The Week in Quotes: September 26th to October 2nd
by Mike Fagan on Oct 4, 2010 5:00 PM EDT
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YET, I MAY DISLIKE THIS GUY LESS THAN THE DUDE IN THE TAPOUT COWBOY HAT
"[Donald Cerrone] set MMA back about 10 years [with his comments]." - Jamie Varner. WEC 51 opponent Donald Cerrone, in an interview, said he hoped to kill Varner in the cage. (MMA Fighting)
"I mean, people, outsiders, who don't really know the sport, they have this common misconception that we're all just a bunch of neanderthals and barbarians, but there are a lot of us that are educated, well-spoken, well-mannered, well-tempered human beings." - Varner
"It's just retarded. He's like an uneducated hillbilly." - Varner, leading by example - only two slurs!
"I'd have them fight every show, the way these guys fight." - WEC General Manager Reed Harris (MMA Fighting)
BLACK HOLE SONNEN
"I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt." - Anderson Silva, on Chael Sonnen's positive steroid test. (Portal do Vale Tudo)
"Even with Anderson hurt and Sonnen doped, Anderson still defeated him. God is just." - Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira. I didn't know God was a self-righterous sports reporter. (Sherdog)
"That's not a surprise. Not that [Chael Sonnen] was on steroids; but all these guys are on steroids." - Nate Diaz (The Fight Network)
WHERE IN THE WORLD IS FEDOR EMELIANENKO?
"I have said many times that I have nothing to do with match-making. Right now, Strikeforce is struggling to find me a serious opponent." - Fedor Emelianenko (Mixfight.ru)
"Alistair Overeem keeps finding all sorts of excuses not to fight me." - Emelianenko. The same Alistair Overeem who has been calling you out for the last two years?
"Werdum [is] out with injury, we still [wanted] to fight Fedor, but he refuses. Then when we finally decided to participate in K-1 and make the news official, M-1/Fedor wants to fight Overeem 2 days after Alistair and GG make an official statement that he will fight in the K-1 WGP." - Golden Glory manager Bas Boon, whose use of "GG" as an abbreviation makes me think of G.G. Allin. (MMA Torch)
BLAH BLAH WRESTLING BLAH BLAH JUDGING BLAH BLAH
"I feel pretty robbed, but whenever you leave it to the judges anything can happen. So I really can't complain too much." - Evan Dunham. No, Evan, you can complain all you want. (MMA News Leak)
"When it comes to scoring, who did more damage on the opponent, I think it was me." - Antonio Rogerio Nogueira, who lost to Ryan Bader by unanimous decision at UFC 119. (Tatame)
"They worship a lot the takedowns, but the guys don’t do much on the floor and don’t even try to submit or knock us out." - Nogueira. Try getting up.
WHITE NOISE
"To talk the stuff he does, and then fight like he fought, that’s a little frustrating." - UFC President Dana White, on Frank Mir's performance against Mirko Filipovic at UFC 119. (Figure Four Online)
"Once Cro Cop stuffed his takedown attempt, his heart fell on the floor." - White
"If Frank Mir can’t bully you, his heart shrinks to the size of the Grinch’s. If he can’t take you down, his heart shrinks to the size of a pea." - White, with an absolutely scathing criticism.
"You go to your job and don’t perform, what will happen? And when people say, `Hey, these guys put their lives on the line,’ that’s a crock of shit. This sport is so safe." - White, who said he would consider cutting Mir for continued underwhelming performances.
"These guys have chosen to be fighters. These guys aren’t going into Afghanistan. If they don’t want to do this, go out and get a real job." - White. Let's review. Get popped for steroids in a marquee title fight? You're a regular bloke with a family, and hey, these guys need to be able to do their jobs. Put on a rather pedestrian performance on a rather pedestrian card? Buck up, son.
PARTING SHOTS
"If they're comparing him to Anderson Silva, they should compare me with Fedor." - Manny Gamburyan, who also lost his last fight. (MMA Weekly)
"Why not go out and put on a [expletive] war and get knocked out?" - Jeremy Stephens, upset with the hit-and-run strategy implemented by Melvin Guillard at UFC 119. And now we know why Jeremy Stephens will never amount to anything in MMA. (Bloody Elbow)
"I'm completely open to fighting him." - Bobby Lashley, who was vehemently against a fight with Dave Bautista prior to being sent to the hospital by an unknown journeyman heavyweight. (World Wrestling Insanity)
"Can't comment on his jealousy. We're not too concerned about what Varner thinks." - Aaron Simpson, who left Arizona Combat Sports along with C.B. Dollaway and Ryan Bader, among others. (SBNation)
"[I]f you asked me now I would probably say that there's not - I mean, I have closer friends, we're not close - but there's not anything I wouldn't do for Matt Hughes if he asked me." - B.J. Penn (Fighter's Only)
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STAND CLEAR, AMERICANS INCOMING!!!
“They worship a lot the takedowns, but the guys don’t do much on the floor and don’t even try to submit or knock us out.” – Nogueira
Cool GG Allin reference!
Hopefully, non of the Golden Glory fighters will poop in front of the audience and kill themselves after the show with a heroin overdose.
I never expected to hear a GG reference, good one. I wouldn't even have got it if it weren't for Hank III
Drink to remember, drink to forget.
by doonerthesooner on Oct 4, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Props to you for the Hank III shout out! I used to live in Nashville and still have my promotional “Lovesick, Broke and Driftin’” book of matches.
That's badass,
His last two were just alright for the most part, now that he doens’t have a deal I think he’ll get back to stuff like Straight to Hell and my personal favorite mentioned above.
Punch, Fight, Fuck!
Drink to remember, drink to forget.
by doonerthesooner on Oct 4, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
GG ALLIN
GIRLS WHO EAT YOUR PEE & POO & GUYS WHO LIKE TO FUCK YOUR SHOE
"Live fast, die."
by Bonedoctor on Oct 4, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
And when people say, `Hey, these guys put their lives on the line,’ that’s a crock of shit. This sport is so safe."
It’s so safe, Dana wants his best friend Chuck Liddell to retire.
by KJ Gould on Oct 4, 2010 5:12 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Safe as in
not severely life threatening to the vast majority. Most sane people won’t lose 5 of their last 6 fights, being brutally KO’d or dropped/rocked in EVERY fight and still want to keep fighting.
CPG
It’s not initially life threatening with the way the rules and officiating are set, but we’ve yet to see the long term effects of full contact MMA. A lot of fighters are still looking to cause the brain concussion, lets not sugar coat it, and we know Dana White is more of a fan of fighters who trade in the pocket then those who stick and move. So yeah, fighters who play safe either on the feet or on the ground, it’s because the potential risk isn’t worth the small reward.
I know the sport isn't 100% safe
I mean, it’s the sport of fighting…it’s not going to NOT take it’s tolls…but when compared to fighting overseas, I think the context of the word ‘safe’ as it’s used here fits.
CPG
True, but I feel when Dana White brought up soldiers it was diversionary rather then apt for the conversation / argument.
I do get tired of hearing the ‘fighters put their lives on the line’ rhetoric though. Millions upon millions of regular Joe’s work dangerous jobs every day. Being a fighter is no more life threatening than being a construction worker or a truck driver.
by Steve4192 on Oct 4, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's not like
once you get taken down your body locks up…you can try to get up…and they can keep you down. Them keeping you down is a reactive offensive move to you trying to get up. Don’t complain because you can’t get them off by threatening with more submissions or strikes from the bottom…plenty of guys make it hell for anyone who takes them down.
I’m a big fan of Nog, but I don’t like to hear stuff that just basically amounts to ‘oh the judges like what he does more and that’s not fair’
Sorry, but someone taking someone else down, and keeping them there, and not letting them mount any good offense from the bottom doesn’t read as a 50/50 position to me.
CPG
taking someone else down, and keeping them there, and not letting them mount any good offense from the bottom doesn’t read as a 50/50 position to me.
Even if the guy on the bottom is keeping the top man from any good offense? Seems like the definition of a 50/50 to me.
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
But still
the guy on top is still keeping the other down, while the guy on bottom is NOT getting the guy on top to stop keeping him down…to say it’s 50/50 when one guy is at minimum holding the other guy down while that guy doesn’t want to be down just feels like flawed logic to me.
CPG
’you’re holding me here, I don’t want to be here, but because neither of us are throwing big strikes or going for subs, you holding me here doesn’t count as you doing anything’
I think I get the line of thinking now.
CPG
Are we forgetting
that Nog did get up after pretty much every takedown, I think with only one takedown was Bader able to hold him down for a substantial amount of time.
West coast sucks a dick. 2Pac had nothing on Big and Easy E and Magic Johnson got HIV cause West Coast broads are dirty as hell. I wish I was from New Jersey because the shitty bagels and pizza I have out here are making my butthole bleed.
He also stuffed a bunch of shots, thus dictating where the fight was supposed to take place…
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
I wonder if judging could be made clearer by defining some simple situations
… and specifying how these would be scored, as a baseline… then within these rules the judges make their interpretations accordingly. At least this way the fighters know what scores and what doesn’t.
Some rough examples:
1) Standup round. Equal number of insignificant punches traded. The one guy knocks the other down with a hard strike. = 10-9 to the guy who knocks the other down
2) Same as above, but 2 knockdowns for the better fighter = 10-8
3) Same as above, but 3+ knockdowns for the better fighter = 10-7
In #1-#3, a visibly rocking strike could potentially be counted as a knockdown… e.g. if the receiver of the strike looked very groggy/unstable afterward
4) No significant strikes, 1-2 soft takedowns, no real action on the ground = 10-9 to the person delivering takedowns
5) As above, but 2 takedowns were big slams delivering significant damage = 10-8
6) As above, but 3+ big takedowns and significant GNP. = 10-7
Something like that is what I would like to see, clearly specified for all to access on the UFC site, and on a reference card that the judges use at fights.
The scoring system allows 10-7s but you never see them, and rarely 10-8s. I believe if the judges actually used these scores, rather than mostly giving 10-9s, you’d eliminate most of the effect of different points of view, and the consensus would more accurately reflect who did better in the fight.
I also think that there should be provision for “overall” tilt, e.g. where a judge can assess that a fighter deserves an extra point or two for overall better performance across the entire fight. An example might be:
Rd 1) almost even, except one guy takes the other down softly. 10-9
Rd 2) same as rd 1, 10-9
At this point, no damage has been done, but one guy scored a little better due to a soft takedown, so he’s 20-18; a commanding lead.
Rd 3) the losing fighter goes for broke and rocks the other guy badly, scoring a knockdown and delivering many big strikes… towards the end of the round, he locks in a hard submission but the other guy is saved by the bell. Judges score this 8-10
Total, 28-28 draw.
However, overall, the judges feel that the one who delivered significant damage (fighter B) in rd 3 should win. Each of them gives that guy a point, so he takes the fight 28-29.
How would this work if judges scored differently and perhaps, badly?
Imagine that Judge Peoples (just to pull out a name at random) scored this:
1) 10-9
2) 9-10 (noting that the close rounds are the ones that can easily go either way)
3) 8-10
And he adds the bonus point because he feels Fighter B really dominated. The score is therefore 27-30 to Fighter B. No problem there.
What if Peoples thinks, despite the obvious 3rd round domination of B, that no bonus point was warranted? Worse, what if he doesn’t like giving 10-8s?
so he scores it 10-9, 10-9, 9-10… with A winning it 29-28.
If the other two judges score it 28-29 as above, B still wins a unanimous decision.
It would take TWO judges to be pro-“A” heavily to swing it.
With 3 judges there, you’d hope that doesn’t happen too often if the result is obvious.
I’m sure there are better examples to use but that’s what I thought of off the top of my head…
There was a system similar in principle to this...
PRIDE
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Oct 5, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
judges determine their scoring based on style of the fight using the set of rules they are given
CompuStrike, or whatever system you care to reference, scores the ACTUAL offense inflicted by both opponents during a fight.
2 judges + 1 robot = fair(er) match scoring…i’d rather see a draw than 1 fighter getting ripped off like Evan or Lil Nog
Who's the only one here who knows illegal ninja moves from the government?
If the point of a fight is to inflict damage, and the top man isn’t doing any damage, why would he want to be grounded anymore than the top fighter. But this whole argument has been beaten to death, you’re not going to convince me, and I’m not going to convince you.
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
I know
I was just saying my piece…by no means was it a blowout, it was a very close fight, but I thought Bader clearly edged it. Each to his own though.
CPG
Dana’s doing what a lot of coaches would do. Call out a guy in the press and try to light a fire under his ass. He seems juvenile to the naked eye, but the mans not dumb.
If you want to hear my opinion on Les Miles go to BJPenn.com.
Dana's not a fucking coach
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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 4, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
This
David Stern doesn’t go on ESPN shouting about how the Celtics need to get their shit together because they are playing like a bunch of old bitches.
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
He most certainly is
It’s not his title or anything but he promotes the nba all the time. Listen to some interviews he’s done. Best of the commissioners at it, imo.
"Nothing's ever what it seems. And even if it is, ends justify means." -Matt Good
by KingBrody on Oct 5, 2010 8:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Dana’s doing what a lot of coaches Al Davis would do. Call out a guy in the press and try to light a fire under his ass. He seems juvenile to the naked eye, but the mans not dumb.
Better?
If you want to hear my opinion on Les Miles go to BJPenn.com.
by DayGeaux on Oct 4, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
There's a reason why the Raiders constantly suck
"Boy you got me confused with a man who 'peats himself"
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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 4, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just really didn't care for the way Dana approached this at all
like other fighters haven’t had underwhelming performances before, especially after talking a big game in advance. All the sudden after one lackluster fight there needs to be talk of cutting guys? I know Dana says he was misquoted, but to even bring up the idea in the first place on his end is just plain silly. And why does Mirko seem to get a pass while Frank apparently takes the full blame.
West coast sucks a dick. 2Pac had nothing on Big and Easy E and Magic Johnson got HIV cause West Coast broads are dirty as hell. I wish I was from New Jersey because the shitty bagels and pizza I have out here are making my butthole bleed.
Seriously
And Mir has held a lot of weight for the UFC since his comeback. The Lesanar fights were huge, he sold the fuck out of a Kongo fight, gave them a season of TUF and a great underdog performance against Nog, and inadvertently gave them a huge fight between Carwin and Lesnar. Give the guy a pass Dana.
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
I didn’t think it was a good approach either (you guys take things too seriously). Dana was trying to save face with the fans. If he really felt that way he should’ve told that to Mir back stage. And Dana would never cut Mir. That’s all talk.
If you want to hear my opinion on Les Miles go to BJPenn.com.
Oh I realize it's Dana trying to be a good ol' boy to the fans
that doesn’t excuse the fact that it all still sounds asinine. And of course he talks big like this to the press but not to the actual fighters themselves, that’s pretty much Dana’s MO.
West coast sucks a dick. 2Pac had nothing on Big and Easy E and Magic Johnson got HIV cause West Coast broads are dirty as hell. I wish I was from New Jersey because the shitty bagels and pizza I have out here are making my butthole bleed.
Thank you for pointing out Dana White's BULLSHIT about "families"
“These guys have chosen to be fighters. These guys aren’t going into Afghanistan. If they don’t want to do this, go out and get a real job.” – White. Let’s review. Get popped for steroids in a marquee title fight? You’re a regular bloke with a family, and hey, these guys need to be able to do their jobs. Put on a rather pedestrian performance on a rather pedestrian card? Buck up, son.
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“If they’re comparing him to Anderson Silva, they should compare me with Fedor.” – Manny Gamburyan, who also lost his last fight. (MMA Weekly)
I admit I laughed at that one.
Figuring out who to dislike more
In the Varner-Cerrone douchestakes makes my brain hurt.
/not fighter bashing.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
it's the age old Giant Douche vs. Turd Sandwich conundrum
/not fighter bashing
a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon
by eastcoastatlas on Oct 4, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
It's easy
Cerrone gets to nail Brittany Palmer every night. No matter what comes out of Varner’s mouth, Cerrone gets my ire first.
SO JEALOUS.
Get rid of the ramp!
by ihateemo on Oct 4, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That picture up top is awesome too
You can see the hate on Cerrone’ face and the fear and confusion on Varner’
Drink to remember, drink to forget.
And now we know why Jeremy Stephens will never amount to anything in MMA
Thats a bullshit statement Fagan and you know it. I think having 10 fights in the top MMA organization IS amounting to something. It’s a bigger accomplishment than a vast majority of any other pro fighters. He may never be champ but they put him on the main card because fans love him.
"I fight because I can’t sing, I can’t dance, and it beats working all day. Now ask me a question that doesn’t sound so fucking stupid." – Phil Baroni
by midwestbred on Oct 4, 2010 7:09 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I guess there’s a huge hate thread about this over at the UG?
I mean that Jeremy Stephens will never make big money, never get a title fight with that kind of attitude. Success is relative, of course. Having 10 UFC fights is definitely an accomplishment in its own right. I agree 100%.
Maybe I should have said “UFC” or “high level MMA.” The point I’m making is that if he’s more concerned about putting on a show than winning, he’ll never climb out of Contender Hell. He’ll always be that guy that the UFC uses for a fun fight. Just like Drew McFedries. Or James Irvin. Or any number of guys who will readily admit to just wanting to throw down.
Twitter: @Mike_Fagan_13
Just read the UG thread.
I’d be upset that they took my quote out of context, but the irony would be thick, no?
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hard to imagine a context where that is not very insulting to Stephens (’fans). Besides, fan favorites (which his current style enables him to be) often have long lucrative careers.
Your beliefs become your reality.
by Hardy's in your face on Oct 5, 2010 3:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Nogueira. Try getting up.
He did. In the second and third rounds, Nog was down for basically two seconds each time.
And then God created Saturn... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Twitter me and what not.
Nogueira. Try getting up.
“I make a get up more time than the Bader do this takes down.”
-Lil Nog
"Excuse me. I don't mean to impose... but I AM the ocean."
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