UFC Tries to Help Nevada Senator Harry Reid, Deepens Political Involvement
In case you haven't noticed, there has been quite a bit of crossover between the UFC and various political actors in the past few years. That crossover has come to a head in recent weeks with the UFC's support of embattled-Senator Harry Reid of Nevada. UFC President Dana White has stumped for him and UFC Hall of Famer Randy Couture recently endorsed him. Reid, a boxing and MMA enthusiast, asked the UFC to lend a hand in a very close electoral contest and the Zuffa brass obliged. Just a simple favor, right? Not really. There's a question to be asked here: what does it say about the UFC that politicians of serious significance are asking them for help? How interested is the UFC in political involvement?
Part of what it means, as Jake Rossen underscores, is that politicians - in this case, a desperate incumbent losing momentum late in a key Senate race - are recognizing the UFC's ability to sway younger audiences. In Nevada, that push is even more important as young voters in that state trend Democratic, although not heavily so. Still, most young voters sit out mid-terms and the Reid campaign is hoping Dana White, Chuck Liddell and others can energize a segment of the voting public that could help swing a tight race in their favor.
Up to this point, the UFC's involvement in politics has been superficial on the surface, but all business in the places business gets done. They want to show a public face where they look as politically neutral as possible while taking a tough stand on issues the public won't fight them on much. They're obviously still using any potential influence to pressure federal lawmakers into stepping up enforcement of laws prohibiting video piracy. However, as much as they make that the public centerpiece of their political involvement, there's really not much to that. What is of more interest to them is making sure the federal government doesn't regulate MMA. It would fundamentally change the way their business operates. It would empower fighters to negotiate how they are paid, where they are placed on cards and even how they negotiate matchmaking. To help further that process, they've retained the services of a very reputable lobbying group here locally in Washington, DC (not to mention offer modest campaign contributions).
The support for Reid is more a signal the UFC is willing to use it's political muscle how and when it can while also keeping political irons in the fire. Sen. Reid, even if re-elected, isn't much of an ally on any piece of legislation the UFC would predominately care about. He only sits ex officio on one committe, and it has nothing to do with piracy or regulating sports. Obviously having the Senate Majority Leader (or perhaps Minority come November 3rd) as an ally is politically favorable, but legislation begins in committee. Reid isn't sitting anywhere where the UFC is keeping a vigilant eye.
We also can't forget the state-by-state lobbying effort to get MMA legalized and regulated by state athletic commissions. I'd generally describe their efforts as successful and hugely beneficial to the sport, but the push in New York has been a failure. Some of what the UFC did was helpful. They created a website with clear action tools and released an important economic study trying to connect their product being in the state as a tourism and tax boon. But they never paid enough attention to how the levers of power are pulled specifically in Albany and more specifically, in the various committees in Albany.
Their present silence on the effort is partly due to an inability to get airwave and print ad space during campaign season, and, of course, because the State legislative body is not in session. But if they are serious about lobbying, there's no time to waste. After November 2nd, the UFC needs to hit the pavement hard. So far, the key failure of the effort is thinking an economic study would prove persuasive enough to lawmakers to overturn existing law. That certainly helped, but that's hardly sufficient to get attention or change minds. The numbers are too small. They also haven't been updated since the original study was released. And since the UFC's lobbying partners never created a grassroots push from New York constituents to lean on their local representatives, none of those in power had much of an incentive to listen to what Zuffa was telling them. Is it really an issue New Yorkers care about? No.
I'd also add that by going cheap on paid media and getting only minor hits in earned media (did they ever do editorial board visits with the New York Times or Wall Street Journal or Bloomberg or Reuters?), they enabled media-hungry politicians to empower themselves by controlling the narrative of the debate. The biggest winner so far in the push to get MMA legalized in New York? Bob Reilly.
The New York debacle aside, the UFC understands what a favorable regulatory climate looks like and why it's critically important to have one. They have the resources to help preserve or change that (depending on the situation). They also have the wherewithal to not be afraid to pursue matters legislatively. It's hardball, but it's the way lobbying is done and how laws happen...or don't happen. It's all just further proof that White & Co. are serious competitors. To their adversaries, a great challenge awaits you.
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Some day, and that day may never come, I’ll call upon you to do a service for me.
Its a win, win for Zuffa. For Reid, obviously larger turnout favors dems in all these close elections.
by bleve_ on Oct 27, 2010 3:46 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Don’t be fooled, politicains really don’t give a shit about what your business is as long as the donations keep coming.
Imagine an African white christ from space
Um, no
That’s not really how lobbying works. Sorry. A complete and total myth.
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Abramoff?
Imagine an African white christ from space
by Barack Lesnar on Oct 27, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps the politicians he helped enjoyed screwing Native Americans?
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 27, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Or how the Chinese are lobbying for everyone to forget about doing a war crimes probe for Burma?
Imagine an African white christ from space
by Barack Lesnar on Oct 27, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
The overwhelming record of lobbying
Is that it more often than not fails: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/10/AR2010091002671.html
I’ve spent many years working as or with lobbyists in DC. Most of the time lobbying is done for damage control or to beat back legislation. Lobbying is often successful in getting legislation to be amended or slowed through the various channels, but it is hardly the juggernaut people think it is. And if changes in law happening outside the Congressional process – through NPRMs or the like – lobbying has little to no impact.
It’s a real convenient whipping post for elections and it gives voters a place to seat their anger, but it just isn’t true. Lobbying is about nickel and diming legislation, hardly ever about killing it or fundamentally changing it.
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Again
It’s nice tidy idea to say “I blame lobbying for bad stuff”, but that’s not how the mechanics of lawmaking works. Sounds fun, but sadly, is only really true in a tiny minority of cases.
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Not the place to further this argument but it has been pretty rad talking to Luke without being called a dumbass, yet.
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by Barack Lesnar on Oct 27, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s early.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 27, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
True
Imagine an African white christ from space
by Barack Lesnar on Oct 27, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Except when lobbyists WRITE the proposed legislation
like the Republican Pledge to America…
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
Or the Medicare bill that Bush signed. Or No Child Left Behind (still don’t know how Teddy swallowed that piece of shit bill). Or the S&L bailout in the 80’s. Or…
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 27, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
NCLB had data to back it up
Of course, it was all proven later to be fabricated, but at the time, the numbers made a compelling case. Too bad it wasn’t true.
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
I think you’re the only one that said, “I blame lobbying for bad stuff”, lobbying is obviously essential for “good stuff” too. The problem is, those tiny minority of cases have absolutely gargantuan impact… and money talks, so those with the fattest pockets, gain the most within that system for what some perceive to be “bad stuff.”
That’s all well and good if one article quotes one book stating that lobbying is usually not successful… tell that to big agriculture, defense contractors, and BP.
Its like saying advertising works or doesn’t, no one’s trying to dumb it down to that extent.. but advertising for Coke and advertising for Mimo’s pizza on the corner have different meanings and implications.
If by “nickel and diming” you mean “composing and passing”, I completely agree.
Sure, most lobbying fails. But there isn’t a bill passed that isn’t approved (if not written) by at least one lobbyist.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 27, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry Luke, but a lot of the time, that IS how it works

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by Jonnycaz2.0 on Oct 28, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Whatever myths help you sleep at night.
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by Luke Thomas on Oct 28, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
This ^^
if it didn’t work, millions upon hundreds of millions wouldn’t continue to puor into the Washington coffers through special interest lobbyists.
Ask Rupert Murdoch how ineffectual money is in manipulating the FCC and telecommunications act.
Every big company is allowed to defend their interest. UFC is no different.
Entertainment executives might back someone I don’t like but that doesn’t stop me from watching the tv shows on their networks. I’ll keep watching the fights.
unless i’m mistaken they were also the single largest contributors in nevada to mccains presidential campaign
which probably had a lot to do with him taking back his human cockfighting comments
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by Johnathan Willis on Oct 27, 2010 3:58 PM EDT reply actions
I think the fact that Sharron Angle is fucking insane makes this easier.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 27, 2010 3:58 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Don't go there.
You know this will do nothing but stir up a debate that belongs somewhere else.
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Reid vs Angle is the most watched race in the country.
Everybody has a strong opinion about it. She raised around $14 million lately and most of it came from out of state.
Ultimately, it’s hard to have a post about “deepening political involvement” without talking a little politics.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 27, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
He probably know plenty about the Reid/Angle race and is just trying to keep me from breaking rules and pissing people off with my heathen Commie rhetoric.
It’s his site – I’ve learned to play ball (while still occasionally poking the bear)
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 27, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
avoiding politics in this discussion will be like negotiating with a Pikey.
Gorgeous George: It’s a campsite. A pikey campsite.
Tommy: Ten points.
Gorgeous George: What’re we doin’ here?
Tommy: Buying a caravan.
Gorgeous George: Off a pack of fuckin’ pikeys? What’s wrong with you? This will get messy!
I think it's relevant
Zuffa probably feels like Harry won’t be scapegoating their sport anytime soon. Angle is literally capable of anything. Better safe than sorry. That’s a way to see an endorsement of Reid as something other than an endorsement of Reid.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 27, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Better the devil you know, eh...
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by The American Ronin on Oct 27, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s kind of the theme of this election for me. Not as hopeful as “Yes We Can”, but whaddaya gonna do.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 27, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually like the slogan, "Hows that Hope and Change Working for All of You." Thats a more apt one IMO.
by Kung Foo on Oct 27, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
(bites tongue)
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 27, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Best part was seeing that as a caption for a smiling George W. Bush photo
Another one was “Miss Me Yet?”
Man, those were hilarious in their cruelty.
comments like these are
Why face palm pictures where made.
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
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by the-gentle-way on Oct 28, 2010 4:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think Angle is being very acute....
Michael Robinson leads the Seahawks in completion percentage, yards-per-attempt, and QB rating.
It's disgusting
that businesses have to buy off politicians to be granted the freedom to do business. Sickening.
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by IKilled007 on Oct 27, 2010 4:01 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The idea that you can buy off a politician issickeningreality, at least as far as getting things done…
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
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by The American Ronin on Oct 27, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Reid doesn't deserve MMA support
Sharron will beat the Dem party leader in the Senate easily.
by dualdiagnosis on Oct 27, 2010 4:06 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Agree
The argument to reelect Harry Reid is absurd. Look at this bufoon’s record; look at Nevada with the highest unemployment in the country. And Nevada really needs more stimulus, more bailouts and higher taxes? Like a hole in the head.
by pwdminotauro on Oct 27, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Look, mods
I’m doing my best here, but if this remains it’s getting annihilated.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 27, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I was very patient
Yes, let’s cut federal spending while consumers and investors are doing the same thing. It worked for Herbert Hoover, it worked when FDR did it and nearly stalled out the recovery that his economic policies (soak the fuck out of the rich and pay people to do things directly, Social Security, FDIC, etc) had engineered. Unemployment went from 25% to 12% before WWII and don’t let anyone tell you that the war was all that pulled us out of the Great Depression.
Glenn Beck was on TV the other day arguing that we should cut taxes for the rich because taxes for the rich were low during the Roaring Twenties and gosh the economy was kicking ass then. Of course, 1929 marked the stock market crash, but I’ll bet all the money in my pocket that Beck made that connection and then decided to say “fuck it” and just lie about it for money. Say what you want about the Left, but you guys have a mo-nopoly on professional multimillionaire bullshitters.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 27, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Subo supporting a planned centralized economy? We practically already have 2 classes of workers in the US already….those who have government jobs and those who actually produce a product or service. So, you were going to tell why the US experienced it’s BY FAR longest depression under FDR???
Your beliefs become your reality.
by Hardy's in your face on Oct 27, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I found a hilarious anecdote on Chinese TV
Apparently during a “let’s ask the kids what they want to be when they grow up” news segment, a girl answered, “A corrupt public official, they have so much stuff”… seriously.
should read, ……those who have gov’t jobs and those who pay for it by producing a product or service.
Your beliefs become your reality.
by Hardy's in your face on Oct 28, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow that was really disappointing
With all that “I’m about to annihilate” talk l really thought you would have at least some stuff that sounded good superficially. Instead you gave a couple of the weakest points I’ve ever heard
Google Ron Paul!
by CaDreamer on Oct 28, 2010 3:27 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I dont know if you guys all noticed this but Luke seems to have forgotten his obligation to tie this article to BROCKLESNAR
by hewsdaddy on Oct 27, 2010 4:09 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
“Does Brock Lesnar Mind UFC’s Support of Harry Reid?”
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 27, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I love pieces like this Luke
It doesn’t seem like many in the MMA media can write a post like this. The only issue is you are going to have to moderate your ass off to keep it civil in these comments. Its pieces like these that would be better fit in an environment without comments.
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Your joking but...
I though that part of the reason Brock was pissed at Dana was that the UFC was campaigning for Reid. Brock is a hardcore Republican.
Its pieces like these that would be better fit in an environment without comments.
Or just put up a disclaimer that this post will go unmoderated and to read an your own risk.
That's when the titty pictures pop up
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Why do you think I came here
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I am just going to type titties a bunch of times to lighten the mood in here.
This thread is going to go from bad to ugly pretty quick I think.
Titties! Titties! Titties! Titties! Titties! Titties! Titties! Titties! Titties! Titties! Titties! Titties! Titties! Titties! Titties! Titties! Titties! Titties! Titties! Titties! Titties! Titties! Titties! Titties! Titties! Titties!
Look, you have to ask yourself, who is Titties really looking out for?
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 27, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
But who does Titties answer to?
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 27, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Who watches the titties?
The answer is pretty obvious.
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Titties is only concerned about one thing, and that’s Titties.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 27, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Its actually very smart by Reid's people.
There is a huge correlation between the younger people voting and liberals winning (I can’t recall the exact age range, 18-29 maybe) but in 2008, something like 12% of younger people voted nationally and this year is projected to be around 6%. We all know the UFC’s pull with the demographic and they could actually help make the difference in a neck and neck race.
I don’t know how helpful Reid could be to the UFC itself from the Senate, but reminding his colleagues in the Senate from New York how economically prosperus MMA has been for his home state in a bad economy might encourage them to push a few buttons back home in the NY State legislature (which would in turn gain them capital with the Majority Leader).
Also, he might be able to help the Fertitta boys with some of their other business issues; it’s not always about the UFC!
"There is a huge correlation between the younger people voting and liberals winning"
As a Canadian, I find some of the US system to be mind boggling.
There are a large number of people who are against the liberal movement, like liberal in the US is that crazy of a change, but really it isn’t if you look at it from the outside. I suppose it is all a matter of perspective.
What you guys consider to be your more “liberal” party (obviously I am talking Democrats) is still significantly right win on many issues compared to our (Canadian) Conservative Party which is our most right wing.
Also, our parties are actually named the “Liberal Party” and the “Progressive Conservatives” so those aren’t bad words. Left wing and right wing to a Canadian isn’t politics, it is hockey.
Yeah,
We are all right wing nuts down here compared to Canadia.
Not all... Definitely some.
Not just when compared to Canada either.
by truck on Oct 27, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Re: the "economic argument for MMA"
but reminding his colleagues in the Senate from New York how economically prosperus MMA has been for his home state in a bad economy might encourage them to push a few buttons back home in the NY State legislature (which would in turn gain them capital with the Majority Leader).
Bob Reilly already accused this of being false in Nevada’s case.
oh, i had damn near forgotten it’s vote-for-whichever-fucktard-seems-less-clinically-insane season again
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by eastcoastatlas on Oct 27, 2010 4:17 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
(bites tongue)
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 27, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
That was for you, buddy
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 27, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
i actually wouldn’t have responded to any comments or started an argument. i pick no side, just disdain for the whole system
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by eastcoastatlas on Oct 27, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s all bullshit some just pretend that it matters, usually those financially involved with the two party paradigm illusion.
Imagine an African white christ from space
by Barack Lesnar on Oct 27, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay guys, my tongue is bleeding. E-mail me so I can set you straight or cut it out.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 27, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
If a party was certain to pay more than any other party do you think they’d have the most members? If you answered yes there may be hope for you in understanding GOP vs liberal right vs left conservative vs hippy jedi vs darkside.
Imagine an African white christ from space
by Barack Lesnar on Oct 27, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
some other time. you’re clearly not the type that could be swayed into not caring, and i’m never gonna be swayed into caring about anything more than Legalization and Separation of Church and State.
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by eastcoastatlas on Oct 27, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
That second one is under direct threat in this election.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 27, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
i know. i think you and i are more similar than i originally expected. don’t worry, i’ll do my part.
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by eastcoastatlas on Oct 27, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Bite that mother fucker off... We have heard enough out of you.
Actually I am kidding. I am from Canada, I am not really interested in this race aside from the civil liberties side of thing. I am however looking forward to hearing the results or the Mary Jane vote in Cali.
And that is a dog with a different type of flea...
Under any reasonable reading of the Constitution, the federal government has NO right to get involved in intrastate issues like that in Cali…and yet they pervade every aspect of life…
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by The American Ronin on Oct 27, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm hesitant to call it intrastate
Especially when it comes to marijuana… I expect to see many attempts at ffraudulent “medical MJ permits” by out-of-staters.
you really missed the boat on this entire post...
First – as Majority Leader, Senator Reid sets the agenda for the senate, meaning he and he alone determines what bills will receive a vote on the floor. You can pass bills all day in comittee, if the majority leader will not allow a vote on the floor, they are doomed to stay in comittee.
Secondly, and more importantly, I find Whites (and the rest of the UFC) actions deplorable. He is taking public stances that are in direct opposition to my beliefs. My guess is a majority of the UFC fanbase is NOT liberal extremist. I will decline to spend money with a company that openly uses the money to support candidates, ideologies and agendas that are in conflict with my belief system. A well thought out campaign could convince many others of like mind to do the same.
by treyjackson on Oct 27, 2010 4:25 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 5 recs
haha
good luck with that bud
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by Johnathan Willis on Oct 27, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Getting MMA fans to care about politics is like getting MMA fan to respect fighters. Good luck.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 27, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
treyjackson.... chill guy.. My friends are having a rally. You should come.

by Lil_Machete on Oct 27, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 11 recs
fuck yes
i will be there in full force. Camelbacks full of redbull/vodka and a box full of blunts
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by eastcoastatlas on Oct 27, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
"My guess is a majority of the UFC fanbase is NOT liberal extremist."
Liberal Extremists really really really are few and far between in your country.
I don’t know if people are just unfamiliar with the wider world but what many call liberal is this country, even far-left, would be centralist in most western nations.
Yeah.
I said something about that earlier too. The American far left is centrist and sometimes even pretty far right on a lot of issues when compared to other western countries.
Are you saying
That Canada is overrun by leftists?
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by The American Ronin on Oct 27, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I am not saying anything, just offering some perspective.
Canada is great though. I just wish we had better weather…
I was
just giving you grief…
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by The American Ronin on Oct 27, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Even those who hold liberal views
for the most part avoid that label like the plague…
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by The American Ronin on Oct 27, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
That is because the term is painted with negative connotations in the US.
And as scary as liberalism is painted to be in the US, it really hasn’t done much harm to the number of countries with more liberal views. The Nordic countries are lovely places for example.
My guess is a majority of the UFC fanbase is NOT liberal extremist.
Ha… you’re implying that White or Reid are even close to what I would deem “progressive” is laughable.
And I think the only one that would qualify as an “extremist” is Reid’s political opponent… regardless of your political persuasion.
As a liberal extremist myself
Harry Reid ain’t no liberal extremist. You shoulda seen who WE wanted as Majority Leader…
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I live in Vegas
obviously. I’m going to go ahead and be smart and quiet about my opinions on the whole thing. But man… people around here are really emotionally invested and divided.
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We just had municipal elections here in Toronto this week
And I get the emotional investment, it was a very heated campaign that has really divided this city and the results have left people with somewhat of a bad taste in their mouths. But the upswing to all that is that we had the highest voter turnout we’ve had for municipal elections in decades. Emotional investment means people will vote.
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In my own very limited experiance
The early voting turn out for this election had more people in line than when I showed up for the Presidential election. I was shocked.
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by Chris Barton on Oct 27, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
The US would have much higher turnout
Simply by holding elections on Saturdays…
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by The American Ronin on Oct 27, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Which is exactly why it won't happen.
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Really divided the city, left people with a bad taste, AND they have to live together?
Intriguing, most intriguing… would be interested in seeing if “actually different / emotionally invested” politics can avoid spilling into violence.
Have you ever been Toronto?
We’re pretty peaceful here and the notion of violence over a municipal election is pretty silly. This is the best city in the world and one of the reasons is our ability to have non violent debate. People will point to the G20 summit over the summer, but those people weren’t Torontonians.
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Its a great city, love going there, besides..
With an unemployment rate of 15% (Las Vegas) and the highest unemployment rate of all the states NV (14%) in the nation, whats not there to like about Reid.
Good try, Nevada’s rate of growth, the housing bust and their tourist/entertainment-related economy left them completely exposed during this financial horror story.
“Conservatives” do not have a very good track record in fiscal responsibility and job growth regardless of what their election pamphlets say.
Are you serious?
You are saying those numbers are incorrect? That’s not a “conservative” state like you said by any stretch, and funny you bring up the entertainment/tourism bust when Obama who is arguably one of the few people in the Democratic Party that is above Reid openly put down and discouraged and warned people from going down to Las Vegas not too long after he got elected. Hell, that pissed off a lot of people down there, and still does.
Those numbers aren’t incorrect, but you’re implying that Reid’s solely responsible for those numbers, which is bogus.
I never said it was a conservative state, I’m saying that politicians and political hacks that shout about being fiscally and politically “conservative” often do the most damage to the economy… Rondald Reagan, who tripled the national debt, is a good example.
Dont know dude.
Maybe he is not 100% solely responsible but as powerful as he is, he pretty much played a good part in it. Especially considering his position of power which is pretty damn high. You also jogged my memory with something else you said. That I read quite a while ago, that you might want to look at. Its something I asked myself quite a while ago about who is more fiscally responsible in terms of all these states we are starting to bail out. Since its in the news nonstop now. Its an interesting read.
One thing their political masters are great at
is creating false dichotomies and rallying the mind-dead into a frenzy. Only people with no self-respect and dignity participate in the political process — it’s collusion in one’s own suckering.
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Good, that long screed got deleted
It was tl;dr and didn’t belong here.
Interestingly enough, Shane McMahon’s wife is running for the Senate too, isn’t she?
Get rid of the ramp!
Yep, his mother
it was said that he’d left WWE to help his mother’s campaign, but apparently also to do non-WWE-related projects.
from mmalogic
who had a brilliant point lost in an off-topic political rant. here’s the good part, from mmalogic:
Now make no mistake ZUffa’s position was very much earned and deserved however I am going to illustrate for the first time how it keeps this position beyond what market the forces dictate:
Imagine for a second trying to compete with the market leader who has 90% plus of the market share… hard right? it’s doable and has been done throughout history, but now imagine trying to do it while the government says you have to deliver the exact same product…. has never been done.
Now you’re starting to understand why Dana says "we run to regulation".
The biggest outside threat to Zuffa is not copycact version of the UFC (which we’ve seen hasnt worked and will never work)… the biggest threat to ZUffa is a true innovation to it’s product.
The market hasnt decided whether they prefer 1 round fights at 15 minutes or 3 rounds at 5…. the market hasnt decided whether they prefer the unified rules and judging over a different model… Soccer kicks, knees on the ground, etc… and guess what? they will never get a chance to unless it becomes part of Zuffa’s product first.
Imagine if the government regulated the video rental business and decided how you rented videos… Netflix would have never been and blockbuster would have had an artificial competitive advantage just like Zuffa.
Who loses in the end? the general interest is the loser and the special interest is the winner.
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by Nate Wilcox on Oct 28, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Both of them are idiots
/political discussion. Can we talk titties again?
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I find it interesting that Randy Couture, who’s a fairly conservative Republican, is supporting Harry Reid. It’s also interesting that the Fertitta’s and Dana are supporting Reid, considering they have a history of supporting Republicans in the past (McCain, Bush).
I think this has more to do with them thinking that Reid is going to help them out in some way down the line, rather than them actually supporting Reid and his political agenda.
"Nobody can be a champion forever." - Muhammad Ali
Reid's a Mormon and pretty conservative on social issues
Drives Dems like me crazy. Wish he had a set of stones unstead of a leash yanked by the R’s in the Senate. Just MAKE the R’s filibuster already, will ya? Make them get up there and read the phone book for 48 hours if they want to stop a bill. MAKE THEM DO IT!
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Well, conservative Republicans think Reid is second only to Satan himself. Hence, the reason why it’s puzzling that someone like Couture would support him. Obviously the Fertitta’s and Dana are going to support Reid as he comes to the shows and supports them. They want to be on his good side and have a friend in high places. But Couture endorsing him doesn’t make a whole heck of a lot of sense.
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Re: your post title
He doesn’t even need a leash, just look at what you wrote for the title…
its quite obvious
No serious, educated conversation can be had if the starting point is Harry Reid is centrist or far from “progressive”. If that’s what you believe, no point in going any further on that topic.
Since you have made your support of Reid known and have also proclaimed his opponent as the extremist, I think your views are fairly obvious. So:
Would you mind if White was out campaigning for Sharon Angle? What if he was contributing to the coffers and stumping for every republican that you despise? Would that be acceptable? Is it only acceptable twhen he supports your position?
You can laugh and shrug it off as any way you like, post a few pics ridiculing me, whatever. The fact is its shows a lack of depth on your behalf. Any way you slice it, MOST people do not like seeing non-political companies start taking sides. Regardless of which side White chooses, there will always be 50% who disagree.
There is a reason White has been careful until now with how public they are in politics. If you dont understand why he has been so careful, well then, you don’t understand much at all. Best,
by treyjackson on Oct 27, 2010 7:21 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs
This is an MMA site, not a politics site.
It’s not serious political discourse. It is an analysis of one of the sport’s most important figures openly supporting a politician and if that may or may not help the sport.
And he's saying if you disagree with him, there is no point discussing the issue
Don’t forget that part.
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So, if we disagree with you, we can't be educated, serious or discuss anything?
Quite the world view you have there. Must be lonely.
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Libruls blablalalargharrrrghgrrerrblalarggghhh!
Conservatives blafrghblraggggggghrrerartrrrarrrroargh!
Can we talk about fights please? Sheesh.
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by Earl Montclair on Oct 27, 2010 8:40 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I thought we were?
Ohhhhhhhhh…you mean MMA fights!
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by CasualMMAFan on Oct 27, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Political Capital?
I think especially in a year like this year it would behoove Dana to stay out of politics altogether. Let the races sort themselves out and then decide who wants to play ball. Reid’s numbers suck nationally and are pretty pathetic in Nevada. Why piss of anyone if you don’t have to? He picks one of the most divisive figures in American politics to back. It is bad business. Where are his PR people?
by bloody bill on Oct 27, 2010 10:21 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Prima Facie, this really comes off more like Dana’s obsession with loyalty rising to the surface. I don’t easily see how this benefits him all that much, and could actually be a bit of a thorn in his side. I assume that he’s doing this more as a favor than as a deft maneuver as part of marketing-political coup.
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