of conveying his meaning more sensibly and responsibly. A man who makes his living from words should have better command of them in a given setting.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Nov 23, 2010 12:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'll be damned.
I just rec’d Sheeple twice. Didn’t I use to constantly disagree with you on Junkie? Maybe it was here..seems like it was junkie though, regardless, I couldn’t agree more with what you are saying here. People need to seriously get over words..they are just fucking words.
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by ShoNuffthaMasta on Nov 23, 2010 1:13 AM EST up reply actions
What's the old Kid Nate quote?
“You guys are jerking each other off with pseudo-intellectual bullshit.”
Yeah, that.
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by Anthony Pace on Nov 23, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
pseudo-deep
I suffer from IBS, otherwise known as "Influx of Billick Syndrome".
by SSreporters on Nov 23, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks, it's been a while
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by Anthony Pace on Nov 23, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
i think the real problem here
is that sheeple is getting 30 recs. this scares me.
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by Austin Martin on Nov 23, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd
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by S.C. Michaelson on Nov 23, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Words have meaning. David Foster Wallace would be losing his shit right now.
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by Neil Manich on Nov 22, 2010 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
I think that train's left the station
Perhaps my best years are gone... but I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
by jebushchrist on Nov 22, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
Or, as DFW might say it,
Out of a station the train came erect to f. the world with a hundred fools it’s hardening blood, fucking the countryside, one grand long d. along nature, the rapist called civilization, onto a place where children will meet long lost parents.
/or some such shit.
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by Anthony Pace on Nov 23, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Great for you.
I got jumped by racist motherfuckers who shouted that I was a “spic” and a “dirty mexican.” They didn’t care until they could attach those words to my identity, and then got a group together to kick my ass.
If you think words don’t have power you’re living in a goddamn fantasy world on about a billion levels. The only reason I don’t envy your bliss is that the required ignorance is fucking mind numbing.
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by pdl on Nov 22, 2010 11:58 PM EST up reply actions 13 recs
NOTE: I'm not even mexican. I'm Puerto Rican.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
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agreed.
People shouldn’t call people racist things because it’s just not a good way to treat people. People 100% shouldn’t be jumping people based on their race…whether or not they can even identify your real race. That said, the real issue in this instance was that they jumped you. If they just called you some racist shit and left you could write it off as a bunch of dumbass nazi trash and nobody would be hurt for it.
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by ShoNuffthaMasta on Nov 23, 2010 1:16 AM EST up reply actions
On the flip side of this
I’ve told a story here before about a guy who said he wasn’t racist after he graffiti’d a swastika on a house, just thought it was something to do. And I hit him in the goddamn face.
He didn’t attack or physically assault anybody, but he made a family live in fear in their own home. Hate speech and symbols of hate carry power for a reason. They instill fear. Fuck that.
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by pdl on Nov 23, 2010 1:26 AM EST up reply actions 14 recs
I was disagreeing with you before about Rogan's apology
but to this I just have to say, “Fuck Yeah, PDL!” And you are rec’d
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fair enough.
Can we agree then that people should avoid doing things that harm others or put them in fear of being harmed..but if you just get in an argument with someone calling them a bad name is just calling them a bad name regardless which bad name it is? You still probably shouldn’t do it, but if you do you probably shouldn’t cause 700 posts on bloody elbow in an hour.
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by ShoNuffthaMasta on Nov 23, 2010 1:32 AM EST up reply actions
You're Puerto Rican?
As someone who is half-PR, it’s pretty annoying that all my friends constantly reference “West Side Story” and snap their fingers when I get angry at something.
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by Anthony Pace on Nov 23, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
But is anybody here even gay?
I am not offended because I am not gay, so it has nothing to do with me. Are all the people upset and commenting actually gay? If there is a homosexual poster here on BE in an mma forum, the comment your outrage and I will be interested and sympathise. If not, why the hell would any of you care so much??
'How's taste my pee pee pee?'
That's terrible
if you only care about minorities only if they are around to hear you.
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by Chris Barton on Nov 23, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How many gay people will even hear of this?
they wont know, or probably just ask who the hell Joe Rogan is if they hear it, so there is no need for outrage. Plus Joe was really cool to that black gay guy at 123 on Dana´s blog, no harm done.
'How's taste my pee pee pee?'
I don’t know how this escapes you, but my previous reply to you works again here. It’s not okay to be be a bigot just because the people you hate aren’t around to hear or see it.
I don’t think Rogan is a bigot at all.
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by Chris Barton on Nov 23, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I dont think he is either
and what I´m saying since you are not grasping the thought, is that gay people probably won´t think he is either.
'How's taste my pee pee pee?'
I’m not comfortable dictating what gay people will think.
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by Chris Barton on Nov 23, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
no one asked you to dictate
it’s my opinion, a big deal over nothing. Joe is famous and important to us in our little MMA world, but I doubt the gay community cares.
'How's taste my pee pee pee?'
They cared
When Dana made that video. Regardless, people should be upset if someone does something bigoted. It doesn’t matter if the affected party is there to be offended or not.
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by Chris Barton on Nov 23, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I see that
you don´t feel comfortable dictating what gay people will think, but feel comfortable being offended for them in their absence. I would bet they would be embarrassed for you and tell you it´s no big deal, it´s not what Rogan meant.
'How's taste my pee pee pee?'
You sure seem
to think you know how the entire gay community thinks and feels.
It’s kind of creepy.
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by Chris Barton on Nov 23, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
creepy? If I were gay I would be creepy?
My uncle is gay, he is a man’s man though and just laughed and said who gives a shit when I told him about this. You are stereotyping the gay community as prissy and easily offended, your kind of sympathy is something they dont want or need.
'How's taste my pee pee pee?'
Again
you don’t speak for the entire community, gay uncle notwithstanding.
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by Chris Barton on Nov 23, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
no I dont
but neither does anyone´s here, which is why I initially said the offended party´s opinion is the true one that matters, the rest is just you bitching about something you really don´t know about.
'How's taste my pee pee pee?'
Sticking up for a minority is never a bad thing.
Your initial point wasn’t that, by the way. It was, “If you’re not gay it shouldn’t bother you”. Which is a really, silly and callous stance to take on bigotry.
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by Chris Barton on Nov 23, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It’s called being an Ally. In systems of oppression, it is often beneficial to have sympathetic people of the privileged group to give voice to the oppressed where they would otherwise go unheard.
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by loboplata on Nov 23, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I doubt they would appreciate being called oppressed
before coming to their rescue, check if they want or need your help. They are not as defenseless as everyone here thinks, and the attitudes here is worse than Rogan´s use of the word hedid not even meaning to offend homosexuals. Off your high horses everyone, nothing to see here.
'How's taste my pee pee pee?'
You are totally
clueless as to the struggles currently going on in the gay community. It all makes sense now.
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by Chris Barton on Nov 23, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
alright, stay up there
if it makes you feel good to think you are standing up for what´s right. True you are not doing any harm here, but your 1982 attitude to the gay community would offend a lot of them out in the real world. This all isn´t really a big deal or important, they dont care about Rogan.
'How's taste my pee pee pee?'
Oddly, none of my gay friends are offended. You should really talk to them so they can understand better how they should feel.
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by Chris Barton on Nov 23, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
oppressed != defenseless
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppression
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In Return.
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I’ve spoken with enough gay friends on the matter to think that is not the case.
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You'd be surprised
Anything that gets their name in the press
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by S.C. Michaelson on Nov 23, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
there are lots of people here that are gay
and there are gay fighters, gay promoters, gay announcers, gay bloggers, every kind of person in MMA comes in gay.
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DMT does that to you son
which is why I cut Rogan some slack
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by SheepleBuster on Nov 23, 2010 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
Still, the root of your troubles were not these words but bored, undereducated idiots that were happily using their half-digested ideology as grounds to try and kick your ass. Of course derogatory terms can be used to “organize hate”. I think to dispute that is foolish.
But the discussion above is more about the climate of political correctness that seeks to punish the use of words without asking for context and intention. If somebody uses the N-word because he grew up with rap-songs and just finds it cooler / funnier to call his peers “n*****” instead of “dude” or whatever, just let him. And if Rogan uses “f*****” in a way that suggests it’s not meant to be homophobic, maybe it should be a non-issue. A bit of chill couldn’t hurt in that area.
To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.
Bill Cooper?
the conspiracy nut who talked his way into getting shot to death by the ATF?
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 22, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
I am not saying I agreed with everything he said
I took one sentence he said. Is that so wrong?
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by SheepleBuster on Nov 23, 2010 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
you're making a completely baseless argument that words have no power.
When all the evidence in the world is against you. Yup – WRONG
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I was at a lecture once where a freshman baptist college divinity student objected to a black professor’s calls for political correctness since words don’t really have power.
He looked her straight in the eye and said “So it’d be ok if I called you a stupid white bitch then?”
Getting bent out of shape over a fight promoter lying is like getting upset that a hooker won't kiss you. It betrays a deep lack of understanding of the nature of the profession.
by Stanlee on Nov 23, 2010 12:07 AM EST up reply actions 15 recs
That. Is. Awesome.
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Haha
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by Neil Manich on Nov 23, 2010 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
To me that's Ok
If you are calling me something I am not, why does it matter? Since 2001, people have said Iranians are terrorists and all kinds of stuff. When we didn’t have anything to do with 9/11. So call me a terrorist. Look at me like I have three horns. Who cares!! If I am offended by your word, maybe you have a point :)
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by SheepleBuster on Nov 23, 2010 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
You are aware you aren't everybody in the world right?
Like lets say hypothetically it felt good when I got kicked in the dick, that doesn’t mean you should go around kicking everybody in the dick.
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by Neil Manich on Nov 23, 2010 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
I do know that. It'd be arrogant of me to assume
some people won’t find words offensive. I am saying, we need to change our mindset. Stop being sheeples and start actually focusing on what’s important. I think people need to awaken and realize these little things don’t matter in the big picture.
I would go in other areas but I am already venturing well outside of what this site is all about. I am not saying you are wrong. I am saying we need real change. Is that so wrong?
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by SheepleBuster on Nov 23, 2010 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
How much does beer cost in your world?
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I wouldn't know.
haha
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by SheepleBuster on Nov 23, 2010 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
No beer in your world????
and I was thinking about movin there….
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I am a Zoroastrain my man
We don’t drink beer just for fun :) Only stuff like DMT and things like that that can enhance consciousness. Beer does not do that the last time I checked
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by SheepleBuster on Nov 23, 2010 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know what a Zoroastrain is
but if mushrooms count. I might be back in
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It's one of the oldest religions
Just to be clear, I am not a religious person. I just had to choose something. The only thing from that religion I really believe are what’s in my signature.
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by SheepleBuster on Nov 23, 2010 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
so what's the call on the mushrooms I'm still up for relocation
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I am a big proponent of the "magic" ones
I actually downloaded like 4 GB of information on how to grow them. Try torrent sites if interested. Last time I checked the file was still up
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by SheepleBuster on Nov 23, 2010 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
good deal
I’m there. Words mean nothing. and have no power.
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by Chris Hall on Nov 23, 2010 12:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
it's probably the first great monotheistic religion
always cool to meet a zoroastrian.
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 23, 2010 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
am impressed. not many people
know about it. We are a dying breed you know. Not many of us around it seems.
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by SheepleBuster on Nov 23, 2010 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
you're the second i've met in my life
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 23, 2010 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
Yes
The way we have been decimated in our country, there are probably 4 more us left :) The religion has been distorted like everything else though. Mr. Z never actually called himself a prophet.
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by SheepleBuster on Nov 23, 2010 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
You're Zoroastrian?
Awesome! Does having a car company named for your god offend any of you?
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by Scott C. Broussard on Nov 23, 2010 1:50 AM EST up reply actions
Nah.
Not me. I don’ care what you think of me, my god, and my heritage. Who cares. Life is a ride. I intend to have a nice ride :)
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by SheepleBuster on Nov 23, 2010 8:00 AM EST up reply actions
I think it’s awesome. I wish there more Zoroastrians around. More interesting than most religions I’ve encountered.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Nov 23, 2010 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
Isn’t it technically duothiestic with Mazda and Ahriman?
Besides Mithra, that’s all I know about it.
by John Nash on Nov 23, 2010 1:19 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Summers in Rangoon?
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by Anthony Pace on Nov 23, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
That a very powerful and positive midset you have, and I think many could learn from that kind of thinking… But the problem with words is that, while they can’t hurt you if you don’t let them, they can influence others. And how they influence them you may have no control. When people clamor about are enemies the Persians, without distinguishing or fleshing out the history of animosity they have with Sunni fundamentalists or Arab nationalist, or make racist propaganda like the “300”, people like you are left to feel the brunt. Wouldn’t things be better if those making such wild accusations took the time, and courtesy, to be informed before sprouting off such hateful garbage?
by John Nash on Nov 23, 2010 12:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yes. Have to say
the first few weeks after 9/11 were very traumatic. Let’s just say we didn’t show our faces in too many places. When I added “Turn yourself not away from three best things: Good Thought, Good Word, and Good Deed”, I truly believe it. It’s very hard to follow but that’s really all we need to change our world.
The “words” and their power are not the only things wrong with this world. Wouldn’t it be nice if people actually spend more time educating themselves than watching TV. Or didn’t buy stuff they didn’t need or didn’t care too much about trying to asset superiority over others.
Call it corny but I do believe we, each of us, have the power to change the word. If we change our mindset. No one is perfect but every little step would help. No?
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by SheepleBuster on Nov 23, 2010 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
I kind of agree, although I am such a hardcore realist that I tend to think that people should to focus on themselves before they set about trying to change the world. In fact, the Burkean in me says any attempts to change the world will probably only make things worse.
My issue – and this goes back to Rogan’s comments – is civility. It isn’t that the word “faggor” is verbatim, its that it’s rude of him to use it. To hide behind the shield of anti-PCism when really he’s being a crude asshole is pathletic.
A lot of people seem to have a lot of trouble distinguishing the difference between political correctness and civility.
by John Nash on Nov 23, 2010 1:03 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I completely understand your position man – its just that you share the world. If people find the word faggot offensive – then dont say it. Its not that hard.
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by vivero on Nov 23, 2010 1:30 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I had never heard anything about 300 being racist propaganda
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Here is the thing.
It may or may have been racist. I just don’t pay attention to these things. Not the worst thing I have seen.
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by SheepleBuster on Nov 23, 2010 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
It was just interesting to me
Being a young white male, its hard for me to understand a lot of sensitivities. I love this movies and never thought anything about race/prejudice being a part of it. It was a hyperbolic portrayal of a legendary historic battle in my mind.
In short its hard for me to see where that would come from, and as I didn’t hear any report of it at the time, its strange for it to jump up like this years later.
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I should clarify
it wasn’t any more racist than Triumph of the Will, Birth of a Nation, or The Eternal Jew.
by John Nash on Nov 23, 2010 12:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Never heard of any of those
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Being no more racist than Birth of a Nation is basically the same as being no more funny looking than Maggie Gyllenhal.
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by Neil Manich on Nov 23, 2010 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
I now understand the analogy
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Also, Woodrow Wilson screened Birth of a Nation at the White House with his Southern nepotistically appointed colleagues. Cool right?
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by Neil Manich on Nov 23, 2010 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
You got it
Although I met Maggie and find her hot. In person, at least.
by John Nash on Nov 23, 2010 1:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think she's hot.
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by ShoNuffthaMasta on Nov 23, 2010 1:24 AM EST up reply actions
I think that words are power
But how much power you let them effect you is a choice.
When you engage with someone that is attempting to use words to illicit energy from you, you have the choice to engage back, which feeds the energy and feeds the vampire looking for it, or you can not engage and allow the words to deflect off of you, thus neutralizing the energy. The power isn’t necessarily in the word, but your reaction to it. You also have the choice to jump on board, which is probably the lowest of the choices.
This site, for example, engages, which feeds the entire process, but there’s payoff of course. The engagement is, ultimately, two willing parties looking for another party to engage against. Point a finger, get into an argument, etc. It’s not so much the issue, but the juice that arises from the issue.
that should be.
in my mind, it wouldn’t be ok to call her a stupid white bitch for no reason, but if she said something racist to him and he said that back..no harm done in my mind.
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by ShoNuffthaMasta on Nov 23, 2010 1:19 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not a big Christian
but Jesus had a good saying “by their fruits ye shall know them” and Bill Cooper’s eventual tragic suicide by cop is a pretty classic example of what jesus meant by that.
False prophets produce poison fruit. Bill Cooper’s theory that words had no meaning resulted in his eventual death, if we’re talking about the same Bill Cooper.
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 23, 2010 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
Bill Cooper's health deteriorated at the end of his life
He became paranoid with all his anti-government talk. He was not paying his taxes. He was drinking a lot of booze. Like Rogan, he believed in Aliens for a while too. I don’t agree with none of that. I don’t judge Bill Cooper. I was not really that old to even listen to his program in the 90s. I caught probably 4 or 5 of his shows on YouTube. In one, he addressed how Racism, Sexism, Nationalism, and all these tools are being used to divide us. I agree with that wholeheartedly. All the other stuff he said, that’s his reality not mine. He killed a cop when he had some serious mental issues in the end.
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by SheepleBuster on Nov 23, 2010 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
Bill Cooper was NOT Jesus
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 23, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
SheepleBuster....
FuckinA man, i LOVEEE the Bill Cooper reference!!! that is awesome!! who woulda thought that on an MMA website, his name would come up!! He also said that the last pope was the same man who came up with the chemical to mass murder the Jews in the Concentration Camps in his book “behold a pale horse”!! Dont be so sure about the non-existence of UFO’s, because i have personally seen a HUGE triangle craft with three lights at each corner and one in the middle, just hovering silently for quite a while…ahh, im off topic!!
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by Curtis Wooden on Nov 23, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
Some dead guy who was crazy enough to tell people to go around being nice to people all the time. Weirdo.
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He’s part of Rampage’s entourage…
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by Stanlee on Nov 23, 2010 12:17 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
don't go there. I went there once and got a warning. haha
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by SheepleBuster on Nov 23, 2010 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
...
Are you a small Christian?
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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 23, 2010 1:36 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
LOL
That was honestly the first thing I thought of, but I didn’t think it was worth saying. I knew I could leave it hanging and you’d take the ball and run with it.
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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 23, 2010 1:39 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
My standards for both are pretty low
And both frequently involve fake boobs for some reason. But I’m glad you ran with this one.
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I read your story about being jumped several times in this post and others you have made. I think That scarred you. People get jumped and mugged all the time. I am white and have been jumped. It builds character brother. Any fight you can walk away from is a good fight.
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by the-gentle-way on Nov 23, 2010 1:04 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Wow, your right, I was scarred by physical assault from ignorant racists.
Brilliant insight. I’d thank you for this insight, except that every person I meet can see the scars on my face, everyone at the beach can see the scars on my body.
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ok now i feel like a dick
Scars on the face suck. I hope the aren’t that bad.
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by the-gentle-way on Nov 23, 2010 2:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
*they
"I wish Anthony Pace was my father just so I could claim to be the fruit of his loins."
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
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by the-gentle-way on Nov 23, 2010 2:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not too bad.
A webcam or skype convo won’t pick them up but you’ll see it in a face to face conversation. Not even comparable to Jose Aldo, closer to the “girls dig scars” kind of thing, but definitely visible. On the plus side I have plenty of hobbies where I injure myself anyways, so they just kinda meld in with the rest of the bumps and bruises.
And my reply was pretty standoff-ish. Don’t go to bed feeling like an ass for that, it’s all good and I’ve made peace with what happened. Just don’t want anybody else to have to deal with it.
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good.glad to hear it.
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by the-gentle-way on Nov 23, 2010 3:07 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
sure why not.
"I wish Anthony Pace was my father just so I could claim to be the fruit of his loins."
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by the-gentle-way on Nov 23, 2010 2:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree and disagree...
I’ve been jumped and while it may have built some character it really just made me want to murder those assholes.
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by ShoNuffthaMasta on Nov 23, 2010 1:26 AM EST up reply actions
People get jumped and mugged all the time. I am white and have been jumped. It builds character brother. Any fight you can walk away from is a good fight.
^easily the most macho thing said on BE. thats fucking stupid.
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no its reality..
not sure where you live or what you do.. but getting into trouble is the norm for a percentage of youths. It is not the right thing to do.. but it happens.
trust me getting jumped IS extremely character building.
You learn who/what friends are..
you learn what matters..
you learn that people care about you more than you thought.
you learn you have something to live for..
you also learn that their are plenty of unhappy people out there and you have to learn to run away from those bad bad people..
if your a young man.. these are some very very valuables lessons.. if that’s not building character .. I don’t know what is.
ps if you have never been in a fight.. your a percentage of the society that hasnt been in a fight.. consider your self lucky but don’t tell people that have been through lifes shit.. and learned from it that “easily the most macho thing said on BE. Fucking stupid.”
Have some empathy towards others.. different situations, experiences..
I’ve never been jumped, maybe I look too fierce (probably this one), maybe I look too poor, maybe I’m just lucky. I’ve helped guys that were being jumped though.
There was a guy in my high-school his name was Polnareff, and he was a beast, regional box thai champ, never lost a street fight, a legend. He got jump by only five dudes and they stole his new phone, he didn’t learned shit, he just got outnumbered by assholes, got a rib cracked and some bruises. I learned something though, no matter how badass you are, when you’re outnumbered you’re fucked.
They see me rollin...
thats an important lesson.
Three fucks that can’t fight can almost always beat up one bad mother fucker.
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by the-gentle-way on Nov 23, 2010 2:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
The article doesn’t describe Rogan as homophobic. It calls his “rant” homophobic. There’s an important difference there.
His rant isn’t though. It’s about Tomas Rios. One word of it is stupid and deplorable. But it doesn’t describe 99% of the “rant”.
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by Kyle Overeem on Nov 22, 2010 11:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You must be a white straight male
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by S.C. Michaelson on Nov 23, 2010 7:04 AM EST up reply actions
ASSumption
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by S.C. Michaelson on Nov 23, 2010 7:07 AM EST up reply actions
I don't like faggots but then I'm vegetarian
Oh, wait, you mean faggot was a legitimate word with a legitimate definition long before it became this exclusive slur? It was never even a slur just aimed at the gay community but anyone who displayed emotional and personality characteristics of a meatball: mince meat with no discernible structure (or backbone). Similar to calling someone a jellyfish many decades ago, but jellyfish doesn’t have the Anglo Saxon bite to its phonetics with hard syllables that so easily grate on our cochleas. Perhaps we should start using meatball in its place as a social experiment to see if we’re going to censor that word in years to come.
Maybe less effort should be put into trying to criminalise parts of our own language, and more concentration on what’s important like not being physically abused or assaulted, the mental abuse that actually comes from a gang mentality of singling someone out and looking for legitimate civil rights like the right to marry.
by KJ Gould on Nov 23, 2010 8:52 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
You can't be this...
Do you really think he was calling him meat? or a bundle of sticks?
Most slurs are other words commandeered.
Do you really think slurs came without physical and mental abuse? Or denial of rights?
Blacks were just called “n*gger” and nothing else happened? Gays were just called “f*ggots” and nothing else happened? Women were just called “c*nts” and nothing else happened?
That is an extremely SILLY view of the world. .
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by S.C. Michaelson on Nov 23, 2010 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
Do you really think he was calling him meat? or a bundle of sticks?
Do you really think he was calling him a homossexual and denying his rights?
Yours is SILLY sensationalist argument.
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by J. B. Maddox on Nov 23, 2010 9:56 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He was equating him to a homosexual yes
A f*ggot = gay person
Rios = a f*ggot
Substitution property
Rios = gay person
To take it further, Rogan said:
Rios = weak and pathetic
Therefore gay person = weak and pathetic
Why don’t you learn the reason why “f*ggot” started being used towards non-gay men. It was an insult saying that you were less than a man. He may not have been calling him gay, but he was equating him with a homosexual in an insulting way, so I can see how people would be upset with that.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Nov 23, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This is exactly right...
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 23, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
go to that thread on the UG
and tell me if those guys were in a room with Rios that they wouldn’t have physically attacked him while shouting slurs. Seriously.
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 23, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
Well I doubt that, being "internet tough guys"
But I get your point. It was a special type of vitriol attached to that thread. Part of it is Rogan hugging.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Nov 23, 2010 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
And it's not about him "denying his rights",
It’s about those slurs coming with cost. All the beatings/killings that gay people took while being called “f*ggots”, you could understand why they are upset with the usage of the word.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Nov 23, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
If you love the word enough to defend its use, then use it
Say it as much as you want. Shout it from the rooftops. Don’t let the sun set on a day where you didn’t publicly call someone a faggot. I think you could be the one to decriminalize hate crimes. Make it happen.
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by jebushchrist on Nov 23, 2010 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
i wish the gay community would find their version of rap music to re-appropriate the word fag and take some of the power out of it so the rest of the world could carry on using it without any connotation of prejudice
aren't there plenty of other perfectly good words
like what’s wrong with asshole or douchebag?
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 22, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Or as you told me and Rob Joyner that one time
“Get Cancer”
by smoogy2 on Nov 22, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
That's where it is kind of weird.
It’s okay to tell someone to get cancer or jump in front of a bus but it’s not okay that Rogan called someone that name. Just seems like an odd stance to take.
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by Geno Mrosko on Nov 22, 2010 11:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
when did anyone say it was ok to to tell people to get cancer?
I was wrong. I apologized.
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 22, 2010 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
It’s okay to tell someone to get cancer or jump in front of a bus but it’s not okay that Rogan called someone that name.
Buses hit people with fairness and equality.
that was in a private conversation
and I apologized later.
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 22, 2010 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
So Rogan's in the clear with an apology?
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by Chris Hall on Nov 22, 2010 11:22 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
yes
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by RolloTomasi on Nov 22, 2010 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
Ben Rothlessberger
pert near raped a girl and got off with an apology (and a 4 game sit down)
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by RolloTomasi on Nov 22, 2010 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
4 game sitdown is a big deal
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If he actually raped a girl
he should be shot.
by truck on Nov 22, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
For attempted rape?
He should have gotten jail time.
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by RolloTomasi on Nov 22, 2010 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
You're sarcasm meter is off
I agree with you
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opps sorry
I thought you were a Pit fan.
Pit fans should be shot…………./sarcasm
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by RolloTomasi on Nov 22, 2010 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
lol
yeah, you were way off. Who Dey! (Yes football season is depressing for me)
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Oh no...
Me too. I’m sorry you have to join me in this hurt.
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by Chris Barton on Nov 22, 2010 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
also a Michigan fan. MMA gets me through these horrible times
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im a giants fan
outside of that miraculous run in 07 i feel like ive had a lifetime full of sad lonely drinking in december and january
"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
I feel bad for those of us that weren’t able to watch that end with the same morons (can I say that?) from new england that they watched week 17 with.
Those memories hold me over when idiots forget how to slide.
lets not talk about that
im still fuming, the amount of times the giants have torn my heart out is ridicoulous
when it gets bad though just put ur hands up to ur head and mimic the helmet catch, it always seems to cheer me up
"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
You all need to stop crying.
I live in Seattle
Our Baseball team is one of the worst EVER
Our basketball team got sent to Oklahoma
Our football team will win it’s div, but wont go far in the playoffs
Our college football team wont make a bowl this year (and 2 years ago we won 0 games!)
Be happy.
"We just had a near life experience."
Semper Fi'
Pain don't hurt...
by RolloTomasi on Nov 22, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
I live in Sacramento
Our only pro team is the Kings. Think about that.
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by Neil Manich on Nov 22, 2010 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
you both have me feeling much better about my situation
Its safe to say that without Playboy we wouldn't have MMA as we know it today. - Jonathan Snowden
But you have Urijah Faber
and Sac is a tiny city.
Seattle is too huge to suck so bad.
At least we have Randy…….
"We just had a near life experience."
Semper Fi'
Pain don't hurt...
by RolloTomasi on Nov 22, 2010 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
no offence
"We just had a near life experience."
Semper Fi'
Pain don't hurt...
by RolloTomasi on Nov 22, 2010 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
Team Alpha male keeps me sober.
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by Neil Manich on Nov 22, 2010 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
I can't believe that
Its safe to say that without Playboy we wouldn't have MMA as we know it today. - Jonathan Snowden
Your football team probably isn't going to win its division.
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by Richard Wade on Nov 23, 2010 2:31 AM EST up reply actions
Chargers looked pretty good tonight.
That fake punt call was brilliant. Not because it worked but because of what it represented. Turned the entire game. Denver was fucked after that play call.
Tell me though: why the fuck did they change their blue helmets to white? I know it happened a while ago but I never learned why.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
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The white helmets look better.
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by Richard Wade on Nov 23, 2010 3:11 AM EST up reply actions
Oh look at the confident Chargers fan
Norv. Turner.
Luke: What was our best moment?
Nate: When I banned Subo?
Luke: That was a good one.
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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 23, 2010 2:55 AM EST up reply actions
I'll take Turner over McDaniels any day.
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Bloody Elbow // "Richard is a jewel." - Kid Nate
by Richard Wade on Nov 23, 2010 3:11 AM EST up reply actions
This.
McDaniels = More intelligent Zorn.
I suffer from IBS, otherwise known as "Influx of Billick Syndrome".
by SSreporters on Nov 23, 2010 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
BE is no place for understatements
Perhaps my best years are gone... but I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
by jebushchrist on Nov 23, 2010 8:42 AM EST up reply actions
What?
Who is then?
Not Arizona there out of it.
Not SF they out of it
Maybe the Rams but they need to come to Seattle with a rookie QB in the loudest stadium in the NFL
We’re gonna win the div.
We got solid wins over S.D. Chi. we swept AZ and crushed SF.
"We just had a near life experience."
Semper Fi' (Now a proud member of Couch Company, 1st Civ Div.)
Pain don't hurt...
Let's not change the subject and get off topic
but it wasn’t attempted. He forced a girl into a bathroom and sexually assaulted her.
Perhaps my best years are gone... but I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
by jebushchrist on Nov 22, 2010 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
I thought she got away.
"We just had a near life experience."
Semper Fi'
Pain don't hurt...
by RolloTomasi on Nov 22, 2010 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
No, she did not. Not til he was done.
Perhaps my best years are gone... but I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
by jebushchrist on Nov 22, 2010 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
Jebuschrist!
Ididnotknow.
"We just had a near life experience."
Semper Fi'
Pain don't hurt...
by RolloTomasi on Nov 22, 2010 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
I don't recall any of that being proven in a court of law
did I miss something?
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 22, 2010 11:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Correct
Since he had bodyguards preventing anyone from entering the bathroom where he did it, and a police officer (who was also the same guy “investigating” the case) drinking with him that night. Not a lot of evidence for a conviction.
Also, the surveillance tapes from the bar were erased.
Doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
Perhaps my best years are gone... but I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
by jebushchrist on Nov 22, 2010 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
her bank account got bigger
And she dropped it. He is still a scum bag.
"I wish Anthony Pace was my father just so I could claim to be the fruit of his loins."
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
by the-gentle-way on Nov 22, 2010 11:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I always thought
They should lock the rapist in a room with the victims family and friends. Whatever happens happens.
by Bloodsport on Nov 23, 2010 12:04 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
agreed
"I wish Anthony Pace was my father just so I could claim to be the fruit of his loins."
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
by the-gentle-way on Nov 23, 2010 1:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
here's the good news
every rapist has died or will die very soon.
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 23, 2010 1:26 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Or
could win the Super Bowl this year. We’ll apparently never know.
Luke: What was our best moment?
Nate: When I banned Subo?
Luke: That was a good one.
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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 23, 2010 1:27 AM EST up reply actions
…not doing much in instilling a universal sense of justice in me here ,boss.
Luke: What was our best moment?
Nate: When I banned Subo?
Luke: That was a good one.
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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 23, 2010 1:34 AM EST up reply actions
"I will never die."

"We just had a near life experience."
Semper Fi' (Now a proud member of Couch Company, 1st Civ Div.)
Pain don't hurt...
by RolloTomasi on Nov 23, 2010 1:37 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He might even beat a dog fighter in it.
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That guy got convicted
Ben doesn’t belong in the same sentence as Michael vick.
Luke: What was our best moment?
Nate: When I banned Subo?
Luke: That was a good one.
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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 23, 2010 1:36 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with this
Vick has payed his dues and is trying to pull his life together. Roethlisberger just continued to play football and most likely kept on raping women. It will just be an insane bye week.
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True. Vick never raped anyone.
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Bloody Elbow // "Richard is a jewel." - Kid Nate
by Richard Wade on Nov 23, 2010 2:33 AM EST up reply actions
I would say that torturing and killing defenseless animals because being a millionaire is boring is equally disgusting. And for the record, Michael Vick has also committed his fair share of crimes against women.
So when comparing those two it’s pretty much the leper with the most fingers at this point.
Perhaps my best years are gone... but I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
by jebushchrist on Nov 23, 2010 8:39 AM EST up reply actions
Alright...
A man convicted of crimes related to dog fighting might end up playing a man who was accused of sexual assault and whose behavior was deemed inappropriate enough to warrant a lengthy suspension.
Better?
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by Applejack McNeil on Nov 23, 2010 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
Holy shit...
You’re right.
And we have to fucking defend our sport from assholes like Reilly.
Unfuckingbelievable.
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by Applejack McNeil on Nov 23, 2010 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
Neither was OJ
You think he’s innocent?
by Bloodsport on Nov 23, 2010 12:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
He was found guilty
in civil court.
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
by Chris Barton on Nov 23, 2010 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
you cannot be found guilty in civil court… he was found liable.
Getting bent out of shape over a fight promoter lying is like getting upset that a hooker won't kiss you. It betrays a deep lack of understanding of the nature of the profession.
Dude got sued for murder
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by Neil Manich on Nov 23, 2010 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
“wrongful death”
Getting bent out of shape over a fight promoter lying is like getting upset that a hooker won't kiss you. It betrays a deep lack of understanding of the nature of the profession.
Via knife stabbing
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by Neil Manich on Nov 23, 2010 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
Well, I mean...
If the glove don’t fit….
Hey UFC4 go fuck yourself, how about that? Fucking punk, I was just asking for the source that says lesnar gets 5 mill a fight, it’s obvious one does not exist. Bunch of gabronis on a site pulling figures out of your ass.
by Garrett Bennicas
Hey Bones
I love your spinning elbows, teach me!
"We just had a near life experience."
Semper Fi'
Pain don't hurt...
by RolloTomasi on Nov 23, 2010 12:42 AM EST up reply actions
Just watch YouTube
That’s what I did
Hey UFC4 go fuck yourself, how about that? Fucking punk, I was just asking for the source that says lesnar gets 5 mill a fight, it’s obvious one does not exist. Bunch of gabronis on a site pulling figures out of your ass.
by Garrett Bennicas
Good luck against Bader
whup his ass Jon!
"We just had a near life experience."
Semper Fi'
Pain don't hurt...
by RolloTomasi on Nov 23, 2010 12:49 AM EST up reply actions
That girl
should’ve pressed charges. Absent that, it’s difficult to feel sympathy for her.
Luke: What was our best moment?
Nate: When I banned Subo?
Luke: That was a good one.
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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 23, 2010 12:49 AM EST up reply actions
I disagree with this 100 percent
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by Neil Manich on Nov 23, 2010 12:51 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Can't win em all
If you are a woman, a man sexually assaults you and you neglect to press charges, you are at least partially responsible for the next incident involving said man. The only way they get away with it are if victims decide it isn’t worth the trouble. How do I feel sorry for someone who deems putting a sexual predator away too troublesome?
Luke: What was our best moment?
Nate: When I banned Subo?
Luke: That was a good one.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
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Still Subo at Fightlinker.com
by Derek Suboticki on Nov 23, 2010 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
It’s not about it being too much trouble, it’s about being scared, embarassed, hurt, angry, and probably a million other emotions that I’m sure someone who has never been in that situation would have no idea about.
Hey UFC4 go fuck yourself, how about that? Fucking punk, I was just asking for the source that says lesnar gets 5 mill a fight, it’s obvious one does not exist. Bunch of gabronis on a site pulling figures out of your ass.
by Garrett Bennicas
by ufc4 on Nov 23, 2010 12:58 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
THIS
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I'll grant that
But I want those predatory bastards taken off the streets, and if you’re unwilling to testify as to what they did, they go free. That pisses me off.
Luke: What was our best moment?
Nate: When I banned Subo?
Luke: That was a good one.
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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 23, 2010 1:02 AM EST up reply actions
This seems like a naive point of view
concerning victim psychology. I’m by know means an expert, but in my limited knowledge, Its been shown repeatedly that it is very difficult for rape victims to publicize their situations.
Its safe to say that without Playboy we wouldn't have MMA as we know it today. - Jonathan Snowden
It’s even more difficult to convict rapists without those situations being made public.
Luke: What was our best moment?
Nate: When I banned Subo?
Luke: That was a good one.
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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 23, 2010 1:08 AM EST up reply actions
But you can't place the blame
on the victim of a traumatic experience.
Its safe to say that without Playboy we wouldn't have MMA as we know it today. - Jonathan Snowden
And yet that's what he's doing.
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by Richard Wade on Nov 23, 2010 2:34 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Everyone (except maybe other rapists) want rapists off the street.
but unfortunately in most cases the victim will have developed many psychological problems associated with being raped and the last thing they want to do is relive that experience in front of a bunch of strangers in a court room…I agree it’s shitty, but it is what it is.
"The big message coming out of this is that we can never give up, it doesn’t matter the size of the problem, it doesn’t matter the difficulty [of the situation], we can never give up." - Anderson Silva
by ShoNuffthaMasta on Nov 23, 2010 1:39 AM EST up reply actions
I think hanging a portion of the blame on the victim of sexual assault is kinda why many don’t press charges. And they don’t want you to feel sorry for them, Subo, they just don’t want to be raped in the first place.
Perhaps my best years are gone... but I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
by jebushchrist on Nov 23, 2010 1:00 AM EST up reply actions
I attach NO blame to her for the assault...
…assuming it happened. But, since she decided to keep the details of that night to herself, a) she’s an “alleged” victim and b) Ben is playing football right now.
Luke: What was our best moment?
Nate: When I banned Subo?
Luke: That was a good one.
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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 23, 2010 1:03 AM EST up reply actions
If you are a woman, a man sexually assaults you and you neglect to press charges, you are at least partially responsible for the next incident involving said man. The only way they get away with it are if victims decide it isn’t worth the trouble. How do I feel sorry for someone who deems putting a sexual predator away too troublesome?
Other than when you said this about 10 minutes ago. Gotcha.
Perhaps my best years are gone... but I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
by jebushchrist on Nov 23, 2010 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
"for the next victim involving said man"
If you watch a guy murder someone, keep it to yourself, and he murders someone else, don’t you have some culpability because you neglected to mention it to the authorities?
Luke: What was our best moment?
Nate: When I banned Subo?
Luke: That was a good one.
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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 23, 2010 1:11 AM EST up reply actions
We all want rapists gone. Let’s just agree on that and move on.
Perhaps my best years are gone... but I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
by jebushchrist on Nov 23, 2010 1:12 AM EST up reply actions
yes
if you watch someone murder someone and don’t tell anyone and they murder someone else it is partially your fault. While witnessing a murder is a traumatic experience and undoubtedly can cause fear in the witness, it is very different than being sexually assaulted. There is no shame involved in reporting a murder..reporting that you were raped would cause some shame (even though it shouldn’t).
"The big message coming out of this is that we can never give up, it doesn’t matter the size of the problem, it doesn’t matter the difficulty [of the situation], we can never give up." - Anderson Silva
by ShoNuffthaMasta on Nov 23, 2010 1:41 AM EST up reply actions
Wow.
And here I thought you’d provide an enlightened opinion on this subject. Then you go and say this. ufc4 covered it – there’s so much more involved in assigning responsibility than you’re saying.
http://www.instrength.com
I'm not putting any blame on the victum
But if you want to see rapists convicted, you want women to share their stories. Right?
Luke: What was our best moment?
Nate: When I banned Subo?
Luke: That was a good one.
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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 23, 2010 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
I do want them to come forward
But if they don’t due to emotions I will (hopefully) never understand I will still feel sympathy towards them.
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Being insensitive to their difficulty in the situation doesn’t help this.
Its safe to say that without Playboy we wouldn't have MMA as we know it today. - Jonathan Snowden
Jesus
I’m not saying “suck it up, ladies” – I’m saying “this guy walks if you don’t talk”. In the world I want to live in, rapists don’t go free because people are embarrassed.
Luke: What was our best moment?
Nate: When I banned Subo?
Luke: That was a good one.
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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 23, 2010 1:12 AM EST up reply actions
Oversimplification much
Its safe to say that without Playboy we wouldn't have MMA as we know it today. - Jonathan Snowden
We understand your point – its just the way you say it. You are like Rogan in a sense.
I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand
But I won’t pick against Jon Jones again until I see him lose. - Kwisatz Haderach
Is that a compliment or an insult?
Luke: What was our best moment?
Nate: When I banned Subo?
Luke: That was a good one.
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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 23, 2010 1:33 AM EST up reply actions
Neither. Just a statement.
I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand
But I won’t pick against Jon Jones again until I see him lose. - Kwisatz Haderach
I'll take it
This is not exactly the subject I planned on broaching tonight.
Luke: What was our best moment?
Nate: When I banned Subo?
Luke: That was a good one.
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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 23, 2010 1:35 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah
This got hairy.
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The Broncos got they asses kicked. Ya wanna talk about that? PHILIP RIVERS.
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by Tim Burke on Nov 23, 2010 1:36 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
An artist
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AKA King Laserface
AKA Doucebag.
Norv Turner will never win a Super Bowl as head coach.
Luke: What was our best moment?
Nate: When I banned Subo?
Luke: That was a good one.
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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 23, 2010 1:37 AM EST up reply actions
I feel the same way about McDaniels.
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Brand new head coach comes in, loses his starting QB to an incurable case of vagina sand, and beats his division leader by twenty last week. Give the guy another draft or two to get his personnel in place (and let Dumervil heal).
Luke: What was our best moment?
Nate: When I banned Subo?
Luke: That was a good one.
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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 23, 2010 1:41 AM EST up reply actions
Just imagine how much better they’d be with Peyton Hillis. But hey, Brady Quinn holds a mighty fine clipboard.
http://www.instrength.com
Peyton yesterday - 2.0 yards/carry
The wheels are about to fall off that roidhorse.
We needed a backup QB after getting rid of Simms – trading an underperforming fullback to get a former 1st rounder (and move up in the draft next year) fit the bill. I’m still glad we didn’t sign Vick.
Luke: What was our best moment?
Nate: When I banned Subo?
Luke: That was a good one.
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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 23, 2010 1:44 AM EST up reply actions
Damn.
If only he had 6 receptions for 95 yards and a touchdown to offset that.
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by Richard Wade on Nov 23, 2010 2:36 AM EST up reply actions
I see what you’re saying, but I’d say it’s a horrible oversimplification that doesn’t take anything regarding the victim into account.
http://www.instrength.com
I can say “I don’t get it” without insulting those that feel different. I’m not saying they’re anything, since I don’t know what it’s like to be in that position. I do, however, know that I believe society would be a better place if they screamed it from the rooftops, because then things can be taken care of summarily.
Luke: What was our best moment?
Nate: When I banned Subo?
Luke: That was a good one.
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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 23, 2010 1:13 AM EST up reply actions
Yup
you don’t get it
Its safe to say that without Playboy we wouldn't have MMA as we know it today. - Jonathan Snowden
Letting rapists walk free is not something I want to “get”.
Luke: What was our best moment?
Nate: When I banned Subo?
Luke: That was a good one.
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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 23, 2010 1:15 AM EST up reply actions
It’s just not something you (or anyone) can adequately cover without writing a novel. Oversimplifying it comes off as an insult. It’s a no-win, so it’s probably just best that you stop. We get your broad point.
http://www.instrength.com
Alright
I’m starting to like it. Beer Monster, you talk, I’ll just sit here.
Its safe to say that without Playboy we wouldn't have MMA as we know it today. - Jonathan Snowden
You're welcome
But you’re need in Subo’s comment below, I don’t have the words for how ridiculous his argument is getting
Its safe to say that without Playboy we wouldn't have MMA as we know it today. - Jonathan Snowden
But see, it can be adequately covered
If a man sexually assaults you and you don’t press charges, my sympathy for you is less than someone who did go through the undeniably shitty process of pressing charges. You can have whatever reasons you like – reasons I’ll never understand – but the bottom line is the son of a bitch that did it to you is now free to potentially do it to others because of your silence.
Luke: What was our best moment?
Nate: When I banned Subo?
Luke: That was a good one.
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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 23, 2010 1:19 AM EST up reply actions
That’s not adequately covering anything but your broad opinion of a subject with a million different variables in every situation.
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I cannot conjure a situation in which I would be OK with a woman not pressing charges against a rapist that she could identify. Either I need to work on my imagination or I just really hate rapists.
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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 23, 2010 1:24 AM EST up reply actions
I’m sad for you in that case. I know rape victims, and while you’re right in the fact that not reporting it might possibly lead to future harm to others, when a person is irreparably broken by another person, all logic goes out the window man. I can be OK with it. I am OK with it. It’s not logical, but it is what it is. The world’s not so black and white sometimes.
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What’s sad, we all know several rape victims.
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I’m related to some.
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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 23, 2010 1:30 AM EST up reply actions
I either have you pitying me or I accept a world in which men who break women are permitted to break others. I’ll make the same choice between those two. Consistently.
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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 23, 2010 1:30 AM EST up reply actions
And this is precisely why we should just stop talking about this. We’ve made our points. We fundamentally disagree. It’s all downhill from here.
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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 23, 2010 1:34 AM EST up reply actions
Heh. I didn’t mean it that way, I meant that continuing it will just muddy the waters more than provide any clarity. It’s a really REALLY touchy issue.
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It is
And one I feel strongly about, for a bunch of different (and conflicting) reasons. At least nobody here is defending rape or anything – we’re all on the same side here, give or take.
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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 23, 2010 1:38 AM EST up reply actions
this, at least, i can agree with Subo
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Its not about wanting them to go free. Its about having empathy for a person in situation that is beyond their ability to handle. You seem to lack that empathy, in a way i think is deplorable.
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I empathize
With the rapist’s next victim, whom is only so because that piece of shit is free to talk the streets.
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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 23, 2010 1:31 AM EST up reply actions
Ok now I got to tell one part of the episode
The shrink girl told about how she was raped and pressed charge, met a previous victim at the trial that didn’t pressed charge because of shame, and was disgusted, thinking that if she had, she wouldn’t have got raped by that same dude.
I feel dirty for what I just did.
They see me rollin...
If a man sexually assaults you and you don’t press charges, my sympathy for you is less than someone who did go through the undeniably shitty process of pressing charges.
How much less? 1/4? 1/3? How much less sympathy can you have for one rape victim over another? How does that lack of sympathy manifest itself (other than through making self-righteous and insensitive “blame the victim” statements on the internet)?
Do you even realize how asinine your statement is?
ugh, focking sue-bo
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I said quit it
lol
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what about men?
believe it or not men do get raped..if you got raped would you report it?
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by ShoNuffthaMasta on Nov 23, 2010 1:42 AM EST up reply actions
Um, 1000%
And failing that, I would make sure that the guy died in an extracurricular fashion. Suffice it to say that I would be his last victim.
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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 23, 2010 1:45 AM EST up reply actions
I agree mostly.
I personally wouldn’t report it but I would go the extracurricular route you mentioned. I’m actually only arguing this at all because I just graduated from college with a criminology degree and I’ve had this argument a million times. I understand what your saying.
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by ShoNuffthaMasta on Nov 23, 2010 1:47 AM EST up reply actions
Doesn't it infuriate you
That crimes are witnessed/experienced and not reported/prosecuted?
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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 23, 2010 1:50 AM EST up reply actions
it used to..
then I spent half my life in a classroom talking about this kind of shit and I decided I just don’t care anymore mostly. That’s bad sarcasm just for the record.
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by ShoNuffthaMasta on Nov 23, 2010 1:52 AM EST up reply actions
Very easy for you too say lacking the experience. Not the I do not lack it. But I think you mean you would hope to have the courage to come forward.
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Allowing the perpetrator to live on with no consequences would not cross my mind as an option. That’s what I’m saying, and that’s what I’d like to see from everyone, because we’d catch a lot more fuckers with that collective mentality.
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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 23, 2010 1:50 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t doubt your convictions on the subject. I’d like to think I’d react the same way and be able to press charges, et al. However, not having experienced this or other such traumatic situations neither you or I can say what we would actually do.
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again..fair enough.. we never know.
but seriously..I’d call a couple of hard, pipe hitting (offensive word)s to go to work on homes with a pair of plyers and a blow torch.
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by ShoNuffthaMasta on Nov 23, 2010 1:54 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know about that
true you never really know how you will react until something happens..however, history and experience has proven time and again that I am a very vengeful and violent person when provoked and that is the ultimate provocation. I don’t mean that to sound like I’m some hard ass or something…just that some things are unforgivable and worthy of violent reactions.
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by ShoNuffthaMasta on Nov 23, 2010 1:50 AM EST up reply actions
no its not hard to feel sympathy for her.
Alot Women that get raped were raped/molested previously as young children. That’s why they get a "freeze response ". Instead of fighting back they freeze. So there is a strong chance this girl has been victimized throughout her life. Its a really sad fact.
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by the-gentle-way on Nov 23, 2010 1:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
pretty much
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 22, 2010 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
Not at all...
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 23, 2010 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
ignore this Nate
its unintentionally trolling you on a situation i know nothing about. Apologies sir.
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Hey, It’s all good. I’m practically reminiscing here. The point is, people say mean stuff when they’re pissed off sometimes.
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 22, 2010 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
True. But you know what is even more indefensible than Rogan’s slang?
[dramatic pause]
Tomas Rios.
by smoogy2 on Nov 22, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
It's nice to see
that you hate someone more than Rogan.
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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 23, 2010 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
it don't sting the same way as
f**got.
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by RolloTomasi on Nov 22, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
but the rest of the world doesn't use the N word even though rappers have re-appropriated it
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by chasethegoose on Nov 23, 2010 3:13 AM EST up reply actions
WHEN will people get this thru their damn head, colloquial use of a word does NOT equal homophobia
End. Of. Story.
by Kevin Jennison J. Zametov-St Pierre on Nov 22, 2010 11:05 PM EST reply actions 15 recs
yeah and Kramer's not racist either
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 22, 2010 11:07 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
No, he's just a really bad comedian
Coincidence?
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by Neil Manich on Nov 22, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
It’s about context though, was Joe attacking them as a group saying they need to be lynched and dragged behind vans while using the word?
Food goes in here
by Pandanus on Nov 22, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
thank you.
He didn’t just say “N”. He went in on an obvious racial rant.
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by Broke Lesnar on Nov 22, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
and it was overboard, and completely inappropriate.
"In this fight, Anderson showed he was human," Nogueira said. "He showed he could be weak. But he showed he is a fighter and he brings something from his heart. It was beautiful."
by Broke Lesnar on Nov 23, 2010 2:00 AM EST up reply actions
No, but he is denigrating them as a people by insulting Rios by equating him to a homosexual
basically saying he is “less of a man”.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Nov 23, 2010 9:02 AM EST up reply actions
kramer isn’t racist, for real, neither am i, i’ve used the n word a few times. most of my friends growing up, and still are, mexican.. i still use the term ‘wetback’ from time to time. does that make me racist? nah.
If I make fun of a tall person does that mean i’m intolerant of all tall people?
Food goes in here
by Pandanus on Nov 22, 2010 11:34 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
no, you get it man.. sometimes you don’t like someone, and want to attack them, but don’t know how.. usually their race/appearance is an easy way to do it. cheapshot yes, but it’s effective.
talking about pitchforks in someone's ass, and lynching isn't acceptable bro.
Slipping and saying the N word offensively is bad enough, but detailed description of the condition black people actually went through, not too long ago is absolutely uncalled for, regardless of frustration.
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by Broke Lesnar on Nov 23, 2010 2:07 AM EST up reply actions
These two examples aren't even close
When Michael Richards used the “n” word, he was specifically attacking a group of black hecklers. He repeated it multiple times to demean and insult the hecklers for being black.
When Rogan called Rios a “faggot,” it wasn’t done because he was an out of the closet homosexual or even rumored to have had sex with men (well, as far as I know). It was done simply to insult Rios, just as if he called him an asshole or a douchebag as you suggested above.
It was just a tasteless choice of an insult, if that even makes any sense.
by hoohoofred on Nov 22, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It reinforces the idea that homosexuality is a negative trait.
You use language to promote an idea long enough, it sticks. Look at calling the Jews “vermin” or the Tutsis “cockroaches”.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Nov 22, 2010 11:07 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
so faggot has never ever meant anything but Homosexual,
and can never mean anything else? Colloquial usages of slurs range depending on who you are, and where you’re from.
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by Broke Lesnar on Nov 22, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
Sounds can mean many things when considered “words”, but I don’t think Rogan meant to call anyone a cigarette…
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by Scott C. Broussard on Nov 23, 2010 1:56 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
and just to clear up
No one questions the mutability of language. The question is about what Rogan means by them NOW. It doesn’t really take a genius to see there’s no real ambiguity in his meaning.
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In Return.
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people go around as if somehow the word has been magically divorced of its context. Hopefully I can clear this up:
No, no one actually believes Joe Rogan hates teh gays. That is not, nor was ever what has been at stake. It isn’t about hating teh gays. Nobody really cares if Joe Rogan is actually making an accusation about Rios’s sexuality.
So why are people pissed? The kind of social leverage one gets from the use of this language can only exist under the assumption of homophobia and misogyny. The terminology Rogan uses here is intended to insult Rios by challenging his masculinity. It PRESUPPOSES homophobia and misogyny. In fact, the words only make sense as an insult BY WAY of understanding homosexuality and femininity as anti-masculine and therefore signs of weakness, stupidity, etc. The context isn’t gone. Even Rogan admits that what he’s saying is a pure product of this pervasive mental model. The only way it works is if Rios, the audience of the words, and Rogan himself have this context as their background of understanding. Otherwise it’s just noises coming out of his mouth.
This doesn’t mean Rogan secretly hates gay people. But it does mean that he is BY DEFINITION a misogynist and a homophobe, because he has expressed an understanding of homosexuality and femininity that require those states of being to be negative and undesirable. This is a thought context that is alive and well today, not the product of a bygone era.
And this is without even considering the countless people who are called these words because of actual hate for women and queer-identified people. That should be enough to want to divorce ourselves from the use of the words in such a fashion. But of course, people who don’t have to live through that kind of horseshit don’t really consider this to be a real problem. “It’s distasteful at worst. Most likely benign.”
Some of you might actually want to rewatch “With Apologies to Jesse Jackson”. It contains one of the most clear explanations of white (and other kinds of) privilege i’ve ever seen on television, and a pointed critique of the mode of argument that assumes natural language is somehow context-free, particularly in the world of oppressive epithets.
Oh, and whoever it was up there that challenged the LGBT community to re-appropriate their own slur, they have. The word is “Queer”. And much like the N word, I doubt you’ll find anyone in the community who’d be happy to hear you use it in a destructive fashion.
I’m going to go back to ignoring comment threads/message boards from the MMA community now.
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is:
Dig and Be Dug
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by loboplata on Nov 23, 2010 1:55 AM EST up reply actions 19 recs
Beautiful.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Nov 23, 2010 1:59 AM EST up reply actions
You don't even have 400 comments. That's a problem.
Get that post count up, because you’re awesome.
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Honestly, it’s discussions like these that keep me away from the keyboard.
And bear in mind, BE is unquestionably the BEST the sport has to offer in terms of creating a professional, welcoming atmosphere in its community threads. Nate and Luke are by far the best wranglers of idiocy and offensiveness I’ve seen any place on the internet. That means it only gets worse from here. And I mean that with all due respect to BE and its writing staff. Most of Sherdog and the UG is just unreadable.
I’ve got a sweet job, great staff writers to read, and the fights themselves. Why waste the energy?
Of course, I’m on vacation this week, so I have some free energy to spend. :P
PS – thanks for the recs!
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is:
Dig and Be Dug
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Ironic
That this moral outrage (not just you but in general) revolves around orchestrated, accepted and condoned actual physical violence. If one is going to take a stand, where does it end… there’s not exactly warnings before people are bloodied and knocked unconscious in an mma fight. What’s more damaging… the use of an ignorant word that perpetuates stereotypes, or the witnessing of actual physical violence by a sick individual? I don’t know, but worth mentioning.
dude
It’s because I love this sport. I love that the existence of this sport means that I can consensually and safely manhandle another human being and it can be a positive thing. I love the beauty, art, science and perfection with which these athletes can do the thing that I love. I admire them for it.
And i want it to keep existing. As long as possible. And i want other people to love it too.
It’s hard for that to happen when there’s a bunch of knuckleheads out there proving all the haters right.
My motto,
As I live and learn,
is:
Dig and Be Dug
In Return.
-Langston Hughes (no relation to Matt)
I love the sport for all the same reasons… but if we’re going to get upset about the effect of a comedian’s language in regards to an oppressed group, we might want to consider a conversation on kids, or your average uneducated dipshit, watching this type of violence without a primer.
If its simply because his ignorant speech will have a negative impact on the growth of the sport, than that’s another issue.
Ok, I'll be more honest
I <— want to enjoy this sport without having to hear this kind of bullshit. I<— want to be able to show it to my friends and family without having to be embarrassed.
The other thing is that there’s little controversy about non-consensual violence being problematic (which is, i’m supposing, the consequence of allowing kids or an uneducated dipshit to watch the sport without a primer).
On the other hand, the fact that “pervasive homophobia and misogyny are problematic” is even remotely controversial and up for discussion is just thoroughly depressing to me.
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As I live and learn,
is:
Dig and Be Dug
In Return.
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by loboplata on Nov 23, 2010 2:38 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I said it above, I'll say it again.
POST MORE YOU FUCKER!
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Is the media trying to get Rogan fired?
I am with Rogan all the way. That man is a national treasure. Tomas? Not so much. The homo whatever language could have been avoided but it’s not that big of a deal. I am with Rogan all the way. He is an enlightened individual
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wow
snowden is now “the media”
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 22, 2010 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
I certainly didn’t call for anyone to be fired. I just hope Joe is more careful with his language when representing a sport already considered beyond the pale by many.
by Jonathan Snowden on Nov 22, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i actually agree with u here
while the rant itself wasnt homophobic in the slightest (nice headline though snowden grabbed my attention once again) the use of the word by a guy like rogan isnt acceptable behavior
sadly people are super super sensitive these days and any use of a word that can be considered offensive to a broad group of people isnt acceptable to be used especially by the color commentator of the UFC
now rios is a complete idiot but rogans gotta watch what he says, especially with the constant growth of mainstream media coverage in mma
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I agree completely. It is a shame to me that no one is free to be offended any more and that’s not Rogan’s fault. But as a representative of the UFC and MMA in general he needs to learn to hold his tongue and understand the situation as it is.
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A logical person wouldn’t look at Rogan and let his personality reflect badly on MMA. If people do look at certain individuals and judge the sport based on them, then i honestly don’t give a damn about what they think. And I’m pretty sure the majority of MMA fans feel the same.
who called the media in this country logical?
u guys think snowdens journalism style is sensational?
"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
I wasn’t really talking about the media. I’m saying that anyone who stereotypes a whole sport based off one guys behavior shouldn’t be watching the sport.
that anyone your refering to though is the mainstream media
remember the coverage of brock after ufc 100? and dana after his loretta hunt rant?
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Oh. I didn't realize it was Jonathan
I do agree with certain somebody that we are a nation of cowards. I think it is very irresponsible to take one word out of someone’s take and suddenly make a character judgement on it. I have seen many business professionals that use the word “F” all the time. In some circles, if you use that word, they look at you like you have two horns. In other places, everybody does.
I have heard Rogan actually defend the pro gay movement in California and other places. He is also pro liberty (legalization). He is on the right side of a lot of things. I just don’t think one can judge what he said and suddenly think less of him.
Is Rogan a bit nuts? Maybe. He reminds me of Opie and Anthony. Let’s not make a big deal out of this. It’s time for us all to stop micro-analyzing every single thing one person says. You can’t read mind and I can’t either.
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by SheepleBuster on Nov 22, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, people are making a big deal out of this.
As far as the kick terminology Rogan and Schiavello are spot on and after those responses it seems Rios was trying to save face as he already knew that which I’m kind of doubting.
Is this a homophobic rant? Absolutely not, it’s just misuse of a word but really isn’t any different him as a comedian or any other comedian making a gay joke or some using the N word.
Food goes in here
Really? This was not a comedy act. Would you be so cavalier if Rogan had used a race based attack?
by Jonathan Snowden on Nov 22, 2010 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t really read too much into it. I mean why does one use of the word on an internet forum get so much attention, but a whole set on a large stage (regardless if it’s a joke or not) which is technically poking fun or lightly attacking if you will does not?
Food goes in here
One is real life? And included an attempt to get someone fired. I think there’s a huge distinction.
by Jonathan Snowden on Nov 22, 2010 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
I really don’t think Fightersonly.com would fire staff on the criteria on whether someone in the sport calls them a F****** otherwise all of Sherdog.com would be let go from the response on Sherdog.net
Food goes in here
no Rogan privately emailed the editors of Fighters Only
and asked that Rios be fired.
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 22, 2010 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
I agreed with Rogan and Schiavello
about the terminology, that’s a total pet peeve of mine. There is no “right” or “wrong” name for a technique, there’s only the commonly understood terms. if people know what you mean and it’s not directly confusing with another term it’s ok.
For example, wrestlers have a move called the guillotine but it’s not the choke MMA/BJJ calls a guillotine so Eddie Bravo renamed it the Twister. That works sense calling it a guillotine would be needlessly confusing. But question mark kick and brazilian kick are both perfectly good terms.
But bragging about getting a guy fired and calling him a f****t is just unnecessary.
We didn’t make the social rules of 2011, but a major media personality calling people slurs like that isn’t kosher.
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 22, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
about technique names.
Most gracie bjj moves weren’t named. That’s why bravo had to come out with all the bullshit names he did in his books.
Its like when hughes used that front arm-triangle choke on Almeida. Everyone started freaking out on what the name was. Wether it was a Shultz headlock, anaconda choke, or front arm-triangle it still put the mother F-er to sleep. Instead of deciding what name is “correct” we should just learn from each other.
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by the-gentle-way on Nov 22, 2010 11:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
well it is easier and convenient to have as much shared terminology as possible
but the “nah nah you used the wrong term” stuff is so Comic Book Shop Guy from the Simpsons.
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 23, 2010 12:00 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
agreed
"I wish Anthony Pace was my father just so I could claim to be the fruit of his loins."
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
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by the-gentle-way on Nov 23, 2010 1:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sad as it is, I see a large portion of the young male UFC fanbase celebrating his “not PC” comments.
by John Nash on Nov 22, 2010 11:06 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
hey just read the comments on this thread
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 22, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
It wasn’t hard to see this coming.
by John Nash on Nov 22, 2010 11:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
... I don't get the reference
Though to nottheface’s comment, speaking of “the young male UFC fanbase”… remember the Homophobia in MMA thread and someone’s remark on the WHY of machismo among young males? (Hint: Apparently gays are better at getting the girls than they are…)
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by Scott C. Broussard on Nov 23, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
LOL @ defending Rios.
The guy is a fighter-bashing tool who got what he deserved. I understand the media’s need to stick up for one another, but when fighters, fans, and industry men all alike hate the guy, he needs to go.
this isn't about defending Rios
it’s about a totally uncalled for use of a homophobic slur. Dana White already had to apologize for that once, let’s not get GLAAD all riled up again. the UFC has a huge gay fanbase, why shit on them for no reason.
It’s also uberlame to try to get someone fired for being critical of your work. Rios’ critique was over the top as it often is, but there was no need for Rogan to try to pull the big dick move.
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 22, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i think they should have a mma fight to settle shit.
Loser leaves town match.
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by the-gentle-way on Nov 23, 2010 12:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’m of two minds on this. On the one hand, I think Snowden is being typically sensationalist. It’s Snowden, what did you expect?
On the other hand, he’s right about how it’s an example of the UFC (and MMA by implication) are not quite ready for prime time. This is something that would’ve gotten an announcer for a more mainstream sports org fired. I get that Rogan has other careers, and that he’s among the best in the business, but it is true that this wouldn’t fly elsewhere.
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by timetraveltome on Nov 23, 2010 2:04 AM EST up reply actions
For better or worse
Rogan matches the UFC’s brand. Sometimes its a good thing. This is one of the bad times.
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Dude I'm part of that community and I hardly find this offensive
It’s unfortunate he was thoughtless in using such a derogatory term but I would hardly call this a homophobic rant. It’s odd how people equate the word fag automatically with being homophobic. Nothing in the past has ever shown Rogan to have true homophobic tendencies. It seems pretty obvious that Rogan just lost his temper at Rios but using the word fag once in an emotionally fueled retort is hardly a homophobic rant.
by dreamers_12345 on Nov 22, 2010 11:08 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Are you kidding? There is a pretty brutal video of Rogan embarrassing an awkward young gay man at his gym. I don’t think this is out of character.
by Jonathan Snowden on Nov 22, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That wasn't about homophobia
That was about personal space. I don’t want somebody to sit and stare while I shower because I hate gays, its because its uncomfortable.
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by Neil Manich on Nov 22, 2010 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
As someone who watched a young sibling struggle with homosexuality, it is impossible for me to be anything but sad by that poor kid’s humbling experience. He was clearly confused and I’m sure the video was a monumental moment in his life in the worst way.
by Jonathan Snowden on Nov 22, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
So I’m supposed to be OK with some guy staring at my cock because he might be confused? Sorry Snowden, you lost me there.
Hey UFC4 go fuck yourself, how about that? Fucking punk, I was just asking for the source that says lesnar gets 5 mill a fight, it’s obvious one does not exist. Bunch of gabronis on a site pulling figures out of your ass.
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by ufc4 on Nov 22, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Jon Jones!!!
I’m a big fan!
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by RolloTomasi on Nov 22, 2010 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
I didn’t say that at all. Is there no way to handle this other than a publicly posted video and humiliation? Of course there was.
by Jonathan Snowden on Nov 22, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
A lot of guys would’ve just punched him in the face, I wonder which he would choose had he been presented with the choice?
Hey UFC4 go fuck yourself, how about that? Fucking punk, I was just asking for the source that says lesnar gets 5 mill a fight, it’s obvious one does not exist. Bunch of gabronis on a site pulling figures out of your ass.
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by ufc4 on Nov 22, 2010 11:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
and a lot of guys would be guilty of criminal assault
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 22, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Never said it was OK or right.
Hey UFC4 go fuck yourself, how about that? Fucking punk, I was just asking for the source that says lesnar gets 5 mill a fight, it’s obvious one does not exist. Bunch of gabronis on a site pulling figures out of your ass.
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by ufc4 on Nov 23, 2010 12:13 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with ufc4 here
and rec’d everything he said. Spot on. Although not the most sensitive thing to do in posting a video of the dude, It could have been a lot worse. It was done in a light and playful manner.
by Nick Travaglini on Nov 23, 2010 3:49 AM EST up reply actions
Light and playful to the posters
Then I’m reminded of the Rutgers University incident…
This just in:
Gay men have two choices. Get punched in the face or get humiliated on video.
BOOSH
by Farthammer on Nov 22, 2010 11:40 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
i have had yell at someone in a locker room for violating that rule.
If it was a guy watching a girl like that, that too would be criminal.
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"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
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by the-gentle-way on Nov 23, 2010 12:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
but girls have
different locker rooms
at least where I come from they do.
"We just had a near life experience."
Semper Fi'
Pain don't hurt...
by RolloTomasi on Nov 23, 2010 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
exactly
The reason for that is: it could get awkward while changing if dudes were eye fucking the shit out of girls and vice versa.
So if your gay and you are gonna change with straight guys, don’t act like a Fuckin creep. Have some class ya know?
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"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
by the-gentle-way on Nov 23, 2010 1:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
word
"We just had a near life experience."
Semper Fi' (Now a proud member of Couch Company, 1st Civ Div.)
Pain don't hurt...
Actually there's a third choice
Get on the internet and look at porn instead of standing around in locker rooms staring at naked dudes from two feet away.
Hey UFC4 go fuck yourself, how about that? Fucking punk, I was just asking for the source that says lesnar gets 5 mill a fight, it’s obvious one does not exist. Bunch of gabronis on a site pulling figures out of your ass.
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by ufc4 on Nov 23, 2010 12:14 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
or not stare at others penis in the locker room!
just like I don’t stare at women’s breasts in public unless I’m ready for a slap to the face or punch from her boyfriend.
If a young man is THAT confused that he just stops and starts staring at dudes wangs enought that a video gets made. Then it is obvious to me that his mom dad didn’t have a birds bees conversation or didn’t explain public behavior.
Do you train? Have you ever had a wierdo show up to class but just want to watch? it happens and not because they want to do jiujitsu.
Because they are showing up to look at men sweating on each other.. ala DUpont the Schultz killer!
If a older man stopped into the local middle school everyday to watch little girls cheerleading.. That wouldn’t last a minute before he was escorted out by police.
There was a lot going on in that video. Ever think that kid was attracted to the camera? To the presence of a celebrity like Rogan? It was mean spirited and people who got a kick of it kind of reveal themselves.
Like people who use the terms “race card” or “gay card.” I know what you are when you use that terminology.
by Jonathan Snowden on Nov 23, 2010 9:29 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that's one of the more polite words for it
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 23, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Look at it this way
he was confused, and he learned that straight guys who train in MMA might not like to be objectified.
He’ll know better next time.
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Pain don't hurt...
by RolloTomasi on Nov 22, 2010 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
He learned
In one of the most embarrassing ways possible.
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by Neil Manich on Nov 22, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
Life is tuf.
Deal with it.
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Semper Fi'
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by RolloTomasi on Nov 22, 2010 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
That's a fun point of view
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by Neil Manich on Nov 22, 2010 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
It's true.
I’m not the touchy feely type.
I’ve seen some brutal shit in my day, and stuff like this just seems petty.
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by RolloTomasi on Nov 22, 2010 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
Fair enough
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by Neil Manich on Nov 22, 2010 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
Didn’t know anything about the video. My bad then.
by dreamers_12345 on Nov 22, 2010 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
Calling someone a faggot is different than saying you hate all gay people and think homosexuality is a sin.
Draw the line between hateful speech and stupid remarks.
Regardless of Rogan's intent
Using “faggot” or “cunt” in a public forum is not acceptable. Nor should it be.
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by Neil Manich on Nov 22, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
I expect Rogan to use the internet more responsibly than a 13 year old kid
Or a 4channer. Sorry.
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by Neil Manich on Nov 22, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
Americans don’t like it.
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by Neil Manich on Nov 22, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I’m with you on the use of the word. He’s wrong there. But categorizing it as a “homophobic rant” is taking it way out of context.
And Rios’ response is weak. He’s not responding to anything, he’s just going after Rogan for his choice of words. Rios WAS wrong. Even in his description of Griffin/Lentz, I don’t really think he has a leg to stand on.
And if your comments are yours and yours only Tomas, why’d you take down the info about working for Fighters Only just a little while ago? It’s not hard to add 2 and 2 to see that your opinions are going to get associated with who you’re writing for. Hence your removal from Sherdog. And don’t say you “moved onto a better opportunity that pays more”. You got cut. That’s what happened.
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 22, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That is your job bro. Beer Monster isn’t claiming to be a (semi)professional writer.
by Cordycep on Nov 22, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
One that would generate page hits? No. Yours implies that Joe using the word would lead to Rios’ firing. They’re not the same thing And his rant is not about homophobia, it’s about Rios. He used the word at the end.
One that would be more fitting? Yes, I have a few:
Joe Rogan’s Unfortunate Choice of Words Shows That We Still Have Far To Go In MMA
Joe Rogan’s Use of a Homophobic Slur Is a Much Bigger Story Than How It Came About
Joe Rogan’s Hurting the Sport With his Stupid Statements
Or:
Tomas Rios Riles Up Joe Rogan, Unfortunate Situation Follows
I have a million of these that actually describe the (separate) stories and don’t mislead.
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by Tim Burke on Nov 22, 2010 11:17 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
All of those are better
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by Neil Manich on Nov 22, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You think a homophobic rant is a rant about homophobia? I am literally speechless.
by Jonathan Snowden on Nov 22, 2010 11:21 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
What? Where did I say that? You’re confused sir.
I said that the rant was about Tomas Rios, and contained a homophobic slur. It is not a “homophobic rant”. There’s a large difference there.
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by Tim Burke on Nov 22, 2010 11:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They’re not the same thing And his rant is not about homophobia, it’s about Rios.
That’s what you said. I’m not confused.
And if you were "literally speechless", you wouldn’t have said anything at all.
I didn’t say anything. I wrote something. Don’t play semantics with a lawyer. It will be humbling….
by Jonathan Snowden on Nov 22, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
And if you were “literally speechless”, you wouldn’t have said anything at all.
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He didn't say anything. He wrote it.
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by jebushchrist on Nov 22, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
He didn't speak. He typed.
He may very well still be literally speechless, you picky bastard.
/Chop bustin’
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Rogans kick terminology leaves a question mark to Rios. Rogan then proceeds to call him a bundle of sticks. Chaos ensures.
Food goes in here
3 of yours are over the character count
and the 4ths doesn’t explain the situation at all.
thanks for playing though.
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 22, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Take out "unfortunate" in the first
“Joe Rogan’s Word Choice?” What’s the character limit?
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by Neil Manich on Nov 22, 2010 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
Not even worth discussing.
Rogan should certainly react better to criticism, but this Tomas guy intentionally acts like an asshole to get attention and suddenly tries to act like he’s the victim when he gets called on it. The fact that the word faggot was used is irrelevant to the entire discussion (not that that will stop people from going on and on about it).
When a ball goes into a net, it only means something because we decide it means something. When somebody punches somebody in the face it always means something.
by lowellthehammer on Nov 22, 2010 11:12 PM EST reply actions
Rios isn't acting like a victim
I asked him for a comment and he gave one.
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 22, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
No not like a victim. But I find his righteous indignation for Gay and Lesbians to be a thin facade. Joe went over the line, there’s no doubt about that, but Rios was completely wrong in this particular criticism of Rogan. He nowhere in his statement addresses his baseless attack on Rogan, instead he’s now the defender of the gay and lesbian people.
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by Chris Hall on Nov 22, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Exactly.
When a ball goes into a net, it only means something because we decide it means something. When somebody punches somebody in the face it always means something.
by lowellthehammer on Nov 22, 2010 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
Yep exactly. It reminds of the same thing Frank Shamrock is now doing with his bullying campaign.
Just BE.
Swick?
is that you?
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Nope but I saw it coming and said in the comments that Frank should be ashamed of himself before he ever even started his bullying campaign when he replied to Dana’s response and made it a point to mention being bullied by Dana multiple times in that response. He was portraying himself as a victim of bullying and then a couple weeks later he starts his bullying campaign to capitalize even further on it.
Here is a link to that article for reference: http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/10/25/1772939/frank-shamrock-responds-to-dana-white-via-mma-fighting-wow-and-false#
Part of my comment in that thread was this:
Also Frank is so reaching with his comments here with the bullying. Bullying is a big topic in the main stream news right now. Frank used the term bully or bullied multiple times for a reason and he should be ashamed of himself trying to use it like he is.
Just BE.
Yeah, definitely.
Shamrock is being an opportunist at the expense of a very serious issue.
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by Applejack McNeil on Nov 23, 2010 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
No big deal
just my opinion.
Tacky
But not the worst thing ever.
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Semper Fi'
Pain don't hurt...
I think it is best if I steer clear of this one.
Bad choice of words by Rogan is all I have to say.
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by Earl Montclair on Nov 22, 2010 11:16 PM EST reply actions
Louie Poker Scene
I was just thinking of this video while I was reading the article. Great scene.
Do we seriously have to have this conversation every single time?
Everybody here sounds Laura Schlessinger.
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by Neil Manich on Nov 22, 2010 11:17 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
how so?
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by Earl Montclair on Nov 22, 2010 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
Her justification for her rant
Sounds pretty similar to the pro-Rogan arguments here. I’m probably generalizing a bit to much.
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by Neil Manich on Nov 22, 2010 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
I see what you are saying now. I don’t think you are that far off. We agree today! Holy Shit lol
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by Earl Montclair on Nov 22, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
Haha
Yeah, its been a rough few hours.
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by Neil Manich on Nov 22, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
BRO HUGZ!!!
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by Earl Montclair on Nov 22, 2010 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
Can you imagine John Madden or Joe Buck going on a popular sport’s message board, calling a Sports Illustrated reporter a “f**got” and then bragging about getting them fired?
The only difference is SI would never hire someone like Rios. No, Rogan should not have used the term “faggot” when referring to Rios, that’s obvious. But maybe Rios should do a little more thinking before speaking before he completely blackballs himself from the MMA community. The UFC/MMA in general is a pretty tight knit group and Rios has done more than his fair share of calling people out (the author of this post included) with no real facts behind a lot of his claims.
Hey UFC4 go fuck yourself, how about that? Fucking punk, I was just asking for the source that says lesnar gets 5 mill a fight, it’s obvious one does not exist. Bunch of gabronis on a site pulling figures out of your ass.
by Garrett Bennicas
This is what I said via twitter to Kid Nate. Rios would never be in the position he has in any legitimate sport with the way he acts. That doesn’t excuse Rogan’s use of a homophobic slur, but the analogy has to take both sides into account.
http://www.instrength.com
Yep, Rios is a dick to almost everyone he comes in contacat with and I’m supposed to be mad that he might lose a job making maybe a couple hundred bucks an article in a magazine? Sorry but in the real world the way you treat other people counts for a lot and if you act like a prick you’re gonna get treated like one.
Hey UFC4 go fuck yourself, how about that? Fucking punk, I was just asking for the source that says lesnar gets 5 mill a fight, it’s obvious one does not exist. Bunch of gabronis on a site pulling figures out of your ass.
by Garrett Bennicas
Yup. He acts like his shit don’t stink and there’s no blowback for acting like that. Well, there is.
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You’d think getting fired from Sherdog would have taught him a lesson but apparently it hasn’t.
Hey UFC4 go fuck yourself, how about that? Fucking punk, I was just asking for the source that says lesnar gets 5 mill a fight, it’s obvious one does not exist. Bunch of gabronis on a site pulling figures out of your ass.
by Garrett Bennicas
the F word.
calling a non gay the “f” word does not mean homophebic.
If I called a white friend
Ni**er in a public forum, I would be put on blast, and deservedly so.
BOOSH
Ludicrous
MMA is not “Not ready for Primetime,” due to this. There is a NATIONALLY PROMOTED film under similar fire for using the word ‘gay.’ It is a film starring Vince Vaughn and the word is included in the preview and the same uproarious backlash ensued.
Under the first amendment we have the freedom of speech. you cannot go after someone for exercising this right. the terms "faggot and gay have been notoriously scrutinized by artists on both sides of the fence. personal favorite is on the Simpson’s when boys see another kissing a girl and call him ‘gay.’
I was about to bash the article but then realized it isn’t an article.
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by Jonathan Snowden on Nov 22, 2010 11:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
First Amendment Right guarantees you freedom of speech
But it doesn’t guarantee you freedom from scrutiny or criticism.
by D Squared on Nov 23, 2010 12:30 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So tired of this stuff. Bitch is acceptable?
The use of the word is juvenile, but the reactions are almost as ridiculous. Ring the alarms!!!! gay people are offended at a word that was directed at anyone in their community!!!
"In this fight, Anderson showed he was human," Nogueira said. "He showed he could be weak. But he showed he is a fighter and he brings something from his heart. It was beautiful."
by Broke Lesnar on Nov 22, 2010 11:20 PM EST reply actions
wasn't*
"In this fight, Anderson showed he was human," Nogueira said. "He showed he could be weak. But he showed he is a fighter and he brings something from his heart. It was beautiful."
by Broke Lesnar on Nov 22, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
Also
“Lame.”
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by Neil Manich on Nov 22, 2010 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
Rogan should be able to say whatever he wants to say, particularly on the internet.
I find it ironic that people are complaining about the use of the word “faggot” when Dana White dropped the F-Bomb every other sentence.
he shoulda called him a moronic vaginal wart.
"In this fight, Anderson showed he was human," Nogueira said. "He showed he could be weak. But he showed he is a fighter and he brings something from his heart. It was beautiful."
by Broke Lesnar on Nov 22, 2010 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
until the people with STD's start petitioning.
"In this fight, Anderson showed he was human," Nogueira said. "He showed he could be weak. But he showed he is a fighter and he brings something from his heart. It was beautiful."
by Broke Lesnar on Nov 22, 2010 11:22 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Funny you bring that up
Dana has quite the history with the word “faggot.”
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by Neil Manich on Nov 22, 2010 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
and Dana also had to apologize to GLAAD
for his Loretta Hunt rant. MMA doesn’t need to get the very well organized gay community mad at us again.
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 22, 2010 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
Speaking of which
If MMA were to suddenly enter a downturn that coincidentally (I mean actual coincidence, not sarcasm) came after Dana White hypothetically mouthing off again… how much you want to bet that a good bit of the fanbase starts blaming “the gay mafia”?
You know, assuming hypothetical Dana White didn’t beat the hypothetical fanbase to it…
I wouldn't be surprised at all
looking within and admitting your own faults is very hard for most people.
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also
you offered to help us with some gif making and ignored my email request.
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 22, 2010 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
check your inbox!
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 22, 2010 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
check it now
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 23, 2010 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
You cheating on me for gifs now?
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by S.C. Michaelson on Nov 23, 2010 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
i'm a gif whore
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 23, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
no shame in my game
even spent some time trying to learn how to do it myself yesterday. a head on collision between lazyness and need to enlighten BE readers.
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 23, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
worth noting
that this all took place on a UG forum thread, not a professionally edited and widely distributed video blog.
doesn’t make rogan’s word choice any better, but the point is that everyone says crazy shit on message boards that they might regret.
One of the most public and well-recognized faces of the UFC
shouldn’t let himself do that
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I don't.
/looks around for Subo to call me out for an unfortunate drunken rant.
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freedom of speech
doesn’t mean freedom of speech? is there some other way to parse that sentence into meaning otherwise?
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 22, 2010 11:28 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
It always bums my out how homophobic the Mma community is and the fact that many of us act like it’s not an issue.
It’s embarrassing.
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by ekc on Nov 22, 2010 11:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions 15 recs
Troof.
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by Neil Manich on Nov 22, 2010 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
of course it's an issue.
But calling someone a f***** is not equivalent to homophobia.
"In this fight, Anderson showed he was human," Nogueira said. "He showed he could be weak. But he showed he is a fighter and he brings something from his heart. It was beautiful."
by Broke Lesnar on Nov 22, 2010 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
Rec'd.
Glad to hear professionals say this. I can personally vouch for making decisions that kept money from going from homophobic and/or racist athletes, and and instead went to sportsmen and good citizens. I’m incredibly proud of it.
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Hmm... there was an intriguing discussion on that a while back
In the comments on this fanpost.
Great you see you here by the way!
not gonna bother wading through the comments past the ones above
just wanted to say thanks to nate and jonathan for calling joe out on something like this. i’m sure you two will have a busy moderating night.
with that said, if joe had refrained from the inappropriate language, i would have completely agreed with his position. “pantheon level cluelessness” and the accompanying semantics pissing contest was pretty unnecessary.
the use of the term
and bragging about trying to get the guy fired were both over the line.
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 22, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
oh absolutely. i was more speaking to him feeling the need to respond in the first place. should have clarified. i just think rios’ attempt to school him in the first place was a little silly is all.
oh yeah
I was totally on board with The Voice and Rogan until he went off the deep end. The tone at the UG was pretty awful though. straight lynch mob.
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 22, 2010 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll also add Rogan has addressed the use of the word many times on his podcast and says he no ill towards gays at all, it’s just a slur.
Outside of the world of the internet alot of people use the word ‘Gay’ or ‘F****t’ as a slur towards something being crap, stupid etc. now.
Food goes in here
i’ve heard him break this down on his podcasts, and i don’t agree with him.
but i also think this whole Rios/UG situation is overblown as far as needing to cover it like a news story.
we're covering it like this
because so much of our audience think’s what Rogan did is A-Ok.
We’d like MMA to get cleaned up and ready for the big time thank you very much.
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 22, 2010 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
MMA needs to come to terms with its casual homophobia or it will only get worse.
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by Neil Manich on Nov 22, 2010 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
i don’t agree w/ what rogan said.
but it feels like singling him out to some extent, when there are dozens of fighters and other MMA personalities who are just as guilty if not worse
I'd argue that most fighters are not as recognizable to the general public as a representative of the UFC as Joe Rogan
He’s UFC’s commentator and the fear factor guy
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I seem to remember
Putting Njoukuwani through the ringer for something similar.
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by Neil Manich on Nov 22, 2010 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
Njokuani picked a pretty bad time to make the "not masculine for not standing and banging" argument
You know, after he got tapped. ;-)
Although it’s interesting… I’m sure the wide majority of the MMA fanbase would laugh at his statement, but what if more emphasis was put on the homophobia as the problem? (As opposed to “oh god it’s a striker’s mentality again.”)
send us links
we’ll cover their bullshit. Marcus Davis, Njoukuwani, we covered those guys. Jeremy Stephens too IIRC
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 22, 2010 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
Dan Hardy (I think)
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Didn't the Dan Hardy thing have to do with Marcus Davis?
Mindja, “I just said I wanted him to get AIDS, but those Photoshops’ll be up for life” was just digging the hole deeper…
Rogan doesn't get to unilaterally decide what is and isn't acceptable
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 22, 2010 11:31 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
louis ck has something to say about this issue
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IFloXOuLgA
and im out, political correctness is a motherfucker and ill leave it at that
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You know, I don't mind name calling, in fact, I quite enjoy it at times.
And as much as I hate the word faggot, since I saw my best friend get bashed in the side of the head by a beer glass while being called a faggot, I think it’s important that people say what they want.
Do I think Rogan hates gays? No. Do I believe he mocks them because he thinks their lifestyle isn’t as manly as his? Kinda, yeah. But it’s his speech, so let him spit it.
Like I always say, the speech is free, the consequences of that speech are not.
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Lead Biker: Faggot, often shortened to fag, has been used in the English language since the late sixteenth century. Its original meaning was “an old or unpleasant woman.”
Biker 2: That certainly don’t apply to us.
Lead Biker: Faggot later was defined as a bundle of sticks. And in the nineteenthh century, a faggot gatherer was someone who made a meager living gathering firewood.
Biker 6: Well they certainly ain’t calling us fags ‘cause we gather sticks; there’s got to be more!
Biker 2: What’s that part say there?
Lead Biker: Later, the term “fag” was defined as any awkward bundle to be carried, and was often used an an insult to the elderly, as in calling them “baggage.”
Biker 2: Fag was used as an insult to women, then poor people, then old people?
Lead Biker: In the early 1900s the word became a pe-jo-ra-tive term against homosexuals and trans-gender people in the United States.
Biker 10: Well that word just keeps changing its meaning. What’s it got to do with us?
by rabrown on Nov 22, 2010 11:26 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
What i don’t understand is rios calling him out for "defending the possibility of lentz winning’. Isn’t Rogan’s job to point out the possibilities the judges might of seen the fight differently and giving examples of how lentz could have won the fight.
I agree. In fact, shouldn’t we credit Rogan for being prescient enough to see how it might go down?
by Jonathan Snowden on Nov 22, 2010 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
We should
Rios should too, but it’s what he does. The dude takes his position for granted. There are tons of guys who would KILL for the opportunity to write for Sherdog or F.O and he acts like he should be able to act like a petulant douche because he has some manifest destiny to be in those positions.
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by Chris Barton on Nov 22, 2010 11:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The world is not a giant comedy club and a critical reporter is not a heckler to be shouted down.
Rios was definitely more Heckler than reporter with that comment.
there's a reason for that
"In this fight, Anderson showed he was human," Nogueira said. "He showed he could be weak. But he showed he is a fighter and he brings something from his heart. It was beautiful."
by Broke Lesnar on Nov 22, 2010 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
Why did i get a warning for using foul remarks when i clearly put them into quotations? a little too sensitive.
Bad call
you got your warning. Don’t bitch about it.
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by Chris Barton on Nov 22, 2010 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
Whoa there
No need for the sexist rant.
by smoogy2 on Nov 22, 2010 11:34 PM EST up reply actions 21 recs
Well played, sir.
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by Chris Barton on Nov 22, 2010 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
I can't not rec this.
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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 23, 2010 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t care, if i can’t post something that was clearly neutral, then there’s not much point in the site.
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 22, 2010 11:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
we have to be a little sensitive in threads like this
or they quickly blow up completely.
It was really your use of both ethnic and sexual slurs that made me hide your comment.
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 22, 2010 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
lol id love to know which previous posts have led to the most bans
the tito jenna one from a few months ago has to be up there
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hey anytime
happy to explain again if we have to ban you.
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 22, 2010 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
No need to be a dick. Go ahead and get your little power surge by banning me, there’s only a few hundred other mma sites.
Have fun on the other few hundred MMA sites.
See ya!
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by Chris Barton on Nov 22, 2010 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
what an odd way to go
the guy who got banned arguing with i think fagan over his ea mma review has gotta be my favorite though
although i wasnt there for the subo ban and i heard it was epic
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It was
Let us never speak of it again.
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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 23, 2010 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
Hey look, Subo showed up an hour late to the party
As usual
Hey UFC4 go fuck yourself, how about that? Fucking punk, I was just asking for the source that says lesnar gets 5 mill a fight, it’s obvious one does not exist. Bunch of gabronis on a site pulling figures out of your ass.
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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 23, 2010 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
...I may have sent you a snarky email as well.
GO BOLTS!
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nope
not in the mood.
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 23, 2010 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
A softer, gentler Nate
You’re losing your touch man
Hey UFC4 go fuck yourself, how about that? Fucking punk, I was just asking for the source that says lesnar gets 5 mill a fight, it’s obvious one does not exist. Bunch of gabronis on a site pulling figures out of your ass.
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nah
didn’t want to let him enjoy being a martyr
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 23, 2010 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
Ha. You just had to poke him again.
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by Richard Wade on Nov 23, 2010 2:52 AM EST up reply actions
While Joe probably should have chose a different word
he was posting on in a forum about it, it’s not like he was doing an actual press type thing. Chatting with his UG friends.
Rios is a bag of dicks. Had no clue what he was talking about and then dicktucked about it on twitter when he got called on it instead of just admitting he was wrong. F that guy.
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by Chris Barton on Nov 22, 2010 11:28 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
you have amazing word choice! I am impressed.
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by Earl Montclair on Nov 22, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously
“Dicktucked” made me laugh.
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by Neil Manich on Nov 22, 2010 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
Funniest thing I've heard
[tangent] For some reason it reminds me of this “blooper” video of a shotgun class where the instructor (deliberately?) called “butt tuck” instead of the regular shooting call… some poor sap on the firing line let off two shells AND transitioned to his pistol before he realized that he’d been had. [/tangent]
i will lose respect for rogan if he apologizes for this. you have to look at the context in which a word is used.
But you also have to look at the history of that word, and the way it has been used in the past (and continues to be used today).
Time did not begin the moment Joe Rogan said it.
um, historically and even today faggot has been used to describe people that are guilty of faggotry… which is just being an idiot/asshole.. nothing to do with sexual orientation.
Prove it
“i will lose respect for [insert here] if he apologizes for this”
facepalm
Reminds me of when Carl Paladino “apologized” for the infamous little anti-gay speech… only to promptly get shat on by the ‘rabbi’ (whose congregation the speech was for) BECAUSE he apologized.
I can't believe how many people
side with Michael Scott, a character known for being utterly tactless and clueless, on the use of homophobic slurs.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Nov 23, 2010 2:07 AM EST up reply actions
Let’s get down to the real reason Snowden wrote this article- he’s pissed that Rios is stealing his title as the most hated member of the MMA media.
Hey UFC4 go fuck yourself, how about that? Fucking punk, I was just asking for the source that says lesnar gets 5 mill a fight, it’s obvious one does not exist. Bunch of gabronis on a site pulling figures out of your ass.
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by ufc4 on Nov 22, 2010 11:30 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Joe Rogan and Dana White
Homosexual slurs by Rogan shouldn’t be THAT much of a surprise. I don’t know the guy, but I’m willing to bet that he has nothing against gay people in general and probably was using it as a term against a weak person.
I’m not condoning that, but I want to go on to state that White and Rogan ALWAYS use an array of bad language. If the UFC ever wants to be HUGE, where they can have the sport on networks in prime time or something, they need to clean up the language so perhaps a dad who had a kid who is a martial arts student and maybe wants to watch UFC xxx and not worry that Rogan or White will start cursing all over the place.
Yeah I know it’s fighting….but so what…..it’s martial arts and that doesn’t have to be equated with language they may not want a kid to hear.
So, that’s my thing….UFC, clean it up!
Problem is
“he has nothing against gay people in general and probably was using it as a term against a weak person.”
Seen the previous comments on the correlation of gay and weak in homophobic terms?
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by Tim Burke on Nov 22, 2010 11:38 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I missed it...
What’d he change is from?
by Boondock Video on Nov 22, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
So could this ACTUALLY result in Rogan's dismissal (as OP says)...
Or is that just headline grabbing title?
Is anyone else talking about this? Seems a bit sensationalized to me.
And it would be ironically hilarious if Dana “I use the F*****T word” White fired Rogan for this.
by Boondock Video on Nov 22, 2010 11:38 PM EST reply actions
The dismissal referenced Rios I believe, not Rogan
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yea cant imagine many people complaining about that one
"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
Indeed
When I first read the headline I thought it implied Rogan’s dismissal too, but on a second look, it seemed to be going for rios
Its safe to say that without Playboy we wouldn't have MMA as we know it today. - Jonathan Snowden
yeah
Poorly worded title.
"One should always be cold minded and remember that a ridiculous incident may occur any time."
I'm more offended
that Rogan felt compelled to come down from his tete-a-tete with the burning bush to play the semantics game with someone who slammed his commentary.
Joe Rogan shouldn’t care what Thomas Rios says anymore than I care about what Rogan says when he’s not onstage or in the broadcast booth.
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
Yeah
Rios has what? Like a 1000 followers?
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by Neil Manich on Nov 22, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
Not accurate.
Breen, Rios and all the guys at Sherdog constantly talk shit about Rogan and how he does his job.
Listen to their podcasts sometime.
"One should always be cold minded and remember that a ridiculous incident may occur any time."
Just my two cents...
If Rios spent more time trying to be a decent .. blogger/journalist whatever and less time trying to “zing” people in the most smartass way possible he probably wouldn’t be in this situation.
I know that a lot of the sherdog set have a lot of disdain for Rogan.. maybe it’s their denial of press creds, or maybe it’s just jealousy that he has a job they would die for… but having guys pick apart your job constantly has to be stressful and annoying.
Also if you watch Rogan’s vblog he uses homophobic slurs all the time and explains the fact that he has no ill will toward gay people, that the use of the word shouldn’t offend people when it’s not meant as an inslut to gay people. There is nothing in his professional or personal life to suggest that he has any hate for gays, people of color, or women.
If you agree with his logic or not, it’s out there and well documented.
Also, calling Joe Rogan out for using derogatory and inflammatory speech is like hating on Wanderlei Silva for loving his fans. It’s his deal. He’s a frigging blue comedian for god sake.
Rios is a hack.
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Update this son
I apologize for my use of the word “faggot.” I enjoy that word immensely, and although I do not intend for its use to be interpreted as a negative term for homosexuals, but rather as I’ve always used it to imply that a person is weak and pathetic, which I believe Rios to be. I understand that in this ultra-sensitive, politically correct world we live in one must be careful of the words they choose, for in choosing the wrong one you can give your adversary a new angle of distraction, as I see Rios is concentrating on that now instead of owning up to the fact that he has no fucking idea what the proper terminology of the kick he criticized me of describing was.
What’s really important is not a hot button insult word, or a disagreement on terms used to describe techniques, but rather completely incompetent reporters masquerading as martial arts experts. Rios is a negative asshole that consistently insults fighters and produces fight breakdowns that resemble what I would expect from an angry failure with no friends who has spent too much time alone with a thesaurus trying to convince people that he’s clever.
I have sat back and watched this shit-head spout out his horrible, disrespectful nonsense for a long time, and was truly happy when he was fired by sherdog, and absolutely perplexed when I found out that Fighters Only Magazine is actually giving him actual real money for the bullshit he’s trying to pass off as journalism.
Fighters Only is one of the very best magazines in the sport, and as per my correspondence with them I’m delighted that I’m not the only one that thinks he’s an asshat and a terrible journalist.
When I saw that he had opened his dumb trap about me I welcomed the opportunity to shut him up.
As for my use of the offensive word “faggot” please accept my apologies and replace it with “cock-sucker.”
Thank you, and good day.
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by Pandanus on Nov 22, 2010 11:42 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Nate!
I think he used asshole just for you
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This is fucking pathetic.
So he says the slur he used to describe a group of people is synonymous with “weak and pathetic” and then tries to make things better by changing the word to “cock-sucker”, another word which only carries power because of it’s homophobic undertones? This is the opposite of an apology, and sent me from disappointed in his word choice to legitimately pissed.
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by pdl on Nov 22, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
women can be cocksuckers too
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by RolloTomasi on Nov 22, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Exactly. And it's not an insult to a girl.
It’s considered an insult when said to men, and he’s talking to a man. Calling him a ‘f**got" and later a “c***sucker” (I’m trying to be good, mods/editors. I really am.)
Rogan didn’t apologize for one goddamn thing. He’s either being dumb or petulant.
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meh
I no longer care.
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by RolloTomasi on Nov 22, 2010 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously?
Now you’re calling for the beheading of the colloquial use of the word “cocksucker”? If I call you ‘humorless’ and ‘born tragically without a personality’ would you consider that an affront to newborns and dead people?
by David Castillo on Nov 23, 2010 12:01 AM EST up reply actions 23 recs
Rec'd
for awesome hilarity
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Beautifully done.
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by Geno Mrosko on Nov 23, 2010 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
I've called plenty of people cocksuckers.
On it’s own, it’s pretty far removed. But Rogan used homosexuality as a casual insult, then calmly explained later that he did it because he considers homosexuality a sign of being weak and pathetic. Then he used another word to imply that Rios was in fact a homosexual.
Rogan never apologizes to the LGBT community. He says he’s sorry that he gave Rios a distraction to the argument. Show me where there was even a hint at a meaningful apology in that post and I’ll show you something that doesn’t exist.
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by pdl on Nov 23, 2010 12:09 AM EST up reply actions 7 recs
I just don't get
how you can be legit mad about this. You have a gay brother or something?
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by Geno Mrosko on Nov 23, 2010 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
I can't understand
how I’m the only person who sees that the statement he made isn’t even close to an apology. I also can’t understand why every time you disagree with something I say, you just speculate about my personal life rather than actually discuss the content.
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by pdl on Nov 23, 2010 12:20 AM EST up reply actions 10 recs
You are not the only person
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by jebushchrist on Nov 23, 2010 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
I see where you’re coming from, it seems like a tongue in cheek apology to me, which is Rogan’s way. I didn’t find it offensive personally though.
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Here's the thing.
His casual use of the word was offensive and disappointing, but could have been diffused. I’d still think it was a damn fool thing to say, but not a huge issue. Just shitty of him.
Now instead of saying “I’m sorry for perpetuating the use of an ugly slur and will refrain from using it except for when appropriate in comedy routines and acting scenarios” he goes and makes it worse. He doesn’t even address the community. In fact, he characterizes everybody who was offended as being “ultra-sensitive” and then passes blame by claiming that Rios is blowing up the issue to distract from what is apparently a greater affront; mediocre journalism. Then he demeans Rios by calling him homosexual in another form. That’s his conclusion. Rogan called him a shithead earlier in the same post… which I’d still say was an issue for a professional but whatever.
Joe isn’t sorry. He thinks he didn’t do any wrong. He’s waving it in everybody’s face. And the MMA community is [largely] ok with that. Fucking pathetic.
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by pdl on Nov 23, 2010 12:33 AM EST up reply actions 7 recs
He called him the C word at the start of the thread too. I personally find that word more offensive than anything else he said. But that’s just me.
I agree with your last paragraph to a point. He believes his statement was misconstrued, and likely isn’t sorry. And took the opportunity to (probably honestly) explain his side, while doing what he thinks he’s good at…being funny. The man is a comedian after all. Does that make it okay? Probably not. But he uses the words on stage and no one bats an eye. My guess would be that he doesn’t really see the difference, so he’s having fun with it.
You find the whole thing very offensive. That’s your prerogative. I’m just not taking it that seriously. Someone else here said something very true – Rogan is one of those guys that is famous in two fields of work. In one, he’s expected to be PC. In the other, the rules are a lot less restrictive. I don’t think he’s being malicious in this case – he’s just blurring the line between the two.
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by Tim Burke on Nov 23, 2010 12:39 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thank you
I respect pdl’s view here, tho I disagree. But I was unable to articulate it like this.
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I still disagree.
When a comedian (in this case Joe Rogan) is on stage, he’s not really Joe Rogan, the guy who his friends probably like. He’s a character. He tells stories that don’t have to be true and you don’t have to believe them. It’s an act or a routine designed to elicit laughter. A performance art. That has it’s own set of rules.
When Joe Rogan is sitting at his computer talking on message boards, he’s actually Joe Rogan; comedian, UFC broadcaster, and former host of Fear Factor. That’s a real person. And what he’s doing is making clearly offensive remarks and showing neither remorse nor apology to those offended, but belittling their sensitivity to words they had shouted at them while being kicked in the teeth in high school.
I see your points, just disagree with them. I’m enjoying the conversation though, so thanks for being reasonable.
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Here’s what I feel like joe did in his apology. He apologized somewhat offhandedly (tho i think he was probably sincere in not intending to offend originally) in the same vein that his slur was offhanded (I’m not trying to see that the word lacks meaning or offense). Then he continued to explain, using comedic license, what it was that upset him.
He could/should have been much more PC in his apology as political incorrectness is what started this whole issue. However, I actually like that he stuck to the issue that originally started the argument, as opposed to Rios’s feigned indignation.
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You don’t think a comedian’s “character” is an extension or an amplification of their personality? Most of his act is about his life. Obviously he’s trying to get a response and turns up the volume, but I don’t make as much of a distinction between comedian and “real person” as you. I think that’s why I’m able to justify him flying down the middle of the road between the two sides. I don’t see in such black and white terms. The rules are different, but the person isn’t.
My point in that is the “real” Joe Rogan IS the guy on the UG. AND the guy on stage. So I don’t have a problem with him going between the two. Is he belittling people? Absolutely. But in that belittlement, he is getting a point across that is genuine, I believe. He’s not offending for offending’s sake. He’s not hating on gay people. He’s just being Joe Rogan.
Does that excuse it? I don’t know. But I’m not gonna lose sleep over it.
I always enjoy reasonable conversation, and you’re one of the best on BE at it. Props.
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by Chris Hall on Nov 23, 2010 1:08 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You're right.
It’s an extension and amplification of their personality. It’s an act he puts on. He’s trying to get a response. All of your descriptions are spot on. That’s what he is on stage. An entertainment product. Off stage, he’s another regular guy who’s responsible for what he says.
It sounds like we fundamentally disagree on his level of responsibility once he is no longer distinctly an entertainment product known as Joe Rogan, or whether there is a line versus shades of grey between the product of Joe Rogan and the human being Joe Rogan.
If you agree with that, then I’d call this a successful discussion. If we are scoring Internet Arguments, its pdl & beer monster 1, youtube comments eleventy billion.
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I definitely agree with that statement. I like it when people can come to a conclusion to agree to disagree, yet still make solid points on both sides. I’m thinking the internet might explode when I push post.
I just have one addendum:
pdl & beer monster 1, youtube comments eleventy billion, Subo 0.
Good convo, sir.
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I come from an INSANELY argumentative and stubborn family.
We honestly pride ourselves on starting fights with each other over minor things. A few years ago at Chrismas, we spent 2.5 hours arguing about whether the word “exquisite” could be used to describe chili. I called my uncle bourgeois and classist for making amorphous claims that the word was supposed to be kept for ‘nicer’ things.
But it’s never about who wins. It’s about forming your argument and supporting it. And everybody is way too stubborn to back down. They accidentally prepared me for blogs and message boards since before the internet existed.
Next round of shots are on me Mr. Monster, since you seem to have beer covered. What’s your poison?
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Exquisite chili?
You, sir, are bastardizing the language.
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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 23, 2010 1:43 AM EST up reply actions
You sir, have never had my chili.
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At best
It is “top-of-the-line”.
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Nate: When I banned Subo?
Luke: That was a good one.
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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 23, 2010 1:56 AM EST up reply actions
That's crazy
That sounds exactly like my family. We’d always argue over everything we could, but always had to structure the arguments to make solid, irrefutable points.
It usually ended relatively relaxed, but the best one was probably the one that ended with me and my (much older) stepbrother having a firepoker fight after disagreeing about hockey. I was totally right. But I did end up being the one that had to go to the hospital. So I lost.
Don’t drink much hard stuff, actually. But jager bombs taste like sunshine and bubble gum. And make me forget stuff. So we’ll go with that.
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we didn’t think to use fire pokers
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Let me guess
You used to be a pro wrestling fan but now you’re embarassed.
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by Neil Manich on Nov 23, 2010 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe he was a Pride fan and didn’t realize it was actually Pro Wrestling.
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by spectaa on Nov 23, 2010 12:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We’re on the same page, again.
by John Nash on Nov 23, 2010 12:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
That's just Geno being Geno
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by S.C. Michaelson on Nov 23, 2010 7:18 AM EST up reply actions
yea
I have about 1,000,000 gay brothers and sisters and last time I checked they were getting murdered on the regular by homophobic assholes shouting slurs.
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 23, 2010 12:21 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Its amazing how so many people in this comment section are apparently unaware with the HUGE anti-bullying movement going on now.
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by Neil Manich on Nov 23, 2010 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
Not me
I watched that episode of Bully Beatdown where Mayhem whipped that dudes @$$
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I wouldn't be surprised though
If it, like NBC’s “going green,” just resulted in “ugh too much” backlash. Didn’t this all start from that Rutgers student’s suicide?
Well
now that this thread has denigrated into people completely overreacting, let me just say this. He uses the word cunt and no one cares and then says faggot and suddenly people are freaking out. Someone saying faggot doesn’t mean they want to murder gay people.
It’s odd too because there are a ton of posters on here who use the word “nigga” all the time, yet no one says shit about that. Wait, I said something and everyone fucking flipped out on me for it. I would argue those words are equally destructive and yet their exists this huge double standard.
I didn’t attack anyone’s personal life. I simply asked a question because typically people get upset about something like this because of some sort of negative experience with it. I didn’t mean for anyone to be any more sensitive than they’re already being.
Using that word does not imply any sort of hatred towards gay people. In fact, I would argue that if there is anyone on earth who would accept gay people for being what they are, it’s Joe Rogan.
This whole thing is just ridiculous and I think people are overreacting to a simple word.
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Spectaa got banned for saying "nigga"
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That’s what I’ve stated a couple of times. I actually find the c word more offensive than anything else he said. But that’s personal perspective.
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I should point out that I don’t agree with everything there, just the C word stuff. I do believe that the word does imply some hatred, and I don’t believe any of us are in a position to say with any certainty how Joe Rogan feels about homosexuals. It is something that people throw out too flippantly, without really understanding the hurt it causes a segment of society.
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I’ve known gay men that cared and gay men that didn’t care about the usage of the word faggot. Almost all of them, in my experience, needed context to determine whether or not it bothered them.
The word cunt needs no context, people I know, and again, just from my experience, but people I know will literally go to jail over kicking the shit out of someone for using the word cunt.
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Yet in England, the c word is thrown out very liberally and not seen in the same light as I (or you) see it. So are homosexual slurs. It’s different everywhere. I find the conversation interesting, but since everyone comes from a different place, everyone has a different view. It’s the ultimate “agree to disagree”, I guess.
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So the only time you feel angry about something
is when it affects you directly?
“When you lose the capacity for empathy, it’s easy to become indifferent.” – Dr. Cornel West.
Rec'd for Cornel West
Unfortunately, Dr. West’s quote applies some of the time to me… CRAP.
I do
And I accept Joe’s apology.
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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 23, 2010 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
Legit LOL @ "you have a gay brother or something"?
WOW, fucking WOW
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by S.C. Michaelson on Nov 23, 2010 7:17 AM EST up reply actions
Troll someone else.
There isn’t anyone on earth who cares less about what you think than me.
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by Geno Mrosko on Nov 23, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with S.C. on this one Geno
that comment was extremely revealing of truly deep seated ignorance. And i’m a huge Geno fan. But damn son, you don’t have to have a gay brother to care about people and what they go through and if you think caring about people makes you weak I don’t know what to tell you.
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 23, 2010 10:35 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I don't get it...
You condemn Rogan for calling Rios a faggot and then for calling him a cocksucker on the basis that the two are both deragotory terms with undertones of a similar nature while admitting to using the latter. What is the real beef here anyway and why does everywhere care so much?
I took Rogan’s apology as a sincere but somewhat misplaced (his justification for using the word faggot as simply pretentious and self important), with the use of the word “cocksucker” as a moderately clever way of Rogan allowing himself to still insult Rios, but without the PC police having to stop and pull him over.
Again, who cares? These are two grown men who had their spat, and unfortunately the blogosphere was around to witness it ande make much ado about nothing. Rios will live to fight and minse obscure words together to insult others another day. Rogan will keep being Rogan, screaming at the top of his lungs whenever the right hands land, while making terrible analogies to animal sex organs and lacerations. And we – the royal WE – will keep using words (like, ‘faggot’, like ‘cocksucker’, like ‘retard’) that are hateful and offensive outside of a public forum because these are the words instinctive to use when we ourselves are feeling hateful and offended.
by David Castillo on Nov 23, 2010 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
Oops...
“us”..not “use” there at the end.
by David Castillo on Nov 23, 2010 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
Someones upset it's a joke and the internet man
Lighten up he didn’t post it on twitter
by The_One_Yandle on Nov 22, 2010 11:48 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Come on dude
cocksucker isn’t some anti-gay talking point.
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by Chris Barton on Nov 22, 2010 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
My honest reaction to this:

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got a link?
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 22, 2010 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
On UG
page 9
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by Chris Barton on Nov 22, 2010 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
already updated this post
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by Luke Thomas on Nov 22, 2010 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=forum.posts&forum=1&thread=1731713&page=9
Hey UFC4 go fuck yourself, how about that? Fucking punk, I was just asking for the source that says lesnar gets 5 mill a fight, it’s obvious one does not exist. Bunch of gabronis on a site pulling figures out of your ass.
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That's Joe
I loled.
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by Neil Manich on Nov 22, 2010 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, yeah, right, now it’s all okay…
Looks to me like Rogan believes a little too much in his own untouchability – quite a bit like a certain Mr. White does. They are both a significant part of UFC today, but this kind of hotheaded behavior in the face of criticism does not help the cause of the sport. While a significant part of the fanbase may use the same sort of language themselves, that demographic alone isn’t enough to take MMA into where UFC/Zuffa wants it to go. In order to become anywhere as large as the biggest sports in the US, MMA will have to reach the kinds of audiences who are not cool with the sort of vocabulary and behavior Dana White and Joe Rogan are all too prone to use.
Moreso, on the long run this kind of adversarial behavior toward criticism won’t help, either. Even if UFC is a virtual monopoly, it is a virtual monopoly in a niche sport that wants to grow. In order to grow, having a reputation that screams “we will attack anyone who dares to disagree or question us” won’t help. You think major sports medias like ESPN are going to give UFC the kid gloves treatment forever? You think they’ll roll over and play dead when Dana goes off on them?
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by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Nov 22, 2010 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
How would you like it if somebody constantly talked shit on how you did your job? when you do a damn good job?
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well speaking from experience
i can only ban so many of my readers before my thumbs give out on me. it’s a lot easier just to ignore the comment sections.
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 23, 2010 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
That's why you hired me
all those years sitting at my PC one handed at night have made my thumbs wicked strong. Tireless.
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by Chris Barton on Nov 23, 2010 12:03 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
you're the hoss
I still need to get around to empowering all the henchmen we recruited in that fanpost.
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 23, 2010 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
I don't care if it's past my bedtime
I’m staying up!
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by Chris Barton on Nov 23, 2010 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
People supported ME as a moderator.
You may want to make this a bit like the Iranian democracy. Get the Guardian Council and Supreme Leader to keep the dude in green* away from power.
*I’m in green because my posts ALWAYS get recs, son.
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by pdl on Nov 23, 2010 12:13 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Well played
That shit was lil wayne caliber.
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by Neil Manich on Nov 23, 2010 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
I'm an idiot
and said both of you would be good.
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by Chris Barton on Nov 23, 2010 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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by Geno Mrosko on Nov 23, 2010 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
So I have to stop rule number 4ing those to?
Not happening.
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by Neil Manich on Nov 23, 2010 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
#BartonNeedsANap
Who’s with me!
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by Tim Burke on Nov 23, 2010 12:17 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And not a moment too soon.
Luke: What was our best moment?
Nate: When I banned Subo?
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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 23, 2010 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
Well done sir
Although, the idea of someone suddenly becoming left-hand dominant is not unheard of to me…
Hmm
“While a significant part of the fanbase may use the same sort of language themselves, that demographic alone isn’t enough to take MMA into where UFC/Zuffa wants it to go. In order to become anywhere as large as the biggest sports in the US, MMA will have to reach the kinds of audiences who are not cool with the sort of vocabulary and behavior Dana White and Joe Rogan are all too prone to use.”
So, the casuals in the sense of “non-MMA fans except when a PPV is on” versus “the Affliction-wearers”? Oh joy…
Political correctness is BS
as Bill Cooper would say. Let’s stop this nonsense man. I am sick and tired of it. The world is going to hell and we are wasting time discussing why that guy used an unfortunate word.
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by SheepleBuster on Nov 22, 2010 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
Let’s not confuse political correctness and civility.
by John Nash on Nov 23, 2010 12:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hang on, son
I have more of a problem with his apology. As I stated earlier, I don’t think he hates gays but he clearly thinks they’re ‘below him’ by calling them weak and pathetic. This explanation is very telling and speaks to the troubling nature of the way a large portion of adult males view homosexual men. You’re better than this, Joe. For a smart guy, this is very ignorant.
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by jebushchrist on Nov 22, 2010 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
No I don’t think it’s like that, it’s like, the word doesn’t even refer to homosexuals anymore, more like a new insult with no relation to the homophobic slur. That’s how he pretends to use it.
I can spend my day without using the word though, but most of the day I speak French…Also I try not to write like I speak, that would be a fuckin disaster.
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Just because you don’t think it refers to homosexuals doesn’t mean that people aren’t diminished and demeaned by having it applied to them. Faggot is a term applied to insult homosexuals. That’s what the word is for.
As has been stated earlier, use another word. Pretty much any other word.
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by jebushchrist on Nov 23, 2010 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
And the term "asshole"
refers to the place where shit comes out, but we all can understand the different ways it can be used.
But people don't attack and beat your asshole because it shits.
(I assume)
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by jebushchrist on Nov 23, 2010 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
You're completely missing my point based on your sensitivity to the word...
My point is, you use the word “asshole” and I don’t think of the place where doody comes from, I see it as an insult towards someone who is being a jerk.
And in this case, when Rogan is using the term “faggot,” I don’t think of it as an insult towards someone who willingly engages in sex with men, I think of it as an insult towards someone who is being a jerk.
I understand feeling a little oversensitive about the word, but I don’t think every time someone sees the word "faggot’ that the person should immediately be called a homophobe, unless they’re specifically using it to insinuate that there is something bad about some man-on-man sexual action.
You're missing the point
Asshole does not equal faggot. It’s the ultimate apples and oranges argument.
It doesn’t really matter if you aren’t bothered by the word, you’re not everyone. It’s a special word, one of a handful, that shouldn’t be used. I can’t think of a single reason why you can’t make your point with a different word.
And you would probably feel “a little oversensitive” if someone yelled that word at you and beat the shit out of you for no other reason than your sexual preference.
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by jebushchrist on Nov 23, 2010 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
Apparently you have never smelled his shits
I'm the best ever. You're the most average in a minute.
by slapjaw ackrite on Nov 23, 2010 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
A plague! A plague on all false apologies!
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by Neil Manich on Nov 23, 2010 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
lols to this
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by Jonathan Snowden on Nov 22, 2010 11:44 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
Recd
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by Neil Manich on Nov 22, 2010 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
YES
Telling my girlfriend about this online and she said this,
People are weird. I’m a cock sucker. You would be DEVASTATED if I refused to suck you.. but all of a sudden, cock sucker is a bad thing. People need to make up their minds. You want your cock sucked or not?
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by Chris Barton on Nov 22, 2010 11:50 PM EST up reply actions 11 recs
She's a keeper.
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by andrew861 on Nov 22, 2010 11:52 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Don't I know it!
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by Chris Barton on Nov 22, 2010 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
I hope your response was just 1 word.
yes
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by jebushchrist on Nov 22, 2010 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
lols
a good girl you got there
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by The_One_Yandle on Nov 22, 2010 11:45 PM EST reply actions
I only see one clear winner here and that’s Snowden. His article inspired replies from Rios and Rogan on the UG and put BE in the middle of everything. Bravo sir.
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by andrew861 on Nov 22, 2010 11:51 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Even if it was true you got a man fired, why would you brag about that?
If you’re in an argument with your next door neighbor you make your point and make it clearly. If he accepts it, he accepts it, if he doesn’t, screw ‘em. Move on with your life. What you don’t do is burn the guy’s house down?
Even if the guy is a jerk to you, you don’t prove yourself tough or a big man by messing with a man’s livelihood. I wonder how tough Joe would feel if he had to look that man’s family in the eye and explain to them why daddy can’t put food on the table like he used to be cause you need to be right.
It’s questionable whether he even got the guy fired, but if he did… seriously? D*ck move.
well
If you got a bad doctor fired it would be a good thing. He wouldn’t keep screwing up or doing subpar operations.
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Rios’s asshattery goes beyond the kick naming. Plus, you gotta remember… half the people here openly campaign for Mike Goldberg to be fired.
Getting bent out of shape over a fight promoter lying is like getting upset that a hooker won't kiss you. It betrays a deep lack of understanding of the nature of the profession.
ha
great.
"One should always be cold minded and remember that a ridiculous incident may occur any time."
same here, couldn't care less.
arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics... even if you win, you're still retarded!
I do not intend for its use to be interpreted as a negative term for homosexuals, but rather as I’ve always used it to imply that a person is weak and pathetic
This has worked for Eminem for years, can’t see why it won’t work for Rogan.
I love Rogan.
But why is he adding fuel to the flame? That comment is only going to stir up more trouble, and I would be DEVASTATED if we lost out on his commentary.
Why?
Because he’s Joe Rogan and he don’t give a fuck son!
by Devil Beest on Nov 22, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
Wow
All of this over a twitter comment about the proper terminology for a kick. Truly embarassing for all parties involved. Check your ego’s at the door. This is just sad.
by chunkyass on Nov 23, 2010 12:00 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
THIS is MMA People PUNCH each other kick each other in the head..
guys even hug it out in the Octogon. But man if you try and bring any more goddamn feeling into this and get all lovey dovey about the image of a brutal combat sport. I’m going to quit training quit being a fan and a MAN and go do something like.. parkour.
seriously tho.. do you guys really feel like Rogan will lose his job for calling a douche bag reporter what he really is ? I’m sure Dana sent JOE a fight of the night bonus for Bitch Slapping
Dana likes to call people "fag" too.
And UFC’s top draw is known for hating the gays. Not a goddamn thing will happen to Rogan.
Parkour... only okay if you come back dressed in white and answering to Altaïr
… or Ezio. Yeah, Ezio’s good too.
Heh...
I never had a problem with Rios, and thought he was actually pretty good when he wasn’t trying so hard to include pop culture references into his every thought, or be overly wordy, but the description of him as someone who tries to substitute the use of thesaurus as being clever couldn’t be more accurate. For those not willing to waste time at dictionary.com, “pantheon” relates neither to distance, nor degree. Just saying.
by David Castillo on Nov 23, 2010 12:09 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
More Rogan.... he is on fire tonight
I had a gay guy tell me once that “faggot” is a term that only gay people can use. I asked him to clarify, and he said, “It’s our ‘n**ger.’”
I told him that was the gayest shit I had ever heard, and that he could go fuck himself.
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
by Chris Barton on Nov 23, 2010 12:01 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
that’s hilarious. Rogan is the best eva.
by Devil Beest on Nov 23, 2010 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
what do you find funny?
"One should always be cold minded and remember that a ridiculous incident may occur any time."

Hey UFC4 go fuck yourself, how about that? Fucking punk, I was just asking for the source that says lesnar gets 5 mill a fight, it’s obvious one does not exist. Bunch of gabronis on a site pulling figures out of your ass.
by Garrett Bennicas
Things that are actually funny.
The problematic use of the language aside, using the word “gay” as a pejorative is about as funny and creative as Gallagher on his worst day. We thought it was funny in the 4th grade.
damn
I didn’t know Niles Crane posted on the BEs.

"One should always be cold minded and remember that a ridiculous incident may occur any time."
by VelociAldo on Nov 23, 2010 12:20 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
You have to be an insensitive asshole to think that shit is funny
I find it hilarious
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That’s a bit stupid, I read it again and again, trying to make some sense out of it, nah. I usually laugh at his stuff, this isn’t really funny, try reading it without the Joe Rogan voice in mind, it blows.
They see me rollin...
I can actually hear it in my head with Rogans inflections and it makes me laugh for sure
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Wow, entitled White Men. HILARIOUS!
by Enmascarado on Nov 23, 2010 1:32 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd for truth... wasn't this discussed before regarding MMA
And “white privilege”?
Incidentally, I wonder what “entitled Asian male” counts as…
Whats the over/under for how many comments this thread gets here on BE?
I am seriously putting it somewhere around 1,347 that is my geuss.
by The_One_Yandle on Nov 23, 2010 12:05 AM EST reply actions
So it Is getting pretty damn close to 1,000 comments I guess I should of bet under still.
by The_One_Yandle on Nov 23, 2010 10:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Also This:
What’s really important is not a hot button insult word, or a disagreement on terms used to describe techniques, but rather completely incompetent reporters masquerading as martial arts experts. Rios is a negative asshole that consistently insults fighters and produces fight breakdowns that resemble what I would expect from an angry failure with no friends who has spent too much time alone with a thesaurus trying to convince people that he’s clever.
Totally Rios.
"One should always be cold minded and remember that a ridiculous incident may occur any time."
Shocked.

But no, I’m not really shocked.
by ultima0chaotic on Nov 23, 2010 12:08 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
LOL
maybe allowing comments on a post like this was a bad idea.. nothing good can come from it… (i’ve seen alot of them be deleted)
Yeah mine was deleted but it was totally understandable......
I also got my first and apparently last warning ever! This whole thread has sparked a lot of controversy and well apparently pollitcally incorrect comments. I learned my lesson and probably should of read the rules for posting a bit more lol.
by The_One_Yandle on Nov 23, 2010 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
now that's how you take a warning!
thanks for getting it.
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 23, 2010 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
Nicely done sir
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He finally cracked
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That's why I usually...
Don’t fuck around in threads like this.
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by Applejack McNeil on Nov 23, 2010 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
I have to admit, I was wondering that one too
Was it meant as an insult? Entirely possible (in which case I get the ban), but I’ve never heard this one before.
he had a lot litany of warnings in his file
and I didn’t feel like parsing it out.
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 23, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
on a thread like this the banhammer
thirsts for brains.
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 23, 2010 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
The words have power because people give them power.
I see a bunch of people with their panties in a twist over a word, AND THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT THE PEOPLE WHO USE IT AGAINST THEM WANT.
Seriously. People who react so passionately against a word are giving the antagonist exactly what they want. When everyone can stop giving them what they want, they might just fucking realize there’s no point in using it anymore.
Rios
is acting like such an English slang term for cigarettes for his blatant gaybaiting.
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You're right
He’s acting really, really queer.
(I mean that in the way that it is defined in the dictionary, i.e. “of a questionable nature or character” not that he likes penis and that there’s something wrong with it)
Very funny indeed.
Funny haha of course.

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by Urijah Bieber on Nov 23, 2010 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
Your user name still cracks me up.
"You stick a microphone in a guy's face and he calls out anybody but the champion, and Joe Silva should fax him a pink slip right then." -- Chael Sonnen.
Greatest apology ever by Joe Rogan
I didn’t even realize Rios had been fired by Sherdog, I stopped reading anything with his name on it a long time ago.
I don’t know how to feel about the use of the F word anymore. Recently something on TMZ confused me on the matter.
For reference it started with this same type of name calling here: http://www.tmz.com/2010/11/16/sarah-palin-willow-palin-homophobic-slur-facebook-attack-sarah-palins-alaska-dancing-with-the-stars-tlc/
The public came down on the Palin daughter for using the term but then a gay group came out and defended her.
Just BE.
Nothing will happen to Rogan. Dana likes to throw the word around too. And fuck Joe’s insincere “apology”.
by Mercutio on Nov 23, 2010 12:24 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
450 comments at midnight ET on a Monday night
BE wishes to thank Tomas Rios and Joe Rogan for their continued support.
Hey UFC4 go fuck yourself, how about that? Fucking punk, I was just asking for the source that says lesnar gets 5 mill a fight, it’s obvious one does not exist. Bunch of gabronis on a site pulling figures out of your ass.
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by ufc4 on Nov 23, 2010 12:27 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
We just need Carwin to chime in to call it a real successful day.
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by Tim Burke on Nov 23, 2010 12:28 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This totally seems like something Carwin would have something to say about actually
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by Neil Manich on Nov 23, 2010 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
McCorkle and Ciesnolevic "Mike C" chimed in on THE UG
by The_One_Yandle on Nov 23, 2010 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
McCorkle should stop talking
He’s not good at it
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What did he have to say? Considering the amount of line-crossing shit he’s said about Stefan Struves that’s probably pertinent to this convo, I’m sure it wasn’t exactly full of intelligence.
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McCorkle is equally bad at shit-talking as Koschek
just ask Anton :)
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Ah, yes, how did I forget the missing W
Its safe to say that without Playboy we wouldn't have MMA as we know it today. - Jonathan Snowden
Their quotes
Mike C : “Rogan’s the man! Rios is punk who knows dick about MMA.”
McCorkle : “Statements like that are exactly the reason I got Rios fired from Sherdog.”
He then lol’ed about someone saying “Cunt is a horribley underused word.”
Then he explained that Rios got fired a few days after McCorkle and him had it out.
by The_One_Yandle on Nov 23, 2010 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
And War Machine to write about it in his next prison blog.
Hey UFC4 go fuck yourself, how about that? Fucking punk, I was just asking for the source that says lesnar gets 5 mill a fight, it’s obvious one does not exist. Bunch of gabronis on a site pulling figures out of your ass.
by Garrett Bennicas
“Rogan called somebody a fag! That’s so gay lol.”
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by Neil Manich on Nov 23, 2010 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
He is working on his blog post right about now
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by SheepleBuster on Nov 23, 2010 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
He’s still trying to catch his breath after typing out that twitter rant earlier.
by Mandmeisterx on Nov 23, 2010 12:30 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Whatever
As long as we’re still allowed to use “Gay.”
Ha.
1) I Compare Mr. Snowden to Fox News.
2) He says that such an accusation was laughably stupid.
3) The next day, he comes up with such a sensationalistic headline that the chief editor feels the need to step in and take it upon himself to remedy things.
An interesting progression of things, wouldn’t you say?
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former - Albert Einstein"
- Goonisis
No
I changed one word. Editors edit. That’s what we do. This is common. I do this every day.
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by Luke Thomas on Nov 23, 2010 12:43 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, i was being a dick.
Didn’t really think it through. Just wanted to be right. Sorry JonathanSnowden, i owe you that.
Not to retract my criticisms, but no need to be a duck about it.
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former - Albert Einstein"
- Goonisis
gasp, an editor has to edit?
Man that is serious.
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by Urijah Bieber on Nov 23, 2010 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
When Snowden says something is laughably stupid, you’re onto something. That said, it’s just one word.
I have a gay brother and am insanely sensitive to the use of the word “faggot”. Good on Rogan for recognizing a fuck up and apologizing for it.
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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 23, 2010 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
It was mostly funny because you didn’t seem to realize that some of us write grounded in conversations with the athletes and people who run the sport and some of us write nothing but opinion pieces. But because of the presentation, you can’t tell which is which. It slays me.
by Jonathan Snowden on Nov 23, 2010 8:49 AM EST up reply actions
For example
me, I avoid talking to anyone with inside knowledge like the plague. I’m trying to remain a naive fan.
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 23, 2010 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
In any event, I found the book where Rios learned his the names for kicking techniques;

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by Urijah Bieber on Nov 23, 2010 12:47 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Rogan acting calling people f*ggot and acting like a 13 year old… no wonder why this sport will never be taken seriously.
So a plague upon both houses?
Goddammit MMA, this is why we can’t have nice things. :(
Then looks at pro wrestling Aww dammit, not you too…
I love you Joe. So f’ing much.
And seriously, people need to go see a Nick Swardson show or something. That dude is definitely homosexual and throws around the words gay and fag with the same context. If you’re a bigot, people will know you’re a bigot, and anyone who knows Joe Rogan knows he isn’t.
I realize i'm like 500 comments too late to the party for anyone to read this BUT
this is a silly headline. If you want to be accurate at all, give us something like “rogan rants/degrades writer, uses homophobic slur, gets him fired.” His homophobic slur/rant didn’t end in Rios getting canned, him throwing his weight around within the industry did. The fact that his rant included a slur is many things: ignorant, unfortunate, nothing to make of, etc.etc. whatever. Again, it was NOT the rant that fired Rios, it was Rogan pulling in a favor.
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by Cory Braiterman on Nov 23, 2010 1:21 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Why in the hell would someone refer to Rogan dropping that one word
as a “rant”?
That fix was VERY called for.
CPG
is this rant about the faggot word from BE members who are getting offended by it .
or in fact there are actual gay members here who are offended.
i think we are just making a smoke without a fire and actual gays will don’t give a damn .
they are who they are.
just like N word used mostly by black people.
I dont have many male gay friends, only lesbian friends
But I have a lot of friends who are racial minorities, and I know that especially in high school me and the guys on the wrestling team used to give eachother shit about our races all the time, because we knew we weren’t actually racist. Whenever something went missing I’d rag on my black practice partner, jokingly saying he stole it – whenever I bumped into something or tripped or fell at practice, he’d tell my Irish ass to have another drink.
I know with my lesbian friends I joke about AIDs and with my Jewish friends I joke about being frugal. In return, I get shit for my Irish ancestry and jokingly alleged “incestual” Alabama roots.
I guess my point is this: understanding these words are just words and becoming more comfortable with ourselves and not allowing others to dictate how we view ourselves is a sign of strength and solidarity. We allow ourselves to make silly stereotypical jokes because we know they are, in reality, totally absurd, and thats truly what makes them funny.
But idk, maybe I’m actually a secret (even to myself) homophobic racist masochist.
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Its different when you are talking directly to friends
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It doesnt matter.
I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand
But I won’t pick against Jon Jones again until I see him lose. - Kwisatz Haderach
*sigh*
I guess I have to further break it down.
Have you ever seen the show “Modern Family?” Gays are almost always, and particularly in that show, portrayed to fit all the stereotypes they get pegged for – and theyre totally absurd. However, GLAAD isn’t going up the walls about Modern Family and shows like it because we as a society are coming to a point where we know better. Jewish people can watch South Park, conservatives can watch The Colbert Report, and liberals can watch… shows that make fun of liberals. And they can all do it and laugh because we know its absurd.
Words are just noises that its up to you to attach meaning to. People can only hurt you with words as much as you allow them to. By wigging the hell out when someone says “f****t” we just keep the cycle in motion. Its like hiding in your house when a terrorist attacks. Its the opposite of how you should react. Shake it off, move along. Roll with the punches if the suspect had malicious intent with the word, and if they didn’t, laugh with them and be the better man for it.
Moisture is the essence of wetness.
by troy145 on Nov 23, 2010 1:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
oh lord
the point is Joe Rogan is a public figure who represents the sport. It’s not how a mainstream sport represents itself.
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But not everyone can take it like that – that is the world we live in. I personally am indifferent to these words – but others are affected. Its not hard not to use this words.
I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand
But I won’t pick against Jon Jones again until I see him lose. - Kwisatz Haderach
The World shouldn't bow to extreme minorities who can't cope with realities
Legitimate hatred towards gays shouldn’t be tolerated, but damn dude, would anyone freak out if someone found out Joe Rogan said “Jesus Christ” in vain? Should Ricky Garvais be blackballed from network TV for openly mocking Christianity?
We give certain subsects of society special protected status and ignore others. I’m simply saying that if we’re really going to strive for equality, then lets give equal treatment. Either demand sensitivity to all or none. THAT is equality. Gays aren’t weak. They aren’t stupid. They’re not less capable than you of handling a mean word.
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dude
gay people are busy fighting for their lives right now. Christians are not banned from openly serving their country, been about 1600 years since they were fed to lions.
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Come on dude
If youre talking globally, which it appears you are, Christians were targeted in Iraq bombings within the last week. For that matter, so were Jews, Muslims, and others. Everyone has their shit to handle.
This isn’t pain olympics. This isn’t “who has it worst.” Every individual has their own cross to carry, and honestly gays in the US really don’t have it near as bad as people would love to have you believe. Its just media sensationalism, and a shit ton of gays would tell you the same. Yes, shit happens. No, gays aren’t “busy fighting for their lives” as if their day to day is filled with replacing dirty bandages and thumbing new rounds in to the side arm so you can mount up in your SUV with your German Shepherd and scrounge for food while avoiding “the others.”
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by troy145 on Nov 23, 2010 1:54 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Um...
There are nations in Africa putting gays to death by law.
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It seems a little like you are comparing homosexuality to a religion which is just wrong, but your sig is the best thing on this site, so I’ll let it slide.
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Wait, I’m his sig?
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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 23, 2010 1:51 AM EST up reply actions
He said "best."
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by Richard Wade on Nov 23, 2010 3:07 AM EST up reply actions
Extreme minorities? Really? These are people. A really large segment of society.
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Did I say they weren't people?
please quote that before you accuse me of denigrating a group of people to sub-human status.
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“Extreme minority” had more than a twinge of that to me. If I took it wrong, my bad. But the comparisons were pretty out of line.
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No offense, but I don’t really care what you asked for. Comparing a persons sexual preference to a religion and going on about the subsets of society goes against the very point you’re trying to make. Instead of trying to treat all these segments of society with the same broad hand…how about you stop classifying them with terms like “extreme minority”?
Your point might be solid, but it’s clouded in rhetoric.
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From Websters:
-noun
3.
a group differing, esp. in race, religion, or ethnic background, from the majority of a population: legislation aimed at providing equal rights for minorities.
I’m sorry if that offends you.
Moisture is the essence of wetness.
I never said I was offended. Only that you’re phrasing your statements badly. Definitions don’t help your case.
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Gays are a minority in America
Its a statistical fact. If you think that that has some negative connotation, than I think you have more things to work out than I do.
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LOL
Connotation is more important than definition sometimes, son. I’ll let you continue to argue in the fog, I’m gonna go watch The Fight Network.
http://www.instrength.com
Fight Network doesn't get brought up enough.
Lots of awesome people that work there, very passionate about the sport and great fans. Glad to see they are getting your support.
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what is this
Fight Network?
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It’s a Canadian TV network dedicated to…well, fighting. Unfortunately they slashed their budget and staff and don’t show live events anymore, but it shows all sorts of MMA – Best of Deep, Best of TKO, Best of SportFight, etc. Along with a ton of old K-1, Dream, and smaller promotion’s cards. Right now, Quick Hits is on…they’re talking about WWE, and discussing UFC 123. It’s awesome.
http://www.instrength.com
I never thought Canadians would have superior television than me. America has saddened me today.
Its safe to say that without Playboy we wouldn't have MMA as we know it today. - Jonathan Snowden
Now they’re showing Ariel’s interview with Tyson Griffin about how he won the fight.
Yeah, I’m really surprised it hasn’t been picked up in the states. It would definitely have an audience.
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I didn't see the Griffin Lentz fight
worth the watch?
Its safe to say that without Playboy we wouldn't have MMA as we know it today. - Jonathan Snowden
Yeah
I think they got the decision wrong, personally. It was the best Nik Lentz fight so far in terms of action. And coincidentally, it led to this ENTIRE discussion.
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Personally I thought it was a close fight.
Round 1 could have gone either way, but I gave it to Griffin. Lentz took Round 2 clearly and Griffin ran away with Round 3. I’m not too pissed about Lentz getting the nod.
Yeah
I’m thinking this guy is dedicated to being “right” here to the point of fault. Reason is not his strong suit.
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can anyone show me in quotes how I said anything remotely antihomosexual? Or are you jsut going tocontinue to make empty accusations and digs at my intelligence?
Moisture is the essence of wetness.
You have an innate ability to argue - that shows a degree of intelligence
However, many people here have tried to reason with you. And you obstinately ignore any points they make. Its both frustrating and sad where many other good conversations were running.
Its safe to say that without Playboy we wouldn't have MMA as we know it today. - Jonathan Snowden
I say this half-joking but...
I do find it amusing that someone with a Jonathon Snowden signature is passing judgment on my intelligence ;)
Moisture is the essence of wetness.
Snowden has written some very good pieces
and does very well in all the interviews i’ve read here. I find this particular quote amusing, but aside from some of the articles where he seems to be trying to start arguments I respect him as a commentator on the sport.
Its safe to say that without Playboy we wouldn't have MMA as we know it today. - Jonathan Snowden
They’re not less capable than you of handling a mean word
If that was true – Faggot would have been fine.
I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand
But I won’t pick against Jon Jones again until I see him lose. - Kwisatz Haderach
So Gays are less capable of handling verbal assault than you? Is that really what you want to say?
Moisture is the essence of wetness.
If you’re going to debate the powerlessness of words please refer to Sheeples posts above. It’s already been discussed. You’re wrong
Its safe to say that without Playboy we wouldn't have MMA as we know it today. - Jonathan Snowden
I’m trying to have a discussion. Apparently youre set on what you believe and aren’t willing to talk to me before considering my position, so next time you feel that way, ignore the “post” button and save everyone a tap of the “z” button on their keyboard.
Moisture is the essence of wetness.
I apoloigize
I was dismissive, because I have already been in this conversation once tonite. My point was that words are far more powerful than simple sounds. Everything in the comment section here, lends itself to my case. People get offended by them, victims of prejudice feel fear because of them. Its a fact of modern society.
Its safe to say that without Playboy we wouldn't have MMA as we know it today. - Jonathan Snowden
I never said people don't take offense to words
My point is that that its not the “speakers” fault. Letting people get under your skin is your prerogative, no one else’s.
Free speech is contingent on this fact. If words has objective, tangible results, than certain kinds of speech would have to be outlawed.
Moisture is the essence of wetness.
As an ambassador of the sport, it is Rogan’s responsibility to represent it well.
Free speech does not clear have of that responsibility. Nor does it clear anyone of the consequences of the things they say.
Its safe to say that without Playboy we wouldn't have MMA as we know it today. - Jonathan Snowden
I understand from a perspective of this one incidence
But by taking your position, youre setting a precedent:
Words objectively hurt people. People are defenseless to the onslaught of certain verbage.
That is an extremely dangerous precedent that could be used to justify a philosophy that allows for legislation that destroy’s people’s right to say whatever they want, no matter how disgusting it might sound to you.
Moisture is the essence of wetness.
No
No one is suggesting that Rogan broke any law. What he did was in very poor form. And he has a responsibility to hold himself to a certain standard considering his position.
Its safe to say that without Playboy we wouldn't have MMA as we know it today. - Jonathan Snowden
I'm not talking about Rogan anymore
Let me make sure I understand what youre saying. Theres a thing called “Rogerian Argument” where one person restates the opponent’s position so that both parties are sure they understand where the other is coming from.
As I understand it, you are saying, basically:
Words have a real effect that people are, more or less, powerless to shaking off or ignoring; and that these effects can manifest themselves in tangibly detrimental ways.
I’m not trying to be a dick, so please help me understand if thats what youre saying.
Moisture is the essence of wetness.
I am talking about Rogan and this particular situation
Where the the UFC and MMA are in a state of being a niche sport. We all know the goal is to break into the mainstream. Situations like this – where one of the most recognizable faces of the most recognizable promotion – is saying insensitive and immature things does not contribute to that goal.
Its safe to say that without Playboy we wouldn't have MMA as we know it today. - Jonathan Snowden
I dont disagree with you about that
But am I wrong in believing that the thing I posted is something you’d agree with? It seemed to me to be the point you were earlier trying to make when you said:
If you’re going to debate the powerlessness of words please refer to Sheeples posts above. It’s already been discussed. You’re wrong
That didn’t seem relevant to Rogan, to me. But I may have just not picked up correctly. Cus now I’m less interested in the Rogan-drama and more interested in the “philsophical(?)” dilemma. Ya know?
Moisture is the essence of wetness.
This quote from stanlee pretty much sums up my view here.
I was at a lecture once where a freshman baptist college divinity student objected to a black professor’s calls for political correctness since words don’t really have power.
He looked her straight in the eye and said "So it’d be ok if I called you a stupid white bitch then?"
Its safe to say that without Playboy we wouldn't have MMA as we know it today. - Jonathan Snowden
Idk
I guess my point is that calling her a stupid white bitch would just make him look stupid. It doesn’t mean she is one. Should she go home and cry in her pillow?
Moisture is the essence of wetness.
Most likely she was shocked and offended as I’m sure you would be if someone was publicly insulting you to your face.
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If youre so ignorant as to call me a slur based on my race/orientation/religioin, than no, I will not be offended by what you call me.
If an objectively stupid person called you dumb, you wouldn’t sweat it. When the pot calls the kettle black, the kettle shouldn’t give a shit.
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sorry, im coming in late here
if youre so ignorant as to call me a slur based on my race/orientation/religioin, than no, I will not be offended by what you call me.
Isn’t that what Rogan did though? Kind of like if he called someone a Jew for being cheap? The person doesn’t need to feel hurt, but the guy saying it is certainly a jackass.
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by chasethegoose on Nov 23, 2010 3:25 AM EST up reply actions
when he uses the term
as the ultimate insult and signifier that someone is not a “man” — especially in front of a raging mob the UG — it’s creating an atmosphere very friendly to gay bashing. Read the comments at the UG, count the number of homophobic slurs, think about who’s writing that — really dumb mma fans — and imagine how many of them have actually committed hate crimes against gays.
If they’re anything like the assholes I went to high school with most of them have beat up some body at some point for being gay.
They’re on there talking about finding Rios’ home address at one point. That shit creeps me out and Rogan is someone they see as a leader. His clever rationalilzations for why it’s ok to use those terms are just as much bullshit as when neo-nazis go on sherdog and explain how “white pride” is just fine, etc etc
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 23, 2010 1:44 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
the UG is not something that will make it to the mainstream
the way people behave on the UG is fine for a secret all-male society but doesn’t port well into the big wide world we’re trying to play in now.
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 23, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
500 posts and the POINT is ....
Only a Fa***t (weak and pathetic) get offended by what joe rogan said and make a big deal out of it.
and you're gone
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 23, 2010 1:35 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I was gonna post this on your last ban, but saw this one right when it popped up
The reason I started coming to BE everyday was the intelligent conversation in the comments. I disagree with some and agree with others, but for the most part it is pretty civil discussion. Prior to this I went to MMAJUNKIE and it was terrible. If this is what it takes to have a decent discussion of fighters and MMA, I approve. Nice work, Nate.
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But he used asterisks and the less offensive definition!
/being an idiot
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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 23, 2010 1:39 AM EST up reply actions
Internet Rule #456
Semantics always leads to shitstorms.
It’s nice that there’s some good discussion going on in this comment section though.
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There are 17 new genres of internet porn being invented every 30 seconds.
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Links or GTFO
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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 23, 2010 1:46 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Isn't that what you have Fightlinker for?
When a ball goes into a net, it only means something because we decide it means something. When somebody punches somebody in the face it always means something.
by lowellthehammer on Nov 23, 2010 1:47 AM EST up reply actions
We actually got rid of our nudie threads :-( Sad day, but this way Ryan doesn’t have to eat catfood.
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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 23, 2010 1:49 AM EST up reply actions
It's called /d/
You know, on the days when that actually means new genres and not dickgirls.
:-)
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Rogan Dominates.....
That “apology” was money. Rios is flat out terrible and always has been.
Here's the thing, that I don't see anyone else getting.
Its all about intent. If a prominant homosexual figure in the media came out on twitter and called Joe an “f” word with a smile he would probably be met with a lot of “YES!” and “LOL REC”s. There are no magic words, there is nothing special. There are just chemicals and electric signals in our brains. For some people they react to that stimuli (that of an F word) with negative connotations, to others they connect it with a childish insult.
The great thing? We can choose to be offended or not. Let the people who should feel offended get ‘hurt.’
Just please, dear god, don’t call Gloria Alred.
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by BloodbathAndBeyond on Nov 23, 2010 3:55 AM EST up reply actions
Funniest thing in the thread, from a random person
The cream most always rises to the top in most industries and MMA journalism is no different
LULZ (checks on WKR/Fightlinker accounts)
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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 23, 2010 1:48 AM EST reply actions
It's kinda like how capitalism is SUPPOSED to bring out the best in business
And maximize freedom for business owners…
… until you realize that many business owners would be happy to prey on other (business owners) and monopolize to the extent that they can get away with it.
This is good publicity for Rios.
And you gotta imagine he’s reading up on this as we speak right?
You there Tomas Rios?
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by Urijah Bieber on Nov 23, 2010 2:01 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Maybe on the surface it's good publicity for Rios.
At first some people might be all like “oooohh noooo poor Tomas being bullied and called names by that evil Zuffa man Joe Rogan! Time to stand against the man!!” and then you read about what went down and you’re like “oh wait, Rios actually was being a complete douche and while Rogan may have gone overboard with his choice of words, he was coming from the right place.”
Look at how busy this thread is though.
He’s absolutely going to draw traffic where ever he goes.
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by Urijah Bieber on Nov 23, 2010 3:16 AM EST up reply actions
Joe Rogan on gay people/homophobia/the word f*ggot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkfAV-51Jts
by DRose87 on Nov 23, 2010 2:19 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
I may not support Rogan's choice of words,
But I sure as hell support the spirit behind them. Rios was being an idiot. It’s not some kind of symbol of MMA not being ready for prime time, it’s just a result of a brutally honest and outspoken guy having a position as a commentator in the number one org. He’s not a corporate suit kind of guy, and I’m happy about that.
Starts from a petty argument… check.
100’s of silly name calling… check.
homophobic slurs… check.
basically everything blown out of proportion… check.
Hmm.. yes, we are in the internet.
by Anton Tabuena on Nov 23, 2010 2:30 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
Why is this news?
Sweet more ‘homophobic’ misnomers. The gay card is the new race card.
Snore
well joe rogan just got a journalist fired
for criticizing his commentary… we’ve posted about FAR more useless stuff here. haha.
by Anton Tabuena on Nov 23, 2010 2:34 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But did the South reply with homophobic slurs?
If they did, then they should apologize.
Suddenly, the “War _” template seems shortsighted.
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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 23, 2010 2:57 AM EST up reply actions
WAR PEACE!
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by vivero on Nov 23, 2010 3:02 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The headline should be changed to something that reflects what actually went down, something like:
Tomas Rios’ misinformed rantings directed at Rogan get refuted, Rogan gets carried away in anger
But Nega Snowden doesn’t write for BE.
I'm late to this party
FUCK Tomas Rio. He is a terrible, terrible, TERRIBLE “journalist.” I hate everything about him and I’m not just saying that because I like Rogan.
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by crazybones on Nov 23, 2010 2:43 AM EST reply actions 1 recs

Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
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by Geno Mrosko on Nov 23, 2010 2:45 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
What kind of person says "pantheon level cluelessness" anyways?
For Rios to try so hard to make Rogan look bad and be completely flat out wrong is just funny.
by Rob Young on Nov 23, 2010 2:51 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Good boy Joey
Like Joe I use the word all the time but almost never to describe gay people. Its just a great word to dismiss someone with but it also sounds funny.Good for him for not cowering to PC cry babies.
wow
I’m going to break the rules here and call you an ignorant dumbass.
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 23, 2010 10:16 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
You know...
Where I’m from it’s actually more offensive to be called a dumbass then the f word. But I’m form the south and we’re…uh…southern.
No words offends me. None.
As long as someone uses proper grammar, I don’t give a shit what words he uses. Bad grammar — now that’s offensive. But there’s absolutely nothing anyone can call me or anyone I care about which will offend me or make me angry unless those words announce that a corresponding action is imminent i.e. someone is making a threat. Other than that, who cares?
How did America become such a weakling society? Scared of everything, offended by everything. The thought police are everywhere. It’s really sad.
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tahnk gudnis ur nt affended
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by loboplata on Nov 23, 2010 3:02 AM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Ok, see, THIS I can rally behind. None of that “deep” or “relevant” shit everyone else loves. Good ol’ fashioned shit talking. Rec’d.
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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 23, 2010 3:04 AM EST up reply actions
Be fucking considerate.
There are billions of human beings in this world and don’t expect everyone to value the same thing. I love being naked but since I understand not all wants to see that – I won’t do it in public. You are fucking part of society and love or hate it – you gotta respect its members. How hard is it not to say faggot, nigga or whatever? Do you really have to? Some groups have a long bad history on these words and get fucking affected by it. We can’t relate to it because we simply can’ t – experience is a whole different motherfucker when it comes to life.
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by vivero on Nov 23, 2010 3:13 AM EST reply actions 6 recs
Couldn't agree more. People need to grow up.
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by chasethegoose on Nov 23, 2010 3:16 AM EST up reply actions
This amounts to "wah wah wah" with elaborations
Get over it.
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by IKilled007 on Nov 23, 2010 3:23 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
unbelievable. high five!
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by vivero on Nov 23, 2010 3:26 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs

"You stick a microphone in a guy's face and he calls out anybody but the champion, and Joe Silva should fax him a pink slip right then." -- Chael Sonnen.
by IKilled007 on Nov 23, 2010 3:35 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
except its illegal to be naked in public.
But if you come to my house, we can do both things indoors.
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by BloodbathAndBeyond on Nov 23, 2010 3:49 AM EST up reply actions
This is my favorite bit on the word faggot (Louis CK):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-55wC5dEnc
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THIS IS A BIG DEAL
I don’t fault BE for posting this. I fault all us dumbasses for breaking it down more than the last 3 WEC cards combined : /
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by BloodbathAndBeyond on Nov 23, 2010 3:49 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
us dumbass commentators*
I am of course included in this group :D someday i hope to be your king.
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by BloodbathAndBeyond on Nov 23, 2010 3:50 AM EST up reply actions
White Males
"You stick a microphone in a guy's face and he calls out anybody but the champion, and Joe Silva should fax him a pink slip right then." -- Chael Sonnen.
Hmm
I wonder if Rogan catches the irony in the fact that he apparently doesn’t understand how anyone could be angered or offended by what he said in reply to comments by Rios that angered and offended him?
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by BloodbathAndBeyond on Nov 23, 2010 3:57 AM EST up reply actions
I have no idea if you're being sarcastic, so
The answer is no.
Watch this Rogan video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkfAV-51Jts
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by Geno Mrosko on Nov 23, 2010 4:01 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
Sticks and stones
The irony of course is that elected officials in this country campaign on and advocate legislation for the the denial of civil rights of gay people, blatant discrimination disguised as “politics”, but Joe Rogan, a vocal supporter of gay civil rights, can be accused of homophobia for using a word on an internet message board. John McCain got something like the 3rd most amount of votes ever for President of the United States, and he would deny gays and lesbians the right to openly serve in the military or marry. But lest he should call anyone an incendiary name, then there’d be a problem. I’m not accusing anyone at BE or in this thread of being this way, btw, but pointing out the big picture irony in this country where it is leaps and bounds more offensive to call someone a name than it is to politely call for the denial of LGBT civil rights.
by MMAmadman on Nov 23, 2010 4:12 AM EST reply actions 6 recs
That subject's a tad bit further out than this site is supposed to be about
Just see Lesnar trash-talking Canadian health care.
Why the hell does this have 862 comments?
863 now, I guess.
So Joe Rogan called him an inconsiderate Harley rider?

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by Ominous on Nov 23, 2010 5:06 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Man, I leave BE to watch some horrible zombie flicks (yes, that includes “Zombie Strippers”), and I come back to this?
Rios is a PIA. You’ll get no argument from me on that one. But calling him homophobic slurs is just doing Rios a favor. You see, he thinks everyone is a racist bigot homophobe. And by pointing to something Rios said and calling him a (enter homophobic slur here), you’re just giving Rios more ammo to work with. If you want to disagree with Rios, fine. Just do so in an intelligent and polite manner. That will get under his skin more than any name you can call him.
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Rogan's apology proves his homophobia
notice how he says "replace the word “fagg*t” with “c*cksucker” … and no, “c*cksucker” is almost never used as an insult to a woman.
basically he apologized for using a slur, but then follows it up with another “insult” that implies there is something wrong with being a “c*cksucker.”
you don’t have to be wishing harm in order to be harmful. joe rogan may or may not wish ill-will on homosexuals …but clearly he doesn’t like them and when he tries to describe someone he doesn’t like, he keeps thinking of things associated with homosexuals.
for the record i am not homosexual, and have used my fair share of various slurs in my life (although rarely in public), but then again I am not a public figure …and furthermore, I think Rogan’s apology adds insult to injury. he should either stand by his original statement like someone who has a pair, or he should craft a classier apology …not this half-baked nonsense.
It’s more to do with masculinity/power than homosexuality. But all three of these things are kind of tied together. Rogan, I think, is like your 70 year old grandpa who calls black people negroes or whatever. He doesn’t mean any harm (except to Rios) but it’s not appropriate language, and yeah there is some prejudice there, however benign it may be.
Also, it’s very telling that you feel the need to qualify your heterosexuality.
"Do you find him to be, perhaps, sexier than the average human being?"
"I'm not gay, but..."
- Ariel Helwani and fan discussing Yoshihiro Akiyama
really? what does it tell you? that i have a bit of homophobia myself? i think it’s fairly pervasive particularly in combat culture … most males grew up not wanting to be a sissy or pansy … and those words got replaced with “fagg*t” and fairy as we grew older. yes there is a perceived inverse relationship between masculinity and homosexuality.
i don’t find Rogan’s apology benign however … to me his apology reveals more than his original slur … he’s an insincere jackass.
Well he HAS to apologize publically. He’s one of the UFC’s most recognizable faces/personalities. I don’t think he’d apologize to Rios if he had a choice, and he shouldn’t. Rios is a dick and a bad journalist, if you can even call him that.
And yeah, it does make me think you are at least squeamish about homosexuality. It’s a normal thing for most males, though. I’m not trying to call you out or say you’re a bad person, but it’s one of those behaviors you have to be careful of.
The reason for homophobia is that homosexuality = emasculation. So that’s what society needs to get over. It’s like you said about guys not wanting to be a sissy or a pansy – the taboo with homosexuality is emasculation, not having sex with men.
"Do you find him to be, perhaps, sexier than the average human being?"
"I'm not gay, but..."
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He better hope no one contacts TMZ or GLAAD or someone and this gets bigger
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by S.C. Michaelson on Nov 23, 2010 8:08 AM EST up reply actions
Note to Luke and Kid Nate
I don’t watch or listen to all your live shows, but I saw one where you claimed to be drinking and were using pretty crude language (including Luke talking about how he “met this homosexual” – referring to Nate). Just play it safe, especially if you’re looking to increase mainstream popularity.
by YaleJD on Nov 23, 2010 6:19 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
There is a difference between joking among friends and ranting and insulting someone you've never met
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by S.C. Michaelson on Nov 23, 2010 7:08 AM EST up reply actions
joking among friends =\= throwing it out on BE’s first live chat or whatever that was… I’ve pointed it out, Nate said he didn’t even think twice about it probably because him and Luke were drunk.
dichotomies.
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by Austin Martin on Nov 23, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah
the rules apply to us too. But there is a big difference between joking between friends and using a slur to celebrate getting someone fired.
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 23, 2010 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
I’m just here to see this thread bump over 1k comments now.
by Benicio on Nov 23, 2010 6:31 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
rogans 'apology' makes it worse, imo.
‘hurr i don’t hate those pathetic and weak faggots and to prove it i’ma call them cocksuckers from now on’
get fucked.
Go big red!
by pornflake on Nov 23, 2010 7:02 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Are you guys serious, or do you just dislike Rogan?
I didn’t know BE was followed so heavily by the PC Police. Anyone who says that was a seriously homophobic statement by Rogan either dislikes him in general, is deflecting attention from the original controversy (Rios), or is way too uptight.
I do admit he should have used a different word, I personally don’t use that word. But unless he was making fun of an actual gay person, I don’t see the need label this as gay bashing. And if you’ve read or heard Rios talk you would know he is definitely not above making fun of others for comedic purposes.
Rios made an aggressive and ignorant remark and got called on the carpet by Rogan. That’s it. The rest of this debate is just silly, unless of course you have nothing better to do than feign outrage over non issues.
getting someone fired
for their opinion is bullshit.
capping that off by using a homophobic slur in a very very homophobic environment like the UG is just weak ass bullshit.
I’m a huge Joe Rogan fan. I even liked Fear Factor.
But I liked Kramer and Seinfeld too and I’m not going to excuse Michael Richards’ behavior.
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 23, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I keep wondering if the concern by BE staff has more to do with the slur/inappropriate speech, or with concern over someone like Rogan being able to affect such harsh recourse on a journalist.
And I’m not passing judgement either way.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Nov 23, 2010 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
I’m interested in hearing fro other BE staff as well. Your take is pretty clear.
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I figured this discussion would be like this on BE
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by S.C. Michaelson on Nov 23, 2010 7:08 AM EST reply actions
There are quite a few insightful and educated posts here though. Check a lot of the green comments and the discussions that surround them.
You're right. This one was good
Wow
All of this over a twitter comment about the proper terminology for a kick. Truly embarassing for all parties involved. Check your ego’s at the door. This is just sad.
and this one
This is fucking pathetic.
So he says the slur he used to describe a group of people is synonymous with "weak and pathetic" and then tries to make things better by changing the word to "cock-sucker", another word which only carries power because of it’s homophobic undertones? This is the opposite of an apology, and sent me from disappointed in his word choice to legitimately pissed.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Nov 23, 2010 7:17 AM EST up reply actions
Hey, I have something to write about now
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by S.C. Michaelson on Nov 23, 2010 8:10 AM EST up reply actions
pc police? fine, count me in
i’d guess most of the people who act like it’s no big deal don’t know what discrimination is like …
i’ll tell you what, as an asian-american male, it pisses me off everytime i hear a ching-chong-chang joke. i actually start seeing red and momentarily contemplate violence. am i wound up too tight? perhaps, but a lifetime of having to deal with that bull%^T will do that.
black people have gotten vocal enough where white comedians tread carefully … and fuzzy zoeller got in some hot water over his fried chicken and watermelon jokes.
believe it or not, it is NOT cool or fun to be the object of ridicule and denigration by the majority.
by sunzlight on Nov 23, 2010 7:11 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
No. Zoeller didn't just make watermelon jokes.
He was not “joking” trying to make everyone laugh, he was making “good ’ol boy jokes”.
Black people don’t care (well a high percentage) is non-Blacks use “n*gga”. However, we do have the inate ability to tell how you are using the word and why you are using the word by your tone, inflection and other things. Problem is, most White people say “n*gga” just to get away with saying it in a “ooh, look at me, I’m saying n*gga” type way. I’m sure Asian people are the same way (I don’t know).
Your general point stands, many BE and UG readers (which skew exorbitantly White straight male) have a hard time understanding the “other side” and tend to “dismiss” complaints as “playing the card” or PC police.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Nov 23, 2010 8:18 AM EST up reply actions
Let me tell you about racism where I live.
I live in Sicily, and this has got to be the most racist region on the planet — which is hilarious considering that the Sicilians probably have the most mixed blood on the planet, having been conquered and occupied by just about every race at some point. Nevertheless, they call blacks “tootsuni” (I may be spelling it wrong — I’ve only heard it, never seen it written) which means, roughly, “charred wood.”
But the people who hate blacks the most on this island are the African blacks who moved here. These tend to be affluent, highly-educated people who speak several languages and have degrees in engineering and the sciences. They hate American blacks and say American blacks are largely responsible for the poor global opinion of blacks worldwide.
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Where I live
in Korea, my good Korean friends will tell me that they would never date a girl who has dated a white guy, because that probably means that they’ve done drugs and are “open minded” (ie. sluts/cheaters). I’d say easily that Koreans are far more racist than the vast majority of North Americans. It’s also weird though, because they never really call each other slurs based on sexuality, even though they are way less open to LGBT stuff than most of us are.
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by chasethegoose on Nov 23, 2010 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
I lost what respect I had for Joe Rogan and Dana White ages ago.
They have done a lot for the sport, but if it is ever to be as big as Dana claims it has the potential to be, characters like this will be a thing of the past. The sport will necessitate that fighters are actually bigger than promoters and announcers who market themselves as much as the fighters and the sport. For a sport to dominate globally as soccer does, everyone will have to be held to a much higher standard and accountable to the masses. Otherwise mma will continue to fumble about in mediocrity compared to the truly big time sports on a global scale.
That's what I've been saying about Dana.
Love the guy for what he’s contributed, but his character needs to go on the backburner if he wants the UFC to push more mainstream. He will be ever compared to Vince McMahon.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Nov 23, 2010 8:19 AM EST up reply actions
I apologize for my use of the word “fa*got.” I enjoy that word immensely…
I love that line. I also totally agree with his sentiments.
by Cunny on Nov 23, 2010 8:14 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Rogan needs to learn
that his opinion is his own, but he is representing a lot more than himself when he says something like this. Its a lot different saying something in your own house than posting it on the internet, while representing a multi-billion dollar company. It all comes down to discretion. He doesn’t have to apologize to Rios, but he should offer an actual apology for offending people regardless of his own politics. Your own politics go out the window the minute you become a face and voice of a company IMO.
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Never have liked Rios commentary and I agree completely with Rogan but damn man there are thousands of insults you can use, why use one that is considered hateful? Here is the thing with speech like this (and I didn’t go through all 1000 comments)it’s not about what you mean it’s about how other people view what you said. It’s not like it was a secret that this word was considered hateful or that there should be anyone surprised that stuff like this will get a bad reaction. When you use a word like that and cause controversy then you are not only hurting people you didn’t intend to hurt but you are also letting the person you were aiming at win. This discussion went from Rios being a dumb ass to Rogan being a dumb ass with the use on one word, don’t tell me that word doesn’t have power, just look at how quick everything changed with this.
Joe Rogan is a public personallity and more thna anyone else people in the public eye have to be aware of the things they say. On the plus side he gets to be rich and famous so actually paying a bit of attention to his own mouth shouldn’t be too much to ask.
With all the dumb ass 10th Planet JJ terminology Rogan spits out
I’m shocked that it was what he called the kick that Rios (sniveling little negative nancy that he is) took issue with
"Now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."
He went into overdrive with that 10th planet stuff that night.
Never heard him use it that much before, just mission control.
Rogan is very sexist.
I listen to/watch all of his podcasts. He has said quite a few times that women shouldn’t be in power and that having a dick is required to do so. Even his older comedy CD, “I’m Gonna Be Dead Someday,” comes off as pretty sexist. He always portrays women as weak and annoying. I’m not sure why since he says he witnessed his dad beat up his mom as a child. Then his dad left them, and his mom raised him on her own. He doesn’t even know his dad, so I think that’s where his anger comes from, along with his need to always be in an altered state.
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by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Nov 23, 2010 9:45 AM EST reply actions
Title of this article makes no sense.
How is Joe Rogans “Homophobic Slur” ending in Reporter’s Dismissal? Reporter’s get fired when Joe Rogan says “F**got”?
This reporter’s gotten himself fired for trolling. Maybe if the reporter apologised for trolling instead of doubling down, he wouldn’t have gotten fired.
And it’s despicable how Bloody Elbow are trying to label Joe Rogan homophobic for using the word Faggot. I’ve heard Joe say it hundreds of times before. What’s the problem in him using it now exactly?
It’s “despicable” how you think it’s fine that he’s used it hundred of times and think that it’s fine that he would “apologizing” by re-enforcing the REASON it is used as an anti-gay slur.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 23, 2010 9:57 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
lol, well I use it myself hundreds of times also, so not being okay with it would make me a hypocrite. And I’m not homophobic, nor is anything I’ve heard from Joe Rogan. The word Faggot isn’t homophobic because you say it is. Look ‘context’ up in the dictionary, it’s important. And it’s not as if Joe was speaking from the Lincoln Memorial, he’s posting on the frickin’ underground.
Did your “journalist”, try contacting Joe Rogan before, putting his name out there as a homophobe? Or are you guys just solely focused on drumming up controversy. PC douchebags like you, are the reason I appreciate Joe Rogan so much.
wow
namecalling is not allowed.
And the context of Joe Rogan’s remarks was slurring Rios in front of a howling mob of clearly homophobic yahoos. Rogan may not be homophobic but I fucking GUARANTEE you that there are guys at the UG (and here on BE) who have participated in fag bashing hate crimes.
Riling up scumbag idiots like that is worse than being one.
Millions of monsters picked up machetes in Rwanda but only a few dozen went on the airwaves and called for blood. Who’s worse? The ones who got hung are the ones who were on the radio.
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 23, 2010 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
wow?
“Riling up scumbag idiots like that is worse than being one”
Who are you talking about here? Joe Rogan? Me?
Then your talking about the Rwanda genocide?
Seriously, check your brain. You go from the word F**, to fag bashing hate crimes, to genocide in Rwanda in two sentences. You think your reasoning might be flawed?
Brent called me a “despicable”, I called him a “douchebag”. I get reprimanded, while he goes free. I’m feeling victimised… Nazi’ s… the holocaust. Your victimisation of me is comparable to the holocaust.
FOR SHAME!!!!
does that mean what i think it means?
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by Austin Martin on Nov 23, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Why are you banning the deceased greatest head coach of all time?
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by SSreporters on Nov 23, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not. I just thought he was doing a performance art piece.
by Jonathan Snowden on Nov 23, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Oh okay
Because if you ban him we might not know the secrets of the West Coast Offense he hasn’t told the public yet.
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by SSreporters on Nov 23, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
I am
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by Chris Barton on Nov 23, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
What's going on? Is this some sort of interactive theatre art piece?

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by Austin Martin on Nov 23, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t understand the “context” argument. The “context” is that a straight man should be ashamed of being compared to a gay man. Do you understand nothing about why that word is powerful and its use a slap in the face for a significant portion of the populace.
by Jonathan Snowden on Nov 23, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
and Rogan's "apology"
makes clear WHY you should be ashamed because you’re “weak and pathetic”
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 23, 2010 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
I like people that say what they think....
Here’s another example of MMA not quite being ready for primetime. Can you imagine John Madden or Joe Buck going on a popular sport’s message board, calling a Sports Illustrated reporter a “f**got” and then bragging about getting them fired?
Bragging about getting him fired was a little much, other than that I like the way Joe rolls. In our PC world I think people like Joe are a breath of fresh air. I like it that he posts on the underground and twitters heavily. “Primetime” guys like Joe Buck and Madden would never try to connect with their fans. They could give 2 sh*ts. Joe is a fan just like us, and we love him for it. This generation is tired of all the pretense in our society.
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I don't know what generation you're a part of
I like to think my generation is the one that doesn’t use homophobic slurs as a go to insult to someone who questions their ability to call a fight. Joe Rogan doesn’t connect with me at all besides the fact that he likes watching two guys fight each other.
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by chasethegoose on Nov 23, 2010 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
You'd like to think that
But you’d be totally wrong.
I’d like to think my generation didn’t have writers who would exploit the use of a word like that and fabricate outrage because a small group of people might be offended by such word, even if it wasn’t used in a context that should bother them at all.
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by Urijah Bieber on Nov 23, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
You need to google 'Fred Phelps'
This is a real example of a homophobic rants
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThUC1Q7rX4k
Food goes in here
As an aside...
How does everyone feel about about started this whole situation? I mean, separated from Rogan’s blowup.
Rios “called” Rogan on applying the wrong name to a kick and then got taken to task for it by Rogan and Schivaello. Rios then acts like a petulant child instead of admitting his mistake.
Nate’s thrown in his two cents and sides with Rogan, how does anyone else feel?
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by Applejack McNeil on Nov 23, 2010 9:49 AM EST reply actions
I simply don't care.
I am just enjoying the drama.
"You stick a microphone in a guy's face and he calls out anybody but the champion, and Joe Silva should fax him a pink slip right then." -- Chael Sonnen.
If you ever pick a fight with Rogan, you better damned well be ready, because he shows up with a big-ass machete and he’s going to swing it as hard as he can. He strikes me as one of those guys that is a really good friend, but the worst enemy you’ll ever have. I can only think of one or two entities that could dog him and get away with it.
He’s a comedian and an analyst for a niche sport. Let’s not get carried away
by Jonathan Snowden on Nov 23, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
Didn't Matt Hughes kinda dog him recently?
Was Hughes the entity that you were thinking of? I have a feeling that Rogan wouldn’t say anything or very little if any UFC fighter criticized him.
by Pantherhare on Nov 23, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
He’s actually pretty reserved about firing back. Shawn Tompkins has talked shit about Rogan in more than one interview and I haven’t heard a reply. I think he just has a low tolerance for guys like Tomas Rios and Carlos Mencia.
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His destruction of Mencia was LEGENDARY.
Tomas should be thankful that Rogan only went as far as he did.
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 23, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I was just thinking of Rios and Mencia. Rogan so thoroughly owns them it’s just kind of scary. The people I was thinking that could take him on were probably South Park, and maybe Dana White. I mean Rogan isn’t opposed to mild shots at Dana, but would never probably take him on full tilt. But I might’ve overstated it.
Every so often in his standup you see someone try and take him on and the guy just gets obliterated.
Words have power
that’s why people use derogatory ones on purpose; because they were designed to hurt. If Joe knew any more cutting expletives, he would have used them. I’ve used that word in a confrontation, because I was angry and wanted to put my fist through the guy’s head, but at no time before, during or after did I think it was right, or “okay” and that political correctness was to blame for a reaction to the word.
I knew the whole time that I was using that term, and others, to wound in a derogatory, human-debasing way. If I had done that in a public forum as the face of a public business, I would expect to be disciplined for it.
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Colin Cowherd is more annoying than the Progressive radio commercials.
Forget the use of f——t for a second, because no one’s going to agree on everything and we’ll all just stand on our soapboxes for a while.
But can we all agree that aside from that, Rogan pulled some hugely fucking douchebag moves?
LIke this:
Fighters Only is one of the very best magazines in the sport, and as per my correspondence with them I’m delighted that I’m not the only one that thinks he’s an a**hat and a terrible journalist.
That’s just lame. First of all he’s running his mouth in public about private correspondence, and instead of discrediting Rios on his own merits he’s pulling the equivalent of “Haha they don’t like you either!”. Pretty bush league.
Secondly, if Rios is such a third-rate, petty bullshit journalist (which he is), why exactly is Rogan pulling this huge gloating campaign about getting him sacked? Doesn’t that kind of bring him down to Rios’ level, which is ostensibly one he thinks is pretty low.
Really a single word has a different context for everybody, but it’s not that one word that makes him come across as a total asshole here.
Nah
it’s different than that. I think Rogan is just chatting with the guys he always chats with on the UG. There isn’t some “gloating campaign”. I think it’s more a symptom of how terrible Rios is that the vibe in that thread is what it is.
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by Chris Barton on Nov 23, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
This is killing me
Are you Vegasbatman? I have forgotten most of the usernames here when people become mods.
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by SSreporters on Nov 23, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
I'm...
I’m… I’m BATMAN!
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by Chris Barton on Nov 23, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
i have a question that for some reason i’ve had since you were vegasbatman… are you a Pellegrino fan or is it just a coincidence?
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by Austin Martin on Nov 23, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
It's a coincidence
that ended up making me a Pellegrino fan. I am a comic book nerd, if a fighter has a comic book name I am a fan. Batman is just my favorite.
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by Chris Barton on Nov 23, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Right but posting about private correspondence on a public forum as a way to take a cheapshot at Rios? It’s not really just “chatting” when it’s in public
I guess we disagree about forums. I’ve spent a lot of time on forums and as a result have become close friends with people on them. At a certain point, you know the people so you “talk” like it’s a casual conversation amongst friends. I think that’s how this situation played out. At least that’s how it seemed to me.
The UG guys are the ones who pointed it out to Rogan, so he let them in on what he did about it.
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by Chris Barton on Nov 23, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
There’s some truth to that. But if I were to write in another section of this, “I can’t believe that wankoff Chris Barton disagrees with me. THank god Brent Brookhouse and Kid Nate also told me they think he’s an asshole,” it would be kind of a dick move on my part (and in this case inaccruate). There’a reality that it is in public.
Sure, but I wouldn’t think that your post on here should count against you in some public way. I said before, Joe probably should have realized it was public and chilled out. But on the UG, Joe is not using his Public MMA face and I appreciate that.
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by Chris Barton on Nov 23, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
If Rogan didn't (wrongly) use the slur
There would be no problem here because he’s 100% correct about the move itself and Rios.
And Rios started it with a personal attack and questioning his knowledge of the sport by calling Rogan clueless and then having it backfire when two announcers openly called him out.
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I can't believe what babies people are
1000 comments for using fa**ot? Its really over Johnny, America is finished. China is coming to kick our ass and frankly with the over sensitive babies we seem to be producing we deserve every bit of it.
Ummm....
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by SSreporters on Nov 23, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Besides, about half of the comments here devolved into Ben Roethlisberger's rape case
And some other stuff.
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by SSreporters on Nov 23, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Where is the America where I can say "n*gger", "f*ggot", "c*nt", "s*ic", etc without getting in trouble?
Let’s go back in time. America is too sensitive now always being aware of the feelings of non straight White men. They call it becoming civilized, I’ll call it that damned PC world.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Nov 23, 2010 12:13 PM EST reply actions
are you suggesting all gay men are white, or that only white gay men get offended by this sort of thing?
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by Austin Martin on Nov 23, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
NEITHER
Please read.
Where is the America where I can say “n*gger”, “f*ggot”, “c*nt”, “s*ic”, etc without getting in trouble?
Let’s go back in time. America is too sensitive now always being aware of the feelings of non straight White men. They call it becoming civilized, I’ll call it that damned PC world.
This is me speaking from the viewpoint of most people in this thread in a mocking tone. I’d wager a high amount that the people who aren’t offended by the word “f*ggot” are straight white Christian males which is (on average) the most privileged class and the least sensitive to racial, religious and sexual orientation issues.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Nov 23, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
I laughed at your using the term privileged there…
by Empty Thoughts on Nov 23, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly...although
I don’t think that they’d necessarily be Christian. They’d more likely be progressive, white, males who want to appear open minded…These are the same types of people that do things to say they did it, instead of doing it for the experience. For example, “I want to go skydiving, just to say I did it”.
Great post on “Being Offended”
http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/05/28/101-being-offended/
Snowden can be a great writer
But I’ve never read anything I liked by Rios.
Never the less, they both look ridiculous with their fabricated outrage about this word.
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That doesn’t sound very descriptive of what I wrote here. Did you actually read the article above all these comments?
by Jonathan Snowden on Nov 23, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
There have been other writers more direct with fabricated outrage across the blogsphere than you
to be fair, I should have focused more on what has been seen as “sensationalism” in the title and in some of the article. If anything that is my beef with your post.
It seems to me you jumped on the chance to write a piece about a “HOMOPHOBIC SLUR/RANT OMG” simply because you could. Because it was there. Because it would get a lot of clicks. I personally don’t think you care that much about it based on the tone of your article.
Though as someone who is firmly submerged in the keyboard warrior culture, and not someone successful enough in that to have the opportunity to parlay that into a real job like the high end warriors like most of the writers and who work for these blogsites, who walk the line between warrior and journalist and commonly cross into both territories, it’s easy for me to say the “other f word” and fade away with no consequences. You probably couldn’t get away with that. Plus, technically this is your job, to write stuff that gets a lot of views.
It just seems like exploitation of the term to feign real concern about it when by in large, no one engaged in these threads really cares that much. Feels disingenuous to me.
If you, Bookhouse, SC, Rios or any 20 something Cage Fighting blogger told me that in private, on an off Saturday night when you were having beers with your close friends around a table of cards, you’d be offended by your brother in law or best bud calling you that word in jest, I’d call you a probable liar.
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by Urijah Bieber on Nov 23, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
You discovered/made this pic almost as soon as you posted
didn’t you?
didn’t you?
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by Urijah Bieber on Nov 23, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
For those that think Rogan apologized sincerely
Wow it fucking retarded he had to apologize for that. fuck this world is sooooooooooo pussy. Joe whatever you do dont pull out your nipple during the broadcast. They will send you to the guillotineUmm… that was a fake apology, kid.
Try to keep up.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Nov 23, 2010 3:47 PM EST reply actions
And yet...
He’ll get away scot-free on it.
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