Jon Jones Says He'd Have the Advantage in a Fight Against Anderson Silva
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 7, 2010 11:32 PM EDT
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Jon Jones, who is a huge fan of Anderson Silva, talked to Kevin Iole and said that if he got matched up against the UFC middleweight champ, he would have an advantage:
"I’ve bathed myself in Anderson Silva. I think I’d have an advantage going into a fight with him because I’ve studied him so much. I’ve patterned my career after Anderson. You can’t really say you know Anderson Silva, because, like me, he can pull off pretty much anything he wants to pull off, whatever he trained for that specific fight.
"So, you can’t know Anderson Silva, but you can understand who he is and how he thinks and how he operates."
Jones would be slightly bigger, and 12 years younger than the long time middleweight kingpin, but I would be lying if I said that I wouldn't be even a bit interested in seeing this fight. It's possible that Bones would be the slight favorite, but the odds of the bout actually happening? Not so good.
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Promising young athlete has an ego, compares himself to legends.
Shocking news!
Anybody who believed that the Jon Jones “earnest modesty” thing was going to last is either silly or deluded.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
he also talked about "cockiness" in the article
Jones was mortified when he perused the Internet and saw that his words were taken as disrespect for Bader’s ability.
"I believe in the martial arts way and carrying yourself in a certain manner and never disrespecting your opponent," Jones said. "I’m not the type of person who would ever talk badly about another fighter and it’s really bothered me to see what has happened and how I’ve been portrayed."
The son of a pastor, Jones praised Bader for his win over Nogueira and for improving to 12-0.
"You have to be really good to do what he’s done," Jones said. "Ryan Bader is an excellent fighter who has accomplished a lot and deserves everything that is coming to him now."
He’s cringed at those who have suggested he’s become arrogant or cocky. He’ll admit to being confident in his ability, but he insists he’s far from cocky. The dictionary definition of cocky is "jauntily conceited or overbearing; self-confident in an aggressive or swaggering way."
Anyone who knows Jones would laugh at such a description of him. He has confidence – defined as "firm belief; trust, reliance" – in his ability in the cage, but he’s by no means pompous.
"I’m confident because I study, study, study and, yes, I have some physical attributes that maybe give me an advantage. The long arms are something I was born with. But the way I pull off moves, the timing of the way I do my moves, it’s all because of my passion and love for this sport. I’m confident because I work hard. I’m a warrior.
"But cockiness is not where I’m at. Financially, I’m not the most successful fighter. As far as stats, I haven’t broken any records. As far as Hall of Fame, I’m not there. As far as being a champion, I’m not there. I have no reason to be cocky. I just love who I am, I love what I’ve earned and I love this sport."
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 7, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I've said before that I won't spread rumors I've heard because locker rooms are worse than sewing circles.
But am just wary of Jones’ ability to keep his public persona consistent. He may turn out like GSP figure, but I expect more of a Carwin.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
You can tell Bones is eating up this hype/fame. But I do think he would have something for Silva.
When some wild-eyed, eight-foot-tall maniac grabs your neck, taps the back of your favorite head up against the barroom wall, and he looks you crooked in the eye and he asks you if ya paid your dues, you just stare that big sucker right back in the eye, and you remember what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like that: "Have ya paid your dues, Jack?" "Yessir, the check is in the mail." - Jack Burton
Most definitely
Unless he foolish chose to stand with Anderson, he definitely would have something for him…and then some.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Oct 7, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Silva of today or about 5 years ago?
Silva of today? Perhaps…
His wrestling is above reproach and he is getting stronger. I still think he would want NO PART of the stand up with Silva and would shoot at will to avoid it.
But, the Silva of PRIDE and of the first couple years of his current tenure in the UFC?
… No way!
Semper Fi
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Factor?: Front 7 of the Bears will cause two (2) turnovers that put a kibosh on two effective drives by the Packers.
by ChicagoMarine on Oct 8, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Silva of PRIDE was 2-2 and lost to Chonan and Takase
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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 8, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey guys, I won't tell you that Jones is cocky and people told me about it.
I also won’t say that I’m making this all up. So stop asking LOL GUYS!
And then God created Saturn... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Twitter me and what not.
by James Brady on Oct 8, 2010 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oooh you’re owned by Anton.
Possibly the most oft misunderstood terms is the difference between cocky and confident.
Jon Jones, after idolizing Anderson Silva, calmly came to a realization. “I could hang with Spider. Hell I could even beat him if I did it just right”.
Jones would own legends like Couture, Liddel, Forrest, it isn’t far fetched to believe he’d do well against Spider, Hell he’s destroyed EVERYONE else, and he’s fought some decent fighters.
Owned by Anton? Whatever.
I said the kid had an ego. He does. I didn’t use the words cocky or confident. What the fuck are you talking about?
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
ego definition:
egotism; conceit; self-importance: Her ego becomes more unbearable each day.
The definition seems to be at odds with Jones’ quote:
Financially, I’m not the most successful fighter. As far as stats, I haven’t broken any records. As far as Hall of Fame, I’m not there. As far as being a champion, I’m not there.
That doesn’t sound like someone who is conceited or self-important. Furthermore, Jones didn’t come out and say “I would wreck Anderson”. He stated that due to his intense study of Anderson he thinks he could win, presumably due to his talent, natural athleticism and gameplan (none of which would be conceited statements if he did in fact say those things, which he didn’t) … and I’m inclined to agree. Bones has the most vicious GnP in MMA and Anderson was :30 away from losing to Sonnen in his last fight. If Sonnen was Bones that fight would have been over by the second round.
"I'm not Dog the Bounty Hunter, I don't issue apologies. And you're not going to be the first one to get one out of me." - Sonnen
"It’s going to be like sex with a grizzly bear, you know, a lot of scratching and growling on both sides." - Don Frye
RIP Sherdog (6/26/10)
Holy shit put down the internet and get some sleep. You’re taking this more serious than I thought.
But Ego and cocky are synonymous in my books. They’re both puffed up and hollow and usually derive from insecurity. I disagree that he has an ego, but I suppose it depends on how you define it. Peace dude, I’m not taking things too serious here.
He is officially the conductor on his own hype train.
I could be sitting here with just pee stains on my rug.
I think Silva eats him alive standing,
but if Jones wants to take him to the ground, it could get interesting… I’d still put Silva as a favorite, if they fought now, but if it happens down the road, the odds slowly heads towards Jones’ side since Silva is (slightly?) aging.
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 7, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
and I still can't believe he's 35...
compare him to the likes of Nog, Crocop, etc
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 7, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
he is aging miraculously.
I could be sitting here with just pee stains on my rug.
by Earl Montclair on Oct 7, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Black don't crack
West coast sucks a dick. 2Pac had nothing on Big and Easy E and Magic Johnson got HIV cause West Coast broads are dirty as hell. I wish I was from New Jersey because the shitty bagels and pizza I have out here are making my butthole bleed.
by Fake Emcee on Oct 7, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
EEk
Are you sure that’s what you want to say?
When some wild-eyed, eight-foot-tall maniac grabs your neck, taps the back of your favorite head up against the barroom wall, and he looks you crooked in the eye and he asks you if ya paid your dues, you just stare that big sucker right back in the eye, and you remember what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like that: "Have ya paid your dues, Jack?" "Yessir, the check is in the mail." - Jack Burton
by donkeypunch on Oct 7, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
GOOD Black don't crack
It’s a difference.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 8, 2010 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions
"In Soviet Russia, Hell goes to you!"
by actionbastard on Oct 8, 2010 3:06 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I got something to tell you you might not know Joe Rogan….
"Clay "The Missing Link" Guida!!!"
by Adamantium007 on Oct 8, 2010 8:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The difference between him and
Nog, Cro Cop, and even Fedor is the total lack of any real damage taken in his career.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Oct 7, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Fedor?
What’s wrong with Fedor? He looks fine.
"There's this image that you have, this interior image of something that's absolutely perfect, and that's your signpost, your guide. And you'll never get there. But without it you'll never get anywhere."
Fedor has taken far less damage
Than the other old PRIDE stars, but even he has taken more damage and had more wear and tear than Anderson has.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Oct 8, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah...
breaking his fists on other peoples faces sucks.
And that one Fujita punch. Sonnen cracked Anderson once on his feet via Steroids.
I’d say Fedor’s constant broken hands would = Andersons fucked up Knees.
"One should always be cold minded and remember that a ridiculous incident may occur any time."
Can we just start calling him Jesus Jones?
His walkout song could be “Right Here, Right Now”.
Life is hard....get a fucking helmet.
by Skoobs on Oct 7, 2010 11:38 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
"Just like me, he can pull off whatever he wants..."
Wow…I think he’d beat AS…
he couldn’t pull off Sonnen, roided or not.
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by Adamantium007 on Oct 8, 2010 8:37 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Silva vs. Jones
Too many spinning back kicks and elbows.
The hype has gone straight to his head.
Anderson would murder Jones, then dance around on his grave.
Only if they fought in K-1
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Oct 7, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
but Silva is unlike any other fighter Jones has ever faced before. Sure Jones is winning against really good wrestlers, but Silva is a Muay Thai master and has better JJ than Jones, faster than Jones, just as physically strong as Jones, better technically than Jones in all aspects of the game and has waaaay more experience than Jones.
Agreed
except AS is not stronger than Jones. Not even close.
When some wild-eyed, eight-foot-tall maniac grabs your neck, taps the back of your favorite head up against the barroom wall, and he looks you crooked in the eye and he asks you if ya paid your dues, you just stare that big sucker right back in the eye, and you remember what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like that: "Have ya paid your dues, Jack?" "Yessir, the check is in the mail." - Jack Burton
True.
But, outside of wrestling…
… Anderson is two or three levels better equipped than Jones.
Semper Fi
PREDICTION for 2010-2011 NFL Season: "The England Patriots will finish 8-8 plus or minus 1" ~8/13/10 1230p
Prediction (11:56a 9/27/10): 16-13 Bears
Factor?: Front 7 of the Bears will cause two (2) turnovers that put a kibosh on two effective drives by the Packers.
by ChicagoMarine on Oct 8, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Anderson is far better technically on the feet, has exceptional cardio and actually has a very good defensive BJJ game imo, but Jones is far more GSP than Sonnen on the ground – no way he sits in Anderson’s guard and puts himself at risk.
Quickness would be very close, but Jones is far stronger than Anderson.
Honestly, if he fought Anderson next, he probably loses imo. Which wouldn’t be a bad thing imo. If he fights him after the Bader fight and perhaps one other, Jones takes him.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Oct 8, 2010 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
How would he lose? This fight wouldn’t even be competetive. Silva can’t handle wrestlers at all his last fight made abundantly clear (insert tired remark about SILVA WINNING TEH FIGHT!!!) and no way Jones would stand with him. When he runs into a wrestler with more submission awareness than Mark Hunt he will lose, badly. You guys make it seem like Silva has some unbelievablke BJJ which he obviously doesn’t. Honestly I think Someone like Griffin or Vera have just as good BJJ as Silva.
Lulz about Griffin and even Vera, but
I will qualify this by saying that if I had to pick, I would take Jones today over Anderson today, although I fear the experience factor more than a little. I need to go back and watch more tape, but I really suspect that some of the things Jones did (against Vera for example) were calculating baiting attempts rather than limbs sloppily left hanging out.
Anderson has always been vulnerable to elite mma wrestlers (and even to elite old school Coleman-esq wrestlers like Sonnen). GSP takes him imo, Jones as well after another fight or 2.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Oct 8, 2010 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions
But Sonnen was roiding PLUS Silva was going into the fight with injuries! I agree with you that good wrestling is probably the only way to solve the Silva enigma but I dont think Jones has the wrestling ability since we haven’t really seen his wrestling outside of using it to keep the fight standing.
????????
Keep the fight standing? Are you talking about Jon Jones?
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by some schmuck in texas on Oct 8, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
H8R
Also, Sonnen lost.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Oct 8, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
But, it's true.
Semper Fi
PREDICTION for 2010-2011 NFL Season: "The England Patriots will finish 8-8 plus or minus 1" ~8/13/10 1230p
Prediction (11:56a 9/27/10): 16-13 Bears
Factor?: Front 7 of the Bears will cause two (2) turnovers that put a kibosh on two effective drives by the Packers.
by ChicagoMarine on Oct 8, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
There’s a reason that Chael fanboys hear the same exact thing every time they start nattering about how he dominated Silva.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Oct 8, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Jones might be able to take out Silva.
Also: The Hulk, Spider-Man, Captain Kirk, Godzilla, Robert Mitchum in Night of the Hunter, Shang Chi Master of Kung-Fu, Three Jose Aldos, 7/8 of a Brock Lesnar, Muhammed Ali, Blanka, Luke Skywalker, Crocodile Dundee, Mad Max, or the Lucky Charms Leprechaun. I think the chances of us seeing many of those bouts are at least as good as the Silva/Bones superfight.
http://fightdrinker.blogspot.com
by some schmuck in texas on Oct 7, 2010 11:51 PM EDT reply actions
Everybody has their limits, even Jones...
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Oct 8, 2010 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Great Reference
“Shang-Chi: Master of Kung Fu.” Classic. Don’t forget his DC Comics equivalent: Lady Shiva Wu-San and or maybe Richard Dragon. Nice Reference.
actually much more a DC guy than a marvel guy, contra than list
The O’Neill/Cowan run on the Question in the late 80s is one of my all time faves. There is no danger of me forgetting Lady Shiva or Richard Dragon. They’re brutal killing (and subsequent brutal training) of Vic Sage transformed him from a smug Objectivist dickwad into a spiritual seeker of capital T Truth, despite the fact that he no longer even believed in such a thing!
http://fightdrinker.blogspot.com
by some schmuck in texas on Oct 8, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Someone via murder.
Not sure who though.
by Josh Grant on Oct 7, 2010 11:56 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Double homicide
Murder weapon: spinning double flying knee.
"There's this image that you have, this interior image of something that's absolutely perfect, and that's your signpost, your guide. And you'll never get there. But without it you'll never get anywhere."
Given these two's propensity for elbows,
I’d have to change that to Jones’s letting a spinning one go and Anderson uncorking one of his backhanded ones go and catching each other in the same moment.
Name anyone in the UFC that could beat Jon Jones?
Im not saying this like an a hole, I’m just wondering what people would beat him, in any weight class?
Lesnar
Carwin
Cain
JDS
Shogun
When some wild-eyed, eight-foot-tall maniac grabs your neck, taps the back of your favorite head up against the barroom wall, and he looks you crooked in the eye and he asks you if ya paid your dues, you just stare that big sucker right back in the eye, and you remember what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like that: "Have ya paid your dues, Jack?" "Yessir, the check is in the mail." - Jack Burton
Also Lyoto and an in shape Rampage.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
Oh hell no
Not Rampage. He moves at 1/10 Bones’s speed. I’d add Rashad to the list though, but they won’t fight.
"There's this image that you have, this interior image of something that's absolutely perfect, and that's your signpost, your guide. And you'll never get there. But without it you'll never get anywhere."
Teammate Brian Stann believes that Rashad Evans will absolutely take Jon Jones easily in an MMA match.
If that is the case, which I doubt, I believe that Jon Jones is closing the gap really quick.
- Evans doesn’t have a strong top game in my opinion. Well he didn’t exhibit one against Thiago Silva or Rampage.
- Evans has great wrestling BUT he has trouble against other wrestlers or grapplers. See his fight against Michael Bisping and Sean Salmon
I think all the hype surrounding Jones is well deserved. Wait!! Note. Brandon Vera still doesn’t think so although his orbital bone may disagree.
- - - - -
VEe is ANIMated!
by VeeisAnimated on Oct 8, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
There have been other reports out of their camp (unnamed of course) that Jones dominated Rashad in practice, although that doesn’t necessarily mean anything even if its true – practice is practice.
I’ve heard the same sort of rumors about Kos over Fitch as well, but we all know how rumors are…
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Oct 8, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Rampage? Srsly?
Tough as he is, Rampage is a slow, old school, one dimensional fighter. He would have absolutely nothing for Jones. Machida on the other hand is easily the most difficult match-up for Jones at LHW.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Oct 8, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I just bathed in the fact that he might not beat Bader
When some wild-eyed, eight-foot-tall maniac grabs your neck, taps the back of your favorite head up against the barroom wall, and he looks you crooked in the eye and he asks you if ya paid your dues, you just stare that big sucker right back in the eye, and you remember what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like that: "Have ya paid your dues, Jack?" "Yessir, the check is in the mail." - Jack Burton
There is always the chance
He gets caught on the feet by one of Bader’s bombs, but beyond that Bader has no realistic avenue to victory here.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Oct 8, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I believe that too.
Have been saying that on here for the past 9 months.
I think Bader is easily being overlooked because of the “Jones Hype” that has swept the UFC.
I love Jones’s game, but outside of the one fight with Griffin…
… Who has tested his wherewithal over 3 rounds?
Semper Fi
PREDICTION for 2010-2011 NFL Season: "The England Patriots will finish 8-8 plus or minus 1" ~8/13/10 1230p
Prediction (11:56a 9/27/10): 16-13 Bears
Factor?: Front 7 of the Bears will cause two (2) turnovers that put a kibosh on two effective drives by the Packers.
by ChicagoMarine on Oct 8, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Forrest or Tyson?
Srsly though, Bonnar survived 3, as did his first UFC opponent IIRC (drawing a blank on name), but those were almost 2 years ago.
Nevertheless, I can’t see Bader surviving against Jones beyond 1 round at best, and although Jones did slow down a bit back then, Bader is generally slowing by the 2nd.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Oct 8, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess we'll just have to see. (Forrest; and I forgot about Bonnar)
I will step out on a liumb and say that the match will:
- Go into the 3rd round TKO for the winner.
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— Neither fighter will have a “clear” advantage for the entire fight.
I think this is going to be a good fight. Very equal in talents and strengths.
Semper Fi
PREDICTION for 2010-2011 NFL Season: "The England Patriots will finish 8-8 plus or minus 1" ~8/13/10 1230p
Prediction (11:56a 9/27/10): 16-13 Bears
Factor?: Front 7 of the Bears will cause two (2) turnovers that put a kibosh on two effective drives by the Packers.
by ChicagoMarine on Oct 8, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I was jesting about Forrest or Tyson
As he hasn’t fought either. Nevertheless, this won’t even have the illusion of being competitive for more than 2-3 minutes.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Oct 9, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
What have you done for me lately!
Rustpage still clipped Rashad something fierce and stuffed most of his takedowns. The guy has a VERY quick left hook complimented by pretty solid anti-wrestling and respectable cardio when he’s on his game. I see Jones moving for a clinch (since his TDs off the shot are uproven at best) and eating that tight left hook. Rampage is still a legit top LHW, and would pick him over most of the division if his camp is right. Although I’m sure most of the MMA community will say he’s washed up once Lyoto is through with him.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
Personally
I don’t feel that he is washed up, just that his failure to evolve (both stylistically and in training approach + methods) has left him as more near-elite than elite. Like so many other stars from the mid-2000’s (BJ, Hughes, Fedor, as well as Chuck, Nog, Arlovski (chin issues aside) and the like), these guys are still pretty much as great as they were then, but that level of greatness no longer suffices.
I would group Rampage in with Franklin, Couture, Griffin perhaps, Bader, Thiago Silva and the like. These are guys who can beat anyone outside of their group, but, with the possible exception of Rashad, no one in this group is going to beat Shogun, Machida, Anderson or Jones (soon to include Davis I suspect).
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Oct 8, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
How dare you include BJ in that group
I’d say Rampage is a solid #5. You have to favor him over everyone but the top 3 and Jones (and Anderson if he moves up), but there’s a chasm between him and the other four. It’d be closer if he hadn’t neglected his wrestling since moving to Wolfslair, but right now he’s basically a stronger, more technical version of Chuck Liddell. And blacker.
"There's this image that you have, this interior image of something that's absolutely perfect, and that's your signpost, your guide. And you'll never get there. But without it you'll never get anywhere."
Griffin already beat him
And I have no reason to think that either Rich or Randy wouldn’t have an even chance.
As for BJ, I really have mixed views about it. I meant it in the sense that he, like Fedor, really evolved ahead of the curve in MMA, but both reached a certain point and stopped. Look at BJ-GSP 1 vs. BJ-GSP 2. The first fight was very close, almost even imo, but the same BJ from the first fight came to the second fight against a GSP who had evolved greatly in technique, training methods, film study and strength & conditioning training. GSP 2.0 if you will.
I also tend to mentally lump BJ and Rampage together as they are both guys who had tons of talent, and had they 80% of the drive to be the best that GSP has, might be in the GOAT conversations.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Oct 8, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you on Davis.
Said it before on here, and will repeat. Davis is the best prospect in MMA. I kinda hope he stands with Boetch for a bit so everybody else can see how awesome his standup is. He’s pretty crisp and picks his strikes well. And pray for the soul who gets hit by him.
As he develops, he will be the future of the division. Aside from casual TUF fans, nobody will favor Bader over Phil three fights from now.
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Totally agree
I wouldn’t favor him by much, if at all, right now. Then again, I would favor Ben Askren against any WW other than GSP by mid 2011. These style of guys, and perhaps Hendricks, are the future of MMA.
GSP seems to combine phenomenal talent and work ethic to overcome his lack of early-in-life wrestling and BJJ, but this next group will prove to be even better.
Based on his age and build, I suspect Jones will have either moved up to HW or lost due to excess cutting by the time Davis gets his title shot, but we will see.
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by The American Ronin on Oct 8, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Rampage with exceptional TDD and vicious hooks…against a budding kid who’s never had his heart and chin tested? I’m not saying Rampage would win by any means, but to say that he would have nothing is a little far fetched.
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by Adamantium007 on Oct 8, 2010 8:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Rampage has decent TDD against conventional TDs, but not against the varieties Jones uses, and while he does have vicious power, he would look like Forrest trying to hit Anderson against Jones with the vast speed difference.
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by The American Ronin on Oct 8, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Good point with the TDD.
SMH, unfortunately I forget the various types of wrestling. Greco, freestyle, and collegiate etc. Seeing Rampage get dropped on his head would make me giggle. After seeing him and how stiff he was in the Evans fight I don’t see him winning by anything other than flash ko (which consequently almost happened in the Evans fight).
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by Adamantium007 on Oct 10, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
For a variety of reasons,
The 3 I think he would struggle the most with:
Machida, particularly if Lyoto really is adding some mass (elite TDD, elite clinch game in addition to elite striking).
Cain Velasquez with his MMA Wrestling and cardio would be a formidable foe, as would JDS to a lesser degree.
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by The American Ronin on Oct 8, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ve bathed myself in Anderson Silva.
Okay, seriously. Jon. You are still one of my favorite fighters, but… seriously. Between this and the Bader talk you’re scaring the shit out of me.
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THIS IS ABSOLUTELY HILARIOUS!!!
And it is a little charming in a obssessive-compulsive nerdy passionate kind of way. If that made any sense at all.
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by VeeisAnimated on Oct 8, 2010 4:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Brocktober sees your boast and raises you-
UFC-121 goes back to the old-school tournament format and no weight classes. Let’s get all these super-fights out of the together.
Brock/Cain/Jones/Silva/GSP/Edgar/Aldo/TBA (Henderson, Cruz, or JDS, whoever says they want in first.)
At least it wasn't in Lyoto Machida (unless Anderson is secretly a piss drinker himself)...
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by The American Ronin on Oct 8, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Jones is crazy as in crazy good….he freakin ragdolls Silva and hurts him badly on the ground. Don’t even think for second Bones doesn’t take this to the ground…Jackson gameplan FTW.
The more you drive, the less intelligent you are.
With as sloppy as Jones can get standing though,
I wouldnt be surprised if Anderson moved in and out and tagged him up bad, while avoiding the takedowns for a bit.
As far as the ground, yeah. He could rough Silva up. But he’d need to tighten his jits alil bit more first, cause that arm he left out there for Vera during there fight would be something Anderson jumps on.
LMAO!!...........
On the ground he has SO MANY holes in his game…..leaving arms in the wrong places, head positioning, Anderson would sub this kid on the ground. If you watch any of his fights Jones leaves his self exposed to damn near EVERY submission in the world.
Someone please shut this kid's jaw.
He’s disrespecting Anderson Silva. Seniority and respect might not be such a big deal in MMA, but it should be implied.
He’s a student of the game and Anderson is a master.
Humble my ass.
exactly
Beating gates keepers doesn’t put you on Anderson’s level.
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by the-gentle-way on Oct 8, 2010 1:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed
Amazing how many people have written Anderson off since the Sonnen fight.
by CaptainKneebar on Oct 8, 2010 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions
So what you're say ing is...
…you have respect, you don’t lose your teeth? ;)
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I don't get it
He’s not saying anything derogatory about Anderson at all. He’s simply stating that he feels that he could beat him.
Should Jones be devoid of confidence? “Naw, I think Anderson would destroy me”. Is that the answer a professional fighter should give? Should Jones be Pat Barry-lite?
Jones is not King fucking Mo. He’s not deriding Andersons skills, or legacy, or anything. He’s confident in his abilities. He’s saying that HE himself, after watching footage, feels that if he fought Anderson he would have an ADVANTAGE. He’s not saying he’d skullfuck Anderson then piss on his lifeless corpse.
Also, people hate on Silva pre and post Chael… now all of a sudden he’s the shit again? WTF? I don’t get MMA fans.
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Also, people hate on Silva pre and post Chael… now all of a sudden he’s the shit again? WTF? I don’t get MMA fans.
Funnily enough, most MMA fans actually hold different opinions from each other.
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by Drunken cutman on Oct 8, 2010 5:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I get that
Not sure why the sarcasm is needed… I understand the basic concept of differing opinons. But thanks for the primer?
I’m more so commenting on the MASSES of people throughout the MMA blogosphere jumping on the Chael bandwagon just because he trolls Silva, people dislike Silva, people want to see him lose etc. Throughout the course of those two months people trashed Silva so much.
And now all of a sudden Silva is you know, legit again. It’s weird. I don’t understand the flip-flopping of opinion that’s so prevalent with Anderson Silva.
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Hmmm
Am I the only one who thinks Mr. Jones the company UFC man is going to run into a wall at some point?
Anderson has a lot more heart and combat experience. Cage time is king.
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I hate it when people say shit like this.
They make perfect sense, and then have one little thing that just screams bullshit and invalidated their entire point. Like the earlier guy having all the points about Silva, and then going on about how Silva was definitely stronger than Jones.
I’m, of course, taking issue with “Anderson has a lot more heart.”
Yeah. OK.
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I think that he showed a lot of heart against Sonnen
However, we can hardly say if he has more or less than Jones.
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by Drunken cutman on Oct 8, 2010 5:29 AM EDT up reply actions
The point is...
Silva has been tested many many times, if it’s mental against fighters he thinks are beneath him, or against a guy like Sonnen where he lost 4 rounds. He’s also lost several times in different ways.
Jones is untested. We have no idea how he would handle a whole host of issues.
"One should always be cold minded and remember that a ridiculous incident may occur any time."
I know what the point is
However, we can hardly say if he has more or less than Jones.
Jones is untested. We have no idea how he would handle a whole host of issues.
So, we agree…
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by Drunken cutman on Oct 8, 2010 6:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't know if we agree.. do you think Jon Jones would win? Which is the ultimate goal here.
In my mind a fighter doesn’t have it until he shows it and I know Anderson does have it.
And if i was handicapping on that I would pick Anderson, because I’m going on a Known, known and not a known unknown.
There is no way in hell Jon Jones would have any advantage in a fight against Anderson.
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by VelociAldo on Oct 8, 2010 7:16 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Nice “known unknown” reference.
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by The Darkness on Oct 8, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Although I disagree that Jones wouldn’t have a massive “i’ll take this fight wherever I damn well please” advantage.
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by The Darkness on Oct 8, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree
The only potential issue imo with Jones is whether he has been appearing to leave himself exposed (Vera fight) mistakenly (and then recovered to take advantage of the attempt) or, perhaps more likely given his depth of study, it was something done intentionally to bait Vera.
Until he has someone with high level bjj on their back (like Shogun), I guess we will never really know.
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by The American Ronin on Oct 8, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
The problem for Anderson is
Jones has unknown unknowns as well, to continue your usage…my favorite quote of his “bad news never gets better with time…” Not much of a SecDef imo, but a hell of a quote machine!
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by The American Ronin on Oct 8, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know if we agree.. do you think Jon Jones would win? Which is the ultimate goal here.
I don’t think that he would win, but I’m far from certain on that.
I wasn’t actually ever arguing about whether or not Jones would beat Silva, or about what advantages he would have; I was simply making a statement about us not knowing the extent of Jones’ heart.
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by Drunken cutman on Oct 8, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
Jones may or may not have more, but Anderson epitomized Rudy T’s “heart of a champion” in that fight by weathering the hurricane and trusting that somehow, someway he would find a way to win.
And, FTR, rematch will go down much the same way – neither high level TDD nor effective sub defense can be mastered in a year.
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by The American Ronin on Oct 8, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats just like, your opinion man...
Maybe you don’t understand Silva, and that’s ok. Lots of intelligent people do.
At any rate, it doesn’t give you a right to call my comment bullshit because you think he has no Heart.
"One should always be cold minded and remember that a ridiculous incident may occur any time."
Where did I say he didn't have heart?
Where, in fact, did I say that he had less heart than Jones? Please show me. How are you going to insult my intelligence when you can’t even fucking read? You can’t say one has more heart than the other, is my singular point.
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I'm kinda with you here, James
The guy seems to miss the point a wee bit, which leads to confusion, and odd arguments.
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by Drunken cutman on Oct 8, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Can jones cut to 185 i don't think so with his frame and silva says he won't fight
at 205 so this is kinda of a mute point. personally i would rather see shogun-silva but that is just imo.
No way
Jones makes 185. Silva – Rua is my #1 fantasy fight in MMA right now…
Let Anderson and Lyoto switch dance partners – Anderson – Rua is great fight, and machida could make the easy cut to 185 and destroy Sonnen.
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by The American Ronin on Oct 8, 2010 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions
mute....
I don’t think that means what you think it means ;-)
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by the-gentle-way on Oct 8, 2010 1:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh man, people love calling someone full of hyper and cockiness when they believe in themself. Get real people, the guy simply has undying faith in his abilities. No one has given him any reason to do otherwise.
Anderson may be a little bit faster, but Jones is damned fast and his strength and wrestling more than make up for that. I’m not saying Jones takes it, but I don’t crucify him for believing in himself.
If
Jones fought Anderson he would have a significant reach advantage.. When has Anderson ever fought someone with that much of a reach advantege? Also if Chael could take Anderson down at will.. You’d better believe Bones who is much stronger than charl would take Anderson down with force.. And I bet would not get subbed. Stylistically this would be an awful matchup for Anderson. When have you ever seen someones eyesocket get broken in 4 places in a couple blows? Anderson would have nothing for Bones on the ground. His guard is most effective closed and that’s where bones is strongest.
by Pain on Oct 8, 2010 2:03 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Reach alone is useful when you need to take something from the upper shelf. Jones doesn’t know how to use his reach. If he would, had the timing, feeling of the distance, he’d jab the shit out of people, and stay perfectly safe on the outside…but…he doesn’t. He had something like 10 inches on JOB, and JOB was still able to land on Jones’ face.
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by dancingChicken on Oct 8, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
When Bones learns to use his reach, it’s going to be amazing to watch. He’ll have to change his nickname to MC Hammer, cause nobody’s touching him.
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Jones is a problem!!
But Anderson is the GOAT…I hope this fight doesn’t happen and Andy said he’s not leaving 185…but this would be a tuff one for the 35 year old spider cause Jones is hugeeee, very athletic, quick, and with a greg jackson game plan he’s very dangerous….but I’d never count the spider out of anything…that said I’d rather see him stay at 185 lol
by SkyIsTheLimit21 on Oct 8, 2010 2:07 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
jones is awesome
him vs silva is a coin toss and a amazing fight
i flipped heads, silva wins
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He said he would have an advantage, not the advantage. There’s a difference.
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by KGNLuc on Oct 8, 2010 2:21 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I’m glad someone else noticed this. Completely misleading title.
by Chelloveck on Oct 8, 2010 2:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The Jones backlash continues
It keeps growing, day by day, week by week
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What are these “Jon-Jones-Backlash”-postings about? Another “y’all racist and if he was white you’d kiss his ass”-theory as I’ve read in other forums?
To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.
by KGNLuc on Oct 8, 2010 2:40 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
jon jones ass is kissed bountifully (and rightfully so) allll over teh interwebz fren
i think this fight comes down to two things: Bones length & power advantages vs Anderson’s experience. Jones would manhandle Silva to and on the ground, but something leads me to believe that he’d make a mistake in the midst of what may be a mentally overwhelming situation for a 23 year old kid dominating the p4p king and get sub’d. That is, if they fought right now….couple of fights down the road….i dont know if anderson hangs with dude at all
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Anderson has length too.
I’ve always said that Bones is the “future Silva with wrestling”.
The thing about that fight is not only the experience factor you suggest, but also the accuracy at which Anderson connects on his variety of punches and kicks.
Jones has an array of kicks, but his accuracy is limited.
I would also question his endurance and his standup defense. (that’s not saying he does not have it; just have not seen enough of it)
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by ChicagoMarine on Oct 8, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Who said anything about racism?
I hate mofos like you that think there’s an ulterior motive to shit. It happens with every young prospect. Ain’t got shit to do with race. You’re projecting.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 8, 2010 4:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Let's not be hyperbolic there S.C.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 8, 2010 4:58 AM EDT up reply actions
You keep using that word. (Backlash) I don't think it means what you think it means.
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by James Brady on Oct 8, 2010 4:06 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
No, I don't think it means what YOU think it means
Backlash
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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 8, 2010 4:57 AM EDT up reply actions
You're overreacting pretty heavily to my reply.
And also missing the point entirely. But you can keep on with the rapid explanation for no reason, bruva.
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by James Brady on Oct 8, 2010 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
How is it that I am the only person to give your picture a rec? Oh and I do not mean to pry, but you don’t by any chance happen to have six fingers on your right hand?
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by keyboardwarrior on Oct 8, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
So pray tell, what was the point? To post a joke?
My post was a didactic one more than anything.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 8, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
You'll be OK. Take a less defensive stance, counter strikers can be annoying.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 8, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
You'll be OK.
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More like
The LeBron backlash imo, but I agree with you in principal here.
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by The American Ronin on Oct 8, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously what backlash are you talking about? I think people are just taken aback by this young prospect who is unproven against any top talent who was super humble now suddenly talking down disrespecting his opponets who are more proven than he is and telling people he’d have an advantage over arguably the best fighter on the planet
You’re making more of it than it really is
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Except he is not
Granted, much like the Bader op-ed, he was quoted to convey a specific angle, but within the context of either one he does not come off as arrogant or disrespectful.
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by The American Ronin on Oct 8, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Who has he disrespected?
People are nitpicking little comments he’s made and blowing them up. IT’s all paart of it.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 8, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Its like quoting the bible
You can make it say almost anything if context is completely ignored. I would certainly hope Jones is very confident, but I have read nothing in its proper context that could be construed as disrespectful to another fighter or overly full of himself.
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by The American Ronin on Oct 9, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Somewhere Coleko is smiling… or was that p123
Not that I condone facism or any ism for that matter. Isms are in my opinion, not good. A person shouldn't believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.
I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me". Good point there, after all he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. Wouldn't change the fact I have to bum rides off of people.
I agree with Jon Jones
He is a pretty smart guy so when he says he has studied Anderson Silva extensively, I agree he has AN advantage in that department. Anderson has been around much longer than he has obviously, so there will always be an advantage for a younger guy there.
Yeah but..
Jon Jones hasn’t fought anybody worth a damn….
I’d say Vera is his biggest win and Vera is shot.
I’m still not jumping on the Jon Jones dick sucking committee until he dominates a really good fighter.
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I'm not either
All he said is he has the advantage in one area, and I agree with that. I think this has been blown out of proportion by the misleading title to this article..
I would love to see this fight though!
by Chris P. Bacon on Oct 8, 2010 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions
The title of this article is incredibly misleading
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True
Jones never says he has an advantage over Anderson, which is what people are reading in to it.
The author is putting for the idea that his game planning and tape study would be his advantage…which is something Silva could do too.
"One should always be cold minded and remember that a ridiculous incident may occur any time."
Jones seems to be buying his own hype nowadays… hope that doesn’t stick.
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I don’t know why this bothers me but — “Jones would be slightly bigger,” Jones is way bigger than Silva. He’s 2" taller, has about a 7" reach advantage and probably would outweigh him by 15 lbs or more.
Silva would have a more than significant advantage on his feet however. While flashy and not bad, Jones’s striking doesn’t appear to be a strong point at this stage of his career. Nevertheless, Jones would be able to ground Silva and do whatever he wanted to him from there. Silva has too much heart to quit because an elbow breaks his face but he doesn’t have near the ground game to avoid significant getting slaughtered once Jones achieved top position.
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SMH.......all the weirdos who thinks jones owns him with just wrestling.........
On the ground he has SO MANY holes in his game…..leaving arms in the wrong places, head positioning, Anderson would sub this kid on the ground. If you watch any of his fights Jones leaves his self exposed to damn near EVERY submission in the world. I agree Jones wrestling is sick but that’s where it ends.
I think he would own him becuase his top game is better than Silva’s questionable guard. Sonnen, who doesn’t even look to pass was able to pass Silva’s guard fairly easily. Silva pulled off an awesome triangle / arm bar at the end given how banged up he was, but, after witnessing Silva’s laying on his back and getting punched in his face for approximately 20 minutes I find it a little incredible that anyone still thinks he has an elite game off his back, notwithstanding the hail mary sub at the end. Jones has now finished, in short order, two very good grapplers after taking them down (each of whom I’d favor to beat Silva in a grappling contest). Jones may not be perfect, but Silva, while wily, is not the stud he needs to be off his back to beat Jones (in all likelihood).
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he only passed when silva attempted a sub.
Its not like he was blowing through his guard.
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by the-gentle-way on Oct 8, 2010 10:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
In one case, IIRC, I think he was putting a beating on him in the first round and passed, although it appears that they didn’t give him credit for it because he didn’t establish position (which he’s not wont to do since he was just looking to beat on Silva from guard / half guard). He was passing to half-guard rather easily, which is where he wanted to be. I think Silva’s going to have a really tough time holding guard against someone with a great base who’s looking to pass, as Jones generally appears to be. Silva generally tries for stand ups which doesn’t work against someone who remains active. All that happens with that strategy is you lose rounds.
Both Maty and Vera have competed at the highest levels in no gi grappling tournaments and done reasonably well (although I don’t recall if they competed at the ADCC); they are both more accomplished grapplers than Silva, but your point about their skills off their back is well taken; I think Vera’s grappling game is generally considered very good even off his back.
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by The Darkness on Oct 8, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
vera is aight off his back. this is true. but still a wrestler at heart.
I just don’t think it would be a snuff film once it hits the ground.
I also think Bones should keep his mouth shut about things reguarding the p4p king. Reguardless of what he thinks about his chances. He went to decision with Bonnar, tossed hamil, broke Vera’s eye socket. That’s Not a bad start, and I like him…..But those guys aren’t the top of the food chain. Anderson has beaten one pride champ and 2 ufc champs by stoppage. Jon needs to get a belt before he starts spouting nonsense. IMHO. If he tried that spinning elbow on Anderson ,Anderson would remove bone’s soul on the spot.
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by the-gentle-way on Oct 8, 2010 11:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
he beat sonnen in a grappling contest :-)
And those "grapplers " he beat were wrestlers,not submission grapplers.A wrestler on his back is easier to beat than a bjj black belt.
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by the-gentle-way on Oct 8, 2010 10:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Retirement
This should be Silva’s Retirement fight when he decides he’s done. 1) He can go out with his middleweight belt intact. 2)if he wins he leaves as a bigger legend (a loss for Jones in this fight is really not all that bad if he puts on a great fight) 3) if he loses he is still champ and Jones becomes the AS slayer and makes his name even bigger.
In any case, the UFC would win.
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this is a great idea!
It would be awesome!!!
Even better if Jon had already won the 205 strap! Silva retires with two belts and legendary status!
Or gives jonny “the rub” if he loses.
You sir should replace Joe Silva!
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by the-gentle-way on Oct 8, 2010 11:37 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Homies...
Jumpshot Jones was just saying that he would have an advantage insofar as he has studied Silva’s career. He has been in the position to do that, while Silva has had less of an opportunity and less of a reason to do the same.
This is a layered statement which is sometimes made in such competitive fields. Yeah, he’s not coming out and saying Silva is the second coming and would surely defeat him, but at the same time, e’s actually showing respect. You just ain’t looking at it right.
Also...
I could dress this up as a theme borrowed from rap and make a million FanPosts about it, like some of you bastards did with Sonnen and professional wrestling. The connection is about as tenuous.
by Brent Ducharme on Oct 8, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Canibus/LL Cool J?
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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 8, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Good answer.
I was also thinking 50 Cent/Jay Z before white people started to like 50 – “If I shoot you, I’m famous – you shoot me, you’re brainless.”
See the possibilities? :o
by Brent Ducharme on Oct 8, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd hate this fight...
I like both fighters too much.
I like Fedor, it’s just his fans that are intolerable...and his management.
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