Herschel Walker and Bernard Hopkins Debate MMA vs. Boxing
by Nick Thomas on Oct 26, 2010 9:16 AM EDT
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1) Why do you think boxing is better than Mixed Martial Arts?
2) Which sport has better athletes?
3) Which sport will be more popular a decade from now?
4) If its a street fight, you [Herschel] & Bernard Hopkins...who wins that fight & why?
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thanks again nick thomas
I was wondering what happened to my “fanshot”
by higgledy-piggledy on Oct 26, 2010 9:19 AM EDT reply actions
B-Hop may have spent an entire career getting punched in the face
But he’s still more understandable than Tito. Yikes.
The video stopped playing half way through (thanks to my employer’s network) but what I did see was actually pretty good. Neither of them really made a killer argument for “their” sport but it’s worth watching.
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I think boxing has a greater strategic element than MMA
MMA has a more strategies, but boxing has a greater strategy. To beat a man using only your hands requires a really high-level of strategy whereas in MMA you have a lot of options.
I gave the first to Herschel.
I gave the second to Hopkins.
I gave the third to Hopkins.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 26, 2010 9:22 AM EDT reply actions
Isn't that like saying...
The British had a better strategic element in war because they beat people when they stood in a line?
by Akatalinich on Oct 26, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So checkers requires more strategy than chess?
by Mint on Oct 26, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Perfect answer. If boxing required more strategy, you’d see a lot more huge upsets, as you do in MMA. MMA is chess, or Go, to boxing’s checkers in my opinion. You never have an MMA fight locked up until it’s over, because one punch, one moment, can flip the board completely.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Oct 26, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
“…Mixed Martial Arts doesn’t really need to be who they are, boxing has that” [Bernard Hopkins]
What was he trying to say, b/c it just sounded like gibberish to me.
by higgledy-piggledy on Oct 26, 2010 9:23 AM EDT reply actions
"the MMA" :)
I think the better athlete is the better athlete, Ima ask the question to have everybody thinking, who’s the better athlete, the MMA [fighter]. I’ll say that I am a boxer. An athlete can do multiple things. I never could. I tried to play Basketball, I don’t jump that high. I tried to play Football, I got bad hands. But I am the better Boxer. [Hopkins]
Someone try and make sense of that statement b/c I’m trying hard to understand what he’s trying to say. But I’m confused.
by higgledy-piggledy on Oct 26, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s not about which sport has the better athletes it’s about who the better athlete is period. Brock couldn’t make the Minnesota Vikings and became an MMA fighter, does that mean he is not a great athlete? No, it means that he sucks at football compared to pro football players.
That’s pretty much what Hopkins was getting at except he used a boxing example instead. He sucked at other sports but he is still a good boxer. I don’t think that great athletes are exclusive to any particular sport.
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by exsanguinator on Oct 26, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Pretty silly “debate”, but it was nice to see two guys that clearly have a lot of respect and admiration for each other.
"Caol Uno was like Mutoh. He developed into a star overseas and then returned to his home country a much bigger deal. Dokonjonosuke Mishima is like Kobashi because they both do moonsaults. Don Frye is like Stan Hansen because they are both fat dumb rednecks with mustaches." - Jonathan Snowden
Questions asked:
1) Why do you think boxing is better than Mixed Martial Arts?
I love this question because it excites me to see how much more potential MMA has.
Boxing is better because the skill level is higher, way higher. MMA has too many arts to be highly skilled at all or most of them. Not many MMA fighters have a high skill level of their sport. In MMA a fighter may be a really good boxer, or wrestler, or jui jitsu etc. but few and I want to emphasize few are highly skilled at more than one art. Give it some time though and all MMA fighters will be highly skilled in more than one art. If MMA should become an Olympic sport and thus allow fighters to have an amatuer career this would allow fighters to have the time and experience to build that skill. I am very excited about this becoming an olympic sport.
2) Which sport has better athletes?
Overall Boxing but wrestlers are probably better or equally conditioned. When you have MMA fighters gassing out in one round, man what the heck.
3) Which sport will be more popular a decade from now?
MMA without a doubt but will probably never surpass boxing but can be its equal. Boxing is just way to old, it has way more history. Its just like any other sport like swimming and track and field these guys just get better and better. We will one day see someone faster than Mayweather and more exciting than Tyson. In MMA we see this every couple of months.
4) If its a street fight, you [Herschel] & Bernard Hopkins…who wins that fight & why?
Street fight? Sorry but Bernard has this one. From the streets of Philly and some prison time.
I am glad that Bernard left out his comments from last year
When he said “MMA fighters wear panties and rub their nuts in each other face”
by SimplePsych on Oct 26, 2010 1:57 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The main reason I think boxing is screwed is just organizational. It’ll stay around, and top guys will probably continue to do alright, but the lack of overall organizations who contract the fighters and make the fights themselves is going to continue to hurt boxing. The lack of finishes or even compelling fights with upset possibilities also hurts boxing by making it far too predictable. The same crazy instability that makes MMA fans nuts, is also one of it’s greatest strengths.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Oct 26, 2010 6:34 PM EDT reply actions
interesting..
I liked it, they were both respectful of each other and each sport. As a former amateur boxer, I wrestled a little in high school and I found wrestling practices to be more physically demanding than my boxing workouts, though my boxing training was much longer timewise. Taking two people of equal ability, I would speculate it would take more athletic ability to be a success at MMA than boxing.
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