Quote of the Day: Dana White Says Nate Marquardt 'Is a Choker'
by Scott Haber on Nov 14, 2010 11:32 AM EST
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At the UFC 122 post-fight press conference:
He is a choker, he choked tonight. Marquardt is such a talented guy, and what I'm seeing is stuff from the Greg Jackson camp. This camp continuously – when these guys fight, their corner is either telling them they're ahead or they're winning.
I mean, Nate Marquardt sat here tonight and said that he thought he won the fight. Where the [expletive] is his corner? You go into the last round and you're getting outstruck by a wrestler, and you think you won the fight? And this is consistent with the Greg Jackson camp.
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Dana White is kind of an asshole
by Patrick John McGreevy on Nov 14, 2010 10:00 AM EST reply actions 6 recs
Honest. He was talking sh*t about Jose Aldo not to long ago but didn’t get his name correct.
And now he’s simply calling out an entire GYM because of one guys performance and you think he’s HONEST?
Opinions do not equate Truth.
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by VeeisAnimated on Nov 14, 2010 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
sometimes they do....
listen you are absolutly correct about Dana. I’m speaking of this instance alone…..in a bubble, if you will
by F'n Clownshoes on Nov 14, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I am a Dana White fan
but damn he could be a dick. You’re right on that. I just don’t like when he talks sh*t about fighters. Fall the f*ck back.
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by VeeisAnimated on Nov 14, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
got it..
soon there should be a time when the Dana/Vince reigns are gonna need to be pulled in. Mainstreaming the sport and his ego do not make for a quality relationship.
by F'n Clownshoes on Nov 14, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
to me
dana has to make comments like that because to the people who paid to see that fight they feel cheated. if he doesn’t express some form of digust or discomfort from the main event. they will take it as he doesn’t care about his product and he might not get another shot at doing a show in germany. also melvin’s last fight another product of the jackson camp. he was not impressive either even when it was clear he had advantages over the other fighter.
by BIGNAT on Nov 14, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
On a case by case basis . . . his indictment of TEAM JACKSON doesn’t hold water. See Carlos Condit KO Dan Hardy, something GSP didn’t attempt.
Two, Dana White defends some guys and he throws some guys under the bus. Note, he did defend Rashad Evans after his fights with Thiago Silva and Rampage. He also defended Lyoto Machida throughout his UFC career. He said the same thing, “once this kid feels like the Octagon is his home . . . he’ll be great”
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by VeeisAnimated on Nov 14, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
yeah!!! MMA. I stil have love for boxing too
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by VeeisAnimated on Nov 14, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I bet football and basketball players never get blasted by management after bad games or stretches.
by Dropkick434 on Nov 14, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
That's different
If a team gets blasted by management, that is because management is involved exclusively with that team.
This situation is more akin to Roger Goodell calling out the Broncos or Bills for sucking, or David Stern telling the Clippers that they blow.
BOOSH
No its not, Dana White isn’t Roger Goodell and MMA isn’t a team sport. All UFC fighters work directly for Dana White, no NFL player works for Roger Goodell, he doesn’t sign contracts or player checks. You will never hear anyone call Dana White commissioner, because that’s not his job.
If the Dana White-Roger Goodell comparison doesn’t hold water (and it doesn’t) than comparing Dana to Joe Girardi or Brian Cashman doesn’t either.
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A better comparison would be Jerry Jones or Mark Cuban in that regard. Dana doesn’t tell athletes how to perform but he does pay the bills and will have expectations of seeing results.
Yeah, but those results are entirely different from the results that Jones and Cuban want. Jones and Cubans own teams whose goal is to win more ball games. White wants to produce an entertaining product.
Twitter: @Mike_Fagan_13
The analogy you're looking for is the PGA Tour
Tim Finchem, commissioner. He is the main rep for the org that pays the golfers, just like Dana is for Zuffa.
by Pantherhare on Nov 14, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Good point
Forgot Dana owns about 9 percent. Your analogy of Jones or Cuban still doesn’t work, though.
9 percent of a billion dollar corporation
Is a considerable amount.
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No one is saying he isn't wealthy because of it
But 9% of a privately held company = zero control, aside from what the actual owners delegate to you.
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by The American Ronin on Nov 14, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
That's why it's called an anology
It does work. The owner of a sports enterprise is calling out an employee for a less than adequate performance. Just because one owner wants wins and the other owner wants entertainment does not undermine the analogy. Both owners want the athletes to perform at high levels for the benefit of the owner. In addition it’s not that far of a strtch to consider Zuffa a team. A team that competes against other forms of entertainment.
Your beliefs become your reality.
by Hardy's in your face on Nov 14, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
It’s a bad analogy. The UFC and the Dallas Cowboys don’t operate under the same principals no matter how thin you stretch the analogy. Nate Marquardt and Yushin Okami aren’t working together to put on the best fight possible. They are not teammates for Team UFC.
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I think it’s pretty clear Dana does have a Team UFC perspective. He doesn’t care which individual fighter wins as long as his brand or “team” does well in the ratings. Even though there were some winners last night his team didn’t look very good.
In any event, the key principles in play here is 1) did the performance of an athlete under contract match up to their ability and 2) did the performance enahnce the reputation of the employer OR detract from it. Thise are principles that Dana and NFL owners can relate to.
While all of dana’s criticisms of fighters and fight camps aren’t analogus to that of team franchise owners I believe it is in this case.
In other words this is a case were Dana’s and Nate’s interests are aligned. (just as the football team owner and player’s interests are aligned) Both would have been better served if Nate had simply fought harder and taken a few more chances.
I agree that had Nate been winning the rounds he would not have had an incentive to take a few more chances even though Dana might have wanted him to (in that case the owner/player analogy would not hold) but that was not the case last night.
Your beliefs become your reality.
by Hardy's in your face on Nov 14, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
“Both would have been better served if Nate had simply fought harder and taken a few more chances. "
Do you really believe the reason that Nate lost is that he didn’t fight hard enough?
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Sports annalogies always suck when it comes to MMA, I just tossed that out for shits and giggles and because for some reason commenters seem to love that stuff. In the end what it comes down to is that Marquardt and Okami both work directly for Dana White, he isn’t their commissioner or coach he is their boss.
For good or bad that is the direct analogy here, Dana is CEO of the company and the fighters are independant contractors the company hired to do a very specific job for that company.
And
It’s not Dana’s fault. The fans want exciting fights but they also demand to see the guy with the most suitable/deserving win record get the title shots. Maybe he should give title shots to guys like Chris Lytle (weight class aside)…a dynamic, exciting fighter with nothing to lose.
by Daveyboy on Nov 14, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No Yankee player has ever been called out by George Steinbrenner, for example
Nope, never happened.
You are correct, of course, This happens all the time in other sports. Ask a Man U fan if their players get called out by the coach/GM
Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".
Business-wise, I simply don’t see the point of Dana talking badly about the fighters that work under him. He says that Kenny Florian is a “choker,” and yet they put Florian vs Dunham in the main event of the Fight for the Troops, and that just seems a bit backwards to me putting this apparent “choker” in main events. I don’t see how it helps the UFC in any way to discredit their own employees. Going further, the opponents who have lost to these apparent “chokers” must be really bad fighters then. I mean, what does it say about the opponents that have lost to these “chokers” in Marquardt and Florian?
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Personally,
I think he says it to try and motivate those particular guys. He, like many of us, have seen both Florian and Marquardt crap the bed when the lights are the brightest.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
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by The American Ronin on Nov 14, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
I can see it that way, but my issue is that whatever applies to Florian and Marquardt apply to other fighters as well, so it really comes off like he singling these two out. Other fighters who have almost reached the top but failed are: Martin Kampmann, Joe Stevenson, Mike Swick, Cheick Kongo (and this is not all of them) but you don’t hear Dana talking badly about these fighters even though they were all at one point one fight away from a TItle shot or were the TItle contender but didn’t win it.
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Good points
Perhaps it is a mix of frustration with widely panned performances in addition.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Nov 15, 2010 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
not really,
no, he’s calling out a gym for a trend he’s noticed in various performances from dudes in the same camp. big difference.
by Victor Rodriguez on Nov 14, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
Choker
Maybe Dana shouldn’t have said choker, but Dana is spot on in his analysis of Nate’s suggestion that he won the fight. In close fights and even not so close fights, trying to read how the judges will score the bout is a bit like reading tea leaves. This was Nate’s big chance to move to the number 1 spot and he blew it. On the other hand, maybe that’s all Nate’s got. He just not that good. We all know who the real number 1 contender is, the guy who beat Nate and Okami: Chael Sonnen.
by pwdminotauro on Nov 14, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
There is no reason to claim
Sonnen used PEDs prior to any of his other fights. Then again, I believe a significant majority (if not the vast majority) of top athletes in all sports use PEDs of some variety or the other.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Nov 14, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Neither you or I will ever know.
Nor will we know whether he cycles off them, or uses HGH and thus can’t be detected with a piss test.
Koscheck eats it.
But the exact same things can be said
About absolutely any fighter in MMA…
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Nov 15, 2010 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
Many, many guys are using
The fact that guys are still getting popped for PEDs tells you all you need to know.
by pwdminotauro on Nov 14, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
Lyoto's reaction was funny
Either blood test or let everyone juice.
As unpalatable as those options are to many
If we are being honest about the situation, its the only logical question.
The rest is just window dressing to appease the politicians and, to a lesser degree, the fans.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Nov 15, 2010 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
The same logic that was used to point to Bonds use could be applied to Sonnen
In that there was a significant point in his career. Probably sometime around when he entered the WEC, where he went from ordinary and average to significantly above average and everyone was going “wow, this is the same guy that lost 10 fights?”
I dont think u should ever tell somebody they r ahead in a fight like this one
Theres no telling what the judges r scoring, but i think they got it right awarding the fight to okama
Ha
Okama means fag in japanese. Its okami bro ;)
by silent.bisonte33 on Nov 14, 2010 10:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 5 recs
That’s F*cked up.
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by VeeisAnimated on Nov 14, 2010 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
Wait a Minute...
You mean to tell me that the okama gamesphere from the towlie episode of south park is actually the fag sphere?
by chunkyass on Nov 14, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions 8 recs
yeah,
that’s the joke……….you didn’t know that? N00B
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"I mean, this guy is like Kenny Florian Part II"
“We gave this motherfucker a good guy that he was supposed to run through so he could get his title shot that he’s been bitching about, and he can’t even fucking handle him.”
Apparently we now know who Dana thought was going to win this fight.
Will I ever get to where I'm going?
If I do, will I know when I'm there?
I think that was the general consensus to start with, the vast majority of people were picking Nate for this fight.
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/11/13/1811779/pros-pick-nate-marquardt-vs-yushin-okami
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/11/12/1811082/ufc-122-nate-marquardt-vs-yushin-okami-predictions
Okami could’ve dominated that fight… When he kept backing NAte into the cage, i was flipping out when he kept shooting instead of punching, but he started punching in the 3rd round and did well.
I think he can beat Anderson, Okami looks tough to KO…. it’ll probably be a boring lay n pray fight, but someone beating anderson in itself will make it exciting i gues
by yin hsiung on Nov 14, 2010 10:02 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
This...
<I think he can beat Anderson, Okami looks tough to KO…. it’ll probably be a boring lay n pray fight, but someone beating anderson in itself will make it exciting i gues/blockquote>
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LOL What?
Anderson Silva will destroy him. It will be ugly. Okami and Marquardt haven’t shown anything to speak of against quality opposition. Anderson choked out Chael who brutalized Nate and would obliterate Okami. You have got to be kidding us.
"You stick a microphone in a guy's face and he calls out anybody but the champion, and Joe Silva should fax him a pink slip right then." -- Chael Sonnen.
That’s just lazy.
"I was hitting him, and I hear him say, "Ahhh," so I keep going, you know?" - Georges St. Pierre after defeating Sean Sherk
I'm a hater not a fighter
Oh, okay.
So Matt Hamill’s worth a main event after he ‘beat’ Jon Jones in similar circumstances, but Okami’s win over Silva means nothing?
Silva got the floor wiped with his ass against Sonnen for all but a few seconds. Is his win worthless?
Koscheck eats it.
Hamill got a worthless main event on a crap TUF card against a gatekeeper on his way out who had lost his last 3.
Nobody considered him as the winner of that fight. That’s why he got a glorified jobber. Jon Jones got a main event on the UFC’s first foray onto Versus, an important event.
Okami’s win over Silva does mean nothing. He got knocked the fuck out.
With an illegal kick.
Thereby removing any chance he had of pulling a last second win (such as Anderson managed against Chael).
Koscheck eats it.
This is just lazy reasoning
Comments like this make me wish there was a anti-rec option on BE. 1) Just because one person lost doesn’t mean they got handled. 2) Silva was badly winning prior to knocking Okami out with an upkick; it was only illegal because Okami had a knee on the ground. 3) Main eventing a TUF Finale against a guy who lost his last three is practically an insult; Jones was given the headliner in a far more important card (UFC Live 2 against Matyushenko, who’s actually relevant) in his next fight. You need to either think your comments through or stop posting.
"It was only illegal because..."
Because it’s in the rules that you can’t do it?
Scoreboard.
Koscheck eats it.
If you haven't actually watched the fight
don’t comment on it.
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umm actually i have seen the fight
and if u think yushin okami “handled” silva, your an absolute clown.
Dude
that was a reply to Ozzz.
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fight wasn't long enough
you can’t honestly say either fighter was handled.
by F'n Clownshoes on Nov 14, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
Okami was getting lit up on the feet
got knocked down, and then knocked out later on even though it was illegal. I’d say yeah, it was enough to determine that he was pretty much getting handled.
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1.5 min on the feet
1 min on the ground. Okami in gaurd. Nope not enough time. the illegal kick was the only forceful shot Andy threw up to that point. and yes, i just rewatched the fight.
by F'n Clownshoes on Nov 14, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Might want to re-rewatch then.
Silva landed plenty of hard low kicks to Okami, enough to prompt 3-4 telegraphed and easily stuffed takedowns from Yushin. He also landed a nice right straight that had Okami backpedaling. Unable to do anything on the feet, Okami goes for a single and manages to get Silva down only to get almost caught in a triangle. When he stands up to get out of danger Silva starts upkicking him, prompting him to dive into guard. After landing a few good strikes from guard Yushin postures up a bit too much and Anderson crushes his face with an upkick.
Dominating performance by Anderson. Its a shame that the upkick is illegal for no good reason.
When a ball goes into a net, it only means something because we decide it means something. When somebody punches somebody in the face it always means something.
by lowellthehammer on Nov 14, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
3 TD’s stuffed. 1 strong right hand. 4 solid leg kicks. 1 upkick. 1 blocked high kick. 1 Triangle attempt that never got his second leg over thus not a threat. 1 time taken down. yes he was winning. that is NOT domination, sorry. Wanna watch a DQ where the loser was dominated think Jones/Hammil
by F'n Clownshoes on Nov 14, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
pardon me
meant when the winner was dominated
by F'n Clownshoes on Nov 14, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
How much offense did Yushin mount?
A takedown and a couple strikes from guard. That whole fight was Anderson Silva beating up Okami, who barely even looked like he was in the fight considering he spent the whole time on the feet backpedaling with his back against the cage (and even when he got top control he couldn’t do anything with it). You’re arguing semantics here.
When a ball goes into a net, it only means something because we decide it means something. When somebody punches somebody in the face it always means something.
by lowellthehammer on Nov 14, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
no
the difference between winning and dominating is huge. the fight lasted about 2.5 min. the man had not a mark on him. i will give you this, Silva was on his way to a easy victory. up to the point where the fight ended there was no domination.
by F'n Clownshoes on Nov 14, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
agree to disagree
i’m cool with that if you are.
by F'n Clownshoes on Nov 14, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
What are you kidding me?
This is the fucking INTERWEBS. I will argue with you until my fingers bleed and you can’t do anything about it.
When a ball goes into a net, it only means something because we decide it means something. When somebody punches somebody in the face it always means something.
by lowellthehammer on Nov 14, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
fair enough
in that case my subjective point of view is clearly better than yours :)
by F'n Clownshoes on Nov 14, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
Like I said, it's semantics.
I say Silva dominated the fight because all of the offensive action came from Anderson. You’re saying that Silva didn’t do enough to be called dominant but not debating my assertion that he was on offense the whole fight. We only differ on the definition of domination, thus it is an argument over semantics.
When a ball goes into a net, it only means something because we decide it means something. When somebody punches somebody in the face it always means something.
by lowellthehammer on Nov 14, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
yep
that was the direction i was going w/ on the “agree to disagree” bit. being offensively aggresive, to me, is not domination. we are being subjective in our points of views.
by F'n Clownshoes on Nov 14, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
Even if your offensive aggression constitutes 99% of the fight?
When a ball goes into a net, it only means something because we decide it means something. When somebody punches somebody in the face it always means something.
by lowellthehammer on Nov 14, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
That goes both ways.
Anderson was dominated by Sonnen. But Sonnen took the loser’s check.
Okami beat Silva last time out. Just because he was unlikely to have got the win if Silva played by the rules doesn’t mean it was a lock.
Case in point: This.
Koscheck eats it.
What you are saying is completely irrelevant. In both of those cases the winners (Chonan/Silva) were losing, but a burst of offense on their part sealed the fight for them. In Okami’s case he did nothing offensive to win that fight. He was beaten from the time the bell rang to the point where he was lying on his back holding his head. Only an outdated ruleset prevented him from taking a loss that night.
When a ball goes into a net, it only means something because we decide it means something. When somebody punches somebody in the face it always means something.
by lowellthehammer on Nov 14, 2010 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
Chonan wasnt losing.
Anderson was. Anderson actually got yellow carded. There was no way Anderson was winning without a ko.
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by the-gentle-way on Nov 15, 2010 12:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
You don't know that..
..Okami wasn’t seconds away from pulling a heelhook.
That’s my point.
Koscheck eats it.
Anderson had a very good
sprawl back then…is it the knee injuries that prevent that now, as I can’t recall seeing even a failed sprawl since then?
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by The American Ronin on Nov 15, 2010 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
THE UPKICK IS ONLY ILLEGAL
WHEN BOTH FIGHTERS ARE ON THE GROUND. I UNDERSTAND WHY. SAME REASON THE SOCCER IS NOT USED IN THE UFC. YOU COULD KILL SOMEBODY LIKE THAT. OR REALLY HURT THEM BADLY. SHOGUN WOULD MURDER GUYS WITH THAT SOCCER KICK IN PRIDE. IMAGINE SOMEBODY CATCHING A HEEL IN THE NOSE FROM A POWERFUL THAI FIGHTER THAT MIGHT KILL SOMEBODY.
JESUS CHRIST TURN YOUR CAPS LOCK OFF
How many people died in PRIDE?
When a ball goes into a net, it only means something because we decide it means something. When somebody punches somebody in the face it always means something.
by lowellthehammer on Nov 14, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
rec…i know we are arguing the same point BIG, but emoting in caps is scary
by F'n Clownshoes on Nov 14, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
soccer kicks are entertaining
but they are definitely dangerous, and same goes with stomps. ufc doesnt need the bad press if something were to happen, there having enough trouble cracking markets in usa still
You know what else is dangerous? Knees from the Thai clinch.
Maybe we should outlaw those too.
Soccer kicks and stomps are banned more for aesthetics than anything else. It’s also irrelevant to my point which was that the upkick from guard shouldn’t be illegal.
When a ball goes into a net, it only means something because we decide it means something. When somebody punches somebody in the face it always means something.
by lowellthehammer on Nov 14, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i love a good stomp as much as the next guy.
but the ufc wants to build its brand as extremely competitive and SAFE..i.e trying to get into new york, germany, vancouver, toronto ect. politicians would use video of soccer kicks and stomps to help their cause of keeping mma out of that state/province because of the “brutality”. there is an art and skill to maui thai, where as kicking a downed opponents face looks brutal in their eyes. I dont agree with them, but thats how it looks to an uninformed 50+yr old politician
Which is the meaning of "banned for aesthetics".
When a ball goes into a net, it only means something because we decide it means something. When somebody punches somebody in the face it always means something.
by lowellthehammer on Nov 14, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
You know, I am starting to think everything in this sport hurts.
by Dropkick434 on Nov 14, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
YES
yeah but the knees are about control as long you can get good control in the clinch you can avoid major damage. now if someone is holding your legs and your up against the cage all you have is your arms to block as someone stomps the crap out of you. no matter how much you block it’s hard to avoid damage in a position like that. that is why you can’t throw the 12 to 6 elbow to much force.
I'd love to see what kind of proof you have that
12 to 6 elbows produce “to [sic] much force” to be allowed in MMA competition, but horizontal elbows somehow generate significantly less and thus are safe.
When a ball goes into a net, it only means something because we decide it means something. When somebody punches somebody in the face it always means something.
by lowellthehammer on Nov 14, 2010 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
Yay, MMA Math.
Marquardt was doing reasonably well against Silva when they fought, conceivably even winning the round until Silva’s amazing reversal and fight-ending ground-and-pound. Okami handily beat Marquardt, so he should do even more than reasonably well than Silva.
by Scott Haber on Nov 14, 2010 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
We must have watched a different fight
The fight I saw had Chael brutalizing Nate.
"You stick a microphone in a guy's face and he calls out anybody but the champion, and Joe Silva should fax him a pink slip right then." -- Chael Sonnen.
dude… Okami has a good chance, its not mma math, its styles. Anderson doesn’t have the greatest TDD, he is also not great off his back, good at stalling, but not good at getting up or attacking (it took him 4 rounds to submit Chael, who is not exactly the best at sub defence). Okami is not easy to knock out on the feet, has good TDs and good ground n pound along with the sub defence unlike Chael or Thales Leites who has no ground n pound at all
Okami squeaked by Nate
And you think he has a “good chance” against Silva? LOL ok whatever.
Prepare to be deflated then. Silva will mop the floor with him.
"You stick a microphone in a guy's face and he calls out anybody but the champion, and Joe Silva should fax him a pink slip right then." -- Chael Sonnen.
I'm sure he is. He's very cautious with every opponent.
I was merely pointing out ikilled’s overconfidence.
There have been a thousand times where a guy has been extremely confident of what would happen, and then did exactly what he would said he would do. One fluky off-the-top-of-the-head punch doesnt mean every heavy favorite is going to lose.
I realize that.
But I bugs me when people say A is going to mop the floor B. We’ve all seen enough fights to know that anything can happen.
OH OK
And you can win the powerball lottery. But guess what? It’s not going to happen.
"You stick a microphone in a guy's face and he calls out anybody but the champion, and Joe Silva should fax him a pink slip right then." -- Chael Sonnen.
I see where you're coming from.
Anderson looked spectacular in his last fight.
by sgiblin on Nov 14, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And yet A. Silva choked out a BJJ Black Belt in Travis Lutter in a round and a half. Maybe a roided-up Sonned against an injured Anderson was just really good that night.
Silva didnt "choke out" Lutter
He held him in a triangle and elbowed him in the head until Lutter tapped to the strikes. It wasn’t exactly a masterful display of jiu-jitsu.
by Scott Haber on Nov 14, 2010 11:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Lutter has admitted in an interview he tapped because of the choke.
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by The Darkness on Nov 14, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree with your assessment of Anderson’s Jiu-Jitsu here. If you’re using the term JJ to describe a modern sport in which you practice pure grappling then you would be correct. But Jiu-Jitsu is a self-defense system and Martial Art first.
Anderson was on his back, He trapped his aggressor in a triangle choke and left his upper body free. Free to defend against other attackers should they be there, or in this case land fight-ending elbows in addition to the already sunk triangle choke. Sir, this is a spectacular display of Jiu-Jitsu. This is a simulated combat situation where Anderson proved to clearly be black belt level.
Go back and re-read...
I didn’t mention Chael vs. Nate once.
by Scott Haber on Nov 14, 2010 11:33 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
yea no kidding, chael had a big cut from an elbow, but marquardt got dominated plain and simple
by sittingbull on Nov 14, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
not MMA math
The fact is Silva has beaten 2 of the 3 next best MW fighters currently in the UFC. He also was beating Okami before the DQ. (i know, i know, still a loss) He has Belfort next, if/when Silva takes him, who’s left. If Okami will get destroyed by Silva is not the question, in my opinion, does Okami deserve the shot next is. I think based on the roster in the UFC, he does.
by F'n Clownshoes on Nov 14, 2010 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
You may be right
Okami may not have Chaels top game, but he’s hell a lot harder to sub than Chael, since you know, he knows BJJ.
I’m happy in any championships where I don’t have to hear YOU ESS AYEE being chanted incessantly so I’m for it.
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it was a draw and make them fight again. if i was dana i would tell them i want a clear winner. you monkeys get back in that cage and make it happen.
No thanks
I got enough sleep last night.
"You stick a microphone in a guy's face and he calls out anybody but the champion, and Joe Silva should fax him a pink slip right then." -- Chael Sonnen.
Okami won
he did not dominate, but clearly won
by F'n Clownshoes on Nov 14, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah barely
I think the decision was fine but the fight blew. If they called it a draw, I couldn’t have argued, but Nate definitely did not win and looked terrible. Okami didn’t lose and also looked terrible.
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REMATCH
i got it make them fight again and make it a contract fight. loser gets kicked out i bet we will see a better match then. i like both guys but that was a shitty fight with no clear winner but me catching up on my sleep.
you didnt like the fight, gotcha the first time
but 9-4 vs 10-2 UFC records verse eachother with the loser being kicked out? GTFO
by Kevin Jennison J. Zametov-St Pierre on Nov 14, 2010 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
That opinion is predicated on the idea that they didn't do their best.
Sorry, but I think that’s as good as they’ve got to offer. They’re just not that good.
"You stick a microphone in a guy's face and he calls out anybody but the champion, and Joe Silva should fax him a pink slip right then." -- Chael Sonnen.
theats and innuendo do not a good buisness model make. how would this look to main stream media
Dana White is quoted as saying. “if these assholes don’t f’n fight and fight to knock each other the fuck out, I’m kicking them the fuck out of the UFC!”
by F'n Clownshoes on Nov 14, 2010 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
SORRY
didn’t mean it like that i at least want to see a fight that each man wants to win. these guys looked like they were just going through the motions.
agreed
but to me, that’s more of a reason to not let them fight again.
by F'n Clownshoes on Nov 14, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
Football teams can release players anytime they want. Its business.
by Dropkick434 on Nov 14, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
yet,
they normally don’t do it when the players are still aii pro or allstars
by F'n Clownshoes on Nov 14, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
They drop all pro players all the time when their contracts get to expensive or they don’t get along with the rest of the team. Heck guys like Randy Moss and T.O. tend to wear out their welcomes due to their mouths even though their football abilities rank up their with some of the best the sport has ever seen.
i stand corrected
i knew i was putting my foot in my mouth. my arguement should have been based more on the publicity which Dana seems to use to piss on those who bother him. Whereas besides the Cav’s owner, this is rarely done in “mainstream” sports. Oh, and it does happen in Soccer in the UK
by F'n Clownshoes on Nov 14, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Choker
Or maybe Nate is just prone to offensive strong wrassling and/or south paws.
Silva – South paw
Sonnen – South Paw, wrassler
Okami – South Park, wrassler
Food goes in here
This
Although I do agree with him about the cornering.
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How so?
Trevor Wittman was telling him to believe in himself and start kicking. Nate didn’t follow instructions and instead looked very tentative. Circling on the outside, throwing an occasional counter punch, and defending takedowns could not have been the entire game plan.
by Pantherhare on Nov 14, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
but
even though he got taken down more he almost beat sonnen. had him tired the elbows from the bottom hurt him bad. he almost choked him out. okami was not giving him that much pressure. he was just rolling with the punches like heh i got this let me skip around for a couple more minutes. if nate wasn’t really trying to engage he should have kept taking him down that seemed to work for him. shit he wasn’t doing much of anything else.
Is there video of this part anywhere?
I missed the press conference and the link no longer goes to it.
"You stick a microphone in a guy's face and he calls out anybody but the champion, and Joe Silva should fax him a pink slip right then." -- Chael Sonnen.
could it be possible that Okami is the better fighter? Nate feared the takedown so much he forgot to strike. Okami threatened the takedown enough that when he did strike he caught Nate. I’m not saying Okami dominated, but his game plan just seemed to work for this fight. In my humble opinion Dana is about half right. He didn’t choke but “the Jackson game plan” failed. It was bound to happen sooner or later.
by F'n Clownshoes on Nov 14, 2010 10:14 AM EST reply actions
NO
i think nate just choked. lets see okami keeps nate at the end of his jab nat circles alot can get takedowns. after a while he stops doing that. okami stops going for takedown. then it becomes a one sided boxing match but the guy who is throwing the punches is not really hitting. nate throws shots will running away. i was hoping for a draw and they had to fight again. with dana telling them if i don’t get a clear winner both you guys are heading back to the bottom of the pile.
so coaching after the fact will see Nate win.
what i’m saying is coaching before the fact did not work. Nate may of choked, but you can not deny that Okami and his camp executed a better game plan.
by F'n Clownshoes on Nov 14, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
I don't understand why you would want to see this fight again.
There was a clear winner. Although it wasn’t the most exciting fight, someone won. What’s the reasoning behind making them fight again?
He's a Marquart fan
And he wants a mulligan?
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i like both fighters and that fight to me means neither of them deserves to fight silva. unless we get a clear winner. nate choked but it’s not like okami rose to the occasion he was chilling on his heels as well.
100% agreed
these contender matches end up being brutal half the time, and the winner walks out looking like a chump against the champ
by sittingbull on Nov 14, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
see the snoozefest that was koscheck vs daley
by sittingbull on Nov 14, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
I CAN'T STAND KOS
i know you are suppsoe to win a fight by anymeans but he was talking all that crap. i was so happy to be in the bar watching that fight i was telling my friends how good it was going to be. kos was saying he was going stand with him and knock him out. it got silent in the bar during the fight it was so bad. kos talked all that crap and just wrestled him down and gave twom more of his acting performaces. at least he insulted the crowd that was the best part of that fight
yea insulted the crowd.
then went home and watched the pens get raped by the canadiens.
by sittingbull on Nov 14, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
thats what really pissed me off
was all the shit talking going back and forth. like they hyped that match up like nobodys business, and then it ends up being the worst contende rmatch in ufc history. and to boot we then lose one of the most exciting KO artists in paul daley
by sittingbull on Nov 14, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly. These, promised #1 contender fights are often duds. I’d rather see the, “well maybe one of these guys gets a shot if they impress us” approach. How long will Dana continue to gutlessly choke in these situations:)?
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Nov 14, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
Yes.
could it be possible that Okami is the better fighter?
Oh yes, and he showed it last night. It was a close fight sure, and while some could probably reasonably argue maybe Nate was looking ahead to Anderson and undervalued Okami, I think the fact remains that Okami was a bad stylistic match-up for Nate.
Which at the end of the day is a load of crap.
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by VeeisAnimated on Nov 14, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
WELL.......
nate wasn’t listening to his corners advice anyway he choked. what they was telling him to do was better than what he was doing.
Let's ignore recent fights when we consider his standing and legacy
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by Neil Manich on Nov 14, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
WELL......
when you take into account the fights they have been in i see vitor losing. i think most people are seeing it the same way. with vitor’s hand speed maybe silva will get caught. the problem silva is a very cautious fighter he might not fight him head on. vitors last match was a catch weight fight. this fight will be at 185 when was the last time he did that? man to think about it i have not seen vitor fight in so long. has he fixed his stamina problems?
as much as I hate the phrase
Punchers Chance. Vitor has been so much faster then his last few opponents. (Franklin, Lindland, Martin) Silva’s quickness should, i mean should nullify the power of Vitor. BTW, I would lve for Belfort to win, if only to see a break in the MW division. Oh, and to see Silva PISSED OFF!
by F'n Clownshoes on Nov 14, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with you there, but no one ever accused ((Franklin, Lindland, Martin) of being fast with their hands.
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by VeeisAnimated on Nov 14, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
that is what i was trying to covey
i must have eatin a giant bowl of stupid this morning. they are not fast. Hands or anything else Vitor will have a hard time w/ Silvas quickness….i do not think speed is the appropriate word for Silva.
by F'n Clownshoes on Nov 14, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed. Not to mention that Vitor has spent about 2 minutes total in the Octagon over the last year and a half. And he’s going to come back to face Anderson? This seems like a terrible idea to me, and while I like Vitor, I have no idea why the UFC is so dead set on getting him an immediate title fight based on one win. Does Vitor have some enormous following I’m not aware of?
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Nov 14, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
he shows up to fight, and i would say that belfort will give him more of a fight than, maia, okami, marquartd, leben..
by sittingbull on Nov 14, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
I’d take Okami off that list, but otherwise I agree with you. I just don’t see why they’re so dead set on this, when Vitor has had over a year off, healing from injuries. If Anderson destroys him, I don’t want to hear about ring rust. It’s a fight I’m really pumped to see, I just want it to be definitive. But to anyone casually interested in MMA, who the hell is this guy fighting Anderson? I’ve never seen him before.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Nov 14, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Historically
vitor has been such a mental midget at times that I think they are afraid to have him fold against a lesser fighter in a tune-up match and lose the ppv headliner for Anderson.
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by The American Ronin on Nov 14, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that’s the heart of why this doesn’t make so much sense to me. Vitor’s had short bursts of greatness, followed by years of…meh. I like Vitor, it’s not an attempt to bash him or anything. I’m just surprised that the UFC is so dead set on getting him in there against Andy. He’s not some unique draw, he hasn’t really earned it, or done anything at all for the UFC in recent history, yet they kind of act like this fight is his birthright. I guess Dana’s just a big fan, or more likely, they really want to take Anderson out and think Vitor’s the man to do it. I’m dubious on that point. I think Chael just gave a 23 minute clinic in how to defeat Anderson. He and Yushin are the most likely to get that done. If Vitor deserves a shot, you might as well stop pretending it matters, and just put Bisping in there for the ratings. We’d all like to see that ass-kicking, and it would give Silva another highlight reel:)
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Nov 14, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
I WAS THINKING SOMETHING LIKE THAT
why didn’t they have vitor fight bisping first. now rivera’s fight got canceled because his oppenent caught the flu or something. now at ufc 127 he is fighting bisping. why do they keep spoon feeding bisping people everyone knows he can beat already. or has a good chance to beat. it just pisses me off. toss him to the wolves already
Its just because Anderson-Bisping is a future big $$$ fight for the UFC, if they can just protect him from the true class of the division to let him get there.
Much the same situation at LHW exists imo – neither Rampage, Forrest, Franklin nor Couture are likely to ever truly earn a legitimate title shot, it is only if they are protected from the likes of Machida, Jones and Rua (if he is no longer champ) that a path exists for them to “earn” a title shot.
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by The American Ronin on Nov 14, 2010 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
I also hate the phrase. But yeah, I think that’s what Vitor has in the fight with Anderson. He’s got the power to put him away. But I don’t think he’s strong enough in the areas where Anderson is weak to compensate for what Andy will bring to the fight.
people tend to forget that Silva doesn’t wilt away from 1 punch. He proved he can take a beating and keep going. He doesn’t panic off his back and doesn’t have cardio issues.
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by VeeisAnimated on Nov 14, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
He certainly doesn’t, although few people have really been able to get that many significant hits in on him. He’s certainly got heart, no cardio issues to speak of, and his ground game off his back is still under-rated IMO. But I do think Vitor will be the best striker he’s faced in a while. I’m still going with Andy to win this fight though.
very possible
but we will see. I just hope they don’t get injured before their match up.
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by VeeisAnimated on Nov 14, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think Nate is a choker
He is just a very good fight, who isn’t one of the top 5 in his division anymore.
Diagree
he’s not the second or third best MW. Silva, Chael, Okami, ???? Who else?
by F'n Clownshoes on Nov 14, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
when he fights someone at 185
then i may agree w/ you.
by F'n Clownshoes on Nov 14, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
not trying to start anything..
but he pounded the fuck out of the former mw champ in what less than 2 minutes? Guy has some if not the quickest hands in mma. IF he beats silva, will u give him his props?
by sittingbull on Nov 14, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
i know, still gotta give him props for that, franklin is a tough SOB
by sittingbull on Nov 14, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
when he looked at the clock after liddell broke his arm? and then KO the iceman? give me a break, franklin brings it everytime win or lose
Rubbish.
Yeah, he knocked out Liddell. Who hasn’t, the last few years?
He got shitcanned against Vitor. He totally clockwatched against Jardine and Wanderlei, which cost him one of those fights. You’ve got to go back to UFC 88 to find a truly gnarly Franklin performance against opposition that wasn’t basically falling over dead.
Koscheck eats it.
abso fuckin lutley!
if he beats Silva he’s top of the food chain. I want him to win very badly. he did fight Franklin who’s been on a weight see-saw. Lindland is slower then dirt and Martin is not quick either. Silva has quicks and tempo to match Vitor. Again, i really would like Vitor to win.
by F'n Clownshoes on Nov 14, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
im gonna go out on a limb and say one of them is going to win by KO, either silva picks him apart like usual, or belfort blitzkriegs him the same way he finished franklin and lindland
by sittingbull on Nov 14, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
DON'T SEE IT
if vitor wants to win he is going to have the best stamina he has ever had. one of his super vitor flurries is not going cut it against anderson.
silva has amazing head movement, but befort aint forrest griffin, all it takes is one big shot from belfort and before you know it, your already on the ground taking 10-15 shots.
by sittingbull on Nov 14, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
TRUE
i just think vitor is going to have to work hard to get his punching distance. anderson knows what he is going do. that is why i think he wil be kicking alot and clinching when they get in close. if vitor is his usually self stamina wise this will be over in 3 to 4 rounds.
other than the belfort silva fight
the only silva fights that interest me right now is a rematch with a clean chael sonnen, with no injuries to silva. he needs to move to lwh and really test himself. hes dominated the division for too long, and there are really no real challenges left for him. Who wouldnt want to see rashad and anderson go at it? or bones vs silva. those are some exciting matches that i would pay to see
by sittingbull on Nov 14, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
although
i would love to see anderson give bisping a rough face lift with knees. do i think bisping deserves a shot. NO, but it would be fun to watch
by sittingbull on Nov 14, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
If Jones wins the LHW title
Maybe Rashad will make the easy drop to MW.
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by The American Ronin on Nov 14, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
I meant easy in terms of
an easy weight cut, not saying Anderson is an easy opponent, although Rashad probably has a better chance of beating Anderson than any current UFC MW.
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by The American Ronin on Nov 14, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I think Anderson can stay on the outside and use his jab and kicks to score on Vitor until he has to bullrush the champ. That charging staight ahead with Tasmanian Devil punches thing will get him countered badly by Anderson who has the footwork to cut angles off from Vitor’s line of attack and then punish him. Should be interesting though, and Vitor definitely has the pop to hurt Anderson.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Nov 14, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
I chuckled a bit
Clearly Dana’s been irked by the Greg Jackson way for a while now. This is only the beginning.
by SmokinJoe86 on Nov 14, 2010 11:00 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
okami!!!!!!
he did what he does best, win ugly
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by S.C. Michaelson on Nov 14, 2010 11:10 AM EST reply actions
Dude
Dana just tells it like it is and is brutally honest. He pulls no punches and got the UFC to where it is by being brutally honest. Dana is amazing and I love him.
BOOSH
by Farthammer on Nov 14, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Wow
Dana is amazing and I love him.
Why don’t you marry him.
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by Charles Awad on Nov 14, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
I think yours might be too
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by S.C. Michaelson on Nov 14, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Him not getting it>terrible joke
But you wouldn’t know the difference
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by Charles Awad on Nov 14, 2010 7:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Just Stupid
Whatever he wants to say about the camp, or express his opinions on the performance of Marquardt, that’s fine, but do it in a professional matter. “He’s a choker.”??? What an as*hole thing to say about your fighters. And why did he say that? Most likely because he was pissed off and doesn’t know how to control his emotions. How about his fighters start calling him a hypocrite in interviews for dying to co-promote when Pride was around and then being so against it now? How about his fighters start calling him a liar and a fraud for ripping on guys for freakshow fights and then bringing in Kimbo and Toney. He’s a flip flopper and a hypocrite and the reason fighters don’t call him out, besides the threat of losing jobs, is cuz most of them are more professional then him. What a punk
by miked612 on Nov 14, 2010 11:15 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Why did he want to co-promote with Pride? Pride was bigger than the UFC. The UFC is in a league of their own now. Why would they co-promote?
Maybe he truly believes Marquardt is a choker. I’m starting to think so as well. He looked scared in the fight.
by sgiblin on Nov 14, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
why?
Because this is the only mainstream sport ruled by a dictatorship. If anybody who isn’t already a superstar crosses Dana he can end their UFC careers, or at least make it really really tough from an economic perspective. It’s like criticizing a mafia boss or punching him when he offends you; you might get the words out of your mouth, but there will be serious ramifications.
Being overrated is overrated.
This is in no way the only sport run by dictatorship
Check out how the NFL is handling the big hits, and what Polomalu has said in response. Or how the NBA handled the Donaghy scandal. Or how FIFA handles anything.
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NFL can't fire a player for talking shit about league management. Same goes for the NBA.
Absent criminal conduct, NBA and NFL can’t kick you out.
Sure they can.
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by Richard Wade on Nov 14, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
There’s a significant difference between the league issuing fines and suspensions and banning a player from the league.
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Care to point out numerous examples of guys being indefinitely suspended for criticizing the league?
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I don't have to point out numerous examples.
You’re saying it could never happen. I’m saying guys are fined for criticizing league officials all the time.
IF you want to differentiate between a league-appointed ref and the head of the organization, go ahead. But it’s a pedantic point that Mark Cuban’s accountant would laugh at.
Koscheck eats it.
Fined isn't cut
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by S.C. Michaelson on Nov 14, 2010 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
“NFL can’t fire a player for talking shit about league management. Same goes for the NBA.”
This was the original statement.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Nov 14, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
I said they can not that they should.
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by Richard Wade on Nov 14, 2010 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
WELL.........
if your behavior is not up to par the nfl gets rid of you. if your play is not up to par the team can get rid of you. in football you can get waived by your team which means by to your money. or the nfl won’t let you play for a certain amount of time. pacman jones had to go through alot of stuff just to get back into the nfl just to mess it up again.
Nate has good power with his striking, he apparently has no idea how to fight someone with more height/reach than him. He was using head movement but he was never slipping the jab. When someone is longer than you you have to slip the jab and throw something back. Just dodging around with your head against the cage will just delay the inevitable.
Also, Dana is damn right about Nate’s corner failing him. Someone should’ve given him something because he looked stumped and even if he did with the first couple of rounds, it was close and judges are notorious for missing close rounds.
The uppercut was there for Nate for most of the fight, but he was so wary of closing the distance he never followed his jab with it, or with any combinations at all. He went into counterstriker mode, gave up the initiative, and never got anything going at all. He needs to rewatch his Lyoto videos and see how it’s done:)
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Nov 14, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think Nate is "a choker"...
but I do agree that this is Dana venting his frustration at the style of cornering coming out of Jackson’s recently.
Dana know what sells to the fans and that may not be the same as what the best strategies are.
Not saying I agree or disagree, simply that I think Nate got in the way of a blast from Dana that was more directed at Jackson’s.
Yea there seems to be something deeper to this than just Marquardt bugging about a title shot and then not winning. It seems Dana isn’t happy with Greg Jackson currently and other guys are getting caught in the blast radius.
I think Dana’s really got it in his head that AKA and Jackson’s are too big, and constitute some kind of threat to his divine authority. He jumps on any chance to take shots at them, regardless of the sense in it, as evidenced by the lack of sense in his criticism. Seems like a talking point he’s prepackaged, and he’ll throw it out there whether it fits or not.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Nov 14, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
AKA-guys won’t fight each other
Jackson’s-known for the safe style of fighting now
Hard to blame Dana, when his job is to make as much money as possible by putting on the most interesting cards.
That said, I don’t like what he did with Nate and Florian.
Sure, but since we all know that’s the issue, why branch out into just randomly taking shots at the two camps. Intercamp fights are the problem. Calling out a whole gym as gutless chokers, when that gym contains some of the most aggressive and successful guys in the sport, is just stupid and way wide of the mark. Dana’s graduating to just senseless, undifferentiated shit talking at his own best guys. Yes, I know, it’s Dana being Dana…
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Nov 16, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
As much as I respect Dana
for the phenomenal job he has done in many ways, there is only so far he can take the UFC (and MMA by extension). A few years down the road a guy much more like David Stern will be needed to truly take MMA to the next level.
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by The American Ronin on Nov 16, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed. I’m not some Dana hater or anything, but if the UFC is going to be a global force, it’s going to take a more moderate and professional hand. Stuff like these “choker” comments don’t do anything good for the UFC, the fighters or the sport itself. Not a big deal probably, but just weak.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Nov 16, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
This
“Not saying I agree or disagree, simply that I think Nate got in the way of a blast from Dana that was more directed at Jackson’s.”
Can't disagree
He’s Nate “The Good” Marquardt
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I really don’t get why D. White should attack a fighter’s reputation on a public stage.
IMO, you can say that privately to Nate and his camp, but why go for a public castration ?
i put this up earlier in this thread
to me dana has to make comments like that because to the people who paid to see that fight they feel cheated. if he doesn’t express some form of digust or discomfort from the main event. they will take it as he doesn’t care about his product and he might not get another shot at doing a show in germany. also melvin’s last fight another product of the jackson camp. he was not impressive either even when it was clear he had advantages over the other fighter.
Nate did choke
The guy mounted no signifigant offence. He just kept backing up, unwilling to engage Okami at all
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by sitnam90 on Nov 14, 2010 12:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
You go into the last round and you’re getting outstruck by a wrestler,
But all that UFC promo stuff told me Okami was a “reborn striker”! I’m so confuuuuuuused!!!!
he is
he’s an expert jabber!
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Anybody care to cite examples of another Jackson fighter losing a decision after being told by their corner that they’re up on the cards? There may have been some but I’m drawing blanks here.
I think Dana was targeting their reputation of playing it safe
Instead of going for broke.
by Pantherhare on Nov 14, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
I find it hard to read the quote that way, given bits like this:
This camp continuously – when these guys fight, their corner is either telling them they’re ahead or they’re winning.
Subtext
And that bit actually supports what I just wrote. Dana claims their corners tell their fighters that they’re ahead and thus implies that they instructing them not to do anything risky or stretch for a finish to win.
Sure, but without more than one example of this approach actually backfiring, it’s just silly—he’d basically be faulting them for employing a winning strategy.
(Of course, the whole “Jackson fighters are conservative” thing is overblown to begin with.)
Four of Jardine's last five decisions were splits.
He lost three of those.
So go ahead and tell me how he’s working the rounds just aces.
Koscheck eats it.
Dude,
youmade reference to “near misses.” “Near miss” usually means almost failing but not quite. Hence my question in response.
I know Jardine has lost some decisions, the question is whether his corner told him he was winning those fights or not.
The highest human authority, Wikipedia, says:
A near miss is an unplanned event that did not result in injury, illness, or damage – but had the potential to do so . . .Other familiar terms for these events is a “close call”, or in the case of moving objects, “near collision”.
Whatever they were telling him...
..he was missing (or hitting) by not much, with regularity.
Which smacks of clockwatching, for mine, which is kind of what Dana’s issue with Jackson is.
Koscheck eats it.
That's the point
It may be a winning strategy, but doesn’t make for exciting fights. Many think that doing just enough to win fights is not good for the UFC.
This is just convenient for Dana where the Jackson fighter actually lost.
It's tough to be both conservative and aggressive
I don’ t agree with the comment about the cornering only because Nate’s corner was screaming at him to throw more kicks, which he really needed to do. If they told him he was winning that may just have been to boost his confidence.
The similarity I see between Marquardt and Florian (and Rashad, actually) is how difficult it is to be conservative, reducing risk as much as possible on the one hand, and still be aggressive. Okami pulled it off in that fight. GSP does so consistently.
But the overwhelming majority of fighters can’t do it.
by Lauren J Darkbloom on Nov 14, 2010 12:29 PM EST reply actions
Nate
Basically told everybody he was going to fight this way prior to the fight. He said that he didn’t follow his game plan against Chael and was going for the KO over everything else and this time he’d be going for the counter. I don’t know why anybody is surprised about his performance. He can’t find the middle ground that he needs between aggressive and cautious. I think he does choke a bit in big fights. People like him and Florian remind me of Sylvia when he was fighting not to lose the belt instead of fighting to win.
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THIS
it reminded me exactly of how kenny florian fought Gray Maynard
by theworldismine on Nov 14, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
KENNY
is over cautious but that is more like his style. if he doesn’t see a big hole in your game he is going sit back. like he could have crushed gomi when they fought in the first round. he just took his time and waited him out.
yeah, but it was different against gray;
remember how he utilized a very effective jab against gomi and guida, but sort of moved with Gray looking for the power strikes rather than constant strikes. The thing is he barely threw any, like Nate
by theworldismine on Nov 14, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Nate's cardio is a liability
Maybe I’m seeing something that’s not there but it looked like Nate was tiring about midway through the first round. His pace slowed, his mouth was open and nothing he did seemed crisp.
Okami will be a much bigger test for Silva (assuming Silva gets by Belfort) because he should be able to hang for five rounds. His wrestling is good enough to take Silva down, his cardio is solid and he’s smart to engage the minimum amount necessary to get the takedown.
Nate doesn’t have the chin or cardio to hang with Silva. He also doesn’t seem to have a high fight IQ; he was the better offensive wrestler, yet he made little effort to steal rounds with takedowns — he needed to shoot for takedowns at the end of the round. He also opted to try to out position Okami on the ground rather than inflict damage. Once it became clear that he wasn’t going to be able to pass, he should have started unloading on Okami, if for no reason other than doing so makes it look like you’re winning to the judges. If you take someone down, fail to advance position and fail to land a single blow, it becomes a lot easier to heavily discount the value of a takedown as a judge (as it should). I sometimes think that Nate is so measured on the ground because his cardio just isn’t where it needs to be and he knows it, so he opts not to push the pace.
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This makes a lot of sense too
MMA judging must be very difficult, and as a result judges seem to place great priority on aggression, or even the appearance of aggression. Sometimes it’s pretty hard to tell whether strikes even landed, let alone how much damage they did. And with submission attempts it is almost impossible to tell how close they were to succeeding.
Nate just never seemed to be the aggressor last night. That has to be how he managed to lose 30-27 on one of the judges scorecards. He somehow managed to lose even the second round on one judge’s card.
by Lauren J Darkbloom on Nov 14, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't like this when Dana said this about Kenny
And I don’t like this now. Whether or not its true, it doesn’t really matter. Dana is a dick. I wonder if he’s just going to call out everybody who’s favored in a fight and loses now.
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I don't like it either
There’s not much need to do that but I do understand that he’s trying to show people his frustration. I just think there’s a better way to do it than by being a dick. And we all know he’s only going to call people out that don’t do a stellar job. Another thing is I think he’s freaking pissed off that Okami gets a title shot.
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Well, that's kind of his fault.
If you lock it in that the winner gets a title shot, you take your chances.
As has been said above, he could have said that if anyone impressed in this fight, the shot was there’s to win, but now he’s stuck with a dud main event – and another one to come.
Koscheck eats it.
WEC
to the rescue……here’s to hoping that Zuffa puts a lighter weight title fight on the same card as Silva/Okami. we may never have to a card as bad as last nights again.
by F'n Clownshoes on Nov 14, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
Yup
I agree and to be honest, DW deserves it, we don’t as fans but maybe this will open his eyes and shut his mouth about things like that. Shields looked like crap and he gets a shot. Okami looks like crap and he gets a shot.
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I think Dana just hates certain camps.
He talks poorly about the fighters but I don’t think they’re his intended target of criticism. He calls Nate a choker but says that it’s his corner’s fault because it’s a thinly veiled critique of Jackson’s camp, who are perceived to be a group of guys grinding out decisions (something White doesn’t want to see in a sport marketed as all action). Nate is just collateral damage.
Worst thing is he’s not even accurate in his assessment – Wittman was trying to get Marquardt to be more aggressive, telling him to believe in himself and throw more, but Marquardt would get out there and for whatever reason not be able to commit. Unfortunately so many people just listen to Dana these days and won’t look at the fight to verify what he said.
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by lowellthehammer on Nov 14, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
It's not even Dana being 'A dick'
He’s a promoter, and these fighters fight for him. Ergo he should be promoting them, not burying them. I’m not saying go out and completely lie about their performance but you’re doing your business no good by burying them and then wonder why people will stop spending money to see them fight.
Instead of focusing on Marquardt he should be focusing on Okami. Point to what Okami did right, the areas he’s improved in and why we should care about seeing him fight for a title. That’s your job. It’s great Dana is a fan of the sport, but there is no sport without the fighters. Be a fan of the sport but don’t let it get in the way of doing your job.
by KJ Gould on Nov 14, 2010 1:11 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Part of the problem is, Dana likes fights like Shogun/Coleman.
Or Lytle/Serra.
Fights where, realistically, if both fighters were going for the win, one (or both) would be fighting very conservative and all on the ground.
But he thinks two guys throwing wildly until they’re gassed is good TV.
Which is not to say Marquardt doesn’t deserve criticism – he does, that was a shitty effort – but the criticism should be focused on someone not showing up for the fight, rather than his camp not screaming “SMASH HIS FACE OFF, NATE!”
Koscheck eats it.
I bet you if Okami has Linhares'd Nate's face en route to a cut stoppage
Dana wouldn’t have said this. The Maynard and Okami fights were both technical but not exciting.
Hell, think of it. Maynard, Koscheck, Okami, and Rashad are all fighting for titles after unexciting but decisive wins.
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KOS AND MAYNARD DN'T APPLY
maynard had only one fight to me that he wussed out in that was when he fought nate. he could have finished but he didn’t want to do it for whatever reason. kos for the most part is a very exciting fighter for the bullshit he pulls in the ring.
Koscheck is exciting
But he should’ve finished Daley, who looked poor on the ground.
Maynard is excruciatingly boring.
Michael Robinson leads the Seahawks in completion percentage, yards-per-attempt, and QB rating.
Maynard
It’s not even close.
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by SSreporters on Nov 14, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Edgar fought in an epic battle against T. Griffin
I think he has 3 FOTN bonuses and is normally entertaining despite his lack of finishes.
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MAYNARD IS LIKE RANDY
except maynard can knock your block off if he catches you with one of his clubs. he will lose to edgar though he doesn’t have the stamina to bully edgar for 5 rounds. his striking is not fast enough to catch edgar. on the ground edgar will be to busy for him i think
At what point has Maynard shown KO power
Other than Joe Veres?
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he showed KO power
……when he knocked himself out against Emerson.
by F'n Clownshoes on Nov 14, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Hahahahaha. Rec'd.
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I am glad that Dana’s extensive back ground in Jazzercise or what ever it was makes him qualified to to tell some one like Greg Jackson how to corner a fighter. I forgot how many champions has Dana trained again?
My biggest problem with this is that the promoter should be neutral. Look at the history of boxing if you don’t understand why.
Dana White
…. the man who paid Nate to fight and didn’t get his moneys worth
…. Nate’s boss who could fire him.
…..The man who could “Fitch” Nate.
To me it feels like he is blaming kid nate for his own shitty performance in germany. Look at that card, seriously.
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What does the card have to do with how Nate fought?
Did you think he fought like a guy who wanted a title shot? Hell no.
It has nothing to do with it, try turning the hatred down a bit and read again
Listen he should have given everything in the third I agree, but maybe Nate isn’t as good as you guys thought he were, did you all even thought about that? I don’t like that choke shit, Dana isn’t a fighter he shouldn’t talk like he knows what it is to be up there.
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It was a Euro card.
You can’t blame the guy for stacking it with local talent, even if that talent if often untalented.
Koscheck eats it.
By the way
One card in mainland Europe, that ‘s all we have for the whole year and that’s the best he could do? The weakest card of the year? Oh yeah I can blame him…
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Nate Marquardt: Big Bout Choke Artist
When Marquardt first came in he was highly touted coming in as a reigning King of Pancrase who was supposed to make big waves in the UFC. Here are the reasons why Dana thinks he’s a choke artist:
Ricardo Almeida: Choked (literally)-Pancrase Title Bout
Ivan Salavarry: Technically Choked-both guys fought an extremely boring match on Spike TV and Marquardt gets popped for roids. You know Dana never forgot about this.
Anderson Silva: Choked-UFC Title Bout
Thales Leites: Choked himself- Fought dirty and lost a title bid he should’ve won.
Chael Sonnen: Choked-Title Contention Bout.
Yushin Okami: Choked-Title Contention Bout
Don’t get me wrong Nate Marquardt can be a great fighter, but it seems like he gets the better of guys smaller in stature like Meia and Kampmann. Dana should give him credit though for stepping in with somewhat short notice for Vitor Belfort.
great post.
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by Broke Lesnar on Nov 14, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
Greg Jackson is killing MMA.
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by VelociAldo on Nov 14, 2010 2:59 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
ufc 128 abu dhabi
apparently fights in the works
shogun vs shad lwh championship
ortiz vs little nog lhw
cain vs JDS hw championship
urijah faber vs bowles bantomweight
i hope this is true, thats a hell of a card
It's true, so I don't see the problem with Dana saying it.
Kenny Chokes in big fights… Nate Chokes in big fights. Why be mad cuz Dana said something that has proven to be at the very least, somewhat factual?
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by Broke Lesnar on Nov 14, 2010 5:53 PM EST reply actions
Honestly
I just don’t think Nate is that great of a fighter to begin with.
Okami was blasting him with cleaner shots and he was gassed by round 3.
He did a little bullshit take down thinking he could lay on him for the rest of the round but Okami got right back up.
"One should always be cold minded and remember that a ridiculous incident may occur any time."
OKAMI WAS BLASTING HIM?
mwhahahaha what fight was you watching okami was throwing and barely hitting. nate would do a takedown and do nothing. the whole fight was a bore should have been called a draw. neither of them derserve to fight for the title.
Jackson camp and "safe" fighting...
Call it “conservative” if you want, and this doesn’t certainly apply to all of their fighters, but there has been a curious trend in their camp with a few of their fighters and how they are cornered and basically encouraged to win decisions… Take the last Melvin Guillard fight – they continuously told him he was winning, which he was – then after the 2nd round they tell him “OK, 5 more minutes and you got this.” What about not leaving it in the hands of the judges?
What happened to finishing fights? Melvin could have certainly accomplished that, had he not been bound to their stick and move pitter-patter strategy. It certainly wins fights a lot of the time, but I think it’s a bullsh*t strategy for a UFC fight.
THANKFULLY, in my opinion, the judges did not reward Marquardt for his takedowns with NO FOLLOWUP. Takedowns are fine if you use it to do damage while you’re in control, or go for subs, etc – but laying on a dude is not a sound strategy. Trying to win a fight based on # of takedowns is not a sound strategy.
Another of Jackson’s fighters that’s clearly back to that safe style of fighting is Rashad Evans. Not that it was solely his fight that the Rampage fight sucked, but it didn’t help that his plan was to wrestle for 15 minutes with no real damage.
Now, I don’t agree that Okami totally dominated Nate, but I agree he won the fight. If you got takedowns with nothing happening you gotta see who did more overall damage in the fight and looking at their faces, Okami was spotless and Marquardt was pretty busted up. Okami’s striking didn’t look like much but it was very effective for how few major flurries there were.
I think Jackson’s camp has dome some amazing things for most of their fighters… I just think their philosophy might be a tad flawed for creating destroyers. They got that whole family vibe with the wives and babies hanging out in the gym and a flat out refusal of training partners to fight each other? Doesn’t sound like a den of killers to me. I tihnk in this sport that’s a problem. You’re not creating hungry predators, you’re creating people who merely want to win, regardless of whether or not the fans like the performance.
That alone would be enough to piss of any promoter. Dane White? We all know he’s reactionary, and this response isn’t a surprise to me. In this case I agree with him 90%. There is a problem in that camp when the first goal isn’t finishing the fight. My opinion, granted, but I’ve felt this way about that camp for quite some time. Dana thankfully has more ears bent than I do – I’m no Dana fan but I’m glad he told it like he sees it.
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