Chris Leben Arrested on Suspicion of DUI Following Crash
by Nick Thomas on Oct 20, 2010 11:01 PM EDT
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Officers arrested (Chris) Leben on suspicion of operating a vehicle under the influence of an intoxicant Tuesday. He was released from custody after posting $1,000 bail.In 2008, Chris Leben turned himself into authorities on a previous DUI charge and was sentenced to 35 days in jail. Leben is currently scheduled to fight Brian Stann on New Year's Day.
Police say Leben was driving on the west-bound side of the H1 Freeway just before 2 AM, when he lost control of his pickup and crashed into a wall near the Kapiolani Boulevard off ramp. He was allegedly driving without a license and without insurance.
He is scheduled to appear at Honolulu District Court November 22.
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My exact reaction
To the letter, even said it out loud when I saw the headline.
So dissapointing.
by BVandDietPepsi on Oct 20, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
i literally said the same thing
just when i thought he was turning all his problems around, this is sad
"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
I don't like Leben/Stann to begin with
Two DUIs? He should be put in the same boat with Josh Neer. They might as well cancel the fight.
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by SSreporters on Oct 20, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
DUI on Jan 2009 just over a month before his fight with Danzig
And Neer was cut after two more losses.
Michael Robinson leads the Seahawks in completion percentage, yards-per-attempt, and QB rating.
by SSreporters on Oct 20, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
he'll have a lawyer draw out the sentencing
and probably still fight.
I’m glad nobody was hurt.
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by Earl Montclair on Oct 20, 2010 10:54 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
That’s cute.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 20, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
What?
Michael Robinson leads the Seahawks in completion percentage, yards-per-attempt, and QB rating.
by SSreporters on Oct 20, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
he's making fun of subo's (f**k strikeforce) article
because Zuffa employs Leben a steroid offender and a 2x DUI offender
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by TylerTreese on Oct 20, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Which is totally the same as a three time steroid offender and a guy that assaulted someone after the bell.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 20, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Paul Daley?
Because that was a bitch hit that people make way too big a deal about. If he threw and landed that in the fight everyone would have laughed at Daley.
Or are you talking about Noons even though he hit Gurgel the exact same time Machida hit Thiago Silva?
I really don’t care about the effectiveness of the punch. Completely classless move and unworthy of any decent promoter’s money.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 20, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Should you lose your job if you get a DUI?
Should you lose your job if you suckerpunch a co-worker?
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 20, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
dui yes/maybe. innocent people die from dui wrecks.
If you punch people/ get punched by people for a living, taking a love tap after the bell isn’t that big of a deal .
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by the-gentle-way on Oct 21, 2010 2:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If you got fired from your job for a DUI then you may be able to sue and get your job back if the DUI didn’t happen while you were actually at work or you work as a driver. If you punch a co-worker at work then you should be walked out of the building and not allowed to return(the police should also be called). It doesn’t matter if you are a professional fighter or not assault is still assault.
DUI is horribly stupid and potentially deadly, assaulting a co-worker is intentionally malicious and vile (and also potentially deadly). In the case of Paul Daley it was a direct rules infraction of the sport. It’s two very different situations.
If you got fired from your job for a DUI then you may be able to sue and get your job back if the DUI didn’t happen while you were actually at work or you don"t work as a driver
repeatedly driving fucked up is intentional as well.
You’re talking about the letter of the law. I was Talking about the spirit of law/morality.
I know what is legal. It is just my opinion dui is worse then daley’s punch.
P.s. fighters kinda like getting hit. Its the reason chuck Lidell never used his accounting degree.
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by the-gentle-way on Oct 21, 2010 12:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh it’s a very bad thing, it’s just a completely different situation, heck the two are so different they shouldn’t of even been brought up together. It’s not about legal vs illegal (DUI and assault and battery are both illegal) it’s about doing something on your own personal time as opposed to doing something while you are at work. You can drink and party all you want after work but if you try and have one beer in the office you will get in big trouble. Leben has some personal issues here that should be dealt with sternly but Daley actually broke the law at work during a broadcast. It’s two very different things.
Who likes getting hit when they aren’t expecting it after a fight is over?
I agree its like comparing apples and hammers.
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by the-gentle-way on Oct 21, 2010 4:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What about flipping a guy off between rounds?
Or saying you want your opponent to be the first guy die an Octagon-related death? Or someone who went all road rage and got booked on a hit and run? Or a guy that punts every other fighter in the balls? Or any of the antics on the reality show?
No those are completely okay.
by Josh Grant on Oct 20, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You don't know what you're talking about
I wanted Mir/Carwin postponed after Mir said that shit. You didn’t even mention Yvel or Mike Kyle, neither of which should even be licensed to fight. Again, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 20, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah because I listed enough.
People do stupid things. Fighters do really stupid things. Did you call for Rampage to get the boot? I do know what I’m talking about but I have other shit to do so I don’t want to list every stupid thing a guy whose big career decision was “be a cagefigher” has done because they do a lot of stupid shit.
Calling Subo on hypocrisy well generally cause him to say something mildly insulting and change the subject…
Don’t waste your keystrokes. Its like arguing with mmalogic except, sadly, Subo draws no checks from the UFC
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by The Lethal Haze on Oct 20, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's fine.
Thanks for the tip. He seems very high and mighty.
How would the NFL or NBA react to any of the above behavior? These guys are professionals and should act as such and that really should be the bottom line.
I live is STL
After that shit happened I never cheered for him again. Biggest bunch of shit ever in STL sports history.
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If i recall
correctly, it was a photographers wife who covers the Rams.
He's got his head up his ass that's for sure.
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by SilverNBlackZach! on Oct 21, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
like gilbert yvel?
or phil baroni?
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by Cory Braiterman on Oct 21, 2010 3:14 AM EDT up reply actions
That was the other way around wasn't it?
I think Gurgel hit Noons. Can’t remember.
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by SSreporters on Oct 20, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
People accuse Noons of hitting Gurgel after the bell.
But really it was exactly as the bell sounded, just like Machida. And the ref was completely irresponsible in letting Gurgel come out in the 2nd round.
It's getting close to that.
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Subo
is insane. haha
"One should always be cold minded and remember that a ridiculous incident may occur any time."
Man, people driving when they're that fucked up is just something that I can't stand.
This is just terrible on all levels.
by Brent Ducharme on Oct 20, 2010 11:01 PM EDT reply actions
Not surprised at all.
Just like when he said he had turned his life around after the first DUI only to get popped for steroids in his next fight.
Never liked him, never will. DUI is so dangerous and so stupid… he easily could have been killed or killed others.
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by TDITZ on Oct 20, 2010 11:06 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
Regardless of how much I like watching the dude fight, I can’t stand people who drink and drive. It’s unbelievably stupid, and you’re putting everyone on the road at risk.
by GetYourHeadStomps on Oct 20, 2010 11:06 PM EDT reply actions 10 recs
That's sad on a number of levels
I thought Chris was in AA and had some time sober. Would be a real shame if he f’d it all up by hurting himself, someone else and his fighting career all in one lapse of judgement.
by dreamers_12345 on Oct 20, 2010 11:06 PM EDT reply actions
Awwwwwwwwww shit.
:(
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by KingAtRock on Oct 20, 2010 11:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Feel bad for the guy
If this is true feel bad for him. Just when things were going so well for him. Addiction/disease like that sucks.
by alibabba on Oct 20, 2010 11:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
don't feel bad
he’s just a dumbass….
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by ADAMantium on Oct 20, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh my goodness, Leben
Not cool.
I’m willing to bet if he didn’t have that miraculous two week run he’d be cut for this.
Michael Robinson leads the Seahawks in completion percentage, yards-per-attempt, and QB rating.
i would hope
that the UFC would possibly cancel his fight and hook up Stann with another opponent.
Shit like this cannot be condoned or tolerated.
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Got to be smarter than that
I’m all about disregarding the government’s impositions on use like licensing and such, but if you’re gonna drive without a license or insurance and under the influence, you better not get caught or crash. This guy is throwing away all the good will capital he just earned.
"You stick a microphone in a guy's face and he calls out anybody but the champion, and Joe Silva should fax him a pink slip right then." -- Chael Sonnen.
What purpose does licensing do?
1. What’s the stated purpose of licensing people to drive?
2. How effective has this policy been?
Exactly.
"You stick a microphone in a guy's face and he calls out anybody but the champion, and Joe Silva should fax him a pink slip right then." -- Chael Sonnen.
A. Innocent until proven guilty
B. See point A
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 20, 2010 11:19 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Even if no DUI...
He still crashed an uninsured vehicle after driving without a license. Hard to really make a case for him.
by Randomguy81 on Oct 20, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Those are traffic infractions. You don’t fire a guy for traffic infractions. DUIs are different.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 20, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Uninsured license is not a traffic infraction, is it?
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by SSreporters on Oct 20, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Uninsured license?
What the hell is that?
"You stick a microphone in a guy's face and he calls out anybody but the champion, and Joe Silva should fax him a pink slip right then." -- Chael Sonnen.
Fair enough
But you need to amend your statement to apply only to the DUI part. The other parts are inarguable. And with his past history, the time of night that this occurred and the already known facts that he was unlicensed and uninsured it’s gonna be REALLY hard to argue on his behalf. Precedence is a bitch!
by Randomguy81 on Oct 20, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
driving w/out a license or insurance
doesn’t necessarily equate to not having a license or any insurance. there could be an explanation for both (license at home, insurance card not in vehicle). lets refrain from convicting the guy until all of the facts are heard here.
I’ve been sited for not having insurance before, it was because my wife had the insurance card in her purse instead of leaving it in the car. I took the insurance card to the country attourney and they immediately dropped the charge. Those charges could be huge or no big deal at all, there is no way for us to know at this point.
If you drive without a license or insurance you go to jail. If you kill someone drunk or not even if it wasnt your fault you go to jail.
by Papercut Elbow on Oct 21, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Not true. I’ve definitely gotten pulled over with lapsed insurance. No arrest, no ticket
by disinferno06 on Oct 21, 2010 12:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Driving without a license or insurance is a ticket(and not even a very stiff fine), I’ve never heard of someone going to jail for that although I guess they may get a short sentence if they were multiple repeat offenders. Heck many times you can get one of those tickets dropped just by going out and getting car insurance or a valid license. You don’t see people who let their drivers license lapse or forget to have their insurance cards in the car with them doing jail time, most of the time you don’t even see them getting a fine. I’ve have an uncle who hasn’t had a license or insurance for nearly 20 years, when he gets pulled over they give him a ticket, he pays it and gets insurance for 30 days and keeps on driving. If it was at all a big deal of a crime I would turn him in to crimestoppers and get myself $1000 off his dumb ass being arrested, not that I have already tried that or anything………. :D
Likewise people die and car accidents all the time without the person responsible for the accident doing jail time. There has to be other circumstances involved for it to get to the point of getting in trouble at all (like hitting someone while drunk). No one ever goes to jail for someone dying in a car accident if the accident wasn’t their fault, if you are DUI then the accident is considered your fault regardless as you shouldn’t of been there to start with.
It is an arrestable offense (I was arrested for it when I was very young), you can also serve jail time for it, though I have never heard of anyone doing so.
i agree
and i’d rather get hit by a drunk guy with insurance than a sober guy without insurance, you can really screw up someones life if you totaled their ride and didn’t have cash or credit to just go and buy a new one.
i can admit when i'm wrong, can you?
by nocoolname32 on Oct 20, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve been accused of DUI with a BAC of .000. I also don’t carry a fucking shovel around so I can bury people as soon as they slip up.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 20, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
You do realize...
that the “I” in “DUI” doesn’t necessarily have to apply to alcohol?
by Randomguy81 on Oct 20, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
who hasn't been accused i.e. pulled over after bar close, big deal
but accused as you said and arrested as he was are two totally different thing buddy, there are a few guys accused of making child porn that would like your sympathy too
i can admit when i'm wrong, can you?
by nocoolname32 on Oct 20, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I ended up having to plea to DWAI because there were flakes of marijuana on the floor of my truck totaling less than a gram after I slid on icy shitty mountain roads and got T-boned by an F-350. No pipe, no papers, no bag. Nailed the field sobriety (confirmed during discovery) test. 11 ng/mL of THC in my blood, which is completely consistent with someone that smokes when they get home for the day. They asked me if I had my MMJ card just so they could tell me to stick it up my ass in case I did. A dude watched me piss into a jar earlier today, and I got to pay $30 for the pleasure. It’ll happen twice a month between now and next August.
They’re fucking revenue collectors. All of them. This whole texting while driving movement, to legislate against it – straight money grab. Unenforceable since everyone does it, but hey, new profit stream for them. Chris Leben MIGHT be guilty as fuck here. He MIGHT have a serious drinking problem. But getting accused of DUI in this country in 2010, by itself, doesn’t mean a motherfucking thing.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 20, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Sounds like you're just bitter about something that happened to you.
Really doubt you gave a shit before that. And shocker the government wants money and thinks people acting dangerously on the road should be giving it to them. That’s just outrageous!
by Josh Grant on Oct 20, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Cops have been even douchier when it comes to med cards
My buddy got pulled over after picking up from a clinic and the Cop smelled the weed and charged him for possession. He showed him his card and the Cop ripped it up and said he doesn’t care.
Wait wait
You freely admit to having an illegal drug habit. Then you go on to complain that cops arrested you for having evidence of said drug habit laying around your car.
Hold on, I have something for you…
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by The Lethal Haze on Oct 21, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
considering your nick
i lol’d just a bit. and rec’d it
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by Cory Braiterman on Oct 21, 2010 3:17 AM EDT up reply actions
It sounds like you were DWI. As one of many who have lost family to people like you-please take your punishment and stop putting the rest of us in peril.
by Jonathan Snowden on Oct 21, 2010 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
Unless you don't take him at his word
then he wasn’t DWI… I’m sorry you’ve lost family, but unless you have evidence that he was actually DWI, you shouldn’t acuse someone of literally putting your life in danger.
He may be lying, I don’t know him personally, but his story is consistant with several of my friends who have also received tickets while completely sober.
by Sqwibbs on Oct 21, 2010 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
11 ng/mL of THC in my blood, which is completely consistent with someone that smokes when they get home for the day.
by Jonathan Snowden on Oct 21, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That isn’t necessary an indicator that he was intoxicated. THC stays in the bloods stream for days. One of the problems with pot being illegal is that there is no "legal limit" defined like there is with booze.
He very well could be someone who smokes pot after they have gotten home for the day, and refuses to drive while intoxicated by it, yet still has some amount of THC in his blood.
I cannot say that the amount he had in his blood is consistent with him being intoxicated. When pot is legalized, and they come out with a legal limit of 10 ng/mL, we can revisit this and I will gladly join you in ridiculing him for DWI, but until then it isn’t an appropriate reaction
It makes him a fucking hypocrite for attempting to defend anyone who was (allegedly) driving under the influence.
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If Subo wasn't driving under the influence
how is he a hypocrite?
by Sqwibbs on Oct 21, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Also...
what is hypocritical is someone who drinks alcohol recreationally, and then shits all over someone who smokes pot recreationally.
What?
One is fucking legal. The other is not. And I don’t operate a vehicle EVER. Not just when I’m not drinking. EVER. So it’s never an issue.
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Oh please...
don’t forget, alcohol was illegal for a long time. People who drank while it was illegal are no worse then the people who drank while it is legal.
Laws do not always reflect what is right.
The logic is faulty, as it usually is with weed smokers. The bottom line is that weed is illegal. I don’t give a shit about right or wrong. I personally have no problem with people smoking weed. It’s decriminalized where I live.
The problem I have is people that bitch about the long arm of the law getting them when they’re CLEARLY the ones that fucked up. And using their own stupidity to somehow attempt to defend other stupid people.
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I don't smoke pot...
and it’s decriminalized where I live as well. Maybe I mis-read what he said, but I thought Subo said he had his card. That would mean he didn’t do anything illegal… but he got busted for a crime he didn’t commit.
Look, I’m not gonna go back and forth about what subo did or didn’t do, it’s his life and his story. But his conspiracy theories and bullshit don’t change the fact that he’s a hypocrite for even attempting to defend Chris Leben. I’ll leave it at that.
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Who gives a fuck about legality?
I don’t a give a shit about legal or illegal. Disobeying immoral laws is the right thing to do.
"You stick a microphone in a guy's face and he calls out anybody but the champion, and Joe Silva should fax him a pink slip right then." -- Chael Sonnen.
Turn in the Jews!
Glad to know who the snitchers are in this community.
"You stick a microphone in a guy's face and he calls out anybody but the champion, and Joe Silva should fax him a pink slip right then." -- Chael Sonnen.
srsly
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 21, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
what's immoral about the law?
I’m all for legalization, but making a substance such as weed ‘illegal’ isn’t immoral…
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
Of course it is.
Telling people what they can and can’t do with their own body when they are not violating the rights of others is always immoral. Where the hell did you study philosophy?
"You stick a microphone in a guy's face and he calls out anybody but the champion, and Joe Silva should fax him a pink slip right then." -- Chael Sonnen.
well
I didn’t know I was speaking to a philosopher! my bad, I’ll try smoking some crack to get more knowledge, be back in a jiggy!
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
What venue did you think morality falls under if not philosophy?
"You stick a microphone in a guy's face and he calls out anybody but the champion, and Joe Silva should fax him a pink slip right then." -- Chael Sonnen.
you seem confused
must be all the weed you’re smoking dude, when did I say morality doesn’t isn’t subjected to philosophy?
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
I have never smoked weed in my life.
I drink wine now and then but that’s the extent of my consciousness altering.
"You stick a microphone in a guy's face and he calls out anybody but the champion, and Joe Silva should fax him a pink slip right then." -- Chael Sonnen.
it must be the alcohol than, my friend :p
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
No, it's your indefensible silliness
Outlawing life forms is moral?
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 21, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Jesus Subo
weed has life? come on brow, you can’t be that high…
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
It's a naturally occuring plant
Unaltered by man. What right does the government have to say what grows in my backyard?
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 21, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Why not?
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 21, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking of the bag in your car
I was sure it was dead by then, but I see your point now. outlawing a life form eh? I’ll tell you this, is it immoral to outlaw a life form, I concede, is it immoral to outlaw a life form growing on your back yard? depends on the life form… in Brazil, we can’t, for example, have wild animals in our backyards, especially ones that are in danger of extinction. now, is that immoral that my government will not allow me to have a pet such as a panda? Damn the system!
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
Does the government gather all the pandas they find, place them in a pile and set them ablaze?
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 21, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Meh, a panda will just eat all the poppies and weed plants. Defeats the purpose.
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but than it would become high
and kill the owner!
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
My first girlfriend used that argument against weed. She was 16.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 21, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
you have an intelligent girl there
too bad her bf is dumb as fuck
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
She didn't last long
Maybe you should go translate something as opposed to showing your hatred for marijuana. Have a beer while you’re at it – pour it on top of the hypocrisy and let simmer.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 21, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
atta girl!
guess it didn’t take her long to see the light, eh? do you have a reading comprehension problem Subo? Or do you just start screaming when people don’t agree with you? this is what I wrote:
I’m all for individual rights, I just don’t think it’s immoral to individuals to ban a substance that is not needed to survive (but I can give less of a fuck who decides to use them anyway). The war on drugs is however immoral, and that’s the only reason I’m in favor of legalization…
where is my hate for weed, exactly?
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
Never mind the sexism implied that only women are ever emotional. If banning something that isn’t needed to survive isn’t immoral, why is the war on drugs immoral?
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 21, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Never mind the sexism implied that only women are ever emotional.
reading comprehension problem… where do I imply that? at all?
If banning something that isn’t needed to survive isn’t immoral, why is the war on drugs immoral?
because it kills hundreds of thousands world wide, and plenty of those killed are innocent. that’s basically in a nutshell.
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
Why else call me a girl? Did you mean it as a compliment?
Automobiles kill hundreds of thousands world wide and plenty of those killed are innocent. Also not needed to survive. Moral to use? Moral to ban?
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 21, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
atta girl!
that was for your ex, I’d never call you a girl, I don’t play that low.
Automobiles kill hundreds of thousands world wide and plenty of those killed are innocent. Also not needed to survive. Moral to use? Moral to ban?
and then you say my examples are fucking insane?
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
yeah
that would even imply I was talking about his ex-girl and not him. which is why I said he’s got some reading comprehension problems.
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
you’re changing the subject, my point is still valid. I’ll answer yours though (with a question), does the government set these plants ablaze in nature or on people’s backyards and plantations?
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
Everywhere. And your point is FUCKING INSANE because you’re comparing laws against the ownership and sale of exotic animals that aren’t domesticated to the ownership and usage of a PLANT.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 21, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
As opposed to the guy that compared the germans killin the jews to immoral laws? This one’s low on the totem pole.
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@ Beer Monster: I was gonna say the same
@Subo: you said life form, I gave you an example of it… just because you didn’t like it doesn’t mean it wasn’t a good argument.
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
But the government doesn’t outlaw tigers and pandas, it outlaws private citizens owning and selling them. Zoos, circuses, etc can have them. The gov’t deems them worthy of protection.
Marijuana is Schedule I on a federal level – no medicinal value. It is burned en masse wherever it is found in nature. THAT is outlawing a life form, and THAT is immoral.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 21, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
But the government doesn’t outlawtigers and pandasweed, it outlaws private citizens owning and selling them.Zoos, circuses, etccitizens can get them for medicinal usage in some states and can have them. The gov’t deems them worthy of protection.
I’m just saying, it’s not everyone who can’t get them legally
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
You must not be an American
Do I tell you how Brazil handles their shit? The DEA – that’s Drug Enforcement Agency – enforces federal law above all else, has the freedom and jurisdiction to supercede state laws, and Frequently Does So, even in the age of Obama.
That card is a fucking piece of paper to make white people like me feel better and, again, give the state some more money (costs $5,000 just for the license to operate a dispensary in Colorado).
You know, this site used to be where I came to have an intelligent debate. I should just punch myself in the face instead next time.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 21, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude, don’t be ignorant like that. Just because you don’t see his point doesn’t make his stance stupid. He’s not resorting to insults at least.
http://www.instrength.com
this is basically subo right about now…
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
It takes a little higher caliber of content to get under my skin. Like a said, the last time I heard arguments like yours, I was a sophomore in high school.
Your point was there are people in the United States that can obtain and use marijuana legally. That’s not true.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 21, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
yes they can… there are even pharmacies in which you can smoke inside, I may not live there, but I’m not ignorant to all things US related… one doesn’t need to live somewhere to know about it, and if you have knowledge in the Brazilian culture, I’m all ears, that’s if you do of course. One thing I won’t do is start screaming once people seem to disagree with me, and that’s basically, by the looks of your comments, what you seem to be doing.
the last time I heard arguments like yours, I was a sophomore in high school.
yet you are so mature….
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
Those pharmacies can be raided by the DEA at any time, day or night, at their discretion, without even notifying local law enforcement.
You are wrong.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 21, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
They don’t though. While the letter of the law states that Federal supercedes State, it doesn’t happen. That’s why Cali is a haven for MM right now. Right?
http://www.instrength.com
San Jose County,
which is actually pretty close to where I live, is currently having city council meetings about which companies they will permit to grow weed on a industrial level.
No point to this comment really, I just thought it was kind of interesting
but they are allowed to grown than?
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
State says yes
Feds say no, and feds can kick down your door and jack you up whenever they please.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 21, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
that may be
how often are they raided?
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
Frequency is irrelevant
And California is a frequent target. Just because the Obama Administration doesn’t brag about them like Bush did doesn’t mean they’re not happening.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 21, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
who’s talking about Obama?
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
People mistakenly believe that, since a Democrat is in the White House, the DEA raids in states that have regulated MMJ sales have stopped. They haven’t.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 21, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
One example does not equal frequent
And frequency is absolutely relevant. You pointing out frequency contradicts your first statement.
http://www.instrength.com
You said "it doesn't happen"
One example refutes that. Go ahead and Google “DEA marijuana raids California” and see what happens.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 21, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
this is from the link you provided
Authorities said the marijuana was sold illegally at Clinical Relief in Ferndale and Everybody’s Café, a restaurant in Waterford Township
is this a restaurant or a clinic? what did they mean by being sold illegally? did they have the licenses to sell them? I’m just saying, just because it may be legal in a state, doesn’t mean you can just grow your own and sell them as you see fit. but if everything was legit, paper wise, than I’ll concede. if they did…
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
You are correct, one example refutes my statement. It does not add up to frequent though. The number of users and providers in Cali compared to the number of raids makes it look pretty small by comparison, doesn’t it?
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So as long as they’re only violating the rights of a small percentage of sick people, it’s ok? The DEA doesn’t have an unlimited budget or unlimited number of employees.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 21, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sick people?
You KNOW that’s idealistic. I know it’s a slippery slope, but the standards to qualify for medical marijuana are laughable.
http://www.instrength.com
Let’s start telling doctors when they should prescribe what!
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 21, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
What standards should exist other than the recommendation of a licensed physician? I want it completely legal – and I bet part of you does too – but if it has medicinal purposes, who the fuck is anyone to say a patient can’t have access to it?
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 21, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I live in BC dude, it already is all but legal here. I’ve never touched the stuff in my life, I have no desire to no matter whether it’s legal or not. I know what it’s like to live in a place where you don’t need a card to smoke. Is it a bad place? No. Is it a place where problems you’ve never even considered have popped up because it’s been pseudo-legalized? Absolutely. It’s not as simple as you think it is.
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I'm interested
to know about the problems that popped up. Honestly.
In the area of California I live, pot is all but legal. People literally smoke it on the street without fear. The only problems that I’ve noticed stem from it’s semi-legal status.
One example – because of it’s value and the ability to grow in mass amounts without any fear, it’s frequently traded for cocaine or other drugs, which are highly illegal here. When the coke market slowed and there was nothing to trade the weed for, the gangs up here started going to town on each other to control what little hard drug trade was available. In other words, quasi-legal or not, the majority of the MJ trade is still run by organized crime.
http://www.instrength.com
See, I would attribute that to it’s semi-legal status. If it where 100% legal, then corporations would be able to produce such vast quantities that criminals wouldn’t be able to make any money producing it.
oh I don't know...
those companies in San Jose are talking about growing many tons of pot. I believe It will only take a few more of those operations to drop the crime rate in my part of the state significantly.
We’ll see, you could be right.
And I’m not sayin the standards should be different. I’m saying that they’re laughably low. ADD is a legit medical reason to smoke dope? Uh, okay.
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Dr. Monster?
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 21, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
yea...
of all the people I know that have their card, only 1 has a valid medical reason for smoking pot (testicular cancer + Chemo).
I think pot should be legal, and controlled in the same way that alcohol is. I think the medical MJ laws are just one baby step towards that.
Also
whats a bitch move is knowingly breaking the law and then complaining about the consequences of getting caught.
If he wasn’t sloppy about his shit, he wouldn’t have had bud on the floor of his truck.
The fact that there was bud there suggests he, at the bare minimum, rolls up in his car. If he only smoked when he got home from work like he suggests, there shouldn’t be any evidence of drug use in his car.
MAYBE he wasn’t DUI. I used to take exams in college while high, and get good grades. Just because you can perfrom certain tasks doesn’t mean you aren’t under the influence. Given that he had bud laying around his car, he likely drove while high before. He just wasn’t caught.
So forgive me for not giving a shit about his excuse that he wasn’t DUI “this time”.
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by The Lethal Haze on Oct 21, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Hey, I just said that we have no evidence that he was DUI.
Having weed on your carpet doesn’t prove anything. and being convicted of a crime that you weren’t committing is total bullshit.
Maybe the weed was transfered from his shoes? maybe he dropped a bag? Who the fuck knows? Maybe he did roll a joint in his car… that doesn’t mean he smoked while he was driving, or before driving.
Put down your reefer madness vhs tape, and get off your jump to conclusions mat.
by Sqwibbs on Oct 21, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sometimes people don't have many options
if you think that the legal system is fair, and that people who have not committed crimes always get off… well, I don’t think you believe that.
Many times, in the US legal system, you are presented with a loose-loose choice to make. If you’re not rich, most of the time you take the option that will impact your life the least, even if it means admitting you did something that you didn’t do.
He plead out because garaunteed <0 days in jail is always better than the possibility of spending >0 days in jail.
You can’t fault him for pleading out. Its the smart thing to do. Lots of people plead out to crimes they didn’t commit, because the possibility of legal penalties from being convicted far outweigh the penalties for pleading to a lesser charge. Lots of innocent people in jail, lots of guilty people on the street.
Pleading out doesn’t mean a person is factually guilty, just criminally guilty. On the other hand, just becuase someone is acquitted of charges doesn’t mean they didn’t commit the crime they were charged with, just that they are criminally “not guilty”.
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by The Lethal Haze on Oct 21, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Pleading out doesn’t mean a person is factually guilty, just criminally guilty. On the other hand, just becuase someone is acquitted of charges doesn’t mean they didn’t commit the crime they were charged with, just that they are criminally "not guilty".
And being charged with a crime doesn’t mean you committed it.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 21, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
What you're going through is shitty but
its not the cops fault you had bud on the carpet of your car. That was your fault. You gave them the evidence they need to trump up charges against you. Be a man, don’t play the victim.
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by The Lethal Haze on Oct 21, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's the thing...
When you are, in actuality, a victim of trumped up charges, you’re not playing a victim.
If your trying to make the point that it is ok for you to be made a victim, as long as you where breaking the law first, I whole heartedly disagree with you. That’s like saying it’s ok for prostitutes to be raped because they where breaking the law before hand.
Two wrongs don’t make a right, and the abuse of authority is a significantly worse crime then the possession of a substance that shouldn’t even be illegal in the first place.
They’re fucking revenue collectors. All of them. This whole texting while driving movement, to legislate against it – straight money grab. Unenforceable since everyone does it, but hey, new profit stream for them.
He doesn’t have to piss in a cup because the state wants his money. He has to piss in a cup because he was driving with contraband in his property, and in his blood.
His choices led him to where he is today.
From below:
They found an excuse to get some money out of me and took it. It was my fault for giving them the opening, and I’ll never do it again
He manned up. He admitted he only has himself to blame for this. Why are you still apologizing for him?
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by The Lethal Haze on Oct 21, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
You’ve come up with about 22 more excuses for his actions than he has. Surely you can see that. Whenever you use the word “if”…you’re making an excuse.
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I don't think I once excused his actions...
I said that you are accusing him of actions that you have no evidence that he committed. That’s not the same thing as excusing his actions.
An apology proper is explaining someone’s actions. It doesn’t have to include an “I’m sorry.” You hilariously attempted to explain how the bud got in his car. You also tried repeatedly to explain how the predicament he is in is not his fault.
You are a Subo apologist.
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-Joell Ortiz
by The Lethal Haze on Oct 21, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t see how having false charges leveled against you can be your fault. That just doesn’t jive with me. It shouldn’t fucking matter if he had weed on his carpet, if you aren’t driving while intoxicated, you shouldn’t be charged with it.
And dude, my “attempt” to explain how weed got into his car was not exactly crazy. I know a few people that trim once in a while as a side job. Weed gets fucking everywhere.
Interesting
I’m 31. I’m surprised you’re as idealistic as you are at your age. Not meant as an insult, I just figured the way of the world would have caught up with your idealism by now.
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No insult taken.
I don’t know if calling me idealistic is accurate. I am pretty well informed, and I am very pessimistic most of the time. I recognize how unjust the world is and the facts tend to make me angrier.
And dude, my "attempt" to explain how weed got into his car was not exactly crazy. I know a few people that trim once in a while as a side job. Weed gets fucking everywhere.
I don’t follow. Trimming as in “trimming hedges”? What were they trimming?
Or does was I mistaken and you mean trimming in another sense than trimming hedges?
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by The Lethal Haze on Oct 21, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
a wise man once told me
if you want to have women orally affixed to your genitals, you better make them a nice place to visit.
I think we are off topic…
If it is sarcasm on his part, I missed it. That was my genuine attempt to figure out wtf he was talking about. So it ain’t sarcasm on my part.
Saying its possible to track weed into your car from your shoes is fucking hilarious. If that is actually a point that Sqwibbs made, and is sticking to it, I don’t think I have any more to talk to him about regarding bud.
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by The Lethal Haze on Oct 21, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm going to assume you really don't..
Pot doesn’t grow in 1/8th ounce baggies. After it is harvested it needs to be processed so that it can be sold. Trimming is part of the processing. You being an expert in all things pot related, I figured you would have known that and decided to make funny joke about hedges, which I really did laugh out loud about.
Anyway, if you know anybody that trims, you know that pot really is transferable. It gets everywhere. I have literally seen it fall out of peoples hair. No fucking joke.
So, in context, you said that having flakes of pot on the floor of his truck means he was DWI. My point was that there are plenty of ways for pot to get there without him being DWI.
LMAO Refer Madness?
You don’t smoke weed. You admit this. Maybe it was stuck to his shoe? Your scenarios for how the weed could have gotten into the car are laughably implausible. You know so little about weed you don’t even recognize what my SN refers to. Never once did I make a value judgment about MJ use on this page. I didn’t even make a value judgment on DUI of weed either.
Getting busted by the cops is always shitty; playing the victim is shitty in a different way. Take your shit like a man and move on. Deal with the consequences of your choices. This was my main gripe with Subo’s “look at me and feel sorry” story. Its not the cops fault that Subo was in possession of MJ when they pulled him over. That’s Subo’s fault. The DUI charge may very well be BS, but if Subo had just cleaned up after himself, he wouldn’t be in the situation he is now.
Also, given my direct experience with MJ, I don’t believe that he only gets high at home after work, like he said in his post. He freely admitted to a shitload of circumstantial evidence otherwise. He admitted to being a habitual user. He admitted to having bud laying on his truck’s carpet. (What does < 1 gram mean to you? Probably nothing, as you have no frame of reference. To me that means it was probably more than enough to pack a bowl, maybe two bowls. Possibly enough to roll a skinny blunt with.)
So yeah, I don’t know if he was DUI the night in question. I don’t care. But the evidence, circumstantial as it may be, suggests he does smoke in his car. So I call BS on “I only smoke in my house.” Thats my judgment.
He’s not dumb. He knows the risks he runs by using. And his choices directly led him to where he is today. Don’t ask me to feel sorry for him.
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-Joell Ortiz
by The Lethal Haze on Oct 21, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
You are one for jumping to conclusions...
Just because I do not smoke pot myself does not mean I don’t have direct experience.
Having weed on the floor of his truck doesn’t mean jack shit. I would bet that there is some weed in my car (I can smell it, but I haven’t been able to find it yet), and I don’t even smoke pot. Now if he had a pipe in his glove box, or rolling papers in his pocket, you might have a leg to stand on.
Subo didn’t originally post his sob story, he posted that getting a DUI doesn’t always mean that you are intoxicated. People refuted his point, so he went into depth using his on personal experiences as an example. That doesn’t seem like a boohoo or conspiracy theory post to me.
I was actually trying to avoid getting into the details of my situation. Not something that fills me with joy when I think about it.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 21, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
See, this is sound advice.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 21, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
And if you get pulled over, and a cop finds the weed, it isn’t the fault of whoever dropped the bud in your car. Its your fault.
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by The Lethal Haze on Oct 21, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
It's actually Ronald Reagan's fault
But then again, most things are.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 21, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
No… no it isn’t my fault. See, I live in a society where I am innocent until proven guilty, and the burden of proof lies with the prosecution.
It would end up costing me a shit load of money, but I would get off.
You’re not seeing the larger part of Subo’s situation. It’s not as idealistic as you’re making it out to be. If he beats the DUI, SWEET! Then he goes to jail for possession…BOO.
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Oh I see it.
This who thing is about a DUI. The rest is kind of irrelevant. That’s why I’m not really engaging in the whole, let’s outlaw Panda’s conversation.
Jesus, no
Possession is a $100 ticket. I’d have taken that all day. The Republican Congress of the 1990’s passed a lovely bill that banned students convicted of simple possession from receiving federal student aid, which (in addition to loans which I’d have to pay back immediately) is the only way I can fund school. Because the last thing we want is people that made mistakes educating and bettering themselves, amirite?
I would have beaten the DUI because you have to be “substantially incapable of operating a motor vehicle” and I was demonstrably not. The prospect of insta-$8,000 of debt and no way to pay for school (plus the ever-present possibility of a horrific jury/judge combination) led me to plea, and for that, I’m lumped in with drunk drivers I want to strangle in my alcohol classes, a MADD panel complete with photo montages, and a dude watching me piss twice a month at $30 a pop, and paying some one $50 a month to hopefully not call me (probation officer), and a total of about $1,600 in costs.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 21, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
So if you were pulled over and the cops gave you a ticket or arrested you for possession, who's fault would it be?
What your missing is that I’m talking about existential responsibility, while you seem to be talking about criminal liability.
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by The Lethal Haze on Oct 21, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I know what you are doing
I just don’t agree with that outlook on life. Everyone is responsible for everything that every happened to them because they made choices that led them to where there are when those things happened. Meh, I don’t agree.
Answer the question though. You know there is weed in your car. A cop pulls you over, finds it, arrests or tickets you.
Who’s fault is it that you got arrested/ticketed?
And I don’t believe that everything that happens to someone is their “fault”. Alot of things happen to people that are beyond their control. Being in possession of contraband isn’t one of those things.
Subo broke the law. He was in possession of contraband. All of his legal problems stem from his choice to consume an illicit substance. The predicament he finds himself in is of his own making.
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by The Lethal Haze on Oct 21, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
First, I want to address something you said.
You said “All of his legal problems stem from his choice to consume an illicit substance.”
This is too much of a generalization. All of his legal problems also stem from the fact that he was in a particular place at a particular time. So you could lay blame at to all of the choices that led him to that particular place at that time.
The reality is that some of his legal problems stem from the fact that he was unjustly (possibly illegally) charged with a crime he didn’t commit.
To answer your question, it wouldn’t be my fault, because I have committed no crime. Personally, I have the money to fight a charge like that, and there is plenty of reasonable doubt. I am confident that a judge would agree that it was not my fault.
Possession of weed isn’t a crime/violation where you are from?
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by The Lethal Haze on Oct 21, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Right! Exactly!
Those stupid fucks who hid Jews in their attics when the NAZIs came rolling through deserve everything they got, right? How dare they bitch about being punished for protecting people from death. They knowingly broke the law.
"You stick a microphone in a guy's face and he calls out anybody but the champion, and Joe Silva should fax him a pink slip right then." -- Chael Sonnen.
yes
what about killing people? it’s illegal, but I say fuck it! arghhhhhhh!
you’re comparing civil disobedience to smoking weed? really?
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
I'm talking about ignoring immoral legislation
Thankfully some people aren’t such colossal pussies that they’ll succumb to being abused by the police state at every turn. No offense, you.
"You stick a microphone in a guy's face and he calls out anybody but the champion, and Joe Silva should fax him a pink slip right then." -- Chael Sonnen.
immorality is subjective, but I guess there is no convincing you, mr. philosopher…
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
One should have a coherent and consistent world view
If you don’t own your own body and someone else has the right to impose his will on you by force or threat then you’re a slave.
"You stick a microphone in a guy's face and he calls out anybody but the champion, and Joe Silva should fax him a pink slip right then." -- Chael Sonnen.
I’m all for individual rights, I just don’t think it’s immoral to individuals to ban a substance that is not needed to survive (but I can give less of a fuck who decides to use them anyway). The war on drugs is however immoral, and that’s the only reason I’m in favor of legalization…
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
Ridiculous
You need food, water, and oxygen to survive. So if the government put you on a strict diet of rice and spinach and water and gave you access to oxygen, I guess you couldn’t really complain if they made everything else illegal for you.
"You stick a microphone in a guy's face and he calls out anybody but the champion, and Joe Silva should fax him a pink slip right then." -- Chael Sonnen.
Look, most diet substances don’t make you high, now, I know weed has no health risks, and I already said I’m in favor of legalizing it. Science has only recently made the case for this, it’s a matter of time until it becomes legal. I’m also in favor of legalizing all substances, even the ones with health risks. I pretty much agree with your original statement that government shouldn’t make anything illegal to civilians who aren’t risking anyone else’s lives, but I also believe in making things legal through legislative processes. If anyone wants to break the law, be my guest, just don’t complain if you get jail time.
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
one last point, hopefully...
he wasn’t defending Leben for drunk driving, he saying that getting a DWI is not 100% proof that a person was intoxicated while driving.
I’m glad someone hear can read.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 21, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
*here
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 21, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
thank God some of us can rite good to.
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by The Lethal Haze on Oct 21, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Frankly, I’m surprised I’m still here.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 21, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s pretty ignorant to attack someone on the basis of having THC in their blood stream. Show me a case of serious vehicle accident caused by a persona under the influence of marijuana. Driving with weed in your blood stream doen’t mean you’re high. Same can’t be said about alcohol.
by Str8_right on Oct 21, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I've lost friends to drunk driving
who were drunk and driving
and got destroyed by someone else who was also drunk and driving except those who were not them fucked up horrifically and crashed into them.
Where is your grey in this situation? Honest question, since you decided to go black and white initially and use that as a crutch to avoid that which you respond to.
perception is reality
by Marvin Malehooves on Oct 21, 2010 3:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I've known innocent people
who were killed by drug agents who mistakenly raided the wrong house. What’s your point?
"You stick a microphone in a guy's face and he calls out anybody but the champion, and Joe Silva should fax him a pink slip right then." -- Chael Sonnen.
That's a ballsy thing to say
I hadn’t imbibed at all before embarking on a 40 mile drive – of which I completed 35 miles – in shitty conditions. I don’t have a death wish, and the only reason I was offered a plea to DWAI is that the family that struck me didn’t want to see me to go jail.
As the son of a repeat DUI offender and someone that abhors drunk driving, fuck you.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 21, 2010 3:57 AM EDT up reply actions
what subo did is far far worse then what daley has done. so scummy.
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by The Omaplatapus on Oct 21, 2010 5:06 AM EDT up reply actions
And down comes the hammer.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
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You had weed in your truck and you’re trying to act holier than thou? Subo, I might tease you about stuff sometimes, you’re a cool guy and all that…but this right here is the stupidest fucking logic I’ve ever heard.
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Honestly, pot is no where near as bad as alcohol.
I don’t smoke pot, but plenty of my friends do. They are some of the more reasonable, respectable people I’ve met. Especially when compaired to the alcoholics I know.
No, my friends smoke pot when they are safe at home. But they always have some amount of THC in their blood stream because of the frequency that they smoke. That does not always mean that they are intoxicated.
The point is, that simply having weed in your car is not enough to say that someone is DWI. It’s also not enough to prove that someone is a bad person.
I smoke the evil reefer. I’m not scared homie…and to be honest, I’ve driven a shit load of times high. Hell, you got a long trip, nothing better than being blazed and jamming out to some good music to pass the time. That being said…Being stoned and driving is NOTHING like being drunk and driving. Driving drunk is just stupid, for all parties involved. Go ahead and criticize me and call my hypocritical, those that do obviously have never smoked enjoyably…
by Str8_right on Oct 21, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I love how potheads try to justify smoking and driving. It’s pathetically funny.
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by Tim Burke on Oct 21, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I didn't smoke and drive.
That’s the point. If you smoke marijuana for medicinal purposes – legal in Colorado – then you have THC in your bloodstream at all times. You have a stem stuck to your shoe and they blood test you, you’re fucked.
You’re one of the smartest people I’ve ever heard claim that laws should be followed simply because they’re there. I don’t drive intoxicated, and people that have never met me painting me as something… well, I suppose I should be used to that by now.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 21, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m perfectly willing to retract my statements if I’m painting you with the wrong brush. But your statements so far have had some contradictions.
Few questions, for clarity’s sake then -
1. Do you have a medical marijuana card?
2. Were you originally charged with a DUI or a DWI?
3. Why did you have weed on the floor of your truck?
4. Was their only “evidence” the weed in your truck?
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1. No – costs hundreds of dollars to get an appointment with a doctor. Wouldn’t have mattered, either – the way the laws are written in Colorado, having a valid MMJ prescription wouldn’t have absolved me of anything except for possession. If it’s in your blood – and if you frequently smoke it always is – they can get you. Then, the judge asks me if I have one, just to tell me it doesn’t work for probation. Good to know the courts decide what medicine you’re allowed to take, as opposed to, say, a doctor.
2. DUI. My public defender (back to being broke) was confident we could beat the DUI, given the road conditions, low amount in my blood (it spikes to about 150-200 ng right after smoking and can take days to completely leave) and performance on the field sobriety. However, beating the DUI would have involved eating the possession charge, and that would have fucked my student loans right up (thanks, Republicans of the 80’s and 90’s). Taking the DWAI plea kept my license, kept my record drug-charge free and didn’t jeopardize my education.
3. Who knows? Driving around with a bag in your car shouldn’t be a DUI any more than driving around with an unopened bear shouldn’t be a DUI. I had no pipe, no papers, nothing with which to imbibe. They found an excuse to get some money out of me and took it. It was my fault for giving them the opening, and I’ll never do it again.
4. Yes. No pipe. Destroyed the field sobriety. Had I taken the ride to the hospital that the firefighters offered me, I might not be dealing with this right now.
Here’s another point: I was charged in February and pleaded down at the end of August. In those six months, the DMV didn’t touch my license. That alone shows me that this isn’t about protecting the public from my wanton, unacceptably dangerous driving.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 21, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
1. So you had no legal right to possess the weed. Correct? If you had the card, you would have been absolved of a possession charge – which is what you explicitly pled out to avoid. Correct?
2. So you pled out to avoid a possession charge. Your lawyer was confident you’d win, but it never came to that. Correct?
3. What should or shouldn’t be the law doesn’t matter. What IS the law is what matters, isn’t it? An unopened beer isn’t illegal to possess. Any amount of weed is illegal to possess. Correct?
4. Okay, fair enough.
Overall, if you got hosed, you got hosed. Shitty deal. But you were in possession of an illegal substance in your vehicle, without any legal reason for having it, do you really have a reason to complain? You put yourself in that position.
I will retract the comments about you being hypocritical if you weren’t high at the time you’re driving, and I’ll apologize for making the statements. I won’t apologize or retract the statements about you being dumb for having the shit in your car though.
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I won't ask you to
As I said, I gave them the opening.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 21, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d let the Pot Monster give me a ride home over the Beer Monster.
perception is reality
by Marvin Malehooves on Oct 21, 2010 3:18 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
The difference would that you’d get there slower but more than likely safer.
by Str8_right on Oct 21, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Chris Leben has a serious drinking problem. Its gonna be with him as long as he lives. The above are not the actions of a rational man dealing as best he can with that problem.
by VirtualBalboa on Oct 21, 2010 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions
subo
you’re so polarizing and honest. this is what makes you awesome.
perception is reality
by Marvin Malehooves on Oct 21, 2010 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions
and I've rec'd nearly all your bullshit in this thread
perception is reality
by Marvin Malehooves on Oct 21, 2010 3:08 AM EDT up reply actions
This explains a lot, actually. I mean, now we know why he thought UFC 119 was a good show – dude was totally blazed.
by VirtualBalboa on Oct 21, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
This whole texting while driving movement, to legislate against it – straight money grab
yes, because keeping your eyes off the road while driving is perfectly acceptable!
Unenforceable since everyone does it, but hey, new profit stream for them
so, because everyone does it (in your perspective), it’s perfectly acceptable!
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
I saw that Will Smith movie, driving and being a terrible human being just inevitably makes you a better human being.
perception is reality
by Marvin Malehooves on Oct 21, 2010 5:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't follow
which movie is this?
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
he was texting someone work related, crashed,, his wife and everyone else(6 others) died in the crash, he donated the rest of his body’s organs while being healthy to keeping people alive (including a timed suicide because he fell in love with a girl that had a bad heart.)
It was a bad joke and I apologize.
perception is reality
by Marvin Malehooves on Oct 21, 2010 5:30 AM EDT up reply actions
throw in a spoiler alert next time, asshole
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by The Lethal Haze on Oct 21, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
So you cant drive for shit? That should be a crime.
by SilverNBlackZach! on Oct 21, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Guilty until proven innocent
Guilty by association, have the right to remain silent because anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. Have you never watched CSI?
There is NO WAY anyone is assumed innocent in our judicial system.
Do you believe Chael Sonnen is innocent of PED’s since he hasn’t had his “day in court”?
#giveyourheadashake
by magneto on Oct 21, 2010 1:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Chael Sonnen will never have a “day in court”, he broke a sports regulation not a law. There is no innocent until proven guilty in terms of sports regulations because it’s not actually something that goes to court or has a criminal penalty attached to it. Athletic commissions only regulate people that are specifically licensed by the athletic commissions and they make no judgement that affect those people outside of the sport they are regulating.
As far as innocent until proven guilty, it’s the basis of our entire system. You bring up CSI and then the judicial system, you do realize that the police are not part of the judicial branch? The police and district attourneys are not bound by innocent until proven guilty because they don’t actually make the judgement of guilt or not they just present the case against a defendant in court. Perhaps you should go back and pick up a middle school civics book.
I can't see how he doesn't get cut for this...
This is a damn shame. Ironic that they’re showing his fight with Akiyama on Spike AS I’M TYPING THIS!
I can’t see how he possibly keeps his job after this. First strike was the initial DUI, second strike was getting popped for steroids, I gotta think this is his third strike and he’s out. It’s sad too because he was just starting to rise up the ranks again and was a legit contender for fighter of the year with how had performed to this point.
He should get cut
And honestly prior to Silva/Simpson/Sexyama he should’ve been gone.
I don’t think he will.
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by SSreporters on Oct 20, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
no way.
Leben is a bigger draw now than ever.
If Rampage can get away with his shit , Leben will get past this.
"One should always be cold minded and remember that a ridiculous incident may occur any time."
was gonna say the same
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
DUI isn’t a job related offense for a MMA fighter. They can’t cut him for this, now if he loses or gets in trouble for a job related offense then his past personal history can (and probably will) play into it. It’s similar to how the UFC couldn’t drop Babalu for being arrested for battery but that may of come up when they decided to drop him for his actions after the David Heath fight a month later. Chances are that Chris Leben has put himself into a must win/can’t get into any commission trouble at all situation for his next couple of fights.
that's not always true
a private company such as the UFC can cut people for things outside of the job-related area, such as was the case for Warmachine.
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
War Machine was making negative comments about the UFC/Evan Tanner and turned down a fight. Those are very much job related issues. He also lost his last fight which gave the UFC a contractual reason.
You have to remember that fighters are independant contractors not employees, the UFC isn’t firing anyone they are terminating a contract. To do that they have to have a contractionally listed reason (normally losing a fight). If Leben’s contract has a “no DUI’s in his personal time” type of clause then they can, if not then they can’t terminate the contract for that reason. You can get fired from a job in many states for no given reason (right to work states) but that is very different than breaking a contract.
from what I remember
War made some negative comments regarding Obama and that’s when he got the boot. Sure, what you mentioned also happened prior to it, but he got the boot when he made the comments about Obama (from what I remember anyhow).
What I’m trying to say is that it’s up to their discretion, as a private company, on a case by case basis to determine if they should be letting someone go, not always tied to their job, since an independent contractor could potentially make a bad name for the UFC company, they just can’t discriminate. For example, a couple of months ago, Tito was accused of beating Jenna, White came out saying that if the allegations were true, that Tito would be cut from the UFC. The fact that the charges were dropped is outside my point, if Tito had in fact been convicted as beating his wife, Dana would have cut him from the UFC’s roster and that was not job related.
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
War Machine (5-2 MMA, 1-1 UFC), “The Ultimate Fighter 6” cast member previously known as Jon Koppenhaver before he legally changed his name, has been dropped by the UFC in the wake up a controversial web posting the fighter made regarding the death of former UFC champion Evan Tanner.
War Machine said he recently turned down a fight — one with an opponent who had little name recognition — and that the decision may have also played a part in the UFC’s decision to drop him from the roster.
“The UFC cut me,” Koppenhaver confirmed with MMAjunkie.com
http://mmajunkie.com/news/5275/war-machine-ufc-cut-me-over-declined-fight-evan-tanner-comments.mma
You:
What I’m trying to say is that it’s up to their discretion, as a private company, on a case by case basis to determine if they should be letting someone go, not always tied to their job,
Me:
If Leben’s contract has a "no DUI’s in his personal time" type of clause then they can, if not then they can’t terminate the contract for that reason.If the contract has that kind of clause in it then yes they can release him(and in the post below Snowden is indicating it does). You can’t break a contract based on company discretion it has to be done based on the language in the contract. In the case with Tito I would bet that there was a clause in the contract that allowed for them to cut Tito over personal conduct.
so my original point stands true
a private company such as the UFC can cut people for things outside of the job-related area
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
If there is something in the contract to address that. Not every independant contract has language to that subject, the UFC may due to fighters being publically visible figures (would have to ask someone like Snowden about that). Having been an independant contractor myself in the past as has several members of my family I have noticed that no two contracts are the same, you would have to defer to the language in the specific contract to determine what justifies terminating the agreement. Personally I have never had one that would allow for that but then I was never a publically visible figure for a company either.
They can release fighters whenever they want. Also making bad publicity is a valid reason.
Just imagine if next time god forbid he hurts or kills someone what do you think will be on the news? UFC fighter Chris Leben. Dana White offers no comment.
by Papercut Elbow on Oct 21, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
The UFC contract would most certainly allow them to cut Leben for something like this.
by Jonathan Snowden on Oct 21, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
They can cut him for not upholding personal conduct.
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by James Brady on Oct 21, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
If there is a personal conduct clause in the contract that covers this then yes they can. Snowden is indicating there is something in the contract to this point and I will decline to his knowledge of UFC contractual clauses as I am not privy to the wording of UFC contracts.
They're independent contractors they can be cut for any reason. Look at Todd Duffee and his bad attitude
by Papercut Elbow on Oct 21, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
You don't really get how it is.
The UFC reserves the right to terminate any contract at any time.
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by James Brady on Oct 21, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
damn leben
why is this guy so self destructive? I love his fighting spirit but he needs to get his head straight
Chris, this is a huge shame and one that you should definitely be ashamed of
That being said… please tell me he skips out on bail in Hawaii and Dog the Bounty Hunter has to chase him down. Oh… my… God… that would make this whole thing so worth it. Please be the magical silver lining!!
Hey
at least he didnt pull a Rampage. No way this affects the fight. Dana will say “let the courts play it out.” and the courts will take longer than Jan 1, 2011.
Chris Leben vs. Chael Sonnen
Coming to you live at UFC 142 FALL 2011!
by The_One_Yandle on Oct 20, 2010 11:50 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
shark fights you mean?
"One should always be cold minded and remember that a ridiculous incident may occur any time."
by VelociAldo on Oct 21, 2010 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
more like sharkfarts
perception is reality
by Marvin Malehooves on Oct 21, 2010 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh Leben, only you can eff up this good.
If I wake up tomorrow and see that the world has ended, then that means God has finally granted my prayers.
GO Armageddon!!!
What a mess.
From a quick google it looks like no license for a year, 5-14 days jail, 240 hours community service, and anywhere from 550 and up in fines, (+legal representation?) Thats just for the 2nd dui charge. Don’t know what will happen if other charges are filed. Insurace is going to be a nightmare as well when he is able to drive again.
by muppetsarntpuppets on Oct 21, 2010 12:02 AM EDT reply actions
10 years from now
In a decade will we look back and think, “shit that was a crazy time for MMA” ?
Nope. If we have shady gangsters running our most influencial MMA promotion the sport will stay in the basement and on ESPN ocho.
by magneto on Oct 21, 2010 1:34 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
ESPN ocho?
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by James Brady on Oct 21, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I know what it is.
Just don’t see how it makes sense, what with the fact that SportsCenter just devoted about fifteen minutes altogether to UFC 121 over the past two days, which is huge.
And then God created Saturn... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
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by James Brady on Oct 21, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm leaving this tab open
just to show you the true powers of a drunk response in a few hours.
perception is reality
by Marvin Malehooves on Oct 21, 2010 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Leben is a dumbass...
and I love him as a fighter I do and he’s not a bad guy. But listen…
Let’s not forget RAMPAGE FUCKIN JACKSON went bat shit crazy and sideswiped a pregnant woman. Which may have killed her CHILD.
The more you drive, the less intelligent you are.
Hey brah I didn't waste my hard earned money hiring people to sweep it under the rug
just for some kaybaord werrier to lose his glasses and find it underneath. check ya lens, lern ya scope. shit’s the past, berating Leben is the new future. onward toward human progress! Stann by 1st rd KO.
perception is reality
by Marvin Malehooves on Oct 21, 2010 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Even the woman’s own doctor testified that the wreck had nothing at all to do with the woman losing the pregnancy. It was a horrible situation he was in but there is a very real reason he was never charged with the pregnant woman miscarrying, because the medical evidence showed it wasn’t the case. Thought that had been cleared up years ago, I guess not.
by who me on Oct 21, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wow
He has a huge, wide head.
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by Gremio on Oct 21, 2010 9:34 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
We all make mistakes and use poor judgement at times
but to repeatedly do the same thing is ridiculous. My guess is 6 months in jail, but I truly hope the UFC outright releases him. I like Leben as a fighter, but it is time for the promotion to make a statement.
I’m not going to compare him to other people or other incidents, but rather on what I feel about him particular.
Looks like Leben's "Transformation into a different person" lasted all of 2 fights.
He looks pretty fat and its obvious that if he doesn’t have a license and insurance that he never finished paying off his fines or classes from his last DUI.
I guess all that bonus money from beating Akiyama and Aaron Simpson went straight to tequila shots and spam sandwiches in Hawaii.
by SilverNBlackZach! on Oct 21, 2010 12:59 PM EDT reply actions
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