Fabricio Werdum Wants to Fight Outside of Strikeforce Before Facing Fedor Emelianenko or Alistair Overeem
by Anton Tabuena on Nov 15, 2010 8:17 AM EST
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Fabricio Werdum had surgery on his arm shortly after his monumental upset over long time heavyweight kingpin, Fedor Emelianenko. Two months removed from that, and Werdum says he has fully recovered and plans to fight again very soon. That next fight may not be for Strikeforce though, as the #4 ranked heavyweight told Sherdog that he plans to have an overseas fight first:
"I used this trip to make a couple of good contacts in Abu Dhabi and Japan. Strikeforce want me to return in March against Fedor [Emelianenko] or [Alistair] Overeem, but I'm looking forward to having a fight before that one. I don’t have an exclusive contract with Strikeforce, only for the U.S., and I got a nice proposal in Abu Dhabi and another one in Japan... My arm is 100 percent now and I feel that by February, I'll be ready to fight in Abu Dhabi or Japan."
What has the several time jiujitsu world champ been up to during his time off? Well he has been touring the world teaching this new guard system that will make MMA fighters avoid getting punched in the face. More on that after the jump.
"Since I couldn't start training in the month after the surgery, I found that giving seminars was a great way to start my recovery little by little. I couldn’t make a better choice. My main concern during all those seminars was showing a new guard system for MMA that I developed. Today, most jiu-jitsu guys, while on the bottom, just close the guard and receive hard punishment. With the experience I've got in MMA plus the jiu-jitsu knowledge I've got from top guys like Sylvio Behring, Marcio Corleta, Mario Reis, Otavio 'Ratinho' [Couto] and Renato 'Babalu' [Sobral], I developed a new guard system that makes it really hard for someone on top to hit me."
"It's really impressive, I can tell you that I don’t take one single punch to my face using that system,"
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I think this will hinge on how Overeem does in the GP, if he fights NYE and how much time he takes off after + injuries etc.
Fedor should already be fighting Josh Barnett to determine the number 1 contender.
Food goes in here
Fedor has one fight left on his contract. How is he supposed to fight for a #1 contender spot when, right now, he only has one fight left?
by memitim on Nov 15, 2010 2:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Overeem vs. Werdum for the title as intended all along, then either Fedor vs. Barnett for top contender or simply put Fedor in the top contender spot if an extension or similar hasn’t been reached.
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by The American Ronin on Nov 15, 2010 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
ugh...
the dichotomy of exclusive v non exclusive contracts sucks. We get Coker who can not get a handle on his fighters. We get Dana who gets called a dictator & we have Bellator who locks up the only fighters in the stables that should be playing w/ the big boys. Askrin, Lombard. Alvarez. George is getting frustrated…….
The days as champ are done... but the juggernaut known as Brock Lesnar will return.
by HitokiriX on Nov 15, 2010 5:14 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
LOL
When was that and what idiotic comment/question was he asked?
"You stick a microphone in a guy's face and he calls out anybody but the champion, and Joe Silva should fax him a pink slip right then." -- Chael Sonnen.
thats when he was asked what was his response to paul pierce saying "we ain't coming back to LA"
The days as champ are done... but the juggernaut known as Brock Lesnar will return.
oh, it was back in june
The days as champ are done... but the juggernaut known as Brock Lesnar will return.
Urgh non exclusive contracts are wank
"How you expect to run with the wolves come night when you spend all day sparring with the puppies" - Omar Little
by The Omaplatapus on Nov 15, 2010 5:12 AM EST via mobile reply actions
except when they lock up stars in lesser orgs. that I want to see fighting in the UFC.
by F'n Clownshoes on Nov 15, 2010 5:14 AM EST up reply actions
LMFAO at all this...
…freaking Fabricio Werdum is putting Strikeforce/Showtime over a barrel now. First it was Overeem never wanting to fight in the US. Then it was Fedor’s crap. Now freaking Werdum of all people. Just hilarious.
by Daniel Humire on Nov 15, 2010 5:22 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
It doesnt stop with him…
A guy like Josh Thompson is now picking and ducking fights. He doesnt want to fight prospects only fights that “make sense”.
Milendez doesnt want to fight anyone in strikeforce.
Nick Diaz didnt want to fight Jay Heiron.
wtf? It becomes a pointless exercise when you have fighters picking and choosing their opponents..
this clusterfuck is astonishing… The funny thing is Bellator is trying to hang on by attempting to grab onto another dying venture.
by mmalogic on Nov 15, 2010 7:45 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Thomson’s choice to pick and choose is particularly harmful since it is retarding the progress of promising up and comers like Beerbohm and Evangelista. Those guys need to start fighting established opponents and Thomson is the most obvious candidate. Strikeforce is never going to be able to create new stars if the old ones refuse to fight the prospects.
by Steve4192 on Nov 15, 2010 8:14 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
this^
how can a fighter in a particular promotion look at the young bucks and decide, nah, not good enough for me. i have not seen enough of Beerbohm to say if it would be a competitve fight but, come on Josh. you are not good enough to make that statement and be taken seriously.
by F'n Clownshoes on Nov 15, 2010 8:24 AM EST up reply actions
this exactly… everyone is acting like mayweather. I wouldnt be surprised if Werdum announces a “retirement”. what a clusterfuck.
And coker is trying to put together a super 6 for the HW’s… lol.
I love Fabricio Mayweather
Food goes in here
by Pandanus on Nov 15, 2010 9:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah the super 6 is on the 3 year plan of ruining relevance. how does Barnett not have a frickin’ fight signed yet? does he need to cycle off or something? why doesn’t DelRosario not have one for that matter? Rodgers, Cormier, Conrad. Lavar anyone?
by F'n Clownshoes on Nov 15, 2010 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
This is also exactly why Frank Shamrock's vision is flawed...
…a fighter’s best interests are usually not in-line with a fan’s best interests. When you let the fighters have too much control over the match ups they will begin to duck the best challenges in an effort to preserve their record. This was one of the greatest flaws in the boxing business model that has not been addressed in years. Like it or not, it’s the promotion that usually has their interests in-line with a fan’s best interests and that is to see good fights. Fighter’s by nature, are interested more in self-preservation.
by Daniel Humire on Nov 15, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
It is not unlike
The way the UFC LHWs avoid Jon Jones like the plague…highly likely they’ll get not just beaten but destroyed by Jones…
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by The American Ronin on Nov 15, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
HEADLINE SHOULD READ...
FABRICO WERDUM WANTS TO get paid more money CAPITALISE ON HIS WIN OVER FEDOR BY NEGOTIATING A NEW CONTRACT WITH ANOTHER PROMOTION
and I don’t blame him either. b/c Overeem or a Fedor rematch would result in a loss.
by higgledy-piggledy on Nov 15, 2010 5:46 AM EST reply actions
Exactly
there is almost no chance he manages to pull one off against either Overeem or Fedor. Neither a fight from 5 years ago when Overeem was in the 220s nor his win over Fedor last tie give me any confidence he could beat them now…
Can’t say I blame Werdum, might as well make hay while the sun is shining in terms of his earning ability. Doing this also likely increases the amount M-1 will have to concede to get him back in with Fedor.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
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by The American Ronin on Nov 15, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
Make the Most
If the fighter he beat in his one big win can demand a TV deal and an even bigger contract, why wouldn’t he want more. Personally, I think its stupid that any of them are renegotiating, but if the loser demands the world, the winner better at least get his own private island.
Cashing in
I wonder if James Thompson or Jim York is available to help Werdum get a nice payday.
LOL Strikeforce
Poor Fedor. First he won’t fight and now he can’t get a fight.
"You stick a microphone in a guy's face and he calls out anybody but the champion, and Joe Silva should fax him a pink slip right then." -- Chael Sonnen.
I would guess this guard system isn't as new as he claims it is.
Maybe he’s finally discovered how to use overhooks and his knees to block their arms.
My guess is that it utilizes a knee shield somehow. Apparently Rickson has also been talking about a new MMA guard along those lines.
If it is that, as I said, not new in the slightest
Erik Paulson has been teaching that for years (and one of Werdum’s admitted influences, Renato Sobral, has been at Paulson’s gym for a significant length of time). I’m not saying Paulson invented it, just used and has been using it for ages as other coaches probably have for MMA.
Werdum's new guard leaked to the internetz few seconds ago...
You see? He cannot get hit in the face.
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by dancingChicken on Nov 15, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Finally
We’ll get to see the Werdum vs Mighty Mo fight we’ve all been clamoring for!
Get rid of the ramp!
by ihateemo on Nov 15, 2010 7:08 AM EST via mobile reply actions
"Mo will destroy Fedor", "Mo would clean out the UFC HW division"
Go Tyrone Spong go! Save us from this bullshit.
"Now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."
by menckenstein on Nov 15, 2010 8:05 AM EST up reply actions
Money talks.
Yuhknowuddamsayin’?
/Toney
"Now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."
by menckenstein on Nov 15, 2010 8:15 AM EST up reply actions
Werdum vs Sapp
You heard it here first
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by Brian Hemminger on Nov 15, 2010 8:18 AM EST reply actions
I'll take Sapp
via being too big to triangle
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by menckenstein on Nov 15, 2010 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
Werdum really is trying to milk it for as much as he can before he has to do a rematch and most likely lose..
Why all this "Lol Strikeforce" talk
Werdum didn’t say he was putting off his Strikeforce fight and he is doing the smart thing and looking out for himself.
They may not want to, but they don't have a choice.
I do think the open contract here is a messy thing, but nothing bad has happened and we shouldn’t be reacting as though it has.
Werdum taking a fight somewhere else is bad, because if he has a fight somewhere else, he doesn’t have a fight in strikeforce.
He never HAD to fight in Strikeforce. Do you really think Greener pastures have all of a sudden popped up all over the world. Werdum has repeatedly stated that he will be back. Assuming otherwise is asinine.
it doesn’t matter that he will eventually been back.
Strikeforce’s HW division has been on hold for 6 months waiting for him to recover from surgery. Him taking a fight somewhere else before strikeforce pushes that back even further, that isn’t good for them. You don’t have to worry about any of the negative outcomes that other people have mentioned, they are all waiting for him. This delays his return, which is bad.
Only if he turns down the March fight that Strikeforce wants.
He didn’t say that was going to happen.
Problem is, what if M-1drags things out a little more and that March fight turns into a May fight? Fabricio doesn’t have to wait around any more. He might take a March fight somewhere else and say to hell with waiting for Fedor.
Fabricio doesn’t have to wait around any more.
He never did. It isn’t as though he made an amendment to his contract. He is just exercising his right to fight elsewhere. There is nothing wrong with that and it is a smart play on his part.
I agree completely.
I have no problem with what Werdum is doing at all. But it does not bode well for Strikeforce. Up until now, he has been willing to work on their terms and willing to wait for them to offer him fights. With this move he has made it clear that if they aren’t going to make things happen, he will make them happen somewhere else. That is good for Werdum and a bad omen for Strikeforce.
It is basically the same thing that Overeem did when he told them he was tired of waiting and that he was going to spend the rest of the year concentrating on K-1. Strikeforce is not keeping these guys happy and they are starting to make plans outside of the promotion. I expect to see more guys taking this route as they grow more frustrated with Strikeforce’s ability to make fights happen.
It could also be merely a ploy in an attempt to force Strikeforce’s and M-1’s hand, with M-1 all too well aware that Werdum losing to anyone besides Fedor weakens Fedor’s negotiating position.
I think Overeem’s desire to fight K-1 when Strikeforce couldn’t put together the promised title fight (against the winner of the #1 contender match Werdum – Fedor) due to Werner’s injury is at least partly a result of K-1 being a far more prestigious title in his home country.
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-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
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by The American Ronin on Nov 15, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
You mean like the Reem defending his belt in Strikeforce once every 3-4 years?
by memitim on Nov 15, 2010 12:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Somewhat
Except there were long periods where Overeem was either not under contract with SF, dealing with injuries (to himself or his intended opponent), or when SF had no credible fighters for him.
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-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
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by The American Ronin on Nov 15, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
It’s kind of hard to defend your title when the promoter doesn’t offer you any fights, or for that matter, a contract. Overeem won the title in 2007 on the last fight of his contract. Strikeforce didn’t offer him a new contract until two years later.
It is a more than a little disingenuous to include those two years.
It would be disingenuous if he had shown any desire to fight here since the beginning of 2009. Now he is saying he won’t fight in Strikeforce till May of next year. After a while, enough is enough.
by memitim on Nov 15, 2010 3:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Its not up to him to pester Strikeforce to try to sign him/resign him/make matches involving him. He has plenty of other options, if SF doesn’t want to set up a fight, then so be it…
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Nov 15, 2010 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
You are assuming that the story ends here.
What happens when he takes this fight and then decides he likes working with that promoter and agrees to future fights? What happens the next time Strikeforce drags their feet booking him and he says fuck it and agrees to another fight with this mystery promoter?
You are kidding yourself if you don’t think this is a warning shot at Strikeforce. Werdum has basically told Strikeforce ‘give me what I want or I will pursue other opportunities’.
Finally
Man you read this stuff, and just have to shake your head…The bulk of these neh sayers still probably agree with Brock Lesnar being ranked where he is in the top ten! You cannot blame Fabricio for wanting to take a fight before March! People complain they dont see Fedor fight enough, and now Werdum wants a tune up fight after surgery, which gives the fans another look at an awesome fighter, and we are complaing about that as well. Werdum on New Years Eve in Dream, Bring it ON!
by newfiewaterboy on Nov 15, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
I hope Werdum takes a fight against a nobody and gets KTFO’d. It’d make this cluster fuck even…clustier?
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by ChiCubs23 on Nov 15, 2010 9:40 AM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Coker is driving Coker crazy...
…with all these beautiful lessons on how not to run a major promotion.
and this is why strikeforce is a joke..
lesnar was out for a fuking yr, comes back and his first fight is against 12-0 carwin. Shogun will be coming back from his 100th knee operation, and his first fight will be against rashad evans. Is he not the current “WAMMA” heavyweight champ? He shouldnt be looking for tune up fights.
or is there even such a thing as the wamma champ anymore?
by sittingbull on Nov 15, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
So much fail in these posts. Yes the Russians are a PITA but that is about the only thing people have right here. Coker has the right of first refusal in Overeems contract. That means if he had a fight for him he could not have done K1 this year. Fedor was in negotiations and Werdum was injured. He had just destroyed Rogers, Barnett wasn’t signed yet. All the people bitching about him not fighting would have bitched twice as loud if he had fought Big Foot or Arlovski
So Coker let him do K1 while Werdum healed and he worked on negotiations with Fedor. Being reasonable is one of the reasons why SF has some of the fighters they do.
Fancy Pants has been sidelined ever since he ran his mouth about wanting out of Strikeforce. What do we see last week. Fancy Pants admitting that he fucked up and it was his fault. He is fighting at the end of January and so is JZ. Seems likely they will be fighting each other. If he gets by JZ he will likely get a fight with Thompson. Keep in mind how much time Thompson spends hurt these days. Why would he want to burn a fight on a guy from the challengers cards when he is in line for another title shot?
MILK IT BABY!
Yeah, Werdum is milking his win for all it’s worth but deep down he probably doesn’t think a rematch would go the same way or that a fight wit Overreem would get him anything but a concussion. Probably way he’s trying to delay either for as long as possible.
Agreed - he is just trying
to maximize his earning potential over the next couple of years…smart business decision imo.
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-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Nov 15, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Are people not reading?
He wants to fight sooner than Strikeforce wants him. So he’s going to try to take a fight BEFORE that date. He didn’t postpone anything or turn down a Strikeforce date. He wants to get in a fight before then. Why is that a big deal?
“He might get hurt” doesn’t fly to me. He might get hurt in the gym waiting until March. Or he might be so rusty come that fight that he is only at 80% against a really good fighter.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 15, 2010 12:23 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Would rec if I weren't mobile.
People are all over the place with this article. It’s simple. He will fight in Strikeforce in March when they want him to, likely against Fedor, since Alistair is on “vacation” till May. Who cares what he does between now and then.
by memitim on Nov 15, 2010 12:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He’s not the stupid one, Strikeforce is. They should have offered him a fight right when he was ready. They now risk him getting upset and wearing off the luster, though I imagine he’s gonna fight someone non-threatening.
But wait… what happened to everyone else being a step down from Fedor? Hmm..
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by Charles Awad on Nov 15, 2010 1:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
They should have offered him a fight right when he was ready.
They don’t really have a fight for him if Overeem and Fedor are unavailable.
Surely they can offer him a better fight than he is being offered by this mysterious Abu Dhabi promoter. It doesn’t sound like Werdum is looking for a big name. I’m sure he would have been happy to beat up on a Chad Griggs or a Jon Devine as a warmup for his Fedor/Overeem rematch.
Or
Maybe SF doesn’t want his last fight on the SF contract to be against a can that he has no possibility of losing to and then the UFC being able to outbid them.
MMA > The UFC
Rogers? Barnett? Arlovski rematch? Come on.
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by Charles Awad on Nov 15, 2010 3:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The dark side of non-exclusive contracts.
this HW division is mess.
by Lil_Machete on Nov 15, 2010 12:34 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
there's no dark side...
He doesn’t have a fight scheduled. He would like to fight. So he’s going to fight. And then he’ll fight again in March.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 15, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
You mean unless he gets his face split again a la JDS, he'll fight in March for SF
by Spider_Vemon on Nov 15, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Fighters should want to fight. I’m not going to sit around and worry that he might lose or might get hurt. What I expect out of a good fighter (or a bad fighter for that matter) is that he wants to fight and stay fresh. If he were sitting on the shelf because he was worried about losing I’d be a lot more concerned than I am with him wanting to go out and take fights.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 15, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
then the question is, “why doesn’t SF have any plans for him until march?”
I have not seen anything saying that there is any delay in SF offering him a fight besides his surgery. If he is ready before march, why is SF waiting until march?
… because Fedor won’t be ready till March
Problem is, February is going to roll around and M-1 will STILL be renegotiating and March is going to turn into May. Then Fabricio is going to get fed up and take another fight outside Strikeforce and May turns into July. And so on, and so on, ….
M-1 will STILL be renegotiating and March is going to turn into May. Then Fabricio is going to get fed up and take another fight outside Strikeforce and May turns into July.
So Werdum should sit around and wait for Overeem or Fedor to get their shit together?
nope
Coker should scrap the retarded V Overeem V bigFoot fight and have Werdum avenge his loss.
by F'n Clownshoes on Nov 15, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
What loss does Werdum have to avenge? Arlovski? Kharitonov? And why would that affect the Reem vs Bigfoot fight?
MMA > The UFC
yes and yes
why not, he wants to fight. until Fedor gets re-resigned and Ubereem is done w/ K1 let him fight. he wants to fight before March. Strike force needs to get some frickin’ fights out. Any fights. How long have they had Kharitonov signed? When was the last time he or Arlovski fought? at this point, for the love of God, just get some fighters in the cage. like I stated earlier, it’s not just Werdum, it’s DelRosario, Cormier, Lavar, Arlovski, Kharitonov etc.
by F'n Clownshoes on Nov 15, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Kharitonov fought in the K-1 Final 16 and will likely get a superfight in the Final 8 so he’s pretty much in the same situation as Reem.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying that SF is doing an amazing job and I love what they’re doing what their HW div. The fact is that their HW division is better than the UFC’s at the moment but until they put some effing fights on, people are going to be upset.
MMA > The UFC
as to the reem bigfoot fight
it’s not relevent, it’s just an odd fight to have on the books. is it the only HW fight on the books right now?
by F'n Clownshoes on Nov 15, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
Absolutely not. I already stated I have no problem with Werdum looking out for #1. I’m just pointing out that this a marked difference from how he has handled these delays in the past and that it does not bode well for Strikeforce.
If Fabricio wanted a fight before March, Strikeforce should have made that happen rather than telling him to wait for Fedor/Overeem. Werdum knows that those guys are are extremely difficult to pin down and that ‘wait until March’ can quickly turn into ‘wait until June’ and then ‘wait until August’. Now Strikeforce has yet another HW who has decided to go mercenary on their hands.
scuse me he should avenge the Arlovski loss
my head stopped working for a sec. they should still scrap the bigfoot fight, but it’s conterproductive to the arguement at hand.
Doesn't bother me
Look, Werdum earned a shot against Overeem for the title. Overeem is busy with K-1, and has said he probably won’t be back for SF until the spring. Werdum needs to get the rust off and keep busy, he is a fighter and makes his money that way doesn’t he? I can’t blame him here.
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