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UFC 121: Lesnar vs. Velasquez Post-Fight Recap and Analysis

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I'm usually a bundle of nerves before a big fight. I get that feeling in my stomach normally reserved for that moment before you decide to make a move on your high school crush. I have a lot riding on the line: my money, my word, my ego. Just get the fight over so I know whether I'm right or wrong.

Yet, when Cain Velasquez and Brock Lesnar walked into the cage at UFC 121, I maintained a sense of inner peace. Maybe it was the sense that even though I picked the champion, I would be excited to witness the dawn of the Cain Velasquez era. Or maybe it was the five beers and the lack of caloric intake throughout the day.

Whatever the case, I'm satisfied with tonight's result even if my wallet's a little lighter. Let's hit the bullet points.

  • Cain Velasquez fulfilled his destiny. I first heard about Velasquez on the Jordan Breen Show back in 2008 before his debut at UFC 83. Even then, with a 2-0 record compiled in the pre-Fedor Strikeforce and the post-Fedor Bodog Fight, Jordan hyped up Velasquez not just as a blue-chip heavyweight prospect, but as the modern-era version of Fedor Emelianenko. I bought into the hype from day one, and I regret falling in love with the size, strength, and athleticism of the South Dakota farmboy. Maybe "regret" is not the right word. And while I'm not unsure of Cain's ability to carry the UFC on his shoulders, I'm excited to witness his career bloom.
  • Where does Brock Lesnar go from here? Junior dos Santos is lined up for the next title shot. Shane Carwin is fighting Roy Nelson. Pitting Brock with Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira might find Dana White and Joe Silva charged with manslaughter or worse. Brendan Schaub? Seems like a huge step up that he isn't ready for. Which leaves...the Frank Mir rubber match!
  • This fight was huge. "Brock Lesnar" and "Velasquez" were trending on Twitter for hours leading up to the event. That, as far as I can recall, is a first for a UFC pay-per-view. An hour and a half after the end of the main event, the following phrases are trending on Twitter: Velasquez, Brock Lesnar, #ufc121, Lesner, Heavyweight, Brown Pride. On the same night as the deciding game of a major league championship series, six of the top ten trending topics on Twitter are MMA/UFC related.
  • I scored the Shields/Kampmann fight 29-28 for Martin Kampmann. Again, by this part of the night I had consumed my fair share of adult beverages and was rooting heavily for the Dane. Round one goes to Shields for controlling the fight and outgrappling Kampmann. Round two goes to Kampmann, who rocked Shields twice with knees. Round three goes to Kampmann who won the fight standing while Shields did nothing with his top control on the floor. In any case, someone needs to bring me the head of the judge who scored that fight 30-27.
  • Speaking of bad scores, who turned in the 30-26 Sanchez card? The first round of this fight looked like a continuation of Diego Sanchez's fight with John Hathaway. Sanchez fought with the inspiration of a conscientious objector. My notes following the round read as follows: "Thiago taking fight to Diego." Diego turned it on in round two, with the turning point being his banshee-screaming slam of Paulo Thiago in the middle of round two. Yet, the first round was all Brazilian, and one judge awarded it to Sanchez. How?
  • The decline of Tito Ortiz continues. Ortiz again came out strong in a fight. He pushed forward, stayed active, and won round one on my card. He remained competitive in round two, but lost all hope in the third round. Matt Hamill plodded with his hands swaying at his hips, taunting Ortiz to land strikes to the head. Instead, Ortiz took slow power shot after slow power shot until succumbing to a takedown late in the fight. Ortiz is still durable enough to play the gatekeeper role at 205, but is that a role he's interested in fulfilling?
  • Brendan Schaub, legitimate heavyweight prospect. Gabriel Gonzaga, confirmed heavyweight gatekeeper. Schaub could have done more to finish off Gonzaga, but I'm also impressed with his ability to control a fight against a legitimate heavyweight for fifteen minutes. Gonzaga is the bigger story here as I think he cemented his spot as the UFC's gatekeeper at 265. He looked slow and hesitant from the opening bell and lacked the urgency that's all-too-common with fighters down two rounds heading into the final minutes of a bout.
  • Patrick Cote is who I thought he was. My reason for picking Tom Lawlor? (The dissenting opinion, might I add.) "Cote's lost to anybody with any sort of wrestling background."

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I called the Brock/Mir rematch a few days ago if he lost :b

But it’s the perfect rebound fight for Brock to get a rematch for his title and it will sell huge

"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13

by Noah'sArk on Oct 24, 2010 2:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Five beers? That’s it? Come on Fagan. Man up.

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by Tim Burke on Oct 24, 2010 3:00 AM EDT reply actions  

I’m like 160 pounds and drink a few times a month. I get drunk on the cheap, dawg.

by Mike Fagan on Oct 24, 2010 3:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I drink a few times a day. I wish I had something more witty to respond with, but…yeah.

Look away.

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by Tim Burke on Oct 24, 2010 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s all good. I am known to have a drink before noon sometimes. For the record: Not an alcoholic. :)

by pud333 on Oct 24, 2010 3:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

admitting u have a problem is the first step to recovery.

I am forever a TCB pitbull. No one can take that from me. No one. To all my brothers, sisters, and friends at TCB, I will one day come back.

by Michael Jester Morse on Oct 24, 2010 2:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

So brock maybe u should admit that u need to learn how to take a punch!

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by Michael Jester Morse on Oct 24, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brock/Mir 3

I want this
Then Mir can complain about another match

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by We All Hate Caleb on Oct 24, 2010 3:00 AM EDT reply actions  

The great thing about Mir/Brock 3

Is that they are 1-1, Mir can finally get the match he’s been dying for, the trash talk and history b/w the two will generate huge PPV buys, and Frank is still a big enough name and possible contender that it’s a win that can justify giving Brock his title rematch. If Frank wins he’s instantly a title contender. Just a win-win.

Though if Brock somehow manages to lose two in a row, I see him quitting MMA

"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13

by Noah'sArk on Oct 24, 2010 3:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Hey, guy. How you holding up? lol

Now you’re saying Brocks gonna quit MMA? lmao Seriously though, I think hes one embarrassment away from walking away.

Ring…Ring…Hello? Hi Vince….

Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."

by xFenixKnightx on Oct 24, 2010 3:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t believe Cain won! Eating a huge pile of crow right now lol! Big props to him! Of course I don’t like Lesnar so this was one of those times when I don’t mind being wrong :)

Yea Brock has a history of walking aways when things aren’t going the way he likes (like being taking out of the title picture in WWE). I certainly don’t see Brock wanting to stick around the UFC if he’s not going to be stay on top

"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13

by Noah'sArk on Oct 24, 2010 3:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

All good man jus messin with ya. I, and my whole household were actually really surprised at how Cain won. Damn that was such a good fight. Will never delete that DVR recording.

Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."

by xFenixKnightx on Oct 24, 2010 3:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great moment for Cain! He deserves all the credit he gets. No longer a doubter

This is how is see the HW division lining up in the next year or so

Cain vs. JDS (Cain Wins)
Carwin vs. Nelson (Carwin wins)
Brock vs. Mir III (Brock wins)
JDS vs. Carwin (Carwin wins)
Brock vs. Cain (Cain wins)
Carwin vs. Cain

"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13

by Noah'sArk on Oct 24, 2010 3:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Carwin over JDS, really? JDS has way better striking and cardio. I know Carwin has heavy hands, but JDS is not Mir (on the feet) or Gonzaga (with his chin).

by sBruce24 on Oct 24, 2010 3:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Can’t throw bombs from your back. It’s an interesting style matchup for sure.

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by Tim Burke on Oct 24, 2010 3:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s hardfor JDS to throw strikes if he get wrestled to the ground or pressed against the fence and dirty boxed into a coma

"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13

by Noah'sArk on Oct 24, 2010 3:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

When have we ever had reason to question his chin or his takedown defense? And even then, Carwin gasses like no other and was hurt by Gonzaga. Theres no way Carwin is such a clear cut favorite in that fight.

by sBruce24 on Oct 24, 2010 4:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

There are still questions about his TDD because he’s never faced a strong wrestler (I’m sorry Gonzaga and Roy do not count). Also, the reason Carwin pressed Mir against the fence and dirty boxed is because he felt Mir was the better technical striker and was a risk there. You could assume he would do the same to JDS if he wanted.

"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13

by Noah'sArk on Oct 24, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Time for Round-Robin for the Big 4

They kept Carwin, Velasquez and Dos Santos undefeated prior to their title bouts (by having them not fight each other). So we knew this day would come when we’d have a few years where those three + Brock will need to fight each other several times.

Who is the real “winner” and greatest HW of this time? We’ll know in about 2 years.

So far the scorecard is:

Cain 1-0
Brock 1-1
Carwin 0-1
JDS 0-0

by Django Z on Oct 24, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

The new gatekeeper

gets to beat up on the old gatekeeper. Who cares.
I’d rather see Brock – Carwin 2. After tonight, Carwin’s got to be licking his chops.

by Dootch on Oct 24, 2010 3:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think any good and/or powerful striker feels better about their chances about Brock. If Carwin actually gets his cardio issues resolved he would smash Brock.

And why do I get the feeling after tonight Fedor’s management is going to be saying something about Brock and wanting to fight him……

"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13

by Noah'sArk on Oct 24, 2010 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think so

there’s going to be a line around the block for hard hitters wanting a Brock match. After two successive fights where he’s crumpled like wet tissue paper when he gets tagged, even Arlovski would take a flyer on that.

by Dootch on Oct 24, 2010 3:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

The only thing is it’s going to take someone with a good sprawl pr ability to get back up mixed in with their striking to beat Brock. Cain did it. Carwin can do it if he straightens up his cardo. I’m not sure who else is out there to threaten Brock the way they can.

Fedor is still interesting against Brock because his stand-up is way ahead of Brock’s and he hits with huge power, and what he lacks in wrestling he makes up for with amazing submissions off his back.

"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13

by Noah'sArk on Oct 24, 2010 3:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think this is true. It’s all about competent wrestling vs Brock. If you can get back up, brocks options become very limited.

yet again, styles make fights

"I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight what you saw, in the ring"

by crinow on Oct 24, 2010 8:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I agree with everything said

including Beer Monster’s post above

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by Cory Braiterman on Oct 24, 2010 3:07 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I think Heath Herring deserves a rematch.

Lesnar/Herring II

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by Matthew Roth on Oct 24, 2010 3:09 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I’d like to see that.

So does this mean Cain is eating a roadkill burger and drinking a Coors Light about now?

by twodragunns on Oct 24, 2010 3:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Herring wants zero part of that

absolutely none. he’ll be making d movies for years before he rematches brock

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by Cory Braiterman on Oct 24, 2010 4:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fagan, I’m with you like 93% of the time. You analyze MMA like I do. I like that. But how in the world do you give Kampmann round two of that fight? He got mounted. MOUNTED. Jake drops for shots after he gets tagged pretty much all the time, it doesn’t mean he’s hurt. Kampmann got passed and clowned. Somewhere, a clown is thinking “holy shit, I should dress up like Martin Kampmann.”

I understand you had 5 beers, and while it’s not a liter of syrup, it might be a lot for you. I don’t know, correct me if I’m wrong. What I’m not wrong about is the fact that Jake Shields won the 2nd round of his fight against Martin Kampmann, judges and Mike Fagan be damned!

I hope we can continue to be friends…even though you have no idea who I am. Good day to you sir.

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by Tim Burke on Oct 24, 2010 3:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Mount doesn’t mean much if you don’t do anything with it, son. FightMetric agrees with me.

by Mike Fagan on Oct 24, 2010 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed. He did nothing with the mount and it was after getting beat the first 3 minutes of the round by Kampman

"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13

by Noah'sArk on Oct 24, 2010 3:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

That doesn’t compute with me. Getting to the most dominant position you can possibly get to is meaningful. Kevin Mulhall might disagree because he stands people up from mount in Bellator (I think it was Mulhall?), but come on. Two debatable knees are worth more than mount?

http://www.instrength.com

by Tim Burke on Oct 24, 2010 3:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not saying it’s not meaningful. I’m saying Kampmann’s output for the entire round > Shields output in the same round.

by Mike Fagan on Oct 24, 2010 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ultimately though, I don’t think Kampmann did himself any favors trying to fight Jake’s fight in the third. The whole time I was thinking, “WTF is he doing? Stand back up!”

by pud333 on Oct 24, 2010 3:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree with that, and said it it another thread. Hitman knows he doesn’t have KO power and wasn’t going to finish a guy that’s eaten shots from Daley and Hendo. It might sound ridiculous, but subbing him was probably the easier course of action.

http://www.instrength.com

by Tim Burke on Oct 24, 2010 3:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

It just seems dangerous to me for him to go to Jake’s strength. I guess he figured since he survived Jake’s attack early, by the third round, since Jake was gassed, he wasn’t in any real threat. Which is a fair enough bet.

by pud333 on Oct 24, 2010 3:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I get it, and I know my stance seems ridiculous. I’m just assessing it from inside Kampmann’s head. I saw it as “I know my weaknesses, and one of them is the inability to finish fights with my fists. He might be awesome on the ground, but I’m good too and exhaustion isn’t going to affect his chin…but it might affect his sub defense. Let’s strangle him!”

It was a losing proposition either way, and probably Devil’s Advocate response…I just didn’t see it as THAT crazy.

http://www.instrength.com

by Tim Burke on Oct 24, 2010 3:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

He had a couple nice opportunities for sure. More than what he did on the feet anyway…

by pud333 on Oct 24, 2010 4:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

For a half second or so, I really thought he had a D’Arce locked up. I stood up to run some laps around my living room for the finish…but Jake shrugged it off.

http://www.instrength.com

by Tim Burke on Oct 24, 2010 4:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Shields may have taken shots from Daley and Hendo...

but he looked HORRIBLY exhausted by the 3rd, and Kampmann does have power. He could have knocked Shields out in the condition he was in.

by sBruce24 on Oct 24, 2010 3:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m sure it’s possible, I’m not denying that. It’s not like anyone short of Marcelo Garcia has ever seen Jake tap. I’m just saying that from Kampmann’s point of view, knowing his own limitations, it’s not such a crazy course of action. My side of things is more about Martin and less about Jake. I’m not denying that it’s thin logic though.

http://www.instrength.com

by Tim Burke on Oct 24, 2010 3:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

But it wasn’t hard to see how tired he was, and Kampmann has to know he’s FAR more limited in his ability to sub Shields than out-strike him. From what I saw after the fight, it seems like Kampmann just got cocky and felt like he wanted to make him tap.

Regardless, good fight. I hope the the cardio issues were just an injury/weight cut problem for Jake. I actually would like to see him and Fitch fight at 100 percent.

by sBruce24 on Oct 24, 2010 4:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ya think? I dunno, all the “kickboxing champion” BS Rogan spouts about Kampmann is contrived to me. I’ve thought since he was at 85 that he knows he ain’t puttin anyone’s lights out. It’s probably just a biased opinion I’ve never let go of, I dunno. I just see it in his standup, all the time. Even against Christmas, he seemed surprised that he lit him up for a bit, but was smart enough to snatch him up and make him tap. Like he didn’t know he had it in him.

http://www.instrength.com

by Tim Burke on Oct 24, 2010 4:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m just saying that there’s no way Shields ever out-strikes Kampmann, he just has better technique and knows what to do. Regardless of whether he thinks in the back of his mind that he could put Shields out or not, Jake is known as one of the best grapplers in the division, and Kampmann would have been better off trying to pick him off on the feet than going for front chokes that Shields wasn’t even worried about. His corner had to know that, and so should he. Especiallywhen Shields was gassed hard in the 3rd round.

by sBruce24 on Oct 24, 2010 4:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely, Kampmann’s hands are miles ahead of Jake’s. Johnny Five is not alive…Jake throws punches like a robot. Good kicks, but terribly mechanical boxing.

I guess, based on my argument, it comes down to whether it’s easier to KO or sub a winded opponent. To me, a chin is a chin, your tank don’t matter. Phil Baroni, anyone? Jake has shown he can take a ton of shots and keep motoring. Obviously he’s never been subbed by anyone that’s not the best of the best in BJJ and it’s a totally unlikely scenario – I just thought when you take everything else into account, it wasn’t as crazy as it sounds on the surface. I’m perfrectly willing to concede the point if it’s retarded. I’d like to ask Hitman about it someday though. The mindset of fighters fascinates me.

http://www.instrength.com

by Tim Burke on Oct 24, 2010 5:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also, if the action was reversed (Shields attains mount early, Kampmann escapes and throws leather), do you think you’d score the round the same way?

by Mike Fagan on Oct 24, 2010 3:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely. Positional dominance and effective grappling are two of the four facets of scoring. At worst it’s 10-10. In real time, he wins 10-9. If he gets dropped by the leather chucking, it’s a different story. He was not. Advantage Jake.

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by Tim Burke on Oct 24, 2010 3:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Getting kneed in the face it pretty effective, too.

by sBruce24 on Oct 24, 2010 3:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Twice in 5 minutes doesn’t negate mount to me.

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by Tim Burke on Oct 24, 2010 3:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just feel like you have to do something with it. I could see how Kampmann gets more credit for landing the couple clean, big shots in his shorter amount of time in control than Shields would for laying on him even though Shields was controlling the positioning. Its like in football how a team can have an advantage in time of possession but still not have scored more points.

Just to be clear though, I had it 29-28 Shields. But I could have seen it going either way.

by sBruce24 on Oct 24, 2010 4:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not even a grappler by trade, but I guess I’ve always put more stock into it than landing a shot here and there. Landing two knees doesn’t take a lot of effort, especially two that don’t buckle the opponent. Working a takedown, passing to half, passing to side, passing to mount…it just seems so much more difficult. And should be rewarded as such. Different stroke, different folks.

I had it 30-27 Jake personally, but 29-28 Jake is clearly defensible. 29-28 Kampmann? No. I’m drawing the line.

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by Tim Burke on Oct 24, 2010 4:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

YOU'RE WAY OVER THE LINE

MARK IT ZERO

this is not the ADCC or gi-grappling. Positional dominance is nice, but this is a FIGHT. Gaining position is great and scores points. Doing squadoosh with the best possible position is PISS POOR and he’s done it repeatedly. MMA judging has got to stop putting as much emphasis on position as it does.

29-28 Kampmann.

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by Cory Braiterman on Oct 24, 2010 4:35 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Is a knockout better than a submission then?

I dislike Matt Hughes. Shogun beat him like a dirty horse... again.
Luke Thomas is still the best journalist in MMA but is this still the place to be?

by MonkeyCHops on Oct 24, 2010 4:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

absolutely not

Either one is a finish. Shields gets points for going for… 2 subs that fight? He gets points for octagon control. He gets minuses for getting knocked down with knees twice. He took one approach to winning and that was a sub and he failed at it repeatedly and looked very much the worse for wear from it – minus points

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by Cory Braiterman on Oct 24, 2010 4:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

He didn’t get knocked down by knees. He got kneed and instantly shot in for a sloppy takedown.

by xbuckeyex05 on Oct 24, 2010 10:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

ya people misinterpreted those knees methinks. They weren’t that hard.

by frosnt1 on Oct 24, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t get that. Under the unified rules of combat, what did Kampmann do to win 2 rounds? Two knees > mount = the second? He even got dumped on his keester in the third and landed no appreciable damaging shots.

Definiing it as a “fight” as opposed to whatever else sounds pretty doesn’t change the rules. Under the rules, Jake Shields won the fight, fightmetric and a drunk judge be damned.

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by Tim Burke on Oct 24, 2010 4:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

he

defended every sub attempt, launched some of his own, reversed every bad position he was in and won the striking portion conclusively.

That and I think the rules need to be tweeked anyway, but that’s besides the point.

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by Cory Braiterman on Oct 24, 2010 4:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

won the striking portion conclusively.

There was virtually no striking and even when they were striking Kampmann was hardly dominating shields. You’re just making assumptions because hes a better standup fighter than Shields Kampmann was afraid to open up.

by frosnt1 on Oct 24, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

personally

i’d have been just fine with a 25-25 tie. That fight was bad and I’m glad I used round 1 as a bathroom break.

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by Cory Braiterman on Oct 24, 2010 4:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I had it 143-19, but 25-25 works too. : )

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by Tim Burke on Oct 24, 2010 4:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, BM, you are wayyy off on this one

Getting mount does have value, but the round as a while was won by Kampmann.

29-29 Draw is what makes the most sense.

Go back and watch round 2 again.

by Django Z on Oct 24, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

the judges don.t agree

to them: position>damage

by Discman2 on Oct 24, 2010 3:22 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

schaub is a golden gloves champ

I don’t know what it takes to be called that but his standup looked pretty bad. He landed because gonzaga was frozen stiff all fight.

shields? ZzzzzZ
I loved the guard passing but just like with Askren, I hate how that’s all he based his game on. Jake you were so excited to finally use elbows that you forgot to use them! Or any other punches. Kampmann hit the nail on the head when he said post fight ‘no damage’. No matter how impressive shields is on the ground he put me to sleep with his positional ‘fighting’.

by Discman2 on Oct 24, 2010 3:14 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

He’s a Golden Gloves champ in the state of Colorado. It’s like being the best hockey player in Nigeria.

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by Tim Burke on Oct 24, 2010 3:22 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Important things for Brock fans to remember.

*Cain got up from under Brock, EASILY!
*Cain outpointed Brock, EASILY!
*Cains cardio held up, unlike Carwins!
*Brock does not like to get hit.

Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."

by xFenixKnightx on Oct 24, 2010 3:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Oh yeah, almost forgot. Brock got teh raped.

Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."

by xFenixKnightx on Oct 24, 2010 3:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Couture, who weighed in at 220 (I think) at the time of the fight, got up from under Brock too.

by pud333 on Oct 24, 2010 3:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

*Brock does not like to get hit.

Just repost this five times; there’s your list.

by Dootch on Oct 24, 2010 3:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

More for the list

*Ubereem would Destroy Lesnar
*Fedor would retire Lesnar

Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."

by xFenixKnightx on Oct 24, 2010 3:52 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

^

had this same conversation with a friend on the way home from the fight.

"Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy motherf**ker" - Jules Winnfield

"A good word that I got from the Mike Tyson Documentary... I'm going to absolutley decimate this motherf**ker, I haven't been in the dictionary to see what it actually means but I'm guessing it's going to be something in the way of just killing a motherf**ker." -Paul Daley (on the definition of Decimate)

by WeaponElDeem on Oct 24, 2010 3:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Think about it. Ubereem. Even more ripped. K-1 striking skill. It would be sad.

Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."

by xFenixKnightx on Oct 24, 2010 3:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd like to see Ubereem fight higher quality opposition but I agree with you: he'd run through him like a knife through butter.

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by andrew861 on Oct 24, 2010 4:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

While its now painfully obvious that if they can catch Brock coming in he’s in big, big trouble, I don’t see either of them having the TTD to win the fight any other way. Despite his victory over submission wizards James Thompson and Mark Hunt, Overeem would be a fish out of water once Lesnar put him on his back, and Fedor’s been taken down and held down by the likes of the aforementioned Mark Hunt and Brett Rogers. Sure, Fedor’s always dangerous off his back, but Lesnar doesn’t train at Hammer House.

by The so-called Beautiful on Oct 24, 2010 4:34 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I can see how you had Kampmann winning

Jake had position and control in round two, but Martin did more damage and defended well. Plus, Jake did nothing with any sort of advantageous position. I still had Shields winning though. But I see it your way too.

by pud333 on Oct 24, 2010 3:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, I know.

Kampmann did not have a scratch on him. But it’s all about what the judges see. Lately, position and control seems to score way more than damage.

by pud333 on Oct 24, 2010 3:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

To an extent, of course.

by pud333 on Oct 24, 2010 3:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Its true….and it saddens me. If its position control, then its essentially a wrestling match. Strikers will be too hesitant to strike for fear of the takedown and once down its wrestling.

Kampann had better distance striking, better clinchwork, was able to work back to his feet repeatedly and half the times he was on his back was because he was looking for submissions that shields escaped. The highlight of Shields’ game was his ability to escape Kampmann’s submission attempts. What else did shields? Desperately look for takedowns where he maintained top contol before Kampman got back to his feet?

If that was a correct decision, the judging criteria is shite and in need of a COMPLETE overhaul!!

by GeeDub on Oct 24, 2010 7:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Regarding the Buzz Around the Fight

I live out here in San Diego and even driving to Hooters to pick up wings for the fight, the buzz was evident. The hooters was packed, traffic was heavy, I could really sense the excitement about the card.

by CaptainKneebar on Oct 24, 2010 3:50 AM EDT reply actions  

whoa whoa whoa, someone actually goes to pick up hooters wings for carryout? in a great food town like San Diego no less?

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by eastcoastatlas on Oct 24, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

…And Eugene Schefault goes back into hibernation. =P I keed!

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by xFenixKnightx on Oct 24, 2010 3:53 AM EDT reply actions  

I wish I could write something this good drunk.

Kampmann lost though.
Jake Shields v. Diego Sanchez next.

I dislike Matt Hughes. Shogun beat him like a dirty horse... again.

by MonkeyCHops on Oct 24, 2010 3:59 AM EDT reply actions  

Sanchez probably moving down to LW. Would be a good fight though.

by sBruce24 on Oct 24, 2010 4:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

That sounded like a pre-loaded excuse to me.
IMO he belongs at 170.

I dislike Matt Hughes. Shogun beat him like a dirty horse... again.
Luke Thomas is still the best journalist in MMA but is this still the place to be?

by MonkeyCHops on Oct 24, 2010 4:31 AM EDT reply actions  

How were you calm before the main event Mike?

I had no money on it (too close to call) and my heart was still beating out of control. I was cheering for Brock but I was still happy when it was over. Great fight. Lesnar/Mir III sounds like a great idea. Is there any other option for Brock?

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by TitanFan2K on Oct 24, 2010 5:37 AM EDT reply actions  

No clue. Like I said, I’m usually amped up.

by Mike Fagan on Oct 24, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I hate to do this

But since I have countless comments in the Archives since this fight was announced about how Brock would lose. Where I was hated upon relentlessly, called a fool by many and told I know nothing about MMA by a few more. I can’t say that I am really happy, because I actually believed I knew what the result would be, and it went down about like I thought(and wrote several times) it would.

I was thankful to see 3 out of the 8 BE writers pick Cain(2 by TKO), that was enough for me to even continue to read their articles in the future.

I was really disappointed by one though, because I was beginning to think that myself and Brookhouse were channeling each others thoughts and I was almost certain that, like me he would have seen the Carwin fight as an omen for things to come, along with the huge, rapid improvement that Cain showed after the Kongo fight. Nope, he got rolled up in the hype train, “Brock by GnP, R2”

But, alas.. not all of you had the privilege of seeing Cain up close, working out at AKA. In the end, I saw him face much harder opposition in the sparring and rolling sessions there than he did tonight. He must be thinking… wow, that was easy!

by SimplePsych on Oct 24, 2010 5:38 AM EDT reply actions  

“Do you know what they say about people who write novels on comment boards?”

Heh heh…god bless the internet.

Get rid of the ramp!

by ihateemo on Oct 24, 2010 6:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

These 2 replies are the best that anyone can come up with?

Both by the same troll. I’m impressed. And, do you know what they say about people that don’t know the difference between 4 short paragraphs and a novel?.

by SimplePsych on Oct 24, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

the Lesnar fans last night...

The rest... is virtually identical

by randy maverick on Oct 24, 2010 7:50 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Mir’s no longer relevant. Prefer Carwin Lesnar 2.

by Dominus Formido on Oct 24, 2010 8:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Cain Velasquez fulfilled his destiny. I first heard about Velasquez on the Jordan Breen Show back in 2008 before his debut at UFC 83. Even then, with a 2-0 record compiled in the pre-Fedor Strikeforce and the post-Fedor Bodog Fight, Jordan hyped up Velasquez not just as a blue-chip heavyweight prospect, but as the modern-era version of Fedor Emelianenko. I bought into the hype from day one, and I regret falling in love with the size, strength, and athleticism of the South Dakota farmboy. Maybe “regret” is not the right word. And while I’m not unsure of Cain’s ability to carry the UFC on his shoulders, I’m excited to witness his career bloom.

I think that is WAY too much too soon. Yes, he demolished Lesnar in a way that should make all of Lesnar’s previous victims seething with a mix of jealousy and pride, but let’s see him get another win under his belt at least, eh?

Where does Brock Lesnar go from here? Junior dos Santos is lined up for the next title shot. Shane Carwin is fighting Roy Nelson. Pitting Brock with Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira might find Dana White and Joe Silva charged with manslaughter or worse. Brandon Schaub? Seems like a huge step up that he isn’t ready for. Which leaves…the Frank Mir rubber match!

Probably the most likely option for Brock at this point.

This fight was huge. “Brock Lesnar” and “Velasquez” were trending on Twitter for hours leading up to the event. That, as far as I can recall, is a first for a UFC pay-per-view. An hour and a half after the end of the main event, the following phrases are trending on Twitter: Velasquez, Brock Lesnar, #ufc121, Lesner, Heavyweight, Brown Pride. On the same night as the deciding game of a major league championship series, six of the top ten trending topics on Twitter are MMA/UFC related

Yep – I’m wondering about the aftermath of this fight though. Was Cain’s performance enough to turn some of those paying Brock fans over to his side when the time comes for him to headline a card?

I scored the Shields/Kampmann fight 29-28 for Martin Kampmann. Again, by this part of the night I had consumed my fair share of adult beverages and was rooting heavily for the Dane. Round one goes to Shields for controlling the fight and outgrappling Kampmann. Round two goes to Kampmann, who rocked Shields twice with knees. Round three goes to Kampmann who won the fight standing while Shields did nothing with his top control on the floor. In any case, someone needs to bring me the head of the judge who scored that fight 30-27

Close fight, but I still had Shields winning. 30-27 though was definitely not an accurate scoring.

Speaking of bad scores, who turned in the 30-26 Sanchez card? The first round of this fight looked like a continuation of Diego Sanchez’s fight with John Hathaway. Sanchez fought with the inspiration of a conscientious objector. My notes following the round read as follows: “Thiago taking fight to Diego.” Diego turned it on in round two, with the turning point being his banshee-screaming slam of Paulo Thiago in the middle of round two. Yet, the first round was all Brazilian, and one judge awarded it to Sanchez. How?

Probably the same judge who had 30-27 for Shields. But the other two judges had it right – Diego still won that fight.

The decline of Tito Ortiz continues. Ortiz again came out strong in a fight. He pushed forward, stayed active, and won round one on my card. He remained competitive in round two, but lost all hope in the third round. Matt Hamill plodded with his hands swaying at his hips, taunting Ortiz to land strikes to the head. Instead, Ortiz took slow power shot after slow power shot until succumbing to a takedown late in the fight. Ortiz is still durable enough to play the gatekeeper role at 205, but is that a role he’s interested in fulfilling?

Of course he would. It’s steady income…if Dana’s interested in keeping him around, that is. Dana’s probably never had more justification for letting Ortiz go than he has now. We’ll see what happens, but judging from Dana’s recent comments, I’m starting to think we’ll see an announcement concerning Tito’s future with the UFC shortly. I was almost thinking Dana would keep him just to deprive Strikeforce a name fight but….really – four losses and a draw in his liast five fights. when was Tito’s last, non-controversial, truly viable win? Shamrock was a faded legend when Tito put the exclamation point on him, and some people still think he lost the first Forrest fight too. So who was it – Cote? Belfort? That’s 5 – 6 years without a chamoionship/contender worthy win.

Brandon Schaub, legitimate heavyweight prospect. Gabriel Gonzaga, confirmed heavyweight gatekeeper. Schaub could have done more to finish off Gonzaga, but I’m also impressed with his ability to control a fight against a legitimate heavyweight for fifteen minutes. Gonzaga is the bigger story here as I think he cemented his spot as the UFC’s gatekeeper at 265. He looked slow and hesitant from the opening bell and lacked the urgency that’s all-too-common with fighters down two rounds heading into the final minutes of a bout.

Still not sold on Schaub as a legitimate prospect. He didn’t look as impressive as Carwin or JDS did against GG. So, Gonzaga vs. Kongo, loser leaves town?

Patrick Cote is who I thought he was. My reason for picking Tom Lawlor? (The dissenting opinion, might I add.) “Cote’s lost to anybody with any sort of wrestling background.”

Pretty long fall for Cote from contending for the title and calling out Bisping. Maybe the UFC can do another TUF: The Comeback?

by Hardcase on Oct 24, 2010 9:35 AM EDT reply actions  

someone needs their blockquote privileges taken away?

a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon

by eastcoastatlas on Oct 24, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cecil peoples

I was there live and when the stout/taylor scorecards were announced i knew everyone needed to finish to avoid any bad scorecards
 Only Cain listened.

by silent.bisonte33 on Oct 24, 2010 10:49 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Yeah i watched that fight and though that the scoring was terrible.

in all things fuck cecil peoples.!

by Beren on Oct 24, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

" In any case, someone needs to bring me the head of the judge who scored that fight 30-27."

i scored it 30-27. first 2 rounds were shields at the least

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by GOLDIGGAH on Oct 24, 2010 12:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Ortiz is still durable enough to play the gatekeeper role at 205, but is that a role he’s interested in fulfilling?

I’m sure Tito would be happy to fill that role. The real question is, does Zuffa have interest in keeping around a quarter-million dollar gatekeeper who also gets a PPV cut?

Methinks the answer is an emphatic … NO!

If Tito is lucky, he’ll get the Werdum treatment. He is going to be told to take a gigantic pay cut or to hit the bricks. That is the best Tito can hope for right now. The worst case scenario is that they just cut him outright without even attempting to negotiate a new deal.

by Steve4192 on Oct 24, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

i doubt werdum was making tito money when they cut him

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by GOLDIGGAH on Oct 24, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

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