Does Fedor Regret Ducking Brock Lesnar and the UFC?
A little over one year ago the short-lived Affliction fighting promotion collapsed when Josh Barnett failed a drug test and his fight with Fedor Emelianenko was cancelled. The ensuing bidding war between the UFC and Strikeforce for Fedor's services was a critical turning point for the sport.
At the time Fedor was essentially undefeated and had been the undisputed top heavyweight in the world since 2003 and had just crushed two former UFC champs in his Affliction tenure. Brock Lesnar had just unified the UFC titles by crushing Frank Mir at UFC 100. Fans were salivating at the prospect of Brock Lesnar vs Fedor Emelianenko for all the marbles. Dana White guaranteed he would give them the fight.
But Fedor's management had other ideas. They elected to sign with Strikeforce for a variety of reasons, some political (an aversion to helping the UFC establish a monopoly on world wide MMA), some personal (Dana's habit of smack talking Fedor in the press), some business related (lucrative deals with EA Games and CBS Sports). There was also an undercurrent that Fedor's management didn't want him to face Brock Lesnar in the cage, with elbows where Fedor could lose via cut.
In the ensuing year, especially after Fedor's 69 second submission to Fabricio Werdum, the consensus has been that time and the heavyweight division had passed The Last Emperor by.
Now that Brock's been "Cain-ed" things don't seem so clear cut. Here's Kevin Iole handicapping Fedor vs Brock and Fedor vs Cain:
Brock's biggest weakness is a questionable chin and horrendous defensive boxing. Fedor is a hard puncher, and I think he'd hurt Brock on the feet and finish him similar to Cain. I think a Velasquez-Emelianenko bout would be an amazing match. I'd favor Velasquez now because he's more in his prime, but I wouldn't totally rule out an Emelianenko win.
I've been very critical of M-1 Global, Fedor's management team. It's very clear in retrospect that they blew it when they signed with Strikeforce rather than the UFC. They compounded that error by holding out and skipping Strikeforce's second CBS show in April. In the end, they neither protected Fedor nor got him big time exposure and it's clear that they missed a huge opportunity for their man to show what he could do against a compelling and formidable, but flawed UFC champ.
It's still possible that Fedor and the UFC will cut a deal, never rule anything out in the fight game, but it's unlikely.
Let's end with this near-poignant quote from the time from then M-1 exec Jerry Millen:
"I think M-1's new alliance with SHOWTIME and Strikeforce will allow Fedor to reach a whole new plateau of stardom in America. While Affliction was a great partner, their core business was not the fight game. SHOWTIME has been in the fight business for years and Scott Coker has been promoting martial arts for a long time. With Strikeforce's long track record of promoting fights and SHOWTIME's promotional resources, Fedor now has a real shot to become the most famous fighter in all of MMA."
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Im so done with any Fedor news.....
Fight Matrix has him ranked 4 but hes lucky to be there these days…..
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fedor 4th after one lost? your dad should’ve pulled out
by abatoir on Oct 27, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Well, a lot of people were critical of the quality of opponents he had faced for several years before the loss. Arlovski’s glass chin… an unproven Brett Rogers… then a laundry list of unqualified opponents before that.
very true.....
Im not a hater. I think it would have been awesome to have Fedor come to the UFC originally…. but not now.
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It would still be awesome and you’re a dumbass for saying it wouldn’t be.
by Confucius on Oct 27, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
mmmmm
everybody says arlovski has a glass chin but it doesnt matter who gets hit with a hard ass punch, theyre going down. in his last fight vs bigfoot, silva was hammering him. his chin seemed fine. when fedor fought andrei and tim, they were both ranked. rogers was ranked, fedor ruins careers. cain, lesnar, carwin, jds have all fought lackluster opponents, who hasnt???
One loss, yes – but a significant one at that (while Werdum isn’t a world-beater, the manner in which Fedor lost makes it all kinds of significant) and before that, Fedor hadn’t exactly faced a murderer’s row of opponents. He beat Crocop in 2005 and since then faced Zuluzinho, Coleman, Hunt, Lindland, Choi, Sylvia, Arlovski and Rogers. While there are some name fighters in there, they were either in the wrong weight class or past their sell-by dates.
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by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Oct 27, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
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by DJ Pullout on Oct 27, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
The manner is which he lost?
You mean knocking him down, trying to GnP from guard, escaping Guard, then getting overconfident and going back in, getting tricked by the fake armbar into triangle by “best HW off his back” . Everyone talks about it like he got systematically taken apart.
by JoePalooka on Oct 27, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
the armbar wasnt fake.
Its a double attack.
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by the-gentle-way on Oct 27, 2010 2:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
IIRC
There was an initial armbar attempt that Fedor got out of easily, presumably leading to the over-confidence that caused him to then jump back in near the fence. Whether it was a ploy by Werdum or not, I can’t say…
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by The American Ronin on Oct 27, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Who the hell has CAIN BEAT?
Old past prime Nog or wait out of shape Rothwell, no wait…..Denis Stojnić, Kongo……..Really? Or a 280 wrestler? These guys aren’t exactly "Murder’s at all. Give me a fucking break. Cain is no better than Fedor when it comes to competition
by Pimp_man on Oct 27, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
Wut?
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by Chris Barton on Oct 27, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
naw son
lesnar fights a has been herring, mir and couture, but he is still a god before saturday??? its hypocrisy!
fedor was over confident, got tapped out by the best bjjj guy in the heavyweight div.
werdum isnt a bum, he isnt a ufc reject, he left due to contract issues.
by abatoir on Oct 27, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Cain jumps to one, Lesnar moves to 2, Werdum to 3, Fedor to 4.
Even if you don’t rank them that way, it’s certainly defensible.
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I have him lower than that.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 27, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
That's M1's fault, not Fedor's, and who knows how little money the UFC offered them
Up to that point, he made a truckload more money by signing with M1 in 2007 rather than the UFC. He had no reason not to trust them.
I really hate how bad decisions are all M1’s fault, but people love to say how he is part owner of M1 whenever discussing how messed up it is that M1 gets a huge consulting fee every time he fights.
No one know how things work exactly, that’s why I always treat Fedor and M1 as one unit.
let's face it.
Fedor beating Lesnar is not as straight forward as they say. Is Fedor the better fighter? that’s not even the question. Styles make matchups. Brock has problem with big punchers who can wrestle. Can’t he take Fedor down at will? He may get subbed but at least Brock won’t look desperate as he did against Cain when Cain got back up quickly twice.
by SheepleBuster on Oct 27, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Getting up from underneath is not wrestling
Wrestlers don’t do that. They prevent the takedown, and prevent getting put flat on their back, because that’s what gives their opponent points or a win. A lot of wrestlers look lost on their back when starting in MMA.
Getting up is an MMA skill, and one what Fedor excels at. HMC is no Brock in skill, but he is damn strong (imagine having 230 lbs hanging from one arm above the ground), much heavier, and had Fedor in the same headlock half-guard position as Brock had Mir in. Countless fighters have been on top of Fedor, and he gets out. He’s got a powerful core and explosive hips.
Cain’s pure wrestling ability wasn’t a big factor in his win. It delayed a Brock takedown, and dished some mild punishment when he sort of took Brock down, but that’s pretty much it. The rest was just well rounded MMA skill.
by Mint on Oct 27, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Fedor spend some time on his back against Brett Rogers
Yes. He got up. But he wasn’t like Velasquez, getting up the very second. He took punches. I am not saying that Lesnar beats Fedor. I am saying to say, oh Cain beat Lesnar so easily so Fedor would demolish him when the guy has looked poor in his last two fights, I am not sure.
We all saw what Overeem did to Rogers so it’s not like Brett was a world beater when he faced Fedor. Brock would simply keep taking Fedor down. Can Fedor catch him? yes. All I am saying is, Fedor is actually a better match up for Brock than Cain.
by SheepleBuster on Oct 27, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Fedor is probably a better match up for Brock
And a worse matchup for Cain.
Styles make fights.
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by menckenstein on Oct 27, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
that's all I am saying.
Of course he is worse for Cain because he has that “it” thing. He pulls off knock outs from his arse. Having said that, Cain is a very good wrestler. Brock has the size and wrestling on Fedor. Cain has cardio, wrestling, and that punching in bunches thing going. if he gets you down, you won’t have time to think about what submission you are gonna pull off. Not before getting hit 50 times in the first 10 seconds
by SheepleBuster on Oct 27, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Cain did a good job of staying calm (without becoming complacement) during Brock's initial blitzkrieg
And that’s the “it” thing that Fedor has, he’s always calm. Machida, too, but in that rematch with Shogun he lost his cool and got starched. Shogun, while highly aggressive, also remains calm. Mir on the other hand, RELAXES, which is about the worst thing you can do in the face of an aggressive opponent.
Can’t stay on top without keeping focus.
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by menckenstein on Oct 27, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
lol complacement
I luv werds n lernin
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by menckenstein on Oct 27, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
speaking of werds
Even Cain was saying that he wasn’t relaxed enough at points, so I don’t that’s what you were looking at with Mir.
His problem is that he is too comfortable getting hit in the face. He doesn’t protect himself or get out of trouble, and then eventually digs himself too big a hole to get out of.
Machida was not calm because let's face it
M.Thai beats Karate. It’s just a bad style. Machida would have lost his leg the 2nd time over 5 rounds. I think Machida can beat Rua in a 3 rounder maybe 6 out of 10 times. In 5 rounds, Shogun will do a lot of damage to the Dragon.
Of course, Shogun wants to fight Couture which is something. I am sure if Brock called out Couture, he’d be dubbed as scared or someone who is ducking real competition.
As far as Fedor, it’s not the calmness. Not just that. I have seen calm fighters before. Fedor is like a cat. You can drop him from a top of the tree and he lands on his feet. So unless you completely kill him with punches, which no one has done, or pull like 4 submission combo on him, he’ll get you
by SheepleBuster on Oct 27, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I think the blanket "MT is better then Karate" statement
is very misleading. It didn’t help Thiago much. I think the way that Rua implemented his MT against Machida makes it seem like MT is way better then Karate, but I think it’s more accurate to attribute Rua’s win to his speed, strength and aggressiveness.
Forget Rogers
Look at Randleman, Coleman, HMC, Hunt, Nog, etc. Fedor has no problem with wrestlers, has no problem with mass/size/strength, and has no problem being on the bottom in the most precarious of positions.
Fedor’s skill and ability makes him really hard to hold down. This ability has nothing to do with wrestling. Thiago Alves is similar. I bet JDS is also like that.
Would Brock have an easier time with Fedor? Well, he’d probably have an easier time against Cain in a rematch, too, but he’d still easily lose to both. Carwin needed about 1 minute of non-wrestling standup to fuck him up. Cain needed about two. JDS and Fedor probably need 1 minute.
Fedor’s toughest opponents in the UFC have always been JDS and Cain. Carwin will have a chance, but probably not a big one. Brock is the smallest threat.
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by DayGeaux on Oct 27, 2010 9:13 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Headline may be a tad bit misleading.
“There was also an undercurrent that Fedor’s management didn’t want him to face Brock Lesnar in the cage, with elbows where Fedor could lose via cut. ”
This is the only sentance in the piece that even remotely implies that Fedor ducked Brock… And there’s nothing to back it up. Good thought provoking piece as always, just didn’t understand the emphasis on Fedor “ducking Brock” in the title.
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by MMArazorback on Oct 27, 2010 9:21 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 11 recs
Solid point
I thought that too. That part of the article felt like it was throwing in BS in order to support it’s main premis.
Other than that it’s a good read.
The fight I’m salivating for right now is Cain vs Reem.
i never seen lesnar as a proficient elbow'r
and imagine if fedor used elbows, fedor doesn’t duck anyone
trying to get the idea of regret and missed opportunity in the headline
should probably have used “avoided” instead. headlines are there to tickle and tease.
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by Nate Wilcox on Oct 27, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
True
Hey, it got me to read and comment!
Certainly not meaning to nitpick. You know I think y’all are the shiiiiiiit.
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by MMArazorback on Oct 27, 2010 11:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’m willing to bet Fedor made more money by signing deals with Strikeforce, EA, Shotime and CBS
The rest is just hearsay.
by RS26 on Oct 27, 2010 9:50 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I’m pretty sure you guys are both insane.
Randy was making a million a fight just from the UFC before he “resigned.” And we know that they offered Fedor a better contract than that. We also know that Randy gave up his lawsuit to get out of the UFC when he realized that he would make more money in the UFC than if he won and was able to fight Fedor in Affliction. Now Randy wasn’t going to be getting the M-1 consulting fee, but he still was promised a fat payday.
Also take into account the sponsorship money that could have been gained by fighting on mega UFC PPVs and stuff. He left money on the table.
The consulting fee is huge
Remember that Fedor doesn’t pay US income tax on it. It’s a business fee, and then M1 pays Fedor in Russia (low tax). I don’t like this kind of tax evasion, but it’s reality.
I think this is where much of the copromotion demands came from, and also why M1 said that they would be earning less with the UFC offer than they were in recent fights.
apples to oranges
Randy is a known draw for the casual fans, Fedor is not.
He’s won the UFC championship 100 times… Dana did NOT want him fighting anywhere else.
Brock Money
It was reported last week that Brock is making $5m/fight plus endorsements. I have a hard time believing that Fedor wasn’t offered at least as much as Brock is making, plus his endorsements would have been a hell of a lot more valuable fighting in the big show instead of in front of 400,000 on Showtime.
Why do you think that? Brock has more than justified his salary (only $400K of which is guaranteed, BTW) by delivering consistent million-selling PPVs with him in the main event, an accomplishment no other UFC Champion EVER can boast. Fedor doesn’t have that track record, so no reason for his guaranteed payout to be higher than Brock’s, nor would there be reason to believe that his PPV cut would be larger. And if he isn’t generating Lesnar buyrates, he won’t make Lesnar money.
by madiq on Oct 27, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Biggest Contract Ever
Because it was reported that they offered him more money than anyone they’ve ever signed. Plus, all of the main draws are making well into the 7 figures every time they fight, which I bet by the time Vadim gets his hands on the $1.5m or whatever the amount is now for consulting fee, I bet their isn’t a huge chunk left for Fedor.
If Fedor has left money on the table
I get a bit of satisfaction from that. Would I like to see him in the octagon? Sure, but M-1 makes me sick.
I should have satyed out of Cain’s strawberry patch.
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Man, there’s 5 new opinion pieces a day on brock, from every angle. There’s so much bandwagon jumping on and off and baseless claims picked out of thin air with these websites.
I dont think fedor ever ducked anyone in pride, or SF or the UFC, his management couldnt agree on a contract, that’s it.
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by Nate Wilcox on Oct 27, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I dont read the opinion pieces.
Since Sat night there has been a flood of opinions posted on “these websites” about Brock, much like when Fedor lost, and since they vary in opinion so much, you lose credibility and consistency of these opinions.. It seems there is so much confidence in analyzing the fighters before the fight, but after the fight you just throw millions of question marks up whereever you can find them, with no editing process.
What ends up happening is more people end up visiting these sites for results and interviews, than opinions which vary from morning to afternoon.
So a large staff has to share the same opinion to maintain credibility?
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by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 27, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
No. of course diff opinions after outcomes are natural.
In sports, some media think that it is their job to come up with story lines that will help sell the particular sport.
“Fedor Regretting Ducking Brock” that’s an opinion alright, filled with debate. And I think real story lines get lost over long careers because of these ADD opinions the week following a fight.
It's all business
If two sides can’t agree, then a contract isn’t signed. That’s pretty much the long and short of it.
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by II SMASH II on Oct 27, 2010 10:28 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
The real reason for signing with SF is
Fedor would have made far more money in the UFC, but M-1 makes far more with the Strikeforce co-promotion deal, therefore M-1, in their role as fiduciary only to themselves, of course chose the SF deal.
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by The American Ronin on Oct 27, 2010 12:31 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Isnt Fedor part owner of M1 and has lots of training partners in it?
I dont think He likes the UFC’s marketing either, or the way Dana operation and uses fear tactics with fighters.
There is far more to the situation than simply “the UFC offered a lot of money, Fedor is scared, M-1 is corrupt.” There’s a lot of truth to each of those but the whole story is likely much more complex than those simple talking points that it is often reduced down to.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 27, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I really think it boils down to how much M-1 overestimated the amount of money to be made in the American market and underestimated the extent to which the UFC has monopolized that same market. They thought they could either build their own moneymaking promotion and/or make a boxing-type payday off ppv, or they couldn’t bear the thought that no matter what the UFC was offering it was a pittance of what the fight would have brought in. They would not budge on what they thought was their “fair” share.
And IIRC
They were unwilling to do it as a percentage, instead insisting on hard numbers, because they felt the UFC would somehow cheat them…
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by The American Ronin on Oct 27, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
He is said to be a minority owner
I have heard numbers like a 10% – 20% stake.
But as anyone who has ever run a small business will confirm, if you aren’t the majority owner, you are screwed aside from if the company as a whole is sold or you are bought out. By the time all of the “operating expenses” are pulled out, there very little “income” remaining.
I suspect the relationship works something like “The Professional” with Fedor as Leon and Fink as Tony (the Danny Aillo character)
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by The American Ronin on Oct 27, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
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by The American Ronin on Oct 27, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
So long as the goal posts keep moving, Fedor will never be in the UFC.
However, that being said, if he ever does make it to the UFC, then it’ll be an awesome day to be a fan. Imagine all the fight possibilities? Fedor/Lesnar, Fedor/Cain, Fedor/Carwin, Fedor/Couture, Fedor/JDS, etc. Or, dare I say it, Fedor / A. Silva?
i take issue with the title of this article.
Fedor don’t duck nobody!
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M-1 is different today than it was in the past (I hope)
You have to remember the path of M-1. They were formed with Monte Cox telling them he would deliver UFC fighters. He sucked in everyone from Sibling Entertainment to Mark Cuban and he delivered HMC and Tim Sylvia. He left and the worst guy was put in charge, Vadim. We all know the deal with him. In January they hired Evgeni Kogan to be the head of operations.. He seems to be a pragmatic businessman, he is young, he grew up outside of Russia, even though he is Russian. Let’s see what happens this go around with Fedor and free agency. I think the results will be different. But, we’ll see.
I’ve been saying Cain would beat Fedor ever since Australia. Fedor probably doesn’t give a damn – and ultimately, his management probably squeezed all they could out of his winning streak, which would have ended much, much sooner in the UFC.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 27, 2010 4:14 PM EDT reply actions
I'm glad Fedor didn't sign with the UFC
For one, SF has a better HW division. And secondly, UFC is too constricting of its fighters – to the point that M-1 doesn’t approve of. The second point I could care less about, but the first point I think is crucial. Yes UFC has Brock, JDS, and Cain. But SF has Overeem, Werdum, AA, Big Foot, and others. Even though Fedor hasn’t fought all of them yet by any stretch, its still a better place for him to be.
And as for Fedor vs Brock? Fedor would easily take that. He hits too hard/has too much experience for Brock to handle. Cain presents a different skill set, but I’d still prolly take Fedor in that fight as well.
by phillynix on Oct 27, 2010 4:32 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Does the writer of this article regret writing one of the most biased titles I’ve seen in recent months ?
The Fedor bashing by the MMA journalists is getting ridiculous; initially it might have helped you sell your articles (or gain more readers) but now you simply sound like people who can’t let go. Move on already !
P.S.: People comparing Cain and Fedor are make a stupid comparison.
Cain is arguably near his prime while Fedor’s prime was years ago.
Although I agree that Cain is incredible and should be ranked the #1 HW today, he is nowhere near having the kind of legacy Fedor has. Cain’s only opponent who was a top10 HW at the moment they fought is Lesnar, a good wrestler who is rather green in MMA (i.e. he has huge holes in his game).

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