Is K-1 Going to Destroy Satoshi Ishii for a One Time Ratings Boost?
Jake Rossen talks about the solid TV ratings that Satoshi Ishii did at DREAM 16 and what it means for Japanese MMA:
Last weekend's Dream event from Tokyo pulled in an 11.9 rating that spun the needle to 18.1 for Satoshi Ishii's bout with Ikuhisa Minowa. Not bad for a fight that was put together at the last minute and couldn't benefit from a lot of media attention.
The numbers by no means take Dream off life support. FEG, the promotion's parent company, is still seeking a massive financial investment and there are anecdotal reports that fighters are being forced to wait for their fight purses. With the destruction of Pride and the faded skills of some of the sport's biggest draws overseas -- most notably Kazushi Sakuraba and Norifumi "Kid" Yamamoto -- Japan has suffered a steep decline in interest. It might turn out to be cyclical -- pro wrestling in the States has experienced some of the same decline and uptick -- or it might be an indication that only the biggest fights hold any appeal for viewers there.
Naturally a flash of success from a promising young talent means that FEG, the owners of DREAM and K-1, are looking at putting together a complete mismatch for Ishii's next fight. Ishii said after his DREAM.16 win over Minowaman that he wanted a K-1 fight against the legendary kickboxer Peter Aerts. With Aerts advancing in the K-1 Grand Prix, FEG officials are talking about Ishii against another kickboxing legend, Jerome Le Banner. Yes, they want to throw Ishii in against a man that former UFC champ Tim Sylvia has been ducking for years -- under MMA rules.
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From what I've heard, the Japanese ratings for the Final 16 were unimpressive so it makes sense to me that K-1 would throw together a fight like this for a ratings jump on the December show. A former Olympic gold medalist judoka vs. a K-1 superstar sounds like a slightly twisted, Japanese version of the boxing vs. MMA debacle known as Couture/Toney. Although UFC 118 didn't do the type of numbers the UFC expected, the Japanese market has been swayed to tune in to fights like this in the past much more notably than Americans.
I applaud Ishii's yearning to become a more well-rounded MMA fighter, but if he wants to go into K-1, call out Yusuke Fujimoto or Tsuyoshi Nakasako. Go up against an appropriate veteran opponent that has a longer stand-up background for you to test your skills against. If Satoshi Ishii fights Jerome Le Banner, Ewerton Teixeira, or Peter Aerts, he will be beaten badly and potentially brutally and I don't think many would disagree. If K-1 desperately wants this match-up, make it an openweight MMA fight and make it somewhat competitive.
This is exactly the kind of short term spectacle over sport thinking that brought Japanese MMA to its knees in the first place. Here's Ishii, a young kid with loads of athletic talent and incredible take down skills who needs to be brought along carefully, adding striking and improved ground fighting to his Judo game, probably should cut down to light heavyweight. Handled carefully he could be the first top ranked Japanese MMA fighter since the hey days of KID Yamamoto, Kazushi Sakuraba and Takanori Gomi.
Instead they're looking at giving him brain damage in a freak show fight against an aging veteran that will do nothing to build anything over the longer term.
Japan was MMA's biggest market from 1997 to 2007. Despite the growth of the U.S. scene, the collapse of the Japanese market leaves the sport basically treading water. If we truly want MMA to become a major world sport, it's critical that the Japanese fans come back.
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Dammit, Nate.
This sport has done anything but tread water since Zuffa bought PRIDE.
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I think what Nate is talking about is how the risk is spread. There are really only two major markets for mma; Japan and North America. if Japan is off the table then everything is dependent on the UFC (basically the only MMA promotion to the unwashed masses). That’s where treading water comes from, all of the sports eggs are in one basket. Even with the UFC doing great that’s still a pretty big risk.
As for Ishii, if they are going with a gimmick I was hoping for Asashoryu on NYE. Or how about Lashley or Kimbo? I could see either of those guys being big hits in Japan.
Well see, the thing is, I see an MMA market in the UK. I see a hungry one in Australia. I see an emerging (if challenged) one in Germany. The UFC is doing everything it can – to the point of airing PPVs mid-day and costing themselves buys – to create international markets in case the US market takes a shit. I’m not worried about it.
There are too many educated, dedicated fans willing to throw money at MMA for it to die again. Short of gov’t intervention, we’re going to be juuuuuuust fine.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 6, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm talking about in terms of world wide fans
we lose Japan which was at one time 50 to 60% of the market, all the growth in the U.S. just gets us back to where we were in 2005.
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We haven’t ‘lost’ Japan any more than than we ‘lost’ the North American market during the dark years. Japan is still there. It still has a thriving grass roots scene, and it always will. Just because major televised MMA takes a hit does not mean the sport is dead in Japan. It just means they are in the place that North America was back in the last 1990s.
Except that the sport never sold PPV buys in Japan, and those have nearly doubled since 2007.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 6, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
MMA fans in Japan are already here
The Nagoya’s venue was almost sold out and 18,1% on public television is excellent. Not enough to save FEG but good. Sasahara even considered an another DREAM event before NYE.
I agree.
I think the market is there, but it is just not big enough to support the salary and overhead that FEG is carrying. If FEG dies, another will rise up to take their place, just as we have seen happen time and time again in North America whenever a promotion keels over.
DREAM might be dead, but the Japanese market is not.
I thought Tim Sylvia calling out LeBanner was a hoax?
"Now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."
I hope so
Jerome would have Tim-shaped dents in his shins after that fight, and Sylvia would cease to exist.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 6, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t buy the ‘ducking’ talk though unless there is some evidence of Tim actually turning down fights. At the time Jerome started calling him out, Tim was under exclusive contract with Zuffa. Has FEG or someone else offered Tim a fight with LeBanner since he left the UFC? If not, I don’t think it is fair to claim he is ‘ducking’ him.
If its just a rating grab they are looking for, why not put together Ishii vs Saku?
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Ishii vs Sapp, sure the fight would have zero credibility but it is a ratings bonanza.
by who me on Oct 6, 2010 3:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And once again paying too much attention to ratings is idiotic
Run MMA like a business and it’ll run into the ground, run it like a sport and it’ll turn into big(ger) business with just a wee bit of patience.
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When your financial viability is directly tied to ratings and your ability to pay fighters is tied to your financial viability, then paying attention to ratings is anything but idiotic.
What is idiotic is to be so naive as to think that any professional sport isn’t a business first and sport second.
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"Don't pay *too much* attention" is not "don't pay attention"
And it’s not naivety to suggest that the matches you put on should be dictated much more by “sport” than by business or you lose everything. That’s not to say the business side doesn’t come into play, but the reason this thing is interesting is the competition. Running things like a business in the short term would be putting the Red Sox in the playoffs because the ratings would be great against the Yankees—-that’s the type of stupidity this sort of thing is.
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I heard some news about Van Damme fighting but this is never gonna happen and if it was to, not on the K-1 main show. He was supposed to face a thai but I don’t remember his name.
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With the power of Inoki's chin and Ishii's ear combined...
"Now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."
At some point
Ishii has to get a better grip on his career. Is he just mindlessly saying “yes” to these kinds of fights?
Well didn't Ishii he wants to fight in the UFC?
Could be their way of breaking his dream :/
Has nobody seen LeBanner in the last few fights?
I think he’s shot. He’s got a look in his eyes like the fire is more or less out.

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