Will Cain Velasquez Bring Brock Lesnar's UFC Belt Home to AKA?
The American Kickboxing Academy is one of the most successful and accomplished MMA gyms in the world. It's also one of the most storied and historic MMA gyms there is. Founder Javier Mendez was a kick-boxing champ in the 1980s who began training early UFC contender Brian Johnston in the mid-1990s. But it was Mendez' 1997 alliance with Frank Shamrock that truly brought him to the top of the game. After Shamrock left his brother Ken's famous Lion's Den to form "The Alliance" with Maurice Smith and RINGS star Tsuyoshi "TK" Kohsaka he needed a home base to train. That's when Frank moved into Mendez' AKA gym and began training other fighters in submission grappling.
Mendez cornered Frank through Shamrock's famous UFC championship run -- still unmatched to this day -- but he hasn't cornered a UFC champion since. He's had fighters like Josh Thomson and Cung Le hold the Strikeforce belt. He's worked with fighters who would later hold UFC gold like B.J. Penn, Lyoto Machida, and Sean Sherk. Despite the best efforts of studs like Jon Fitch and Josh Koscheck Mendez hasn't been at the top of the sport in over a decade as a head coach.
Dave Meltzer was on the scene at AKA as Mendez gave a final talk to the team before the big fight:
After Friday's practice ended, Mendez gathered all his pro fighters and gave a speech, noting that in the gym's history they've never had a self-created UFC world champion. It wasn't Penn's and Machida's home gym when they were champions. It was the home gym of Frank Shamrock during his late-'90s run, but he arrived in San Jose as an established world-class fighter.
Josh Gross describes the impression Velasquez made at AKA when he first joined the team:
When Mendez watched Velasquez train for the first time, he was in awe. Sparring with a kickboxer, Velasquez, who knew nothing of striking, took a foot to his head, which, because of its mass and dimensions, is usually what people first notice about him. Velasquez responded by lifting his training partner in the air and placing him on the canvas. A couple of minutes later, bang, another foot to the face. The response slam was a bit harder this time. Not mean. Not vicious. Just a friendly warning.
"First day he was in the gym and I said, 'Oh, my God, I've never seen that,' " Mendez said. "Normally guys get pissed off. He doesn't."
Mendez waved off extra sparring. "He's got it," the trainer told one of his coaches. He didn't need to see anymore. This kid was worth his time.
Velasquez could have also lost it when Mike Kyle roughly snatched a limb and cranked an armbar during his first few months becoming familiar with submissions. Kyle was the heavyweight hotshot, or at least he thought he was. There were others with experience like Paul Buentello, but Kyle -- a UFC veteran who repeatedly was in trouble with regulators for illegal actions in the cage, including an 18-month suspension for attacking an opponent after the bell -- was the one everyone knew had an attitude.
So they rolled, Kyle tapped Velasquez, jumped up and raised a ruckus. "I'm the champion!" he yelled. "I'm the best." It was enough to get Mendez out of his office to see what the deal was. Two months later, they hit the mat again. Submissions didn't come for Kyle this time. Instead, he was the one caught in all manner of chokes and joint locks. Velasquez didn't respond how Kyle would have. Rather than celebrate, he stopped and offered to help correct Kyle's mistakes.
Since those early days, Mendez and his top coaches judo and BJJ ace Dave Camarillo and "Crazy" Bob Cook have consistently touted Cain as a future UFC champion.
Tomorrow we'll find out if they're right when Cain Velasquez and Brock Lesnar face off at UFC 121.
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The Cain training hyperbole is always hilarious.
He took down kickboxers and tapped Mike Kyle. Color me amazed.
by Trysdor on Oct 22, 2010 2:06 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
The same Mike Kyle that got tapped by LHW journeyman
Wayne Cole not all that long ago. I think the Cain hype has a lot to do with the absurdly effusive praise that AKA loves to give. I can only imagine the kind of hype these guys would have given Brock, had he walked into their gym an unknown. It would be crazy.
by Trysdor on Oct 22, 2010 2:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
part of it
look at it this way for another sport comparison that may or may no be at all appropriate. Mike Mamula. Guy was a decent football player at boston college, had a GREAT offseason workout at the pro combines and shot up all the way to a #6 (I think) pick. Where he proceeded to have a mediocre 6 or 7 year career. Workout Warriors get hype in every sport.
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by Cory Braiterman on Oct 22, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Props for being willing to say it. I have to agree.
I honestly don’t think Cain has anything for Brock. I think he rushes him, takes him down, and pounds on his face until the ref stops it.
by Brandon Starr on Oct 22, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hey I'm not a writer. My opinion is Brock will dominate Cain. No further detail needed. If you disagree then I think you're wrong.
Circle of life.
by Brandon Starr on Oct 22, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL, intelligent call on Brock ending fight in face smashing???
Please lay off of Brocks dick for a moment and take a deep breath and be rational.
this is anyones fight, to say “Cain has nothing for Brock” is absolutley idiotic and ignorant.
I’m rooting for Cain but this is anyones fight, if Brock beats Cain he will remain champ for a long long time.
But back to waht you said about “Cain has nothing for Brock” let me just say
“what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.”
by crewshal on Oct 22, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Um yeah ok. Way to throw out the billy madison response that has been overused on message boards for about five years now.
If you care to look up my thoughts on Brock from previous posts feel free. I am faaaaaaar from a Brock fan. Idiotic and ignorant? Yeah, ok, you win the internet championship of the day. Douche.
by Brandon Starr on Oct 22, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You said yourself Cain has nothing for Brock, that my friend is an Ignorant statement. Like it or not.
Have fun with that
It was an opinion based on seeing both of them fight many times.
Just because you don’t agree with it doesn’t make it idiotic or ignorant. You think Cain has something for him apparently; I do not. Simple. You could have typed “I disagree because…..” instead you went on some dumbass rant.
by Brandon Starr on Oct 22, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Brock.
I don’t think he’s going to play around on the feet too much (not that I think Cain is some monster on the feet). I think he’s going to take him down right away and he will be too big for Cain. Brock’s training partner has wrestled Cain multiple times so he knows what to expect as far as strength, balance, etc. I don’t think Brock is unbeatable, I just think Cain won’t beat him.
by Brandon Starr on Oct 22, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So you don’t see Cain being able to stuff the takedown like Randy was able to? Just trying to understand how you’re seeing it.
I appreciate all perspectives. Just the few wrestling based fighters Brock has faced were able to stuff the takedown, until they either got floored or gased.
I honestly don't know.....
Would I be utterly shocked if Cain stuffed all takedowns and beat him up standing? No, not shocked. But I do think it’s Cains only chance. I don’t think Cain will be able to maintain top position either, if he gets it. I just think Cain is too small to stop the attempts over and over and over again. I really don’t know what’s going to happen (I would be rich if I did) but I think the odds should lean pretty heavily toward Brock.
by Brandon Starr on Oct 22, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Brock took Randy down twice in the first round, emphatically. He didn’t need any in round 2.
by Hardcharger on Oct 22, 2010 3:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
wow..
honestly please stop responding your making my head hurt with inconceivable ignorance
I do not think this means what you think it means.....
I can not wait for your imminent banning. Matter of time.
by Brandon Starr on Oct 22, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He’s cool. He just feels strongly about his opinion.
So you don’t see Cain being able to stuff the takedown like Randy was able to? Just trying to understand how you’re seeing it.
I appreciate all perspectives. Just the few wrestling based fighters Brock has faced were able to stuff the takedown, until they either got floored or gased.
Yes let’s ban everyone that disagrees with MauiPimpin.
Seems the only thing we can agree on Maui is our like for the Ravens. So instead of making threat of “Imminent danger” for me posting on a forum, let’s enjoy the Ravens road to the superbowl this year, and agree to disagree on Cain vs Brock.
I'm actually all for the banning of all that disagree with me....
but yes, let’s move on. The Ravens will win the Super Bowl and all will be forgotten. Bro hug
by Brandon Starr on Oct 22, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
the point wasn't that he tapped out Mike Kyle
the point was that he was cool about it after the fact instead of being a jerk ala Kyle.
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Cain no sea el campeon. Sabado no es tu dia mi amigo.
Tu acabas de chingar al Vikingo equivocado.
Es el tiempo para guerra.
No someta. No entrega.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 22, 2010 2:20 PM EDT reply actions
Google translator really fucked you on this one.
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by poundnground on Oct 22, 2010 2:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
Uh, I didn't use that or any translator
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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 22, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Starting to think you should of.
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by poundnground on Oct 22, 2010 2:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Pray tell what was incorrect
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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 22, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Cain no será el campeón.
Acabas de chingar al vikingo equivocado. (That one was correct)
Es el tiempo para la guerra.
And the last one is a guess because I don’t know what you were trying to say so I’ll guess this
No se someta. No se entregue.
i think no se entrega would work better
no se entregue would be a command. unless that’s what he was going for.
You had to have used some bullshit translator for this. babelfish?
by Body Triangle on Oct 22, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
as would no se someta
though who knows what he was trying to say.
by Body Triangle on Oct 22, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah, it wasn't a command. And nah it wasn't a translator.
Notice no accents.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 22, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
You're right
with the last sentence, I should’ve used entregarse because he’s surrendering himself. Same with someterse.
The first sentence was a typo. It was supposed to be sera. And the second sentence, that’s a minor nitpick. “Tu acabas” and “acabas” are both acceptable. Furthermore, I was playing off the slogan from the Cain video.
But thanks for pointing out.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 22, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
either way the last sentence is wrong
no se entrega. no se somete.
“He doesn’t give up, he doesn’t submit”
as opposed to
no se entregue, no se someta
which would be a translation from that hilarious movie
“Never give up, never surrender! (submit)”
by Body Triangle on Oct 22, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I was going for the second one.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 22, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
you asked what was wrong, i answered, tis all
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by Body Triangle on Oct 22, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wasn't chastizing you.
I was stating which one I was going for since you said you didn’t know.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 22, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
oh also
the you fucked the wrong viking part…
that doesn’t have the same meaning in spanish you think it does. Although, it’s hilarious cuando lo digo en voz alta.
by Body Triangle on Oct 22, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
hispanohablantes unense!
too bad i don’t own an international keyboard anymore and am too lazy to put accent marks. For that, my apologies.
by Body Triangle on Oct 22, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Uh, you realize I was playing off the Cain video slogan.
I made up Vikingo (at least I think I did).
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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 22, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Igual!
jajaja!!!
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by ChicagoMarine on Oct 22, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
The irony when someone corrects something on the internet while making a mistake is second only to a really great blowjob.
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by James Brady on Oct 22, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I'll be honest
Great jokes like this one are the real reason I visit this site. The articles are just gravy.
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terrible spanish, hombron, but i get what you're trying to say
by Body Triangle on Oct 22, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Too bad Chael isnt on here to translate
by Str8_right on Oct 22, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
he only knows Pig Latin
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
bien dicho jaja
although…i honestly think lesnar’s got this
by Body Triangle on Oct 22, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
truth
"Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy motherf**ker" - Jules Winnfield
"A good word that I got from the Mike Tyson Documentary... I'm going to absolutley decimate this motherf**ker, I haven't been in the dictionary to see what it actually means but I'm guessing it's going to be something in the way of just killing a motherf**ker." -Paul Daley (on the definition of Decimate)
by WeaponElDeem on Oct 22, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Man the UFC really worked the whole Mexico thing HARD. There’s more than half a page of comments regarding Spanish translation
i like how he wasn't born in mexico
but he’s the first UFC MEXICAN CHAMPION
by Body Triangle on Oct 22, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
almost
he just needs a fade and that’d be about right. After Saturday they’ll be saying, “so easy a Mexican can do it”
Cain vai ganhar, vai arrebentar a cara do Viking!
WAR CAIN
arriba, arriba!
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
olê olê olê olê… Cain… Cain…
olê olê olê olê… Cain… Cain…
olê olê olê olê… Cain… Cain…
olê olê olê olê… Cain… Cain…
olê olê olê olê… Cain… Cain…
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
i just have to say
that learning portuguese, i find the distinction between grandmother and grandfather impossible to say.
by Body Triangle on Oct 22, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
es porque no tienes el ^ em espanhol, pero el ´ és mas agudo que el ^, y son muy distintos entre los dos.
ya se que mi espanhol no és bueno, pero que puedo hablar mejor que escrever :p
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
Just like I can read portuguese pretty good because I speak spanish regularly.
Still when it comes to spanish, there are a shitton of variations depending on the country
that's true
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
Portuguese also differs
from country to country
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
orcus do you find portugal portuguese funny-sounding?
My GF says they speak really weird, but i can’t really tell the difference
by Body Triangle on Oct 22, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah man, it’s horrible, every time I hear them speak I want to punch them in the face
no disrespect to any Portuguese reader, I’m sure you feel the same way if you’re reading this :p
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
by Orcus on Oct 22, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hahahaha this provided a much needed laugh from my Torts Outline
by Body Triangle on Oct 22, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
ha, glad I could help :p
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
actually orcus
your spanish is pretty good on the whole.
escrever- that’s portuguese!
by Body Triangle on Oct 22, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I know its pronounced Avu and Ava (somewhat) but I call my wife’s grandparents the wrong one everytime.
lol
to me it’s funny hearing this, since to us they are pretty different from one another, but then again, Minotauro and Minotouro is also very different from one another so I can see how people are having trouble with the word
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
the gf says Avo as opposed to AVO
like she’s screaming the second part. Boy was my adventure to her grandparent’s house aw-kwaaaard.
ps orcus pao de queiju is the best fucking food on the planet.
by Body Triangle on Oct 22, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Pão de queijo
and it’s from my state, I’m from Minas, the land of Pão de Queijo :p
I have them every day for breakfast hehe
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
Orcus...my gf is from Sao Sebastao do paraiso!!!
also Minas!
by Body Triangle on Oct 22, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Also (bragging time)
She got me a jiu jitsu class with the minas champion, from the “Fight Club” (clube heehee) gym. It was, in the simplest way put, fucking AWESOME.
by Body Triangle on Oct 22, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
São Sebastião do Paraíso, I’m messing with you though, I’m going to stop correcting since you were kind to me with my Spanish :p
Rural places makes the best food though, my is big city like (which is poop compared to theirs).
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
DAMN IT! well not i can't let her see these posts...
but thanks for the heads up! woops here she comes down the steps, alt + tab!
by Body Triangle on Oct 22, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
rsrsrsrsrsrsrsrs
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
Is that an ABL rec?
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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 22, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to The 2010 Playa Haters Ball
Haters gonna hate. Yet Brock gets an arm triangle on Carwin and you’re all blown away.
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by poundnground on Oct 22, 2010 2:21 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 3 recs
haters are going to hate
i’m stoked for this fight but i’m actually looking forward to when this is over
and by “over” i don’t mean after the fight. because we’ll still have to wade through about two weeks of gloating by 50% of the people and excuse-making by the other half.
If Cain wins the same people will still hate so why bother with them?
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Oct 22, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Beating Carwin is more impressive than anything Cain has done. Carwin is a monster.
by Hardcharger on Oct 22, 2010 2:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If I was Javier Mendez, I would shoot, then try to sell a AKA reality show.
They can make money off their stars sparring, getting KO’ed, submitted and all that.
Imagine a reality show back in the day featuring Chute Boxe fighters when Wanderlei was king, Anderson was the lanky muay thai kid coming up, and Shogun was still Ninja’s younger brother with only 2 fights in Pride.
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VEe is ANIMated!
by VeeisAnimated on Oct 22, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
They would edit out all the stuff that made them look bad and then lie about it
Like when they jumped Crazyhorse.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 22, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
tel-lie-vision . . .
Its a reality show, I’m understand.
What’s up with Crazyhorse these days. If there ever was a camera-ready-dysfunctional character made for TUF. It’s Mr. Bennett.
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VEe is ANIMated!
by VeeisAnimated on Oct 22, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Got beat by Fickett
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by S.C. Michaelson on Oct 22, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
There is a lot of articles on this fight.
I hope this fight ends in10 seconds so all the judo chops, sports science, and all the other long articles go to waste. I hope we don’t see how the size advantage effects cain or how much heart brock has. I hope Cain catches him in a guillotine when brock shoots.
by Come on now on Oct 22, 2010 2:35 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Yeah. I ’rec this because in the end. This is a freaking heavyweight fight and it will be short.
- If it goes past 2 rounds, I’ll be surprised.
- If they reach an impasse on the ground or against the cage without serious action . . . I’ll try to be patient.
- If Brock wins. I’ll give him props but personally I’m waiting for a rematch against Shane Carwin. It’s just a bigger fight.
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VEe is ANIMated!
by VeeisAnimated on Oct 22, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Cheers Nate
Didn’t realise Mendez had trained Brian Johnston, talk about veteran of the sport! That sort of experience in the corner has to be a positive for Cain.
Its kind of interesting
To here Lesnar supporters complain about Cain’s “hype train.” Both Cain and Lesnar have been hottracked by the UFC for this fight since they started training. Both of these fighters have a massive hype train behind them, but also, both of these fighters legitimately earned their respective positions in the division. So can we just cool it with the whole hype train talk, unless we want to agree that all of it is hype.
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But nobody talks about all the people Lesnar taps in training
Cain is hyped for some really ridiculous stuff. If people want to talk about his fights, that’s fine, he’s looked very good. But people harping on how awesome he is in the gym is just stupid.
And calls to mind, at least to me
how “Carwin went over 5 five rounds in the gym every single day in the high altitude, and his cardio wasn’t a problem at all.”
Before he came into the UFC
We were bombarded with Dana saying how Lesnar moved like a middleweight, and Iole columns about how his professional wrestling finishing move was a gift stolen from the gods. Hype is hype. Its how fights are sold and stars are made.
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YOU RANG!
All I’m saying about this fight is Lesnar shouldn’t even be champ the Carwin fight should have been stopped!!Honestly Cain really impressed me against Kongo. I still think he loses tomorrow night! Cain has better striking yes and if this was K-1, or a taekwondo match I’d say Cain hands down but its not its mma! In my experienced bigger guy better wrestler wins 9/10 times!!
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by lesnarhypetrain on Oct 22, 2010 3:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
good article
excited for this fight.
and i’m all for making sure Frank Shamrock gets his due respect, but didn’t Chuck Liddell match Frank’s UFC title run? They both had 4 defenses all by stoppage. I could even argue Matt Hughes had 5 defenses his first time around, with 4 by stoppage. Frank is great, but what is “unmatched to this day”?
a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon
unmatched in AKA history
not MMA history
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
or maybe I'm the one reading it wrong
now that I read it for a second time :p
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
i think so, although it’s not entirely clear
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by eastcoastatlas on Oct 22, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Tito actually defended that title five times, topping Frank and Chuck.
by Jonathan Snowden on Oct 22, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions

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