For Heavyweights Outside the UFC, MMA Is a Muddle
Big round up of news involving heavyweights outside the UFC. First up is the "Fedor-slayer" Fabricio Werdum whose camp is talking about his returning to action in early 2011 and has some clear ideas about who they wants to face. MMA Weekly talks to Werdum's manager Richard Wilner:
"Be it against Alistair (Overeem) for the belt, although Fabricio's already beaten Alistair, so some may see that as a step back, although Alistair is a completely different fighter now. By step back, we absolutely mean no disrespect to Alistair, we just mean that they fought before and while it was a long time ago, I don't even know if it would be considered a rematch, but if it was considered a rematch there's one guy out there that's arguably deserving of a rematch more than Alistair, and that's Fedor (Emelianenko)," Wilner said.
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"No disrespect to Josh (Barnett), he's a great competitor, and we know him well, but it makes no sense for us or for Strikeforce as an organization for Josh to be able to step right in and fight Fabricio. He needs to earn that right."
So essentially, Werdum doesn't pick his opponents as long as he gets to fight Fedor next.
Then there's the prodigal Strikeforce heavyweight champ Alistair Overeem, who's done so well so far in K-1's Grand Prix this year that there is serious talk of him winning the whole thing. From Head Kick Legend:
Compare (Overeem vs Ben Edwards) to the first Hari fight, or the Teixeira slaughter last year, and you can see a more advanced display of technique from Overeem. And that makes him a huge threat to the nearly unstoppable champion Semmy Schilt. To beat Schilt, a fighter needs to combine the technical skills to land on Schilt, with the power and aggression to make those shots count. Last night, Overeem may have shown the exact combination of skills needed.
Naturally since Overeem and Schilt are teammates at Holland's Golden Glory Gym, Overeem opted to not fight Schilt in the next round. Only if both men make the finals will they meet. See, kickboxing is a lot like MMA!
Then we've got the case of poor Antonio "Big Foot" Silva who had been expected to face Overeem's brother Valentijn at Strikeforce's December show. MMA Junkie reports that Strikeforce CEO Scott Coker has nixed that bout. Josh Barnett would be the logical opponent, but this being Strikeforce, don't hold your breath.
Now we get to the even less sound footing of a heavyweight MMA career outside Strikeforce. Here's Ben Fowlkes talking to Todd Duffee about the getting cut by the UFC experience:
As for Duffee, he's not entirely sure what he wants to do now. He's reluctant to enter a long-term contract with any other organization, and yet he wants to fight as much as possible in the coming year.
Perhaps the hardest part, he said, are those awkward conversations with strangers on airplanes or at parties. At some point, it's inevitable that someone will ask him what he does for a living. That's when he has to tell people that he used to be a UFC fighter.
"I'm back to where it's kind of hard to admit that I'm a fighter. When I finally made it into the UFC, all the people who thought I was stupid for pursuing this sort of shut up about it. You could tell people, 'I'm in the UFC.' Now I'm back to where I don't really want to tell people what I do."
Here's one bit of unsolicited career advice for Mr. Duffee: don't sign any contracts with Bellator without talking to Dave "Pee Wee" Herman first. Not only did Herman have to engage in a protracted legal battle when he alleged Bellator didn't fulfill their contractual obligations, they then prevented him from fighting elsewhere. As a final kick in the teeth, the settlement fight that they gave him at Bellator 31 was on the unaired undercard. There is video of Herman's fight with Michal Kita in the full entry. It's kind of sad to see Herman's corner unfurl his sponsorship banner knowing that he had to give them all their money back when the fight didn't air.
But for his part, Herman holds no grudges, from our own Jonathan Snowden's interview with Herman:
"After this fight I should be free. I wouldn't mind fighting for Bellator again after this on a single bout basis if they want me back. Any time a fight opportunity comes up, I'd like to take advantage of it. Hopefully this won't be my last fight for Bellator," the fighter ironically nicknamed "Pee Wee said. "...I don't really hold a grudge. Once everything is worked out I'm happy. They're happy. Hopefully everything will be good."
Between Strikeforce's disorganization and Bellator's onerous contractual requirements, I would not care to be a heavyweight MMA fighter who is outside the UFC looking in.
Contrast the situation of Dave Herman or Shane Del Rosario or even proven stars like Alistair Overeem and Antonio Silva with the lots of UFC fighters Brendan Schaub and Shane Carwin. Instead of wondering if and when he'll fight next and whether anyone will see it, Schaub knows that if he gets past formidable UFC gatekeeper Gabriel Gonzaga, he's in the title picture. Carwin doesn't know who he'll be facing in his next fight, but he knows it will be on one of the biggest PPV events of the year and that if he wins, he'll be only one more fight away from a title shot.
Meanwhile, I predict that Scott Coker will have to call in Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to get the Fedor/Overeem/Werdum situation negotiated.
Watch Dave Herman win a fight with an omaplata in the full entry.
Here's the entire unaired undercard from Bellator 31. Dave Herman's omaplata submission win is the second fight (starts about 5 minutes in):
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“He needs to earn that right.”
Sorry, Werdum is not that special. I’m still far more interested in who Fedor fights next than Werdum. Werdum’s manager acts as if there are a number of options in Strikeforce. Get real.
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by VeeisAnimated on Oct 5, 2010 2:17 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Oooooooh
Decision wins over Mike Kyle and Antonio Silva and a submission over Fedor, and now Werdum thinks he should be picking his opponents?
The Overeem fight was over four years ago. I honestly think that Overeem would absolutely obliterate Werdum now.
Get rid of the ramp!
by ihateemo on Oct 5, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I fux with you but Werdum defeated Kyle via submission . . . but he’s still special.
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by VeeisAnimated on Oct 5, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Senior moment
Thanks for the correction!
Submitting Mike Kyle still nothing to be proud of, IMO.
Get rid of the ramp!
SF HWs
I think it can be argued that Strikeforce has the strongest HW division in MMA. The only difference with SF is that recently its best HW’s haven’t been getting a lot of action. They’ve had a bunch of major signings recently, only deepening their pool of fighters. I would expect to see some solid HW matchups in the near future under that banner. I really want to see Overeem in the cage again soon, probably against Werdum. But of course I want to see Fedor as well.
they have a great division under contract
getting any 2 of them in the cage at the same time has proven very difficult.
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by Nate Wilcox on Oct 5, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
UFC HWs are going to be very muddled in a few months as well.
After Cain and JDS get their shots… who’s next? Somehow they sold us Roy Nelson as a worldbeater after TUF wins and Struve. Who comes next? You start hitting names like Gonzaga, Kongo, and Rothwell really fast. Do we really believe that Brendan Schaub is a world class MMA fighter already, or will be in 12 months? Or that Mitrione has significant upside? Or will they try to sell us a reanimated corpse of a former champion as a real challenger again (Big Nog, Mir, Cro Cop)? The best prospects they have are LHWs. So… what now?
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by pdl on Oct 5, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
And that's the point
I want to root for StrikeForce, but I have to first see a match or two or three.
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by VeeisAnimated on Oct 5, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Errr, reply fail
Eh?
Somehow they sold us Roy Nelson as a worldbeater
Who made that statement? Definitively KOing Struve and Schaub never made Nelson a “world beater”, but he certainly put up a tough fight against dos Santos.
Get rid of the ramp!
Don't worry.
When pdl watches Nelson fight on Spike they send him an extra special feed with “World Beater” flashed on his T.V. subliminally.
by Crazynutts on Oct 5, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
He was in a #1 contenders fight
and the story was that he could expose JDS’s ground game. One win away from a title shot counts means he was being sold as an elite fighter.
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by pdl on Oct 5, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Watch yourself, some one will argue Lesnar a 6-1 fighter is ranked #1. Why #1, I don’t know. Why is Werdum ranked above Dos Santos, I don’t know?
Hey Bas Ruten feels Overeem is #1. So I guess we’re all entitled to our opinions. In the end, I think you have a good point.
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by VeeisAnimated on Oct 5, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I would take Overeem over Lesnar any day
Overeem is vastly, vastly more experienced than Lesnar, and has a more solid stand up game. Lesnar is a physical freak with a lot of wrestling talent, but his striking is lackluster, and his sub game I would argue, isn’t as good as Overeem’s.
As for Dos Santos, I don’t really have a thought on his ranking behind Werdum.
cue in sarcasm with twisted facts
But you’re forgetting one important thing about Brock Lesnar. He fights for Zufffa.
- He has the whole Brocktober.
- He defeated Randy Couture . . . who pretty much got beat by Brandon Vera, I’m just saying.
- and, and, he beat Frank Murrr . . . (who incidentally defeated him) but Lesnar’s victory was in UFC 100, so that’s more special.
- and he defended his title against Carwin . . . who incidentally beat his ass in the 1st round.
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by VeeisAnimated on Oct 5, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not trying to discount his victories. I’m just sayin compared to the other heavyweights in MMA, I find his #1 ranking questionable.
He defeated Shane Carwin but what do I think will happen during their rematch? Let’s just say the match will start standing and Carwin doesn’t have to worry about lactic-supercalifragilisticexpialidocious-acid getting in his way in the 1st round.
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by VeeisAnimated on Oct 5, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
So who do you have as #1?
Werdum, Overeem, Fedor or somebody else?
If you dont belive Brock is #1 that’s fine but I’d rather people say who they think is #1 and why instead of just going Brock is 5-1 and his wins mean nothing.
It’s like politics. Anymore it’s not about why person a should be president it’s about why person b doesnt deserve to be president.
1. Fedor.
2. Overeem . . . I’m kind of cooky like that because I’m factoring in his K-1 awesomeness. I know it is not applicable.
3. Velasquez and JDS. - I had Carwin above Lesnar but then Lactic-acid issues proved me wrong, sprinkled in with some Brazilian jiu-jitsu.
4. Brock (?)
Question, who’s the best lightweight in the UFC? Until Frankie Edgar can defeat Gray Maynard, I’ll give him the recognition.
This is just my personal bullsh*t.
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by VeeisAnimated on Oct 5, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I thought he beat Gray Maynard but it doesn’t matter, some one is always trying to hold a Diaz brother behind.
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by VeeisAnimated on Oct 5, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
It is usually
the brothers themselves. I would like to see Nate hold a title in the UFC, just always figured Nick would have been the 1st.
If Maynard wins and Nate does get to fight him, I would put some cash on Nate. Nicks progress has been decent in SF lately. I think the shaved skull and the minimal weight cut has helped. Nicks cardio, ground game and striking have always been good, he just needs a year with Lesnar in cold as hell east bumfuck.
What HW has a better, more impressive record in MMA over the last 2 years?
If you are going to look back 5 years ago, sure, Fedor is your man. And Chuck, Shogun, Wandy, Hughes, Couture, etc. But in today’s mma world, Lesnar is #1.
Certainly not Fedor, Carwin, Overeem, Werdum, JDS, Cain nor anyone else have a better record over that time. Granted its somewhat by default that he is at #1, but he didn’t have the sort of fights against nobodies before coming to the big leagues that most guys have.
Had he come into the UFC at say 8-0 against nobodies like Carwin did, would people feel better about him?
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by The American Ronin on Oct 6, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Overeem has 17 legit submission victories, including Vitor Belfort and Igor Vovchanchyn.
I don’t think there’s an argument as to who has the better sub game.
But!
Overeem hasn’t faced top MMA competition in a long time, partly due to Strikeforce dicking around with this Fedor nonsense and partly due to K-1 being his obvious priority (and K-1 doesn’t count toward his MMA ranking IMO).
To say he’s faced Mir twice, Herring, Couture, Carwin and beaten them all, as well as taking on Velasquez at the end of the month, I’d say he’s a clear number one. He’s fought nothing but top contenders who were all ranked top 5 at the time (with the exception of Herring).
Get rid of the ramp!
I laugh and think of Werdum TKFO’d, with his big ears still wiggling at Dos Santos’s feet every time I see a ranking with Werdum ahead of JDS.
I love JDS. I think he will be the top guy eventually. He did knock Werdum out, Werdum was nowhere near the shape he needed to be for that fight and it was kinda BS that he was put in it in the first place. That said, Werdum has beaten lots of top guys, including a man who was basically undefeated for a decade and was the #1 HW. That means a lot and that is why he is ranked higher.
He is ranked higher due to the MMA Fedor effect
And nothing else. No one seriously thought he had a chance the first fight, and no one thinks he will in a rematch. He is a very good fighter, but not top-5 by any stretch.
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by The American Ronin on Oct 6, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
the funniest thing is
Strikeforce’s strongest division is also its least satisfying to the fans.
They operate in a crazy bizarro world where up is down and nothing is as it seems.
Overeem is the Winner
Why?
While Strikeforce goes through their personal ups and downs and they’re unable to secure an opponent for whatever reason, I’m not placing blame. He gets to compete, albeit not in MMA and get paid. Good luck securing the K-1 Grand Prix championship.
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I think Overeem is the best HW in the world, period. So with that in mind, I’d bet on him in any matchup against any other SF fighters. It also means I’m excited to see him in K-1, because he’s just fun to watch. But, as the SF HW champ, right now Werdum is the only one who’s earned a shot at him. Before anyone else fights him for the belt, they need to go through the ranks. If Fedor/Overeem happens, which is a possibility, it should be as an exhibition match only.
Ridiculous
I think Overeem is the best HW in the world
Based on what? Wins over Fujita and Rogers. Please, come back to earth.
As far as Reem and the HW belt it might as well be one that you pick up a Toys R Us. He defended it once in three years. It’s a joke. Werdum is the symbolic champ of Strikeforce’s HW division.
We don’t agree on much, but we do agree on this. How in the fuck is the guy who beat Fedor not your champion. So goes SF and M1.
Absolutely. Reem should have been stripped of the belt in the fall of last year and Fedor/Rogers should have been for the SF championship. It would have been the logical solution. Oh, wait, Strikeforce. D’oh.
Just wait
for Barnett to lose his tune up match. He will get an instant title shot.
Wait...what?!?
Overeem should have been stripped because Strikeforce couldn’t find him anyone to fight, or he was injured? Or you mean when Fedor wouldn’t fight him because he was “unworthy” or whatever the fuck it was, so another guy coming off a loss had to fight for the title?
The only fights that make sense if Strikeforce is going to pretend to be run like a real org is the winner of the last #1 contender fight (Werdum – Fedor) faces Overeem as originally planned.
I don’t really see a need to have Fedor fall further down the ladder now, he and Barnett can be the next #1 contender fight, with the winner getting Overeem (after he beats Werdum).
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by The American Ronin on Oct 6, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
dave hermans a free agent now?
would like to see him vs stefan struve in the UFC
We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!
Would be nice if they would just shut up and fight.
Not a lot of options. Overeem, Bigfoot, Barnett, Fedor, Werdum are the only “legit” ones out there. F the posturing and get in the cage/ring already.
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I totally agree but let’s be clear about one small thing . . . there’s a lot of posturing, and behind the scenes manuvers, and injuries in the UFC to get the best possible fights that also stalls certain matches.
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by VeeisAnimated on Oct 5, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
meh
they seem to do a fairly decent job of getting their top 7 or so fighters working pretty often. Lesnar, Carwin, Cain, JDS, Mir, Nelson, Nog… If memory serves, those 7 fighters have had 15 fights in the past year and the number goes up if you exclude Nog and Lesnar, who were out and only had 1 each (13 fights amongst 5). Not to mention that a lot of them have been amongst each other (Nog/JDS, Carwin/Mir, Nelson/JDS)
Compare that to the 5 I’ve named and you’ve only got 10 fights, with the only person fighting amongst each other being Werdum – wins over Bigfoot and Fedor.
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by Cory Braiterman on Oct 5, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
People don’t care about that because it happens behind the scenes, and Dana puts on enough fights and throws out enough bullshit to hide all of that stuff and keep it behind the scenes.
Strikeforce’s small number of events and Coker’s low profile hurt him in this regard. People want to talk about strikeforce, and lots of times this posturing is all that there is to talk about. There are other things to talk about if you want to talk about the UFC.
There are lots of options. Along with the fighters you mentioned there are guys like Kharitonov, lil’ Reem, Cormier, Del Rosario, Arlovski, Johnson. SF is top heavy and solid in their prospects. The middling guys that in the UFC are guys like Nog, Gabriel, Cro Cop SF has much fewer of. But there are plenty of options.
Lol at Overeem being a step back for werdum
‘he already beat overeem’ lol, you just know when ppl bring up those comments from fights 4yrs ago they got nothing going on.
by CVD on Oct 5, 2010 2:38 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
No reason for a Barnett/Silva fight to make it to the December card.
Silva said he would fight anyone SF asked him to and Josh is anxious to get back in the ring. Just book it, Scott, for crying out loud.
I don't think Overeem and Semmy actually train together...
they’re both Golden Glory guys, but Overeem fights out of their Amsterdam gym whereas Semmy trains in Zuidlaren (I think).
Plus, Golden Glory guys have fought one another before so I can’t imagine it being that different here.
Heavyweight’s always been weird TBH. When you have guys with that much power, you always tend to have a couple of guys hanging around the top ten who won’t be there for long, once their comparative lack of skill is exposed.
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." - Jack Dempsey
Overeem and Semmy are on the same team but different camps. This is according to the Overeem K-1 promotional put out the other day.
Yeah. I don’t think that played a factor at all when Overeem chose Spong instead of Schilt, he simply chose the easier opponent. I don’t think anyone would choose Schilt, if they had any other options.. teams played no part in that decision there.
by Horselover Fat on Oct 6, 2010 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Naturally since Overeem and Schilt are teammates at Holland’s Golden Glory Gym, Overeem opted to not fight Schilt in the next round.
More like because it would be stupid to fight a monster like Semmy in the first round when you could get yourself an easier opponent…
SF need to get their act together with their matchmaking; if they can actually get things rolling a bit better they’ve got a HW division that has the potential to be as good as (better than?) the UFCs. There’s absolutely no reason they shouldn’t be a great place for non UFC hw’s to be, it’s just all needlessly tangled and confusing right now.
by Superstitiousmma on Oct 5, 2010 3:10 PM EDT reply actions
I wish the UFC can do to SF what they did to Pride.
All fighters should be under one promotion. Besides, the UFC actually manages to make their fighters fight, and not just fucking show them off.
It seems as though the whole heavyweight division is in some kind of messed up confused bundle. The number one ranked fighter only has like 6 fights, the one with the most potential is fighting in k1, the legend got defeated by some guy who no one honestly believes to be anywhere near the best. It’s getting annoying.
Fedor vs Overeem
Its the only HW fight SF has that we really want to see.
Make it happen so they can get out of SF and fight some real opponents
The SF HW division is like Boxing, there is a lot of talent and good fights, but good luck getting the right people in the cage at the right time. That is why UFC is so far ahead of them and will stay that way. Don’t think young prospects like Del Rosario, and Cormier aren’t noticing this stuff, and those guys won’t be locked into champions clauses when their contracts are up.
I think Duffee just needs to go out and prove he can stay healthy, and mature a little bit (his attitude seems to be the reason he got cut more than anything) and get 2-3 wins and he’ll be back in UFC. He should be trying to get fights with guys like Buentello, Rizzo, Ricco Rodriguez, or other prospects like Justin Wren, and Dave Herman. A call to Shark Fights would probably be good. I’d love to see UFC sign Dave Herman, i think he would be a great addition to the UFC HW division.
M1's influence is showing...
By step back, we absolutely mean no disrespect to Alistair, we just mean that they fought before and while it was a long time ago, I don’t even know if it would be considered a rematch, but if it was considered a rematch there’s one guy out there that’s arguably deserving of a rematch more than Alistair, and that’s Fedor (Emelianenko)," Wilner said.
This sounds like something M1’s Evgeni Kogan would say.
IMO Overeem would beat Werdum silly.
by higgledy-piggledy on Oct 5, 2010 4:05 PM EDT reply actions
Between Strikeforce’s disorganization and Bellator’s onerous contractual requirements, I would not care to be a heavyweight MMA fighter who is outside the UFC looking in.
If only someone had relayed this to Fedor last summer.
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UFC heavyweight division and what they are doing:
Pat Barry (broke hand and foot)
Joey Beltran (UFC 119)
Rob Broughton (UFC 120)
Travis Browne (UFC 120)
Shane Carwin (UFC 125)
Mirko Cro Cop (UFC 119)
Junior Dos Santos (awaiting title shot)
Gabriel Gonzaga (UFC 121)
Heath Herring (acting)
Mark Hunt (UFC 119)
Cheick Kongo (UFC 120)
Brock Lesnar (UFC 121)
Jon Madsen (UFC 121)
Sean McCorkle (UFC 119)
James McSweeney (UFC 120 at LH)
Frank Mir (UFC 119)
Matt Mitrione (UFC 119)
Christian Morecraft (UFC 117)
Roy Nelson (injured, UFC 125?)
Minotauro Nogueira (injured)
Anthony Perosh (coming off knee surgery)
Vinicius Queiroz (UFC 120)
Ben Rothwell (injured)
Mike Russow (injured)
Brendan Schaub (UFC 121)
Stefan Struve (UFC 117)
Chris Tuchscherer (UFC 116)
Cain Velasquez (UFC 121)
Gilbert Yvel (UFC 121)
The vast majority of guys are fighting soon or just fought recently and/or injured. Injuries do seem to be their biggest issue right now but there are quite a few good fights coming up.
And the same for Strikeforce:
Andrei Arlovski (Pulled out of K-1)
Josh Barnett (?)
Daniel Cormier (XMMA)
Shane Del Rosario (ShoMMA 9)
Fedor Emelianenko (?)
Chad Griggs (Houston)
Lavar Johnson (ShoMMA 7)
Sergei Kharitonov (?)
Mike Kyle (ShoMMA 9 at LH)
Bobby Lashley (Houston)
Lolohea Mahe (ShoMMA 9)
Alistair Overeem (K-1)
Valentijn Overeem (?)
Brett Rogers (Heavy Artillery)
Ray Sefo (K-1)
Antonio Silva (St. Louis vs TBA)
Hershel Walker (St. Louis vs TBA)
Fabricio Werdum (injured)
No clue what anyone is doing in Strikeforce, heck the two guys who do have upcoming Strikeforce fights still don’t have opponents. Regardless if you think Strikeforce has a better heavyweight division or not it’s hard to deny the utter mess at booking fights they have.
Nope
Then we’ve got the case of poor Antonio “Big Foot” Silva who had been expected to face Overeem’s brother Valentijn at Strikeforce’s December show. MMA Junkie reports that Strikeforce CEO Scott Coker has nixed that bout. Josh Barnett would be the logical opponent, but this being Strikeforce, don’t hold your breath.
But, did you really want to see him face Vaelntijn? I think Bigfoot will face someone in December and I would prefer it to be Barnett or Kharitonov. I think they need to get Kharitonov in the mix since he is one of the quality fighters that has beaten Alistair at HW.
Kharitonov has only fought twice since 2007, I would prefer Barnett but at this point I would be happy with Del Rosario. Kharintonov needs to work his way back into regular fighting, there has to be ring rust issues there.
Definitely. But, he was lights out at K-1 this past weekend against Sato. Just destroyed him. But, that is not MMA. (someone tell Bas Rutten that please) Del Rosario would be a blast. Like you said, anyone at this point. I just want Kharitonov back in the mix in 2011 because he has some history with the current batch of SF HW’s.
Bas has apparently forgotten about Fedor vs Schilt, K-1 is great and MMA is great but they are two very different sports. Kharitonov has been too up and down for my taste but he should fit in good with what Strikeforce has to offer, I’d like to see them book him against someone like Arlovski or one of the up and coming guys to see where he stands in 2010.
Yeah, Kharitonov is like a box of chocolates. It might be cool to see Ishii make a US debut against him. I want to see him over here as soon as possible as well.
Ishii may of made a big mistake in passing on TUF. The Kimbo season got huge coverage and there were plenty of guys he could of looked good against in that group. Japanese MMA seems to be drying up and he’s talking about wanting to move to LA anyway, Strikeforce would be a good fit for him.
If Ishii had not performed well on TUF (and this would have almost been a given), his career on both sides of the Pacific would have been essentially shot down before it began. He didn’t do terribly well in his debut in Japan, losing a close fight to Fujita, and recently only barely got past Minowaman. Should he drastically improve, he still could come over to the UFC as a fresh face, and otherwise he’ll still be enough of a name for a while to get fights on major Japanese cards, getting relatively easy opponents or at least opponent at about his level. He certainly wouldn’t get many easy opponents in the UFC. He made the right decision due to his lack of experience.
I want to point out
That Overeem opted not to fight Schilt in the Final 8 because Semmy Schilt is really, really good.
Overeem can demolish Spong and he knows it. He has a much better chance of beating Schilt after he has been through two fights.
Also, Semmy trains in a different gym, country even. They have the same management, but I’ve broached the topic with Boon and he is 100% behind his fighters fighting each other.
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