Anderson Silva: Chael Sonnen Never Deserved a Rematch
by Nick Thomas on Oct 4, 2010 7:33 AM EDT
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Print"(Chael Sonnen) stayed in the same position during all fight. If he couldn't win in 30 minutes with me injured, could he win in a rematch?"-- video via Sherdog
"It was carelessness on my part; my doctor gave me a earful for fighting with an injured rib."
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by mburtoni on Oct 4, 2010 8:15 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Anderson is a Jerk
He does this after every fight he struggles in. Hendo takes a round off of him and he goes on to say that Franklin was a tougher fight when he walked through him like a paper towel.
Now Chael roughs him up bad and he down plays his chances. Dude regardless of his health he wasn’t going to stop Chael’s take downs hes just not that good at wrestling. But lets discredit him and avoid a rematch in the future.
I still think he is a better fighter than those two mentioned but he doesn’t like tough fights.
Roman from South Jersey, here for two things chewing bubble gum and kicking ass and I'm all out of bubble gum!
I'm glad Silva won
I was cheering for Sonnen after the first round, but now that we know he was juicing, I am thank full Silva won. And, hey, it was an entertaining fight, wasn’t it?
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all the crap
Sonnen said before the fight, and Anderson is the Jerk??? your logic eludes me. The one thing you have to agree on though is Silva is right, Sonnen couldn’t end the fight in the 20 plus minutes of being on top, then he tapped, he doesn’t deserve the rematch, regardless of popping for roids.
Charm never discredited Andersons ability he just hyped a fight. Look at the Henderson fight and this and look at Andersons comments he sounds scared that is all I am saying. Even today he says Franklin was his toughest bout come on man lol
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by Roman727 on Oct 4, 2010 11:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
LOL
at sounding scared…
Also, he said Sakurai was his toughest fight (watch that fight, it’s understandable why he says that), not Franklin, he said Franklin was his second toughest fight, not the toughest. Also, they were both title fights where he was the challenger, that also might have something to do with it.
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
[Chael] never discredited Andersons ability he just hyped a fight.
He called him a “paper champion”, said he got his black belt in a Cracker Jack box, and several other things. Obviously he was hyping the fight but he did say those things.
by HarmlessNinja on Oct 4, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Sonnen couldn’t end the fight in the 20 plus minutes of being on top, then he tapped, he doesn’t deserve the rematch
Why not, this is a sport, finishing the opponent is not the only way to win.
"You should work for 15 minutes to knock your opponent out, submit him, or improve your position to give yourself the best chance of doing either." - Dan Hardy
i agree Roman
Silva doesnt want to fight chael again…he was beaten up by sonnen…anderson didnt have an answer until chael choked in the last 1.5 minutes of the fight
and i love the generic “all Brazilians are respectful” crap…did he ever see wandi’s behavior towards rampage during the pride days?
did you see Rampage's behavior towards Wandy during the Pride days?
responding to something isn’t the same as starting something. Now, that’s not to say that all Brazilians are respectful, just look at some of the Gracies, you could have used those as an example…
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
WHAO!
Renzo stomps on one dudes neck for no apparent reason after he chokes him to a tap and suddenly he is disrespectful???
I don’t see it . :-)
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
by the-gentle-way on Oct 4, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
haha
Renzo is fucking awesome, I meant other Gracies, Renzo can do no wrong!
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
Oh come on
can it really count as struggling when Hendo only won ONE round, and barely did anything btw.
West coast sucks a dick. 2Pac had nothing on Big and Easy E and Magic Johnson got HIV cause West Coast broads are dirty as hell. I wish I was from New Jersey because the shitty bagels and pizza I have out here are making my butthole bleed.
Methinks he doth protest too much.
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by JTho on Oct 4, 2010 8:17 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
At the five min. mark BJ Penn’s mom makes an appearance on Anderson’s behalf.
by JAYGK95 on Oct 4, 2010 8:30 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 4 recs
Logic. period.
Let’s move on. There’s a new challenger in Vitor Belfort.
A rematch would be cool but now Sonnen has a new challenge to deal with, illegal drug use allegations.
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VEe is ANIMated!
by VeeisAnimated on Oct 4, 2010 8:31 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
You damn right Silva
Chael talked all that shit (and hes still talkin shit) and said uncle on PPV…rematch was NEVER deserved BUT would of made a killing financially
Hopefully we can see Anderson knee Vitors face in, then distroy GSP, then move up to 205 and beat Shogun in prolly the Greatest Fight in UFC history
Then retire the G.O.A.T. and leave Dana with 3 vacant belts lol
gsp didn't say uncle
but you can think what ever you want. Don’t forget that Chael quit, GSP didn’t.
yes he did
To strikes actually ….. which many fighters (bj penn, Chuck Liddel ,etc.) consider a “bitch move”.
btw its “until” they get hit not untell.
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
by the-gentle-way on Oct 4, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I've heard BJ saying that as well...
I guess its less of a “bitch move” to just quit between rounds (and not because of serious injury).
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by The American Ronin on Oct 4, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you seriously think Anderson destroy's GSP?!?
While I don’t consider Sonnen any more than an old school wrestler, if nothing else was learned from the fight, we saw that Anderson is every bit as vulnerable to an elite MMA Wrestler as all of the other elite MT/BJJ guys who lack high level wrestling.
There is zero chance Anderson stuffs GSP’s shots, and almost zero chance GSP gets trapped in a submission. This would be a fun fight, but not so much for Anderson fans.
Anderson – Shogun on the other hand is the #1 fantasy fight for me currently. And, while he is doing that one, Machida actually cuts some weight and drops to MW to dominate Sonnen…just for grins.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Oct 4, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking the same thing. GSP is a freak. He surpasses Chael at every facet of the game, and he has great timing.
I think shogun would be Anderson too, especially because I feel his ground game is superior
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by sitnam90 on Oct 4, 2010 1:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sonnen is bigger and a more accomplished wrestler.
He is world class. Not college level!! world class! there is a difference.
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
by the-gentle-way on Oct 4, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
GSP has far better MMA wrestling credentials, which is what matters most. He never wrestled in college or even high school. Didn’t stop him from outwrestling a division littered with great wrestlers. Chael is a fantastic wrestler, but GSP’s strength is how he mixes it up. Both Chaell and GSP have great shots. But GSP can mix in a takedown right after a superman jab/leg kick combo. I think Chaels kickboxing isn’t too shabby but the way GSP can mix TD’s with striking is unique only to him
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by sitnam90 on Oct 4, 2010 2:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sonnen might well beat GSP in a pure Greco contest
But in MMA, GSP clowns him. Kos is a better MMA Wrestler than Sonnen is…
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Oct 4, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Sonnen would absolutely smash GSP in a Greco match. Also, Sonnen physically dominated two of the biggest strongest middle-weights in Okami and Marquardt (interesting to look back on now…hmmmmm). Basically what I’m saying is that the Chael’s size, strength and wrestling ability (combined with his singular focus on taking the fight to the ground) would definitely keep him from getting clowned by GSP.
"You should work for 15 minutes to knock your opponent out, submit him, or improve your position to give yourself the best chance of doing either." - Dan Hardy
Clowned might have been an overstatment
But Sonnen said he was 207 in the cage against Anderson. GSP was 193-195 in his last fight at WW, and would likely come in slightly heavier now, and with less of a weight cut.
GSP’s MMA wrestling is far beyond Sonnen’s, and he is much faster and more explosive than Sonnen. Can’t really see any realistic way Sonnen wins this one.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Oct 4, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
GSP’s speed advantage could definitely leave Chael in a lot of trouble but if he was able to wade through the Spider’s strikes to get the takedown I think he can do the same thing to hold GSP down (with a lot less threat of a sub from inside GSP’s guard).
"You should work for 15 minutes to knock your opponent out, submit him, or improve your position to give yourself the best chance of doing either." - Dan Hardy
He has neither the skill nor the speed
To take GSP down in an MMA fight.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Oct 4, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
GSP fans...
You tout the fact he never wrestled at all until he began MMA…which is the precise reason why he has NEITHER skill NOR the speed to a)avoid chaels tds & b) finish a tda on chael. GSP is outclassed in the wrestling department in this matchup, but because he is so much bigger and physically stronger than the guys in his weight class and uses this to dominant welterwight, everyone exclaims his “MMA wrestling is elite” All the dominating wrestling disappears when your boy moves up to middleweight. that is where the great wrestlers are in the UFC. Chael is too big and is truly elite in all levels of wrestling. All the wrestlers GSP has faced and outwrestled…none of them wrestled on an international level. thats world class, not D1 class. GSP is not strong enough or long enough to sprawl out of the relentless takedowns Chael comes at you with. And when GSP does set up the shot, cause he is fast. he would get the chance..Chael would muscle out of his shots either by tying him up coming in or sprawling/driving gsp’s head straight down into the canvas. they scramble from there, you say? Is that truly one of the “elite” parts of gsp’s mma wrestling, or is that pretty much never seen because of how he ragdolls guys smaller than him? Chael establishes control and keeps it. GSP has no chance here.
but gettting back on the topic of the post….. as a C.S. fan i didnt like his odds in an immediate rematch w/Silva for exactly the same reason. 23+ mins, no finish, sub’d. Fight your way back, bub.
And the PED bit is blatant liberal slander ;)
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Trane UFC for maximum death fighting abilities, brah.
That is pretty funny stuff...lulz
All the dominating wrestling disappears when your boy moves up to middleweight. that is where the great wrestlers are in the UFC.
Middleweight is the single weakest class in all of MMA for elite MMA wrestlers.
Chael is too big and is truly elite in all levels of wrestling.
Chael was near world class (Olympic alternate who lost in the trials) in greco, but never even a D-1 champ in freestyle, which contrary to Joe Rogan’s pronouncement, is far more useful in MMA. There are many MMA fighters currently with far better D-1 and international credentials than Sonnen – not that credentials mean anything when it comes to MMA.
but because he is so much bigger and physically stronger than the guys in his weight class and uses this to dominant welterwight, everyone exclaims his "MMA wrestling is elite"
He is similar in size to all the highest level WW’s, not sure where this comes from.
All the wrestlers GSP has faced and outwrestled…none of them wrestled on an international level. thats world class, not D1 class.
Josh Koscheck was a more decorated amateur wrestler than Sonnen, and GSP handled him just fine.
Look at guys like Askren, King Mo, or Cormier, and you will see guys with far better amateur careers (including international) than Sonnen had.
I like Sonnen to a degree, and he has very good wrestling for MMA. However, I will grant he is the best at 185, because it is a weak division for wrestling, but in MMA he gets outclassed by the best MMA wrestlers above and below his weight class (GSP, Shields, Kos, Jones, Davis, Bader), most of which (not Jones) could move up or down to MW and take him out.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Oct 5, 2010 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions
ive actually come away informed
as i thought chael was a freestyle wrestler in school, and i was talking about in the ufc not across the board in mma, which is why wrestlers in other weight classes from other organizations were not brought into consideration, originally. i appreciate the time you took to to dissect everything i said, but you completely strayed away from the topic. the comment was never “chael is the wrestler in mma” or anything close to that (because ben askren imo is the best). it was disputing gsp>chael, and as off base as some of my opinion may have been, i still see no evidence that gsp would outwrestle chael in your rebuttal. i see where some other guys WHO HAVE WRESTLED BEFORE, SUCCESSFULLY, AND FOR A LONG TIME might could, but nowhere anything about gsp being able to do so.
#9 has the most incredible 4 yard gain in the history of the NFL.
Trane UFC for maximum death fighting abilities, brah.
Anderson needs this rematch more than Chael does to prove he’s still really the best. He got beat down in that fight – there’s no denying that.
For people calling for Vitor – how about you tell me how many fights in the UFC he’s won at middleweight? Nuff said.
Anderson Chael needs this rematch more than Chael Anderson does to prove he’s still really the best. the steroids weren’t the only reason he excelled.
by truck on Oct 4, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Anderson’s image has been smashed. Even if he trounces Vitor, everyone is going to know what happens when Anderson fights a legit wrestler.
And the steroids had nothing to do with Anderson’s inability to stop Chael’s takedowns. No one could stop Chael’s takedowns before he tested positive, either.
I think I’m the only one who is totally indifferent to Chael’s testing positive. I assume all professional athletes take steroids. I was only upset that Chael got caught and suspended.
Blessed are the young, for they shall inherit the national debt.
Sonnen probably losses again, in much the same manner...
Sonnen is an old school wrestler who adapted it well for MMA, not a true MMA Wrestler. His total lack of submission defense coupled with his unwillingness or inability to consistently pass + his recurring brain farts = another sub loss.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Oct 4, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
He's basically a middleweight version of Mark Coleman
getting subbed in prided by Big Nog and Fedor, or anyone in his camp that ended getting subbed.
As far as I’m concerned he was hurt and fought a guy on roids. I’m not usually kind with Anderson, but for this one performance I’ll grant him the benefit of the doubt.
I'm a lover not a fighter
by spectaa on Oct 4, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Not to mention it now seems like he was inviting the takedowns to work a submission on behalf of the Noguieras.
I’m pretty sure in the rematch Anderson utilizes distance a little more effectively.
Don’t believe that. Anderson was doing everything possible to finish the fight standing.
"You should work for 15 minutes to knock your opponent out, submit him, or improve your position to give yourself the best chance of doing either." - Dan Hardy
Translation...
I’m so happy I don’t have to fight Chael Sonnen again.
by Razzel on Oct 4, 2010 9:12 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
Yea, cause Silva made Sonnen look terrible, right?
…oh wait
Don't gain the world and lose your soul, wisdom is better than silver or gold.
by nicey on Oct 4, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He kind of did
How many times has Chael been subbed? Doesn’t he you know, work on that?
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
Obviously not, judging from his track record.
Which is why I’d take Andy to win – again – in a rematch.
Regardless of the outcome, no one wants to take 23 minutes of beating when the other options are K.O.ing guys that will attempt to strike with you.
"You should work for 15 minutes to knock your opponent out, submit him, or improve your position to give yourself the best chance of doing either." - Dan Hardy
I think Silva used the submission not because Sonnen talked shit about Nog and he wanted to prove something, more like the triangle was just there and he took it. Had he been able to get the knockout punch I am sure he would have done that instead.
Stop making sense please.
It’s a much better story when everybody believes that he was more than willing to lay on his back knowing full well that he was going to get a submission to defend the honor of the Nogs. We all know that’s the truth, stop trying to feed us things that make sense!
by Empty Thoughts on Oct 4, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
You guys are blowing this thing out of proportion. Silva may have told Nog that he would submit Sonnen, that doesn’t mean that he wanted to stay on his back the full amount of the fight, I’m sure he didn’t, and the reason he stayed on the ground was because Chael Sonnen wanted the fight on the ground. Simple as that. But, because Chael Sonnen took him to the ground, and Silva submitted him, doesn’t negate that Silva told Nog he would submit him before the fight… You guys are reading too much into this as if only one claim negates the other.
Fact, Silva came in to the cage wearing a Gi.
Fact, Silva loves the Nogs
Fact, Chael spoke ill of the Nogs
Fact, Chael took Silva down
Fact, Silva submitted Chael
The above does not negate a possibility of Silva saying he was going to submit Chael before the fight. The above does not negate Silva saying he was going to take Chael down before the fight (Silva even said that Chael took him down and was in the best position throughout the fight, just couldn’t win). It’s possible that Silva told everything he says he did to Nog before the fight, he isn’t neglecting Chael’s performance of taking him to the ground and GnP’ng him, he even says in the interviews since the fight that Chael did a great job.
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
by Orcus on Oct 4, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Well now you are just calling Silva a liar. Can you not just take him at his word and drink the cool aid? Anderson Silva’s master plan in that fight was to submit Chael Sonnen at any and all costs.
by Empty Thoughts on Oct 4, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
not calling him a liar
He told Nog what he planned on doing. What actually happened isn’t exactly the same as he planed it (he even acknowledges this). He submitted Chael but not exactly like he planned it to happen (as in wait until the end of the fight to actually do it).
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
Babe Ruth laughes at you
/sarcasm on
by JAYGK95 on Oct 4, 2010 2:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
doesn't really say much to me
since I don’t know much of Babe Ruth :p
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
I somewhat apologize here.
Sorry bud, but I’m messing with you more than a little. Why? Because you are actually believing the stories that Silva is feeding as gospel. If I remember correctly then you are Brazilian and maybe that is why you believe it, or maybe you just think he is being truthful about it all. Personally I don’t for a second. If you really believe that Anderson planned on prolonging the fight to the last seconds before submitting Sonnen then I’m sure I can find some bridges to sell you.
The way I saw things was this. Anderson came into that fight looking to knock out Chael with an exclamation point. I’m sure he had hopes somewhere of possibly being able to submit Chael to make a point, but I’m also sure that actively going for a submission over standing wasn’t the game plan. If you watch the fight you can easily see how he comes out from the second on and tries to get that knock out above anything else. He could have cared less about a submission and it was only Chael being Chael that allowed him to finally get it.
Now people will argue that he came out in a gi (as you already have) and that is proof enough. No, that was just a sign of respect for the Nog brothers and a poke at Sonnen. The facts are that he got dominated by Sonnen until Sonnen did his usual botch job of leaving himself open for a submission. (much to my dismay obviously) He wants to downplay that now and all the respect that I gained for him during and after that fight is being pissed away now just like I expected.
by Empty Thoughts on Oct 4, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
The easiest way to tell a person without sense enough to make a argument?
They resort to insulting usernames. Using one like I have is basically just a early warning system. If somebody targets on it above anything else, then it’s a pretty clear indication that they won’t have anything to add to a discussion.
by Empty Thoughts on Oct 4, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Because you are actually believing the stories that Silva is feeding as gospel
what stories? I believe him when he says he told Nog he would get the submission, the fact that he got it doesn’t negate that. I believe him when he says he had a hurt rib. AS can be many things, but I never took him for a liar, therefore he is more credible to me than the troll he was fighting. I don’t believe Chael for example when he says Anderson told him in the middle of the fight that he had a hurt rib, because Chael is not credible by my standards.
you said:
If you really believe that Anderson planned on prolonging the fight to the last seconds before submitting Sonnen then I’m sure I can find some bridges to sell you
I said:
He submitted Chael but not exactly like he planned it to happen (as in wait until the end of the fight to actually do it).
If you watch the fight you can easily see how he comes out from the second on and tries to get that knock out above anything else
never said he didn’t…
Now people will argue that he came out in a gi (as you already have) and that is proof enough
I didn’t say it was proof, but it certainly makes an argument
No, that was just a sign of respect for the Nog brothers and a poke at Sonnen
a submission does that too…
you said:
The facts are that he got dominated by Sonnen until Sonnen did his usual botch job of leaving himself open for a submission|
I said (via Anderson):
It’s possible that Silva told everything he says he did to Nog before the fight, he isn’t neglecting Chael’s performance of taking him to the ground and GnP’ng him, he even says in the interviews since the fight that Chael did a great job.
He wants to downplay that now and all the respect that I gained for him during and after that fight is being pissed away now just like I expected.
I somehow don’t buy you ever had respect for the guy, just the troll he was fighting…
You have some reading comprehension problems Empty Thoughts, perhaps it’s time you fill that brain of yours with some education?
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
Uh oh
Cue the cries of a thousand outraged fans of MMA wrestling.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
But Sonnen doesn't deserve a rematch
There was no judging controversy like the Sherk\Dunham match.
Or the match being called for an illegal strike that didn’t happen like Cowboy\Varner.
Or an injury. Or any of those instances.
Sonnen got submitted. He lost. It doesn’t matter if he was winning 4 and 1\2 rounds. He tapped. End of story. This happens all the time in MMA and rematches are not given.
Hell Carwin was owning Lesnar before he got "caught". Has Dana offered him an immediate rematch? No.
Anderson is not wrong in saying that Sonnen did not deserve an immediate rematch. Dana was an idiot for offering it to him.
In hindsight he probably feels like a bigger idiot now, for offering it since Sonnen’s been busted for PEDs
by devious1 on Oct 4, 2010 11:34 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I think its more that there were no other more viable contenders rather than Chael deserved an immediate rematch based on the fight alone. Yeah he tapped, but Marquardt, Okami, and Belfort still realistically needed to get at least one more quality win before you’d like to see them challenge for the title.
this
right here. im still a fan of chael, but there was no reason to put him back in there immediately for the belt…
and as a chael sonnen fan, i think ultimately its a good thing he didnt hang on to win that night what with the allegations now…the ufc would be shatting breecks
#9 has the most incredible 4 yard gain in the history of the NFL.
Trane UFC for maximum death fighting abilities, brah.
Damn, Silva is doing a fine job of selling the rematch here...
The actual words he’s using just don’t make it seem so.
It's okay Andy
In the rematch, Chael’s gonna blackmail Anderson’s imaginary friend into getting in the cage to distract him.
by Polyhedron on Oct 4, 2010 12:28 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
"(Chael Sonnen) stayed in the same position during all fight. If he couldn't win in 30 minutes with me injured, could he win in a rematch?"
I don’t know. But I would have liked to have seen it, regardless.
Anderson is unbelievably hard to like
it’s kinda sick that i’m rather rooting for a racist/homophobe/redneck/steroid-using loudmouth than for him.
Go big red!
what has AS done that is so bad, really, for you to like a racist/homophobe/redneck/steroid-using loudmouth more than him?
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
He invented AIDS.
"...I don't want to save the World, I don't even want to save me. We're so boring that we don't event want to save ourselves...There's nothing left to say, we're so fucking boring. Let it die I say. Let there be a new beginning...It's awful. Goodnight"
by dancingChicken on Oct 4, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
ok, now I hate him too!
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
I like him
Your rooting for that type of person might say more about your character than Silva’s.
by bleve_ on Oct 4, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
truth
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
by the-gentle-way on Oct 4, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think Chael deserves a rematch.
I like Chael and i want to see it. But he did lose. The only reason people want to see a rematch is because Anderson has been untouchable in the UFC and no one has ever seen him like that besides the dan henderson fight for the first round. Chael should climb up the ladder just like everyone else.
Why doesn't Sonnen learn some Submissions? He is such a good wrestler, if he added a sub game, he really would be great.
In the Silva fight when he had Silva’s back, he tried to go for a RNC for a sec but that was it. He needs to take a hint from Matt Hughes.
I’m sure he’s trained for submissions but (and this is the same thing I tell people when you watch wrestlers who fall in love with their crappy boxing) you can’t learn enough in a couple of years of part time focus to compete with a guy who’s elite in an art and been practicing for their whole lives.
"You should work for 15 minutes to knock your opponent out, submit him, or improve your position to give yourself the best chance of doing either." - Dan Hardy
Chael Sonnen Sucks, wrestlers sucks, UFC rules suck
I mean he really did not couse harm to anderson in all 30 min, but Anderson in only 30 sec destroyed Chael’s face! Sonnen only chance was to win a boring wrestler fight, only olowed by the shity rules they use in UFC! If the fight was in Japan Anderson wold have won all rounds !
But its not Japan so I don't know where your going with this.
And Chael always gets cut. Anderson has thick skin or something because he’s never cut. but Chael did do way more damage to Andy. I like how he got that one punch when he punched anderson and his head bounced off the ground. haha
Silva is a tool
He didn’t even want to fight Sonnen cause Sonnen wasn’t afraid of him. He HAS been exposed- accept it. Everyone is bitching about the rules favoring wrestling and how that is what allowed Chael to hammer on silva for 23 mins but you know what? If that had been a prison fight with no rules, silva WOULD have been Sonnen’s BITCH
Prison fight"? More like "Sonnen would have been shanked in the shower first
If it’s a fight, you’re doing it wrong.
It wasn’t a prison fight, it was for the UFC Middleweight Championship… and Chael didn’t have the mental strength to not get his dumb ass subbed again. Anderson still has the belt and is not suspended… who’s the tool again?
silva is...
i thought you actually read my post. He’s talking shit now cause he knows he’s off the hook for the rematch. silva has been completely exposed and on top of that, he’s an ass
Unbelievable the logic of some people
so to you Chael can say all the messed up terrible shit he wants, then lose a fight, then get popped for steroids afterwards and that’s all fine. Anderson doesn’t say a single disrespectful thing about Chael before, comes back from major adversity to win the fight, and doesn’t even trash Sonnen for being popped, then he goes on to echo a sentiment that a lot of people agree with ABOUT A FIGHT HE WON and he is somehow the jerk to you in this situation. WHY, What the hell is so special to you about Chael Sonnen’s nuts that he can do no wrong, and Anderson can do no right?
West coast sucks a dick. 2Pac had nothing on Big and Easy E and Magic Johnson got HIV cause West Coast broads are dirty as hell. I wish I was from New Jersey because the shitty bagels and pizza I have out here are making my butthole bleed.
Damn bro...
Who did you lose a sig bet with, and over what?
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Oct 4, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Mitrione/Beltran
unfortunately thisredengine and his ridiculous belief in Mitrione’s abilities won him this round, but I’ll have my revenge.
West coast sucks a dick. 2Pac had nothing on Big and Easy E and Magic Johnson got HIV cause West Coast broads are dirty as hell. I wish I was from New Jersey because the shitty bagels and pizza I have out here are making my butthole bleed.
Look at the bright side
When you do win, his part of the world gives you a lot more ammo to work with…
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Oct 4, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
you can't be serious
after the way he’s behaved in the last several fights he’s lucky to even have a job. He’s a dickhead and that ‘s why everyone wants to watch him get destroyed. Tell me what are his redeeming qualities? He’s humble? Respectful to his opponents? Takes the risky fights? Embodies the true spirit of mma? HE’S AN IDIOT.
Redeeming qualities
well he’s an amazing fighter, and since his profession is fighting…yeah I think that covers it.
Seriously though, he’s not a child rapist, he’s a cocky athlete so what? And not everyone wants to see him get destroyed, only oddly irrational people like yourself.
West coast sucks a dick. 2Pac had nothing on Big and Easy E and Magic Johnson got HIV cause West Coast broads are dirty as hell. I wish I was from New Jersey because the shitty bagels and pizza I have out here are making my butthole bleed.
Oh I get it
being a good fighter is the only thing that matters. and bc I disagree with you, I am irrational. I guess the only opinion that matters is yours then, huh? I am sick of all the elitist chumps- Siva is a waste as a human being. Accept that.
Because he was exposed, this guy has to be the luckiest guy in the world I guess praying to all of those false idols actually worked.
He better keep hoping that he never comes accross Sonnen again in the cage because all the excuses and justifications that him and his fans use are full of crap. He knows it and they know it, they can try and spin it and be as deluded as they want but it doesn’t change how the fight went and how a rematch would go.
I just really get to do it one more time, there are just too many things left to settle after the first one.
"they mad at me, I keep going hard reppin/
cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
-Joe Budden (Something To Ride To)
http://www.zshare.net/audio/76866807deabe3c1/
He knows it and they know it, they can try and spin it and be as deluded as they want but it doesn’t change how the fight went and how a rematch would go.
I agree – a rematch would go almost identical to the first match. Sonnen would appear dominant while doing little real damage, only to be subbed before its over.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Oct 5, 2010 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The only reason the first fight was mildly entertaining.
Was because anderson silva was fighting and being “beaten”. The fight went just as Sonnens last boring fight with Mardquart (most exciting fight was Sonnen getting cut and almost sub’d). I’m glad there is no rematch, just after sonnen peed dirty, that alone should be reason for no rematch. If chael sonnen is the next coming of christ, like many on this site think, then he’ll fight his way back up through the ranks and get another shot, only if he conscientiously avoids talking trash to demian maia and where he got his mcdojo black belt.
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