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Bellator Releases Texts From Bjorn Rebney to Scott Coker

Bjorn Rebney.

Strikeforce CEO Scott Coker went on Sherdog Radio yesterday and denied having been contacted by Bellator CEO Bjorn Rebney in regards to potential cross-promotional fights. This was in response to Rebney's claims that he had been texting and phoning Coker to try to set up potential fights between the promotions' respective lightweight, welterweight and middleweight champs.

Today Bellator PR agency sent the following email and attached screen shots purporting to be texts from Rebney to Coker. MMA Torch posted the texts. They included versions showing Coker's number which I have independently confirmed. Here is the email:

An article ran earlier today in which Scott Coker denied the fact that Bjorn Rebney had reached out to him multiple times in an attempt to discuss setting up a super-fight between Bellator Champion Eddie Alvarez and Strikeforce Champion Gilbert Melendez.  This is inaccurate. 

I have attached four (4) recent text messages sent from Bjorn's cell phone to Scott Coker over just the last week regarding this matter.  The first set of attachments (1-4) reflects the accurate cell phone of Scott Coker and the second set of attachments (1.2-4.2) indicates Scott Coker's accurate name.  Bjorn has additionally called Scott and left a collection of voice mail messages in an attempt to schedule a meeting where they could discuss this fight that Gilbert Melendez (Strikeforce Champion) asked for.   You will see that each text message is sent to Scott's personal phone which you can confirm.  This is same number Bjorn Rebney used to reach Scott previously.

Additionally, as you are probably aware, Bjorn attempted to reach Scott for a 3 week period during the time when Gilbert had initially publicly called for this bout to occur on June 25, 2010.    

I have posted the screen grabs of the texts in the full entry. 

UPDATE: Strikeforce spokesman Mike Afromowitz informs me that Scott Coker no longer uses that phone number.

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I'm sorry.

Are we talking about the same Scott Coker here? You know, the same Scott Coker that is in a co-promotion from M-1 Global? Oh, and how about the Scott Coker that is in a Co-Promotion with Dream.

Are we talking about that Scott Coker or another one?

by Drew Hall on Oct 31, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Those are mutually beneficial relationships

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 31, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

ummm ya, that M-1 partnership has worked out REAL well for them

ill give you dream
melendez putting down aoki upped his stock (and in turn SF’s) dramatically
but a partnership with M-1 is about as mutually beneficial as testicular cancer

by fontgangsta on Oct 31, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Got them on CBS, despite all the other bullshit

Without Fedor, there’s not CBS.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 31, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Better to have loved and lost

than to never have loved at all

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 31, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Neither M-1 nor DREAM compete with Strikeforce in the North American market. That is why Coker is willing to co-promote with them and not Bellator.

by Steve4192 on Oct 31, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

This too

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 31, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ball's in your court, Coker

Make this shit happen, big boy!

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by Cory Braiterman on Oct 30, 2010 10:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Coker’s been in over his head since he decided to go after Fedor and compete with Zuffa.

by Rich Hansen on Oct 31, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Strikeforce HW div disagrees with you.

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by RolloTomasi on Oct 31, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, them.

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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 1, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rebney has a great business mind....

But I could see the Bellator guys winning all of those fight and that’d be bad for SF. As much as I want to see it, I doubt it will happen.

by esuohlliM on Oct 30, 2010 10:58 PM EDT reply actions  

“Rebney has a great business mind….”

I wouldn’t go that far.

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by Simco on Oct 31, 2010 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Eh…I like what he’s been doing, the tournaments, the fighters he’s been able to bring in, and how he’s open to co-promotion.

by esuohlliM on Oct 31, 2010 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Then you mean "Rebney has great ideas"

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 31, 2010 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

They need to do this.

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by xFenixKnightx on Oct 30, 2010 10:59 PM EDT reply actions  

go Bjorn!

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by TylerTreese on Oct 30, 2010 11:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Face plam

This is so childish. Either you can do business together or don’t. I don’t care who’s holding what up

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by SheepleBuster on Oct 30, 2010 11:02 PM EDT reply actions  

but

Scott has been going around talking about how he has been looking into this fight as well so he has been lying. and lying my friend is what is childish…

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by ADAMantium on Oct 30, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

one word for you

DANA! hello?!

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by SheepleBuster on Oct 30, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

let's stick to the subject though

Dana is not involved in this besides a chuckle as he views this all as some nice little entertainment.

The situation here is that Scott has said this is being worked on and he is looking into it. And now it seems as if nothing has been discussed except through the media as a mediator.

Really, I don’t want to place fault or anything but Bjorn has nothing to lose by doing this so it absolutely won’t hurt, whereas Scott will take some sort of damage regarding this, either by having his fighter(s) lose to Bellator if it happens or just bad publicity by not doing the show.

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by ADAMantium on Oct 30, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am sticking to the subject

Dana lies too. This is more childish. You see. All promoters lie. But to show these messages, and then we are going to have Scott showing his phone not receiving any of these, then they are gonna send their phone calls to AT&T or whoever about why the messages got lost, and then … I mean put this together already or die as a company so we can get all these super fights.

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by SheepleBuster on Oct 30, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

gotcha

i see what u mean.

sucks for scott because bjorn has absolutely nothing to lose from this

but scott is f’d in many ways

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by ADAMantium on Oct 30, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

Everyone I talked to expects Bellator to go down soon. Bjorn is risking now

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by SheepleBuster on Oct 30, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

C'mon now. Those can easily be faked

I can show screenshots of Coker’s true number (if I have it)

I can then show shots of Scott Coker in my contacts.

I can then even show shots of me sending texts to a contact of Scott Coker.

What I didn’t tell you is that I made another Scott Coker contact in the mean time so I could make it look like I send those to the real Scott Coker.

That also looks like a far cry from the “10-13 texts a day” Rebney says he was doing. If you have the guy’s number, call him. Show your call log. Something more than just 4-5 screenshots.

Even still, Coker don’t cave. You have hand. You have nothing to gain from this. Don’t let this bad businessman media bully you into something.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 30, 2010 11:04 PM EDT reply actions  

it won't matter

Unfortunately, one or both these companies will die eventually

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by SheepleBuster on Oct 30, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I read it correctly nate said

they included images of these texts w/ Coker’s #.

Not saying that they couldn’t have photoshopped these or whatever but Nate did enough research to say they are legit so I’m gonna guess they are legit

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by TylerTreese on Oct 30, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I trust Nate. Kid's work is top notch

I am saying I just don’t put any significance on all the drama. As Michael Savage says, it if happens, it happens. It if doesn’t happen, it doesn’t. One will die eventually.

And I am no fan of Michael

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by SheepleBuster on Oct 30, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

As far as I know, the screenshots with Coker's number did not include the message

Texts on Blackberries (which this phone is) do NOT include the number as part of the text if he is a contact.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 30, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is a

“show address” function they could have used to toggle back and forth between name and number to show what number it was really sent to…

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by The American Ronin on Oct 30, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

We don't know because the SShots weren't shown

I’d doubt that was the case though. I don’t believe trust Rebney.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 30, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shady as he sounds

Coker prolly has his number blocked…

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by The American Ronin on Oct 30, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

well. I wouldn't trust Scott Corker either.

I wonder. If Bjorn Borg is lying, how is this super fight gonna happen? Both sides need to join forces or die already

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by SheepleBuster on Oct 30, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Scott Coker has given me much much less reason to distrust him than most other MMA promoters

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 30, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

but he did give Brett Rogers a title shot after a loss to Fedor

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by SheepleBuster on Oct 30, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Randy Couture got a title shot after losing to Liddell and

not winning in that division in 6 years. At least Rogers was relevant.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 30, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

we got to disagree here.

Brett Rogers got destroyed by Overeem doing nothing. His only decent win was against Arlovski. I don’t know. I don’t like how Scott is after freakshows such as Bautista vs. Lashley. haha. I mean he is a nice person and all. But what’s next? Bobb Sapp vs. Herschel Walker?

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by SheepleBuster on Oct 30, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uh, the result of the fight doesn't matter

You’re disputing the legitimacy of the shot.

If I put Pat Barry in with Cain and he KO’s him, does that make the shot any more legitimate?

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 30, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

call me old school but

I don’t like freakshows. Even if I concede that point to you, Scott is way too much in love with freakshows. I get the limitations of StrikeForce. I get why scott does some of the things he does. I just don’t have to like it.

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by SheepleBuster on Oct 30, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Overeem vs Rogers isn't a freakshow

I dunno why you’d think so.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 30, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

um not that

Lashley vs. Bautista. Or Heshel Walker fighting anyone.

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by SheepleBuster on Oct 31, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

freakshows or not, the man has to do business as best he can. if you’re against Bautista or Walker fighting, blame the advertisers and viewers who are willing to see it. its not like they’re 15 year olds, they’re just past their prime but getting top exposure. if that keeps Coker doing better business than would Bigfoot v. Fedor, you can’t blame him for that.

by sBruce24 on Oct 31, 2010 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

I counter

Toney vs Couture at the expense of your LW belt

Kimbo vs anyone

At least Lashley vs Bautista is proposed and hasn’t happened. It’s actually a good way to get money out of a fighter (lashley) you’ve already signed who isn’t that good.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 31, 2010 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

At least with some realpolitik the Rogers fight made sense

The HW belt was worthless anyway and they knew it.

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by Symbul on Oct 30, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by FakeCokerSF on Oct 30, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hard to count

stuff at different weight classes. Losses at 170 or 265 when you are still a top ranked 155er or 205er doesn’t hurt your standing in that division.

Also rematches after controversial decisions don’t really count in the same way. Or a former champ coming out of retirement to challenge a champ in the way Couture did with Sylvia.

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by Chris Groves on Oct 30, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

They all have a reason for why it was “ok” for them to happen, even the Rogers fight (but most people tend to ignore/forget that). Just pointing out that they do happen in UFC too.

by FakeCokerSF on Oct 31, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep. Rogers got the title shot because he was promised it a year before and missed out when Overeem got hurt. He then stepped up and took on Fedor. Coker was playing nice by letting him keep his title shot when Overeem finally fought in the US.

by John Nash on Oct 31, 2010 12:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Randy Couture 4x

3 actually – the Rodriguez fight, Belfort the third time, and Tim Sylvia. He was already heavyweight champion before he lost to Valentijn Overeem in the Rings tourney.

Also, hard to count the third Belfort fight, since the second ended on a fluke cut to the eye lid 20 seconds into the first round. They really had no other choice but than to do that fight again ASAP. Also, the Rodriguez fight was comming off the loss to Barnett, where Barnett popped for roids and they stripped him of his belt. Randy and Ricco were the two top guys in the division at the time, so it only made sense to have them fight for the now vacant belt.

The only one that was the headscratcher was the shot at Tim Sylvia. Even then, it was a tough situation where the #1 contender in Brandon Vera was playing hardball and not taking the fight, and the only other fight available was Gabe Gonzaga, who had only fought on the main card once at that time (in a stinker of a match against Kevin Jordan).

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by Brian Mayes on Oct 31, 2010 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tough situation where the #1 contender in Fedor was playing hardball and not taking the fight and

the only other fight available was Werdum who was injured and no one else.

BTW, Crocop was available for that title shot.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 31, 2010 5:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Like I said above, they all have a reason for why it was "ok" for them to happen. None of them just happened without a reason to justify them, even the Rogers fight. I’m just pointing out that they do happen in UFC too.

by FakeCokerSF on Nov 2, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yup

I’d MUCH rather take Scott Coker’s word on something than Rebney’s.

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by ufc4 on Oct 30, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's how I felt until

I got sent the screenshots with his number and the texts.

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by Nate Wilcox on Oct 31, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

You mind passin those on

I’d like to take a look at them to be honest. There are ways to “send” texts.

And for people reading saying “why go through all that trouble” trust me, I’ve seen people do far worse for far less. DTCFDM

I’m still skeptical.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 31, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

sent

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by Nate Wilcox on Oct 31, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s obvious Rebney doesn’t really care about putting the fight together, because this is this exactly the opposite of what he should be doing. Look at Coker’s cooments:
“Bjorn’s saying he’s texting me 11, 12 times an hour. I’m not sure if he’s trying to be a level-five clinger or anything like that, but I haven’t received one text from the guy, I’m not sure what the motivation is, but maybe it’s just his way of staying in the media, staying in the press.”
“It’s very obvious to me he’s using the media as a platform to try to do his business, but that’s not how we’re going to do business, if he wants to do business, call me or fly out here, come sit down with me. If there’s a deal to be made, we’ll try to make it, but I’m not going to do it in the media.”
So to prove Coker wrong he shows 4 texts, when Coker was specific about not doing the deal in the public eye? Seems like he is more interested in the attention than the actual fight.

by John Nash on Oct 31, 2010 11:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Exactly, do you ask the girl to prom by texting her?

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 31, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

You think Coker is more interested in working with him now or less? I’m not sure what the end game of this move was besides being a dick and trying to make Coker look bad. This kind of stuff doesn’t make other business people want to partner up with you and put on a show it makes them wary of even taking your phone calls anymore.

by who me on Oct 31, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's basically what I just wrote on WKR

You think this helps or hurts? LOL. Fool ass Rebney.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 31, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

OMG Coker jst txt'd me like hes so dreamy ;P

Aparently Rebney is taking business advice from 15 year old girls now. It’s stunning in just how unprofessional this is.

by who me on Oct 31, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

He's being desperate bellator is dying off

I can’t even watch them on tv anymore 12am on a Thursday night?!? I don’t know bout most of you but I work for a living

by Papercut Elbow on Oct 31, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hell, they're always pre-empted aoround here

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 31, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was’t able to watch a single episode on Fox sports this season. The last episode was pre-empted for a pre-recorded high school football game here. That must be a horrible tv contract because they were hardly on tv.

by who me on Oct 31, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, high school football takes priority

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 31, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

It wasn’t even live high school football (which happens on Friday nights).

by who me on Oct 31, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL @ JV games getting priority over Bellator

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 31, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

they sent versions of each

text that showed the number. apparently on Rebney’s phone you can set a stored text to show either the name or the number of the recipient.

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by Nate Wilcox on Oct 31, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

On a BB? Hmm, I'll have to wait until the lady gets back with hers

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 31, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

You can, I assure you

Open the message and click the BB button then either “show name” or “show number”.

But I can send you a text to any # you choose, you tell me what date and time you want it sent, and I can show you a screenshot showing that. To the recipient, it shows up in real time, but for the sender it does not.

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by The American Ronin on Oct 31, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

When I did it on my girl's, it showed the number, but it had a +sign in front of it

That was for EVERY text.

Why no Plus sign?

Others can confirm with their Blackberrys.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 31, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mine does as well (BB 8520)

Not sure offhand if there is a way to have it not show the +.

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by The American Ronin on Oct 31, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can still be faked

I can put ‘John Doe’ in my phone with John Doe’s real number…do screen grabs of that to prove it’s the number and etc.

Then put in a fake number for John Doe, and send texts saying ‘come fight me at the local wal-mart or you are gay’ and then take screen grabs of that.

Then show them both together and be like ‘see, this is me with Doe’s real number, and thi is me sending texts to Doe’

It’s not impossible

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by Chris Groves on Oct 30, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly. You can go so far as to give someone TWO mobile numbers, one real and one fake

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 30, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can hace someone's number and not send messages to them

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 30, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can hace someone's number and not send messages to them

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 30, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why would you go through the trouble to do that when you could just send the texts at the time. How do you fake the time stamp in the header? If he didn’t fake that part and set up screen shots on multiple days just so he could show them later to make it look like he was contacting Coker why wouldn’t he actually contact him.

Whether they could be faked or not why wouldn’t Rebney be trying to get those fights set up. He has the most to gain from the co-promotion. He would most likely have 2-3 of his fighters win against their strikeforce counterparts if not all of them and he’d be able to be part of a PPV event he otherwise doesn’t have the star power to pull off.

by YoungGun on Oct 31, 2010 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because then you can't paint the other guy as a liar

As a person with a psycho ex (or three) in his past, I can tell you, people will do crazy shit.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 31, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

On a blackberry

The time stamp is childs play to change, not just to fake it, but to show it was actually sent to number X at time Y on date Z, no matter what it is. And it will stay in your history like that from then on.

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by The American Ronin on Oct 31, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. I was playin with my girl's shit last night to fake some shit

It’s very VERY possible

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 31, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

This is just making me think about how bad M-1 has been. I know they are still awful to work with, but maybe Coker is also a huge part of the scheduling problem. The more I hear about the guy, the more inclined I am to believe he has no idea what hes doing.

by AHutch on Oct 30, 2010 11:06 PM EDT reply actions  

being hesitant to put your top fighters and draws against a smaller, lesser known organization’s fighters, especially when they have a good chance at winning, is actually pretty logical. as much as I would like to see these fights as a fan, from a business perspective, I would have less faith in Coker’s abilities if he did make this happen right now. there’s no real upside for them unless Strikeforce can get the Bellator champs under non-exclusive contracts should they win.

by sBruce24 on Oct 31, 2010 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree about the non-exclusive contracts

And Coker needs to dictate which fights, maybe just 2 – Overeem – Konrad and Melendez – Alvarez. Overeem wins with relative ease, Melendez – Alvarez is close enough to risk with the exposure their HW champ gets in return.

Askren would easily beat Diaz, and Jacare – Lombard would be awesome, but I’m not certain how it plays out.

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by The American Ronin on Oct 31, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Had a feeling he was being honest

But for all we know, he put a friend’s number in his phone, labeled it Scott Coker, and sent these texts.

It’s not that hard to fake…but like I said before, I think Rebney is being legit in saying he wants to make these happen, because his guys have a very very real chance to beat the StrikeForce guys.

Thats why Rebney is mentioning Eddie, Askren, and Lombard. I don’t see him offering to have Konrad fight Overeem…because Overeem would almost definitely crush Konrad.

That being said, I’d love to see this happen, there are slim pickings for upper-ranked talent outside of the UFC, and they all get divied up between multiple promotions. The only way to put on fights that challenge as far as name and relevancy is to co-promote or do talent exchange

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by Chris Groves on Oct 30, 2010 11:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Konrad would walk through Overeem. Total style mismatch. Kickboxer against the best wrestler in the HW division. It would be 14:45 of Overeem on his back get blanketed. Don’t even want to see that as Konrad would smother the steroids-bloated Light Heavyweight. Stop hating on wrestlers and think it through. Kickboxers always get destroyed by wrestlers.

by aggieheaven on Oct 31, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

As an Ag myself

I can’t overly criticize this, but while Konrad might have the best wrestling credentials at HW, he is nowhere near the best mma wrestler at HW, and Overeem is far from just a kickboxer or a “steroids-bloated Light Heavyweight”…at this point in their respective mma careers, Konrad would have nothing for him.

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by The American Ronin on Oct 31, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

He doesn’t have to be accomplished to take Overeem. Alistair is an incomplete fighter and his record is case in point. He’s lost more fights than you can shake a stick at because he is incomplete. Konrad will take him done like he is not even standing there. He’ll press his 285 pounds of flesh on top of Overeem and he’ll be unable to get up. Overeem’s only chance is to catch Konrad with a knee as he comes in. While I enjoy Overeem very much, this is a style matchup in which he’ll be dominated. You got to get past the wrestling hating and think through the fight. Overeem would be pancaked to the canvas. Werdum and Fedor would smear Konrad, but not Overeem.

by aggieheaven on Oct 31, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ok Mama Konrad

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 31, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Had to go look it up

To make sure memory wasn’t making me talk out of my ass…

Of his 33 wins, 19 are via submission, 13 via ko/tko, and 1 via decision…

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by The American Ronin on Oct 31, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you have ever read my posts before,

You would know I am about as big of an MMA Wrestling mark as there is out there, prolly to the point of being annoying to most. But, we’re not talking a wrestling match, and we’re not talking about an elite mma wrestler like Cain. Konrad is slower, far less muscular, and carries far more body fat than he did when winning his titles.

Overeem, while you can’t altogether count (or discount) his fights at LHW, has 19 wins by submission, and is stronger, faster, and vastly more experienced than Konrad. I’d put my money on Overeem all day on that one.

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by The American Ronin on Oct 31, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stop, you’re killing me! I can’t breathe!

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by AJB on Oct 31, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEKGUhUzGuo

link to Coker previously denying getting the texts

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by DamnSevern on Oct 30, 2010 11:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Goddammit...

I knew those prank calls I made at Scott Coker posing as Bjorn would not end well…

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GO Armageddon!!!

by boxingmouse on Oct 30, 2010 11:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh snap

Mad childish though

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by Damon O. on Oct 30, 2010 11:09 PM EDT reply actions  

and since when what Jordan Breen says actually matters

Either this thing happens or it doesn’t. I don’t care what Coker says, what Bjorn Borg says. And certainly not what a radio host says.

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by SheepleBuster on Oct 30, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

So why are you here reading this?

Hey UFC4 go fuck yourself, how about that? Fucking punk, I was just asking for the source that says lesnar gets 5 mill a fight, it’s obvious one does not exist. Bunch of gabronis on a site pulling figures out of your ass.
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by ufc4 on Oct 30, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am sorry

I didn’t mean to be rude to you :) I just despise Jordan Breen and all his drama. My apologies to you sir.

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by SheepleBuster on Oct 30, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very funny. haha

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by SheepleBuster on Oct 30, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

No problem. It’s not that I give his opinion anymore credibility than anyone else, I just thought it was a funny comment because I was thinking the same thing. Rebney seems like enough of a creep that they don’t need to show him sending stalker messages.

Hey UFC4 go fuck yourself, how about that? Fucking punk, I was just asking for the source that says lesnar gets 5 mill a fight, it’s obvious one does not exist. Bunch of gabronis on a site pulling figures out of your ass.
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by ufc4 on Oct 30, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

He is a promoter. All these promoters have some issues

boxing ones call MMA gay. MMA ones disrespect fans, lie, and say all kinds of BS. I just wasn’t trying to be a dick or anything

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by SheepleBuster on Oct 30, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

but disparaging or playing down the competition’s product is a lot different than killing their dog with a spike.

by sBruce24 on Oct 31, 2010 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

totally agree with you about jordan breen. He’s got the maturity of a five year old and has a bromance crush on Dana White. One thing he is not an objective voice. He’s Dana White’s little bitch.

by aggieheaven on Oct 31, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

He had a dog killed?!?!?!?!?!

Fuck Bjorn sorry Bellator just lost a viewer hope all the fighters move to Strikeforce or the UFC

by Papercut Elbow on Oct 31, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

fore reals, or for fakes?

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by Snatchl on Oct 31, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Scott needs to hire Heyman

Simply to cut a promo full of balding voice cracking fury on how much of a scumbag Bjorn is. No way in hell Scott would speak up to this guy.

by WallenStahl on Oct 30, 2010 11:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Scott Coker needs to...

just come out and say “we’re not doing it” otherwise this is just going to get messy.

I wonder what Gil thinks of the fact that his boss isn’t actively pursuing something that he wants to do…

I guess the Bellator v Strikeforce card ideas must be in a lost box of paper work along with multiple fighters’ contracts that they seem to never get work for like Siyar and others.

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by ADAMantium on Oct 30, 2010 11:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Who gives a fuck what he feels? It's his boss. LOL.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 30, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah but

it’s not like he works at K-Mart or that he is a “permanent” employee.

When his contract expires, I’m sure he will have this in his mind.

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by ADAMantium on Oct 30, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s stuck with a champions clause. When his contract expires, Strikeforce can simply extend it.

by Steve4192 on Oct 31, 2010 7:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, that worked out well for Sheilds.

I don’t think that Strikeforce has the same Championship clause as the UFC or even Bellator.

by Fedorable on Oct 31, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Shields didnt have one but Gilbert does, however you’re right in that it’s not the same clause Zuffa uses.

Strikeforce can extend the existing contract one time for a year and a certain amount of fights so if Gilbert wants to go to the UFC he’d have to get through a one year extension of his current contract which is already up otherwise he’d just sign a new contract and stay with strikeforce beyond that.

He might have that clause taken out in the new contract but then Strikeforce will want him to sign a 6 fight/2 and a half year deal essentially coming out to the same thing.

Bellator has more strict clauses but Eddie Alvarez isnt on one of those. I think he has 1 or 2 fights left.

Overeem doesnt have to worry about the champs clause.

by mmalogic on Oct 31, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

How certain are you

that Overeem is not bound by a champion’s clause?

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by The American Ronin on Oct 31, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Overeem is on a contract that he signed back when Strikeforce was a regional organization everyone jizzed themselves over for supposedly doing all the right things. Ergo, it isn’t going to have exclusivity clauses and champion’s clauses. What it probably does have is rights to Overeem’s MMA bouts in North America. When they book him stateside now, they probably have to drop off a bunch of undeclared cash to him in addition to whatever his contract states.

by VirtualBalboa on Oct 31, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

back when Strikeforce was a regional organization everyone jizzed themselves over for supposedly doing all the right things.

Those were the days, man.

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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 31, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wanted to get paid more but my boss isn’t actively pursuing it, fucking asshole.

Hey UFC4 go fuck yourself, how about that? Fucking punk, I was just asking for the source that says lesnar gets 5 mill a fight, it’s obvious one does not exist. Bunch of gabronis on a site pulling figures out of your ass.
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by ufc4 on Oct 30, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

but not really too parallel with this…

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by ADAMantium on Oct 30, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably about

the same thing Randy thought of Dana when he was trying to fight Fedor…and with just about the same level of “I don’t give a shit” by their respective bosses…

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by The American Ronin on Oct 30, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

true

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by ADAMantium on Oct 30, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man I was gonna post this same shit, but decided against it

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 30, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Scott Coker needs to..." stop waffling.

I said this in an earlier post on another thrread. Basically, Scott’s public persona makes his promotion look like a ship without a rudder. Rebney may be a jerk, but he comes off as absolutely straightforward. As I said in the other thread, Coker could have used his stock phrase “We looked into this and decided it wouldn’t be appropriate at this time” a long time ago. Instead it’s all been “That would be a great fight,” “There are a lot of problems that would have to be worked out,” and worst of all acknowledging that Rebney had contacted him (on camera no less) and then claiming he hadn’t. Yup, he comes off as a nice laid-back guy and he does have a good promotion, but, at the very least, he needs to get some coaching on how to deal with the press. He rarely comes off as in control.

by Roamin on Oct 31, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like this guy ...

He’s got charisma and ambition … makes Coker seem kinda like a dud …

by hacksaw_27 on Oct 30, 2010 11:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe ...

I have not done the research … I just think Coker has zero charisma … unlike Dana … but hey – maybe slow and steady will win the race?

by hacksaw_27 on Oct 30, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Read this

http://www.total-mma.com/2008/12/14/bellator-things-better-left-unsaid/

Then let me know what you think about Rebney.

Hey UFC4 go fuck yourself, how about that? Fucking punk, I was just asking for the source that says lesnar gets 5 mill a fight, it’s obvious one does not exist. Bunch of gabronis on a site pulling figures out of your ass.
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by ufc4 on Oct 30, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow ...

thanks dude … I will read it all when I have more time tomorrow …

by hacksaw_27 on Oct 30, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

No problem. Bellator is a nice promotion but I really worry about anything that that dude is in charge of. My biggest concern is in the end the fighters will end up being the ones that get screwed.

Hey UFC4 go fuck yourself, how about that? Fucking punk, I was just asking for the source that says lesnar gets 5 mill a fight, it’s obvious one does not exist. Bunch of gabronis on a site pulling figures out of your ass.
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by ufc4 on Oct 30, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hear you

They need a union … just like any other major sport … this one of the reasons I don’t get fans bashing Fedor … he is like the one guy that was a champ that didnt concede to Dana when he bought Pride …

by hacksaw_27 on Oct 30, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

“just like any other major sport”

Does boxing have a union?

Does any individual sport have a union?

by CstBoog on Oct 31, 2010 2:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

I think you need to learn the difference between a union and an association.

by Steve4192 on Oct 31, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s similar enough in this case to be on point. They bargain collectively and do quite well.

by Jonathan Snowden on Oct 31, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Evidence?

All I saw were allegations. Has there been anything conclusive showing that Bjorn fixed fights, killed dogs or anything heinous?

Google Ron Paul!

by CaDreamer on Oct 31, 2010 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Told ya who the liar liar pants on fire was… Coker wants rebney nowhere near showtime.

by mmalogic on Oct 30, 2010 11:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Coker is scurrrred lol

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by xFenixKnightx on Oct 30, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

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by xFenixKnightx on Oct 30, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ever considered maybe Coker wants Rebney nowhere near his promotion? Can’t say I would blame him there.

Hey UFC4 go fuck yourself, how about that? Fucking punk, I was just asking for the source that says lesnar gets 5 mill a fight, it’s obvious one does not exist. Bunch of gabronis on a site pulling figures out of your ass.
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by ufc4 on Oct 30, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

He needs to just come out and tell Rebney to slow his roll cuz ain’t shit goin down, brah.

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by xFenixKnightx on Oct 30, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

“Hey Bjorn, why don’t you make like a tree, and get outta here”

Hey UFC4 go fuck yourself, how about that? Fucking punk, I was just asking for the source that says lesnar gets 5 mill a fight, it’s obvious one does not exist. Bunch of gabronis on a site pulling figures out of your ass.
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by ufc4 on Oct 30, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont think so… Rebney has pretty much conceded to everything and practically said he’d be Cokers bitch on the collaboration.

Rebney just wants an in with Showtime… and it sounds like he’s gonna get their attention either through coker or through the media. lol.

by mmalogic on Oct 30, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

If that's true, then let you champs sign a deal with Strikeforce

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 30, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Then what leverage does he .have with getting a showtime deal?

Coker wants Bellator nowhere near showtime because he knows Bellator has money and has already put on tons of shows making him and strikeforce easily replacable if showtime were inclined to continue or diversify their MMA content (which is within their contractual rights)..

by mmalogic on Oct 30, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Rebney just wants to see teh fights made, he'd do that.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 30, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

you should teach a class Business 101: How to run it straight into the ground

by ImmortalTechnique92 on Oct 31, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Or it's called calling someone's bluff 101

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 31, 2010 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would do just that, call his bluff. Coker should publically say they are willing to do the fights but it had to be in Strikeforce and all the Bellator guys have to sign 3 fight deals with Strikeforce. Then explain why: Steikeforce would be the ones pushing these fights. That Bellator has only a small fanbase (much smaller than Strikeforce) and that financially it’s too big of risk for Strikeforce to do it without some sort of guarantee that their invested would be paid back. He could also be a dick and say Eddie has to beat Aoki first, and make Bjorn send Alvarez to Dream.

by John Nash on Oct 30, 2010 11:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

There are so many strategies Coker isn't using...

I’m shocked that he doesn’t drop things like “Dave Herman entered a lawsuit because of how Bjorn handles his fighters going to other promotions, and the media is asking ME why this isn’t happening? Strikeforce has successfully co-promoted with M-1 and done fighter sharing with DREAM at the championship level. The issue isn’t from us.”

Another good promoter style quote to drop: “Look at the matchups they propose. Gil is ranked above Alvarez. Nick is ranked above Askren. Jacare is ranked above Lombard. Being Strikeforce champion means more in the world of mixed martial arts than a Bellator belt does, and that’s the way it is.” This one even promotes a bad blood angle if the fights DO happen. Just direct the narrative a little!

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by pdl on Oct 30, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m amazed that they keep getting into these stories and do nothing to even try to control the narrative.

by Phildo on Oct 30, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Coker does not work as the public face of Strikeforce. Even when he tells the truth (Overeem will fight in the US, Aoki will come to America, Fedor will fight for SF after the Nasville debacle) no thinks he is because he doesn’t seem definitive. MMA fans expect a promoter to be like Dana and he just doesn’t have the charisma.

by John Nash on Oct 31, 2010 12:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

the problem is that no one is the public face of strikeforce.

That person doesn’t need to be dana, but they need to say something. There are lots of times when they are silent, but lots of times where they talk, but say nothing. There are a million things that could have been said about this situation better than “i didn’t get any texts.” And if they don’t say something of substance soon, we’re going to see a video of rebney, alvarez, and askren trying to get into coker’s office soon.

by Phildo on Oct 31, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

That would be alot better.

Let the cannibalism begin… one of them needs to die in order for the other to stay afloat a bit longer.

Rebney realized this and cast the first shot blind siding coker. Let’s see if he can retaliate.

by mmalogic on Oct 31, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

How on earth does Strikeforce need Bellator to die to stay afloat? Bellator has no current relationship with Showtime, and the people involved with the company are in MMA because they ended up persona non grata in an industry Showtime is still very much involved in. Just because Jay Larkin died doesn’t mean that they would suddenly lack people who remember who Rebney is.

by VirtualBalboa on Oct 31, 2010 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because bellator continues to flank them. Without bellator it’s a buyers market. Strikeforce would be able to sign whoever Zuffa doesnt want or cant cant logistically sign at bargains if Rebney wasnt around.

Strikeforce wanted Huerta but Bellator got him. All the prospects Zuffa cant sign go to bellator because Strikeforce cant pay what the tournaments can.

Eddie Alvarez would have signed with Strikeforce if bellator wasnt around because he was on an existing contract with japan at the time which Zuffa wouldnt touch.

Let’s just say coker’s life would be alot easier if rebney wasnt around. Bellator hurts strikeforce way more than it does Zuffa.

by mmalogic on Oct 31, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Strikeforce’s survival isn’t dependent on being able to sign Mike Bernhard or Rob McCullough. In other words, maybe it makes life easier for Strikeforce. Maybe it doesn’t. In either case, they aren’t dying if Bellator exists or not.

by VirtualBalboa on Oct 31, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

What does Rebney offer to Showtime that Strikeforce doesn’t? Also, with an MMA brand already on Showtime, do you think that Showtime will have two different MMA brands on their channel or what? I mean, I have to wonder if Coker is really scared or if he is just trying to ignore the whole situation.

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by chrisbboy82 on Oct 31, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

m1 is negotiating to possibly have m1 shows on showtime and ironically the negotiation developed through “co-promoting” with strikeforce.

So when I say Rebney wants an in with showtime it’s pretty apparent.

Regarding having more than one brand on showtime it doesnt matter because these brands arent worth anything and as I said they have been negotiating with m1 to do just that.

But if you look at the structure of things and bellators backers if showtime were to work something out with Rebney Coker is more than likely going to get fucked and you can read inbetween the lines when Scott talks about it that he realizes he’s going to get fucked and wants Rebney nowhere near showtime… strikeforce doesn’t have a nickel and the last thing he wants for showtime is to have another viable option.

by mmalogic on Oct 31, 2010 4:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bellator’s backers are being chased after by the SEC for fraud on overvalued investments. Meanwhile, they have an MMA company touring around the country in 1/3 filled theaters on a C tier network. They completely changed business plans from season 1 to 2. And yet they are the more viable long term option? LOL.

Can you go back to making UFC posts? You were better at those since you actually got something right that one time. Tell us, what kind of headliners should we expect for the NBC shows? Jon Jones? Dominick Cruz?

by VirtualBalboa on Oct 31, 2010 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

you wrote:

And yet they are the more viable long term option? LOL.

who said bellator would be a “more viable long term option”?

This is what’s written in my comment:

and the last thing he wants for showtime is to have another viable option

go back to school and learn to read before you attempt to discuss something with grown ups.

by mmalogic on Oct 31, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

You just said Strikeforce has no money but Bellator has great backing.

by VirtualBalboa on Oct 31, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bellator does have some serious money marks

Strikeforce has always operated on a boot strap basis and has paid for itself at each step. Bellator has had the luxury of going two, now three years without making a red cent and no sign of stopping. The hedge fund that is their majority investor may be under investigation by the FBI for fraud but it’s not in any danger of going bankrupt.

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by Nate Wilcox on Oct 31, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Last time I checked, Bellator 31 outdrew WEC 51 on the same night. WEC had to give away 1,500 seats for free to avoid embarrassment. Need to get your facts straight Balboa. I believe Bellator drew 3k to 5k for each of its final four fights, which is better than anyone other than Strikeforce and UFC.

by aggieheaven on Oct 31, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

The WEC was an abject failure of a promotion on its own merits that was outdrawn regularly on TV and in arenas by the IFL. So what? Bellator sits somewhere between two dead promotions?

by VirtualBalboa on Oct 31, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

More lacking facts Balboa. Bellator’s TV ratings are higher and they reached more households due to a better TV deal with FSN and NBC. The NBC highlight show, while aired in early AM reached more viewers than WEC live shows on Versus. This is on top of outdrawing WEC and not having the marketing dollars of Zuffa behind them. These are facts, not opinion. Bellator has not been playing to 1/3 filled theaters every event. Yes, they had stinkers but they’ve outdrawn WEC regularly. If you are going to draw conclusions on Bellator, at least do it with facts on hand and your opinion may be considered.

by aggieheaven on Oct 31, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who is even talking about the WEC? The WEC was a money loser subsidized by the UFC until they decided to kill it. How are they pertinent to comparisons with Showtime and Strikeforce?

by VirtualBalboa on Oct 31, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

The WEC was basically kept around to keep IFL off TV

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 31, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bjorn is a LIAR AND PLAYS GAMES!

 MMA people are quickly finding out that Bjorn lies and plays games. Managers who have dealt with Bellator know what I am talking about.

by MMAfan4242 on Oct 30, 2010 11:21 PM EDT reply actions  

This is one of those things that isn't easy to stay silent on.

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by pdl on Oct 30, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

So why stay silent? The best way to help fix these things is for people to talk about them.

Just BE.

by mattman73 on Oct 31, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

He’s not talking about us. He’s insinuating that he knows more and can’t divulge. And I’m sure he’s got something juicey.

by John Nash on Oct 31, 2010 2:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I know what he is saying that is why I want him to speak up. Share with the world what is happening. Do it anonymously if he has to. Just share the information so things will get better for the fighters.

Just BE.

by mattman73 on Oct 31, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Protip ...

… if someone has insider information and has to sit on it, they won’t say anything. If they say bullshit like “I wish I could say this …,” they’re making shit up. That’s how it always has been. I have no doubt he’s got connections, but in this case, he’s got nothing.

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by James Brady on Oct 31, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Basically

The more “cryptic” the answer, the more likely it’s BS.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 31, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

No. Pdl has an issue with Rebney. He’s hinted at it before but can’t bring it up because it is confidentia/work related.
And I know who pdl is and what he does so I can easily imagine him knowing something.

by John Nash on Oct 31, 2010 1:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I just direct people to read up on Rebney's history with fight promotion.

He sure is something.

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by pdl on Oct 31, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am surprised more isn’t written about him on MMA websites. The old articles I have found from him on boxing sites paint a pretty scary picture.

by who me on Oct 31, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

But that’s what I’ve expected from the MMA “media” outside of Sherdog and BE. People refusing to print truthful, yet critical, stories about MMA reps/fighters for fear of losing access.

Ask yourself this question, go to the big sites and try to find how many critical UFC stories they’ve written.

Now look at the big negative stories this year (Toney involved in a co-main, Sonnen failed test, Carwin drug bust, etc) and find how many stories were written about them. Not many.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 31, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can easily imagine him knowing a lot of things, but people who know things like that and aren’t allowed to talk don’t really let it be known that they know things. He’s feeding you bullshit right now, though I generally trust the guy.

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by James Brady on Oct 31, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sometimes keeping your job working in the industry is more important than chatting about things on the internet. Eventually these things do find a way to slip out if there actually is a story to tell though.

by who me on Oct 31, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t say that he should be talking. Only that if there was anything at all, he wouldn’t have said anything to begin with. I actually am talking about the importance of keeping your job, the exact opposite of what you’re implying I’m saying.

He has nothing, literally nothing. Knowing some public shit that goes on with the guy isn’t insider information. If he had something, he’d be sitting on it, not going off about how he wishes he could talk, oh how he wishes. There’s never a source that says “HEY I KNOW STUFF!!!! lol not talking.”

Never has been. Never will be. Good guy, but nothing here.

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by James Brady on Nov 1, 2010 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ruin your company?

Or have your balls in a jar in Bjorn’s basement? That is the question Scott ponders at night.

by WallenStahl on Oct 30, 2010 11:22 PM EDT reply actions  

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by ADAMantium on Oct 30, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nate – any chance you will rethink your stance on which of the two is telling the truth? How does this fit with your ealier assesment that Coker was the “rare” honest promoter?

Whatever the full truth is, Rebney has positioned this story to make coker and SF look like the are ducking and running scared. That is never a good image to have in the fight business.

I also think its time that everyone stop saying that SF is the only one with something to lose. SF has no more or less to lose than Bellator.

SF has struggled all year to put on a compelling card. While the ratings may be good for showtime, having your events watched by 400K people is not doing much to grow the brand. SF continually fails to find deserving/compelling opponents for their champs.

I would argue that SF has the most to gain from this. A compelling card with lots of buzz could be SF’s ticket to get back on CBS.

Bellator vs SF on CBS should do great ratings. I believe they should unify their titles. Neither promotion can keep their champs busy with deserving opponents. Having a unified champ that defends 1-2 times per year at SF and 1-2 at Bellator would be best for both promotions. This would give them both a strong champ worthy of a high ranking. It would give SF time to develop worthy challengers and Bellator time to run tournaments to develop challengers. Everyone wins since the champs would fight on Fox when defending against Bellator opponents and then fight on show/cbs when defending against SF opponents.

If any fighter feels they are not getting a legit opportunity to fight for the belt, they can go join the Bellator tourny and win their shot.

Neither of these promotions are going to overtake Or even compete with UFC – BUT – if they play their cards right, work together they could build a very strong number two that everyone finds interesting and worth watching.

Bellator has brought Fox their best ratings ever in their time slots – so I would argue Bellator is closer to being the 2nd best promotion at this time than SF. I actually enjoy the Bellator format and have not missed a show.

I have seen many people on here say that Bellator is losing money etc and going under, what is this based on? Where are the facts to back this up? While I admit to not having any facts regarding the financial well being of either promotion, I would argue that Bellator is much more stable than SF and has much better prospects at continuing than SF.

Bellator just wrapped up their 3rd season and they are already starting to build their own stars (Frausto, Askren, Warren, Lombard). SF seems incapable and unwilling to build new, fresh hone grown stars.

If they unite the titles and have one recognized champ over both promotions, then neither has more to lose or gain. They can continue operating just the way they are now without making any changes. I am sure LOTS of fighters would like the prospect of going to either promotion with the knowledge that if they became champ, they would be seen on Fox, Showtime and CBS. This could make for some very lucrative sponsorship deals for the champs and be a big selling point on getting talent to sign with either SF or Bellator.

by treyjackson on Oct 30, 2010 11:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

 You should do some research on Bjorn Rebney and read the articles linked in the previous article on Rebney. Rebney has a long sleazy history. He is horrible for the sport of MMA.

by MMAfan4242 on Oct 30, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

So it's all about who plays the media first (and "better") rather than the truth?
lSF has struggled all year to put on a compelling card. While the ratings may be good for showtime, having your events watched by 400K people is not doing much to grow the brand. SF continually fails to find deserving/compelling opponents for their champs.

Strikeforce has had a few “compelling cards” this year. More than Bellator IMO percentagewise.

You think “Bellator vs SF” has any buzz? No. It’d be like doing Cage Rage vs Rumble on the Rock in 2005.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 30, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is coming from Kid Nate here on BE at http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/10/30/1783965/strikeforce-and-bellator-bosses-telling-two-different-stories-on, and I have to agree with him. Here’ s the quote:
“Strikeforce has absolutely nothing to gain by co-promoting with Bellator. The hardcore fan audience that is aware of Bellator and their roster of champs already watches every Strikeforce event anyway. Getting us lathered up with thoughts of Gilbert Melendez vs Eddie Alvarez, etc doesn’t do anything to sell Showtime subscriptions, get Strikeforce back on CBS and certainly won’t sell a significant number of PPVs.
The combined brand awareness of Eddie Alvarez, Hector Lombard and Ben Askren among casual MMA fans is virtually nil. Rebney is bringing nothing to the table here and he knows it.”

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by chrisbboy82 on Oct 31, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nate has a hard-on for Bellator, so don’t expect a response. While some of Nate’s criticism is fair, he’s struggled to be objective and does have a personal affinity and love for Coker for some odd reason. Strikeforce could be huge right now if not for Coker.

by aggieheaven on Oct 31, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah I'm such a big Coker backer that Strikeforce

has repeatedly threatened to strip our credentials. Coker’s played himself more times than a 14 year old who just got internet access. And I’ve been critical enough of them to be called a zuffa shill in about 90% of my Strikeforce posts.
I had been clinging to the belief that Coker was an honest man but looks like I was naive.
Bellator puts on a great product and signs great talent. Rebney’s issues are not about the quality of his product.

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by Nate Wilcox on Oct 31, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

it looks like i was wrong about Coker

Based on this evidence it appears he may have gotten himself caught in a lie. Always the worst PR sin you can commit. Doesn’t make me think any higher of Rebney, but does make me think less of Coker.

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by Nate Wilcox on Oct 31, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

We've known for quite a while that Coker (and by extension SF) aren't good with the media

I don’t think there’s anything new here. Bending the truth just doesn’t defy my expectations for figures like Coker.

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by Symbul on Oct 31, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great way to do business

Or have a hissy fit flamewar on forums. Either one. Probably not both.

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by Symbul on Oct 30, 2010 11:31 PM EDT reply actions  

He’s a promoter with a just expired TV deal, no fights planned, and no great opponents lined up for any of his champions. I’d say anything to keep your name out there is great business at this point.

by Phildo on Oct 30, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

He might be the best “promoter” working right now.

by John Nash on Oct 30, 2010 11:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

if you go by the ratio of coverage to meaningful fights, he’s got to be near the top.

by Phildo on Oct 30, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

IMO Bjorn is a HORRIBLE promoter!

by MMAfan4242 on Oct 30, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Because people are "marks" for "cross-promotional" fighting

Even if the rankings are lower.

That said, some feel that non-Zuffa fighters are hurt in the rankings by their organization and the lack of great fights.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 30, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus Nate/Okami will probably be a snoozer

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 30, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel the opposite.. fighters outside of the UFC seemed to rocket up the rankings fighting questionable talent.. Brett Rogers being one gigantic example.

by sadface on Oct 31, 2010 2:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

That was the Fedor factor

Then again, Carwin shot up the ranks by beating GG. And Cain became top 10 by beating Cheick Kongo and Rothwell.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 31, 2010 5:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rogers, Carwin & Cain shooting up the rankings had more to do with a complete lack of depth in the HW division rather than any promotional concerns. HW is by far the easiest division to move up the rankings. Just look at all the people who had Overeem ranked for beating up Tony Sylvester, James Thompson, and old man Fujita.

by Steve4192 on Oct 31, 2010 7:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, so sadface was wrong

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 31, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's not just marquee/name value

We haven’t seen the ceiling yet for these guys. We know pretty much what Nate and Yushin bring to the table.

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by Symbul on Oct 30, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the biggest complaint is not the Okami/Marquardt fight but the rest of the card.

by DirtyML on Oct 30, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

If it was a PPV, I could understand

debating or complaining about whether or not they should drop the money for it.

But it’s free…my brother, dad, and I are fans, we’ll shell out for good fights, and choose not to for lesser PPVs(which is VERY rare) but when it’s free…who cares?

The only debate we have is whether to turn the channel to Spike or not…and I’m a fan of MMA period, pretty much any MMA card is worth the effort of a channel change for me.

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by Chris Groves on Oct 31, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

This was supposed to be a makeup card for a terrible card, I think that is why there is salty balls fans, but I personally think any free MMA is good, not going to argue that point.

The best names often fail to deliver and the WEC and lesser praised UFC cards usually bang out great fights.

by DirtyML on Oct 31, 2010 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I honestly don't remember a time

Where we were explitcitly told that 122 was the makeup card for 112

I remember plenty of fans saying ‘122 sucks and this was supposed to make up for 112’ but never a time where Dana himself said ‘122 is free because 112 sucked’

If you show me, I’ll jump on and say yeah, 122 isn’t exactly the type of free card I’d expect as a make up for 112(which I honestly didn’t have a problem with, nor did I with 119) but until then, I’ll be doubtful in believing it.

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by Chris Groves on Oct 31, 2010 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno Im going to watch it because it’s free I hope it’s a makeup card because it’s still 10 times better than almost every other promotions cards.

by DirtyML on Oct 31, 2010 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm checking it out too

I don’t see why any ‘fans’ wouldn’t

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by Chris Groves on Oct 31, 2010 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

can we PLEASE stop referring to “rankings” like they have any meaning? Honestly they are purely an excercise in fantasy, as neither promotions nor 90% of fans care about them.

by frosnt1 on Oct 31, 2010 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

They actually have some merit with fighters and their managers. But I do agree with you.

by sadface on Oct 31, 2010 2:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Who cares about the rankings. Good fight is a good fight, and Jacare/Lombard has the potential to be a fucking good fight. Okami/Nate has the potential to be Okami/Franklin 2 or Sonnen/Nate 2 or Okami/insert name 2, which most fans already saw. I’m not saying that I wont watch O/N, but if there’s another good fight on the horizon that involves interesting fighters, I’m all in.

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by dancingChicken on Oct 31, 2010 4:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

There’s a bunch of closet pro-wrestling fans (marks) who jerk off to this kind of stuff and yet they cant seem to realize that these “super fights” are run of the mill and regular occurrences in the UFC.

by mmalogic on Oct 31, 2010 4:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure number 8 vs number 17 would be on the bottom of the main card. This type of fight wouldn’t even be advertised on the hype commercials.

Did you see the size of that chicken?

by Heenan on Oct 31, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Leben vs Akiyama?

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 31, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

You mean like UFC 120? Or UFC 119? Or UFC 115? Or UFC 109?

by VirtualBalboa on Oct 31, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Souza/Lombard represents the best potential collaborative effort between two promoters. Hence, more people are interested. By comparison, Marqhardt/Okami represents a generally lazy effort on behalf of a promoter who can offer a lot better.

by VirtualBalboa on Oct 31, 2010 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

And really, more people would watch Marqhardt/Okami anyhow. So there’s that.

by VirtualBalboa on Oct 31, 2010 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

And more fans will enjoy the Jacare/Lombard matchup. So there’s that. Foolish comment. There are no fans excited about Marquardt/Okami, including myself. That fight is poster child of the round robin lacking matchups in UFC as they continue to not create new fighting talent.

by aggieheaven on Oct 31, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Will they? Maybe half as many people will watch it. MAYBE. Neither bout has happened yet, so why bother arguing which is better and more entertaining? Okami and Marqhardt may find their wrestling cancelling out for one another and then ending up in a slugfest while Jacare takes down the short Lombard early, lets him gas out in a panicked attempt to rise to his feet, and taps him after a dominating 4 minutes or so.

by VirtualBalboa on Oct 31, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Symbul touched on the reason this type of fight is very compelling. Most fans don’t think a match up between Jacare and Lombard is “better” than Yushin vs Marquardt. But the outcomes are shed more light on a fighter’s status in his division. With the Jacare/ Lombard match up, should their be a definitive winner, we know we can get behind that guy with some confidence that he could hang with the top guys in the division. On the other hand, regardless of how the Yushin/Marquardt fight plays out, most reasonable fans will continue to consider both men solid top ten middle weights after all is said and done. There may not be more quality at stake, but it’s a meaningful and rare situation in which we see iron sharpening iron outside of the ufc.

by castleeb on Oct 31, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Chris Groves’ comment is exactly what is wrong with MMA. No right minded fan thinks Okami is even Top 20, but the rankings say he is b/c Dana White’s influence. Okami would get spanked by Lombard and Jacare. We will never get to see it b/c White will protect his fighters until the end of time.

by aggieheaven on Oct 31, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

GTFO

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by DamnSevern on Oct 31, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

? Almost everyone I have ever discussed Okami with on the internet thinks he’s horribly under-rated not over-rated. The general consensus seems to be that instead of Dana getting him ranked higher it’s Dana that is holding him back and not giving him the exposure and shot at the title he deserves. Who has Hector Lombard fought/beat?

I think perhaps you irrational White hatred is causing you to look down on fighters just because they are in the UFC, oddly enough the same think in reverse you are acting like other people are doing. How about just leaving Dana out of it and just discussing fighters according to what they have accomplished.

by who me on Oct 31, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow.

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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 31, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is the dumbest thing I’ve ever read.

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by Charles Awad on Oct 31, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

HATE HATE HATE HATE

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by AJB on Oct 31, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Scott needs to walk before he runs.

Book a meaningful heavyweight fight first then let’s see where this leads.
I have a question tho. Why are all these promoters such children. This move by Bjorn is so juvenile. Vadim talking all that shit to the reporter that he thought was “off the record” about The Reem. Bas Boon feuding with Bloodstain Lane on an Internet forum. Dana with his constant bitching about Frank Shamrock and his silly tweet when Fedor lost. Grow up, boys. This is stupid and it just turns the fans off.

by memitim on Oct 30, 2010 11:42 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

 I agree many promoters, managers, and trainers act like children. It is repulsive. In part I blame fighters for signing with these immature children. There are more professional business men out there the fighters could be signing with.

by MMAfan4242 on Oct 30, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

I think that pretty well sums it up

Hey UFC4 go fuck yourself, how about that? Fucking punk, I was just asking for the source that says lesnar gets 5 mill a fight, it’s obvious one does not exist. Bunch of gabronis on a site pulling figures out of your ass.
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by ufc4 on Oct 30, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was my immediate reaction.

I'm a hater not a fighter

by spectaa on Oct 31, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually he hasn't.

Instead of being honest and just saying NO he has acted like he’e open to it and THAT is the problem that drove Bjorn to prove he has been seeking to co promote

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by CaDreamer on Oct 31, 2010 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Regarding the texts
"Bjorn’s saying he’s texting me 11, 12 times an hour. I’m not sure if he’s trying to be a level-five clinger or anything like that, but I haven’t received one text from the guy," Coker said. "I’m not sure what the motivation is, but maybe it’s just his way of staying in the media, staying in the press."
"It’s very obvious to me he’s using the media as a platform to try to do his business, but that’s not how we’re going to do business," Coker said. "If he wants to do business, call me or fly out here, come sit down with me. If there’s a deal to be made, we’ll try to make it, but I’m not going to do it in the media. That’s for sure."

This is from a sherdog interview with Coker.

Sure sounds like Rebney is a crazy person to me. And Coker responded.

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by Matthew Roth on Oct 31, 2010 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Yep I have to wonder if Coker is actually taking this serious or if he thinks that Rebney is in this just for the media attention? Coker wants a sit down and Rebney apparently wants to do this in text messages and blog articles.

The big thing here that got me scratching my head is that would any of us want to do business with someone who is going to put private text on the internet in an attempt to try to embarass you and make you out to be a liar? What a dick move this was on Rebney’s part. If I was Coker then this would be the last straw for me, after this I wouldn’t even take the guys phone calls more/less consider working with him as a partner on a show. If he’s like this even having a discussion about doing this imagine what it would be like trying to actually work with him…….

by who me on Oct 31, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You mean Scott Coker should....

MAN UP

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 31, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty much. He should tell him that he doesn’t want to work with someone who tries to work through text messages like a 15 year old girl or craves public attention like a….. well like a 15 year old girl.

Is Bjorn Rebney a 15 year old girl? This really seems like something my daughter would of done to try and embarass someone who was trying to steal her boyfriend. It doesn’t seem like the actions of a professional businessman trying to convince another professional businessman to enter a joint venture with them.

by who me on Oct 31, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

dude, stop talking

LOL

You’re fucking up my articles. It’s gonna look like i’m stealing from you. I’m literally writing that same shit RIGHT now.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 31, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve got a five hour drive to make so feel free to rip off all my points :D

by who me on Oct 31, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was already writing it before you posted. LOL

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 31, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

What does Coker possibly have to gain

by lying and saying he didn’t receive any texts? It doesn’t add up.

by dribblebib on Oct 30, 2010 11:54 PM EDT reply actions  

“Scott I missed you at the sauna in the gym today, write back, P.S you are dreamy. Bjorn.”

by DirtyML on Oct 30, 2010 11:55 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Next week we can expect these things to be released by Rebney:

Mixtape with a diss record feat. N.O.R.E and Ben Askren
Claims of a Scott Coker Sextape
Photoshopped pictures of Coker doing blow

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by Damon O. on Oct 31, 2010 12:01 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Personally, I’m looking forward to Rebney hiring Kool Moe Dee to cut the Bellator ‘battle rap’.

Hopefully, Strikeforce counters with LL Cool J

by Steve4192 on Oct 31, 2010 7:23 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

This is insanely unprofessional...

The fact that the text messages are even out there like that. Who runs that kind of business? I love MMA and am happy to finally see it get so popular, but it’s shit like this that make the sport look like a joke. It’s like that couple that gets into fights in the Denny’s parking lot…

I don’t know if it’s a show or what but it’s embarrassing to the sport… IMO…

by SkeezinSteevin on Oct 31, 2010 12:02 AM EDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

How do you feel about the MMA fans that are buying into this though? Just look at the comments because they see these texts and now want these cross promotional fights to happen. I don’t like Rebney’s tactics at all, but unfortunately they worked. Rebney and Bellator look good and Strikeforce and Coker look bad despite the fact that Strikefroce really has nothing to gain from doing these fights.

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by chrisbboy82 on Oct 31, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I want to see a good fight as much as the next guy...

And would probably watch it if/when it happens. But it’s just sad because it makes us look like idiots when we fall for it and (this) happens.. and it’s not our fault, we just want to see a good fight…

by SkeezinSteevin on Oct 31, 2010 12:11 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

no one gives a shit about this stuff than us. It’s not like non-mma fans are reading this story anyways.

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by chasethegoose on Oct 31, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

IMO this makes Rebney and Bellator look like fools. This is just the beginning of the diseased infection that is Bjorn Rebney. I could careless about any crap that comes out of Bjorn’s mouth.

by MMAfan4242 on Oct 31, 2010 12:12 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I usedt to think that this guy was actually alright, but to be pulling all this crap through the media is highly unprofessional and makes him look like a high school girl. I’m not interested in Bellator is this fool is going to be running it.

by thesource on Oct 31, 2010 4:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

This guy is a turd

I’ll never buy a Baby Bjorn to aid me in carrying around my first little accident!!!

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by Earl Montclair on Oct 31, 2010 12:48 AM EDT reply actions  

That's hilarious

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by Damon O. on Oct 31, 2010 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think I quite understood that but it made me snort with laughter. A rec for you good sir.

Not that I condone facism or any ism for that matter. Isms are in my opinion, not good. A person shouldn't believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.

I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me". Good point there, after all he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. Wouldn't change the fact I have to bum rides off of people.

by Sam Cupitt on Oct 31, 2010 3:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nice.

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by Well Read Idiot on Oct 31, 2010 4:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I see you have been watching waynes world :D

by jirlow on Oct 31, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Coker has got to love the kind of publicity this is getting his organization. This is some real high class co-promotional negotiations going on here.

Seriously look at this treatment Coker is getting from Rebney all because he says he is open to co-promotion. I think Coker needs to use these actions by Rebney and put a stop to it right now. Admit he lied about getting texts and phone calls from Rebney and say it was an attempt to get the negotiations back behind the scenes where they should be not in the media. So now Coker should just come out and say he is not going to do business in the media and any potential co-promotion with Bellator is dead as of this moment because of Rebney’s actions.

Just BE.

by mattman73 on Oct 31, 2010 12:53 AM EDT reply actions  

what a joke

Clearly Rebney just wants the publicity, by being such a douche he ensures it won’t happen. Strikeforce has nothing to gain from this “co promotion”.

what’s next? Coker texting Dana about Cain vs Overeem?

..!..

by nostraboris on Oct 31, 2010 1:20 AM EDT reply actions  

This is one of those few times..

when an incredibly snarky Subo comment is a cherry on top of a Sunday thread. Well played.

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by Sabate on Oct 31, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why do people keep calling him Bjorn Borg?

Kinda weird seeing people calling out against one of the greatest (and my favorite) tennis players ever.

by Slica on Oct 31, 2010 6:22 AM EDT reply actions  

abso-freakin-lutely ridiculous

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by rohedron on Oct 31, 2010 7:41 AM EDT reply actions  

+1

giggles at coker what a liar

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by four20 on Oct 31, 2010 9:59 AM EDT reply actions  

Don't know much about Bjorn,

but this just seems like a bit of desperation, really. I think that his best fighters (Alvarez, Lombard, Askren, etc) are probably getting frustrated by the lack of challenges and are looking for bigger things than Bellator can offer. They seem pretty loyal to the organization, but some of these guys just need to break out in a big way and the clock is ticking, especially for a guy like Alvarez, who is in his prime and who really may be the best lightweight in the world. I think Rebney just desperately wants to offer his fighters, who he probably values in terms of business and also personally, somewhere to go and cement their legacies — without losing them to the big show. It may be childish, but he’s only doing it because his best fighters are dissatisfied and his options are few.

by Charlie Custer on Oct 31, 2010 10:28 AM EDT reply actions  

They're probably only loyal

Because they’re making a lot more money than they would be anywhere else.

by dribblebib on Oct 31, 2010 11:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

So it's safe to say

Bjorn Rebney is a troll/ stalker/ crazy ex-gf/ desperate and just plain out unprofessional.

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by MrTechnique420 on Oct 31, 2010 11:03 AM EDT reply actions  

You know what?

If the fans of this sport weren’t so dumb, maybe they’d actually push for this fight to happen instead of worrying about how a promoter might cope with the aftermath. No one sits around watching NFL games of wild card level teams thinking “Oooh, maybe they can get a more enriching official pizza deal if they get to 9-7! And some more spots on Monday Night Football!” But MMA fans will do that all day and night rather than demand fights that aren’t crap because Strikeforce has to keep their position and blah blah blah.

In fact, if you believed internet forums and message boards, they’d rather watch crap so long as idiots and degenerates can be convinced to watch because “BUYRATES!” and “SHARE NUMBERS!” mean more to them than competition.

by VirtualBalboa on Oct 31, 2010 11:13 AM EDT reply actions  

The NFL is strong and makes BILLIONS off TV alone

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 31, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

What does that have to do with this? Name a better fight Strikeforce can put together right now than Melendez/Alvarez. Now give me one good reason why you as a fan want to see a worse fight than that.

by VirtualBalboa on Oct 31, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not Strikeforce...

but I’d rather see Alvarez/Aoki.

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by Chris Barton on Oct 31, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw it before. Wouldn’t be against a rematch, but Melendez just beat Aoki. Melendez is the more meaningful fight right now. Besides, this is really more an argument about not wanting the fight because its “bad business” or something for Strikeforce specifically.

by VirtualBalboa on Oct 31, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Argumentum ad populum

Well if the PEOPLE want it.

Strikeforce is a business first and foremost. I as a fan care about their business because I don’t want them to DIE. Like Affliction, like Bodog, like the IFL, like Elite XC. I mean, those orga put on “fights the people wanted to see” and they died. Strikeforce is no angel, but they put on compelling fights.

I’d rather see Diaz/Mayhem, Overeem vs Fedor or Werdum, a Lawal/Hendo fight, Lawal/Feijao II.

I brought up the NFL’s TV deal because their business is strong.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 31, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you care more about Scott Coker making money with fights that aren’t as good than wanting to see him and Showtime provide the best fights possible? Do you really care about watching THE SPORT of MMA at all, or do you prefer talking about ticket sales with people on the internet?

by VirtualBalboa on Oct 31, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

If the shows don’t make money or sell tickets then the sport will disappear. You can’t separate the business side from the sports side, they go hand in hand. As much as I want to see a good match next week I want to be able to enjoy this sport to come for years and years into the future and that depends on them making smart business moves now.

by who me on Oct 31, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

How is Melendez/Alvarez a fight that risks the possibility of the sport “disappearing”? What a ton of hyperbole.

Like I said: If you want stupid, crappy fights because they might make more money, either you don’t care about the sport, or you’re someone with a big ego trying to make themselves look smarter than people who watch the events for the actual events.

by VirtualBalboa on Oct 31, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Obviously Rebney is wanting to use this as a way to get in with the Showtime executives so he can try and build up his promotion. It’s not hyperbole to point out that Bellator and Strikeforce are direct competitiors in the same exact market with the same product, I imagine Coker doesn’t want Rebney anywhere near Showtime and I really doubt he would be happy with Bellator going after his event slots on Showtime (like M-1 is doing now). It might not cause the sport to disappear but it could negatively affect one of the major brands in the long term. There are definately some real business issues to be worked through here and Rebeny acting like a a 15 year old girl with a new cell phone isn’t going to help.

by who me on Oct 31, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

So what? Do you care who Showtime has a deal with to televise fights? Would it bother you if they did sign a deal with Bellator to put on events?

I love all these assumptions being made – do you think that Showtime doesn’t know who Bellator and Rebney are? You think Strikeforce is against having M-1 on Showtime, or do you think it has to do with then getting Fedor back on their side? Do you really not want to see Alvarez fight Melendez in a battle of top ten lightweights because Rebney says things on the internet?

Seriously, some of you guys are astonishing. No one talks like this regarding even financial losers in stick and ball leagues.

by VirtualBalboa on Oct 31, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dunno bout you, but I want a stable number two

I seen this “new kid on the block” shit happen before in pro wrestling once WCW (Pride) died.

Stick and ball leagues are well established and have been around for decades. They also aren’t niche sports with a limited marketshare. Also, the scheduling in those leagues work a lil different. Also, fans talk a lot about the financial shit in those leagues.

Please don’t make bad analogies.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 31, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

There’s not even any proof that Alvarez/Melendez would destabilize Strikeforce. Holy god, you dudes are into some wild scenarios.

by VirtualBalboa on Oct 31, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who said "destablize"?

It’s about protecting your brand

Strikeforce is alive because of Showtime. If Rebney gets in with them, it ’s a wrap.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 31, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

What makes you think that Showtime is totally unaware of Bellator and what they can offer them? Seriously?

Better yet, tell me why you want or feel that MMA needs competing non-cooperational promoters like in pro wrestling.

by VirtualBalboa on Oct 31, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's a difference between knowing "of them" and talking directly to them

A) I’m sure the contract between Showtime and SF has some exclusivity, if they co-promote, Bellator will obviously have to make contact with Showtime, that give them an in

B) Let’s say Bellator’s fighters win a set nuymber of fights, it makes them look good, SHowtime is sorta unhappy already about SF

If anything, pro-wrestling promoters do co-operate. Just not the WWF. TNA and ROH used to work together until ROH started doing PPVs. Dragongate USA, Evolve, etc have worked together. Doing business with someone of Rebney’s past is like doing business with Rob Feinstein circa “lol ill pretend u said 18” days.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 31, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

WCW and the WWF never cooperated. That’s the model you suggest and I want no part of that. Furthermore, if Bellator’s fighters beat most of Strikeforce’s then why do you, THE FAN, want to see Strikeforce continue collecting money from Showtime for what is then a proven subpar product? I’d want Bellator to replace them too.

by VirtualBalboa on Oct 31, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

So what? Do you care who Showtime has a deal with to televise fights? Would it bother you if they did sign a deal with Bellator to put on events?

Yes I do care. The more I read about Bellator and Bjorn Rebney the more I become concerned about their organization.

What amazes me here (besides your shitty attitude) is that you are so naive about the sport industry.

by who me on Oct 31, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or just about Rebney

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 31, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

What is nieve is thinking that Showtime is run by bumbling idiots who’ve never heard of Bjorn Rebney or his promotion.

by VirtualBalboa on Oct 31, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

No I am sure they have heard of Bellator, “nieve” is thinking that he isn’t trying to work with them first hand and make contacts with the guys running/making decisions for Showtime MMA. Knowing you exist and having an existing working relationship are two very different things.

by who me on Oct 31, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

If they want it, they can have it any time. I don’t think Showtime is waiting for Strikeforce’s approval, thank god. Futhermore, if the fight ever happens, its because Showtime wants it.

This STILL doesn’t answer why it is that you don’t want to see it and prefer worse fights.

by VirtualBalboa on Oct 31, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be honest I don’t think it’s the fight people seem to be building it up to be, I would lke to see it but there are tons of fights I would love to see out there. It’s not a huge dream match up it’s just a good fight that would be interesting to see, there are fights like that on every show. I would be more interested in seeing a Melendez vs Aoki rematch in Japan and I think JZ vs Melendez would be interesting too. It’s not like there is nothing out there for Gilbert Melendez except Eddie Alvarez. If they could put the fight together great but if they can’t I won’t be losing any sleep, this isn’t some kind of must have dream match up that requires Coker to deal with a person like Bjorn Rebney.

What I do wonder is what Bellator has to offer Eddie at this point? Bellator doesn’t have anyone worth his time to fight in their company. Was anyone excited for Alvarez vs Pat Curran?

by who me on Oct 31, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

What is naive is spelling naive incorrectly.

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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 31, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Movie studios should put on the best movies ever with all the best stars

And UFC PPVs should be STACKED. Right? According to your logic.

McDonald’s and Sonic should “co-promote” if they care about putting the best “meals” out there.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 31, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

UFC PPVs should be stacked. Are you kidding me? You mean you like it when they have a substandard PPV just so long as it makes money?

The rest of these comparisons are irrelevant. Talk about apples/oranges.

by VirtualBalboa on Oct 31, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

PLUS LESNAR AND GSP ON EVERY CARD

AND UNDER CARD BJ PENN

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 31, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who said that? There’s a difference between putting every champ on a card and putting on UFC 119. But hey, UFC 119 cleared a profit. Good for the sport!

by VirtualBalboa on Oct 31, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Profitable MMA events that employ dozens of fighters and entertain thousands of people are generally considered “good for the sport”.

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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 31, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

You being the one guy who wants to see more UFC 119s, this is not any sort of surprise.

by VirtualBalboa on Oct 31, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m sure the fighters that made money participating on the card didn’t mind it, either.

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by Derek Suboticki on Nov 1, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Any real fan of MMA would wish for all of these promotions to die so UFC could have all of the greatest fighters fighting against one another. Strike Force does put on compelling fights, but the UFC could take their roster and give them all far more compelling fights.

by Newman24 on Oct 31, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 31, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not really...

…if something kicked off inside the UFC and tons of top ten fighters got cut and went to Strike Force then I’d be saying the same about everyone going to Strike Force being better for the fan. When I first got into MMA I used to wish guys like Tito and Randy and Ricco, etc would end up in PRIDE so they could fight the top guys from there.

This isn’t pro-wrestling where “competition” forces each promotion to put on better shows. All “competition” does in MMA is splinter the talent pool. Every MMA fan should want to find out who is the best, without having to put up with the bullshit that boxing goes through to do that. Thus the best route to that right now would be a UFC monopoly with a lot of smaller promotions underneath whose goal it is to send fighters to the UFC.

by Newman24 on Nov 1, 2010 4:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll see your Melendez - Alvarez

And raise you Overeem – Fedor…

Oh wait, you said that they can actually put together…

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by The American Ronin on Oct 31, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmmmmmmmm

Looks like someone might have been spoofing.

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by Damon O. on Oct 31, 2010 5:59 PM EDT reply actions  

yep

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 31, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

UPDATE: Strikeforce spokesman Mike Afromowitz informs me that Scott Coker no longer uses that phone number.

So who has Rebney been talking to?

by who me on Oct 31, 2010 7:23 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

No wonder he got no response.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 31, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some poor confused old woman in San Jose may be getting a ton of odd messages on that new cell phone her grandson got her recently………….

Poor Bjorn Rebeny apparently he wasn’t deemed important enough to get Coker’s new cell number (maybe he’s the reason Scott got a new phone?).

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