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Dana White Sics UFC Fans on ESPN

Will Dana White be declining future offers to appear on ESPN?

ESPN ran the results of UFC 120 on their ticker yesterday hours before the Spike TV broadcast of UFC 120. 

Dana White tweeted off the handle:

You guys needs to e mail and tweet ESPN for f***in up the results not me.

His followers took the bait and it was not pretty.

Josh Gross responds:

Stunning.

Search "espn ufc" on Twitter to get a sense for the reaction White prompted. Yes, this is the UFC president, with more than 1.2 million followers, telling people to COMPLAIN to ESPN for publishing MMA news. It's mind numbing. Maybe next time they'll just choose not to cover it at all. How quickly we forget where the sport was five years ago. To be offended by ESPN or SI or any mainstream sports news outlet considering MMA relevant enough to publish results in real time is asinine.

A better suggestion, as pointed out by a lucid observer via Twitter: How about directing complaints to UFC's TV partner, Spike TV?

Zach Arnold comments:

As far as ESPN giving out the spoiler results, let's put it this way - the event aired live in Canada on Rogers Sportsnet and aired live in the UK. ESPN gives out spoilers all the time for events that are live (see: boxing).
From a promoter's point of view, I get the frustration. But the rest of the world isn't Japan and as long as the yakuza isn't running the UFC, you won't see the media shy away from posting spoilers. (In Japan, the media for pro-wrestling and MMA events waits until 3 AM the next morning to publish reports.)

Geno Mrosko adds:

Dana White told fans on his Twitter to complain to ESPN for rolling spoilers across the bottom of the screen on their ticker on ABC during college football games and on their channel. He actually told his 1.2 million followers to complain to ESPN. Whether it's a good thing or not, White has a great deal of influence on people. I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if quite a few of his followers actually took his advice and sent in some form of complaint. I'm not sure what could have been going through his head when he tweeted this. Does he not want them to cover the UFC? How dare they report news, either. That's just unacceptable. While I think the spoiler thing is nice if fans get consideration, it shouldn't be a be all end all kind of thing. Fans know when events are. If they want to see them when they air live, there are plenty of ways of doing so. Maybe White needs to get with Spike about airing the fights live, when they actually happen. That would solve this whole mess.     

We had a vigorous internal debate here at Bloody Elbow about how to handle our coverage of UFC 120. We elected to go with live coverage but with the results hidden after the jump and then did a second discussion thread for the Spike TV broadcast. 

I think it was a passable compromise, but I don't think we'll do it again. The UFC and Spike TV are fighting an uphill battle against reality here. The event was broadcast live in Europe and Canada. We live in an era of international and instant media coverage. 

On the one hand, Dana White wants MMA to be treated as a major sport that is covered as a major sport by the media. On the other hand, when the media does what they do -- report the news as it happens -- Dana flies off the handle and sics his twitter followers on ESPN.

Dana White wants the exposure and money of being a big time sport, but he wants to control the flow of information like it's a small cottage industry. It will be amusing to see if Dana attempts to ban ESPN from UFC events the way he once banned Sherdog.

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Come on, now. Dana was saying a) it wasn’t his fault and b) I’m not thrilled about it either.

Part of me thinks Dana did it just to watch the MMA media shit its pants in anger and disbelief.

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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 17, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know, but sending the teeming masses after ESPN is just odd.

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by Scott C. Broussard on Oct 17, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

he didn’t send out an order for fans to attack. He just said, “maybe you should talk to ESPN. I have nothing to do with it.”

I think you guys are making too much out of this. It is a Kid Nate article that involves Dana White so i’m not shocked.

by Lil_Machete on Oct 17, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Hey Dana and Spike, I’ve got a novel idea. Air the fucking fights live.

First, you bitch and moan because nobody recognizes MMA as a legit sport on the main stream news outlets. Now that they do you bitch because they have the audacity to put fight results live on teh sports ticker like other real sports. Fuck. Make up your mind. You don’t run the world.

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by keyboardwarrior on Oct 18, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dana is so transparent

He cares about Spike TV ratings, period.

by nbs on Oct 17, 2010 12:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed.

He was just passing the buck, not putting ESPN on blast.

by Steve4192 on Oct 17, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly. I don't know why people are getting so worked up for. Chill.

ESPN ruined the fights for a lot of people who were just killing time before the fights by watching College football. My brother was one of them and he was pissed.

Dana just directed them to ESPN. He didn’t say “get them for what they did”

by Lil_Machete on Oct 17, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

He should've stopped at "don't blame me".

I don’t think he meant to set off a shitstorm at ESPN, but he should know that people are idiots.

by M.Sphinx on Oct 17, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL man. Replace “passionate” with “retarded” and replace “product” with “clownshow” and your post is spot on.

Seriously though, DW is a territorial babboon and UFC fans are all drooling retards.,

by penxv on Oct 18, 2010 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

orrrr….. he could just fucking air it live. and maybe that might actually lead toward getting his promotion actuaslly shown on ESPN, which would be the golden ticket to legitimacy. i cant believe they aren’t groveling to be covered by ESPN. that should be the only goal. Get off Spike and onto ESPN. this is so stupid. just air it live.

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by eastcoastatlas on Oct 17, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

probably came down to ad money

there’s probably more money to be made on advertising at 8 PM than there is at 12 PM or whatever the time difference was.

by Lil_Machete on Oct 17, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

of course. i get the whole profitabilty argument. but nobody will ever get me to accept that any sporting ever should be tape delayed.

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by eastcoastatlas on Oct 17, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, i do. but it it isn’t a TV network or a fight promotion and my consumer base is much more specific, and my product isn’t an entertainment product that loses value for certain consumers when delayed. I thoroughly understand the concept of making money for a business, but sports should be live. my business doesn’t have to worry about that so much.

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by eastcoastatlas on Oct 17, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t call that flying off the handle.

by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Oct 17, 2010 12:08 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Oh Dana

ESPN does this all the time. During the 08 Olympics they published the results of the events 8 hours before we could watch.

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by 49er16 on Oct 17, 2010 12:09 PM EDT reply actions  

As I said to Gross yesterday

I get his frustration because spoilers can cause people to not tune in to a card. Even though this isn’t a PPV, the ratings/eyeballs when it airs live in the US matter to the UFC’s moneyline. A primetime airing of the event will obviously cause a greater chance of catching said eyeballs, especially when competing with college football.

On the other hand, this is entirely a UFC/Spike tv issue and not an ESPN fuck up. They could air it twice as they have done in the past (both on SPIKE and PPV) so that fans who want to watch it live can, and people who want to have a “UFC Party” can watch it at night.

Similar problems happened yesterday with the sidebar on this same site during the delayed broadcast. The fanhouse portion spoiled the main event and readers who showed up for the SPIKE discussion were upset about it.

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by Matthew Roth on Oct 17, 2010 12:11 PM EDT reply actions  

You’re right, it was the Fanhouse section… I felt bad for those 8pm-ers last night… Especially that guy who announced the knockout, I wanted to kick him but I didn’t want to lend credence to his claim!

by verloc on Oct 17, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

That dude was awesome because a couple of us said something to him

and instead of getting the hint, he repeats himself and posts the gif.

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by Matthew Roth on Oct 17, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

HE POSTED THE GIF?

Holy man… what a jerk. Somebody who gets off on ruining other people’s pleasure.

by verloc on Oct 17, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

also I was surprised they aired Kongo/Browne over McSweeny/Morrengo which ended in TKO and was supposedly a fun fight to watch.

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by Matthew Roth on Oct 17, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I agree

When they showed Kongo’s draw instead of Patrick I was kinda pissed… Patrick impressed me a lot last night; sure his fight was more control than action, but I enjoyed it. To replace it with a ball-crushing short-grabbing draw?

All the undercard fights are on ufc.com now, so you should check em out if you haven’t already. mcSweeny looks DIFFERENT at lhw.

by verloc on Oct 17, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

free on ufc.com or vault 1.99 kinda deal?

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by Matthew Roth on Oct 17, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

free. go to videos and recent or something like that. nice quality too.

by verloc on Oct 17, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rad thanks

i wanted to check out the McSweeny fight and that long neck brazilian getting choked.

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by Matthew Roth on Oct 17, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

McSweeny/Maldonado is a solid fight

really surprised they didn’t air it.

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by Matthew Roth on Oct 17, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I kinda feel like they felt they had to show the Kongo fight, just cause he’s a bit of a name. I agree, it’s an interesting decision.

by verloc on Oct 17, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think as an announced tv fight, they had to show Kongo’s short gripping meltdown.

by BJJDenver on Oct 17, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Now they can point to that as a reason to fire him (maybe now, maybe after his next loss)

by verloc on Oct 17, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope the UFC cuts Kongo

I’m sick of his fights and he’s very dirty. The fact that he had trouble with Browne is troubling.

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by SSreporters on Oct 17, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's surprising because they've done it before

Hyped up Machida and then pulled his fight at UFC 70 because it was so boring. They could have done the same with Arlovski/Werdum but kept it because of Arlovski’s name value.

But Arlovski’s name at the time was much greater than Kongo’s yesterday.

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by Matthew Roth on Oct 17, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well it was also the co-main

Was Machida/Heath the one where he just kneed the crap out of Heath about 7 times?

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by SSreporters on Oct 17, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep...but it as essentially a point fighting karate match with knees.

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by Matthew Roth on Oct 17, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

70 was a pretty crappy show

Outside of the main event.

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by SSreporters on Oct 17, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Broughton/Quieroz was just as fun

Crazy neither made the broadcast. Thats not like the UFC to pass up the chance to air an exciting fight with a prospect.

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by Matthew Roth on Oct 17, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm yet to watch any of the rest, football has taken over...

But I’ll check that one out first for sure then…

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by zakkree on Oct 17, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Queiroz/Broughton was kind of entertaining. They both looked like cartoon characters.

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by dancingChicken on Oct 17, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kongo v Browne was a scheduled main card right?

by BJJDenver on Oct 17, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes...

The maincard when it aired live was

Wilks/Patrick opening bout (control, kinda boring)
Kongo/Browne
Hathaway/Pyle
Condit/Hardy
Bisping/Akiyama
Sassangle

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by Matthew Roth on Oct 17, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

They were savvy with their bout choice, no question. Plus another fight helped a bit.

by verloc on Oct 17, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m sure many whatever network that is covering the Olympics wishes they would hold off on a results till it is aired in the US. Watching ESPNews I would already know that Michael Phelps broke the record, the US basketball team won, etc. There is a ton more money and influence involved with something like the Olympics, a UFC slight step up from a Fight Night card isn’t going to get any traction on the issue whatsoever. But, like someone else said, at least Dana let ESPN know how quickly he can fill their accounts with complaints when he wants to. You just have to use that weapon sparingly or ESPN will simply not cover the sport at all.

by memitim on Oct 17, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, I don’t blame ESPN for doing what ESPN is in the business of doing. I didn’t see the ticker though, what show was it shown on? I can see fans being very upset if they tuned in to watch football or something and got it ruined for them.

What really pisses me off is when people on Twitter spoil it. Having to avoid it all day and not be able to talk to fiends is frustrating all because some people don’t have the common courtesy to think not everyone watched it over some crappy illegal feed and prefers to watch it in HD on their tv.

by Roll for Life on Oct 18, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually liked your results-after-the-jump system yesterday

But what failed on BE was the SBNation link on the right side. This leads me to agree that, while yesterday’s system was very good, the interconnectedness of the web makes it really tough to miss news like that without completely avoiding all sports outlets. I don’t think you can even visit these sites without expecting to be spoiled.

I mean spoilers are hard… there were some last night during the 8pm thread (one guy announced flat out that Condit knocked out Hardy. jackass.) and some more oblique spoilers, but some guys like MostDiabolicalHater seemed to have completely avoided any spoilers. So it’s up to the individual to know what to do, not the sports outlet to decide what the readers want to know.

by verloc on Oct 17, 2010 12:11 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I apologize if people viewed me saying the replacement of Patrick/Wilks with Diabate/Gustafson was a spoiler

I didn’t think saying “It says a lot that they pulled that fight” was viewed as a spoiler.

Again, I apologize.

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by Matthew Roth on Oct 17, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude whatever, spoilers are fucking tough… it’s like if you know, you can’t say ANYTHING. it’s rough.

by verloc on Oct 17, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I once mentioned that there was a KO on the undercard, and the powers-that-be fussed a bit. No warning, just a “keep it to yourself.”

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by Scott C. Broussard on Oct 17, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean, I hate being spoiled so I understand, but the people that can’t be warned are the real offenders. I mean, warning that guy last night who spoiled the Hardy-Condit fight would have been a disaster. Little things like ‘the fight was boring’ or ‘there was a KO’ is not the real problem.

by verloc on Oct 17, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was my mindset but I understand Haber's thought process as well

I said that Patrick/Wilks was boring which I why it was bumped from the broadcast. I didn’t view it as a spoiler since if they pulled if from the broadcast at it’s original spot, my gut told me they wouldn’t air it at all. But, I could have been wrong and it could have been aired.

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by Matthew Roth on Oct 17, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can't hate on Haber

he’s just doing his job, but his job is impossible. I mean, if somebody wanted to spoil all the fights last night in one post on the 8pm thread he could have done so. Enough people would have seen it before it got removed to be a huge spoiler. I think this is why BE is making the decision to just go live with it and forget the tape delay crap.

I agree with BJJDenver below though; I think the after the jump results could be something that we keep. I guess the question then is how long do we abstain from major stories on the front page about the fights… I dunno, I think just going live might be the best solution.

by verloc on Oct 17, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Live all the way for all events

I mean it’s real simple, if you can’t for whatever reason watch a fight live and don’t want the results spoiled before you do watch it, don’t visit websites that usually feature front page MMA news.

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by Worldisart on Oct 17, 2010 12:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I agree. It’s easy enough to avoid MMA sites if you don’t want it spoiled and they can go live if that is their choice.

It’s more tricky when it’s a mixed medium like Twitter. My main use of Twitter isn’t MMA related and yet I have to avoid it all day to not risk people spoiling. The alternative is to unfollow everyone MMA related till Is ee the fights then follow them again which is silly.

by Roll for Life on Oct 18, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have to side with D White here...

I don’t think he was bashing the media or ESPN as much as he was just trying to re-direct BS complaints from fans. Kind of like, I didn’t publish anything Sportscenter did. And not complaining that they did as much as just saying, don’t bother me dumbasses, go bother ESPN.

Did it come off correct? No, especially to those in the media who have had to knuckle under to King Dana, but in this instance, I think White is getting a bum rap.

by stainlesssteel on Oct 17, 2010 12:14 PM EDT reply actions  

So people were complaining to him that ESPN spoiled the fights and he recommended rather than complain to him, they should complain to ESPN? OUTRAGEOUS!

Getting bent out of shape over a fight promoter lying is like getting upset that a hooker won't kiss you. It betrays a deep lack of understanding of the nature of the profession.

by Stanlee on Oct 17, 2010 12:14 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Seriously...what the hell was he thinking?

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by zakkree on Oct 17, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don’t find what he said to be that big of a deal, but it also wasn’t very professional. Then again, that’s not what i expect from Dana White.

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by zakkree on Oct 17, 2010 12:16 PM EDT reply actions  

We elected to go with live coverage but with the results hidden after the jump and then did a second discussion thread for the Spike TV broadcast.

This is how it should always be. I know you want traffic, but there is no need to publish the result in plain sight. just have a headline that says Bisping vs Akiyama play by play and result, then have it after the jump.

I know I bitch about this a lot, but it is the world we live in, where people often DVR and so on.

by BJJDenver on Oct 17, 2010 12:16 PM EDT reply actions  

AND

THANK YOU!

I appreciated the fact that I could visit BE yesterday and not have to worry about ruining my life…well my Saturday…ok, my Saturday between 830 and 10 mst.

by BJJDenver on Oct 17, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also

Can you guys call my idiot friends and ask them not to text everyone the result of each fight, lol!

by BJJDenver on Oct 17, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

ESPN is a major TV Partner for the UFC

Why is Dana bitching about a company that just handed him $15,000,000 for the UK market alone?

by MattParker117 on Oct 17, 2010 12:18 PM EDT reply actions  

No Dana, you should stop this tape-delay bullcrap

That plagues every single Spike show for at least some part of the country. If you can do it for the prelims why not your other shows? Oh that’s right, Spike’s gotta plug Blue Mountain State and TUF, do they not?

But yes I’m so pissed at ESPN for showing the results.

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by SSreporters on Oct 17, 2010 12:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Did anyone else watch BMS after?

Least funny “edgy cable show” I have ever seen. AND here are my rankings:

1-The League
2-Eastbound and Down
3-Always Sunny

by BJJDenver on Oct 17, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whoo, that's a relief.

Sunny and Eastbound are kinda slacking lately though… Sadly.
The Increasingly Poor Decisions of Todd Margaret FTW!

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by zakkree on Oct 17, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I like Cross, just not quite sold on the show yet, although it seems to be picking up steam.

The League is crushing it!

Eand D is good, but Sunny is in a slump. I hope it isn’t played out. Need more Charlie and Frank.

by BJJDenver on Oct 17, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

The League is murdering it

By far the best show on TV at this point. South Park has also been fantastic.

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by Matthew Roth on Oct 17, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

SP is pretty steady, last week was pretty good. That new Nick Swardson show was pretty weak, imo.

by BJJDenver on Oct 17, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I watched about 30 seconds of that show and wanted to punch a hole through my television.
And I hope South Park never dies out.

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by zakkree on Oct 17, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a league lover

Besides Raphi and the Nagiti, the league has been so so this season. Controversial opinion I know. Sunny on the other hand, has blown up after a slow start. Best fucking show. And Eastbound and Down obviously.

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by Neil Manich on Oct 17, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't believe I never gave The League a chance during its first season...

What I’ve seen of it this season, it’s hilarious…

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by zakkree on Oct 17, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, get the 1st season if you can, pure awesomeness!

Hope they bring Rafi back this season.

by BJJDenver on Oct 17, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I seriously hope this isn't your "least funny list"

Cause then I’m not talking to you ever again.

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by Matthew Roth on Oct 17, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

^^^^

Sorry, I’m an idiot this morning. Those are the best imo.

by BJJDenver on Oct 17, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was out during the late afternoon/early evening but made it home at 7:48 to watch the show…I turned on espn to watch the Huskies before the show started and as my eyes scrolled down to see the score of the game at the bottom I see “Michael Bisping def Yoshihiro Akiyama by…” below it

ugh

by ColtJouvet on Oct 17, 2010 12:24 PM EDT reply actions  

The thing that bothers me with ESPN...

Is they dont show the results of EVERY UFC fight card… They only show results to major PPVs and when Spike tape delays shows… They NEVER EVER show results of UFN or VERSUS fights on their main page or bottom line… I have been screwed by ESPN showing the results in the past so i made sure I avoided the site yesterday… As i was watching the game on ESPN last night I saw they had MMA listed on the bottom line, so i changed the channel knowing they were going to show the results. I do feel that ESPN does kinda go out of their way to screw us with the results being posted plain as day on their site…
As far as Dana asking ppl to bitch to ESPN I agree bc he was likely hearing it from the Fans but he can do nothing about it EXCEPT tell them to bitch to ESPN…

by Fokman on Oct 17, 2010 12:30 PM EDT reply actions  

There fucking journalists it’s there job.

by MattParker117 on Oct 17, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

They need to rename these Europe events because Travis Browne shouldn't be on a numbered show

Call if UFC International or UFC Fight Night Special. Something.

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by SSreporters on Oct 17, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

They do it for every numbered card. This was a numbered card.

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by Neil Manich on Oct 17, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

no. i specifically remember both UFC on Vs events results being scrolled on ESPN bottom line when they happened. you are wrong.

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by eastcoastatlas on Oct 17, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not cool, Dana

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by donkeypunch on Oct 17, 2010 12:32 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

ESPN isn’t going to stop.

They put the results to the World Series of Poker final table on their website and bottom line as they happen. And that is something that they air and completely changed the schedule of in order to make the final table TV show on a shorter tape delay than in the past (about 1 day instead of a few months) in order to have more suspense in the TV.

If they are going to post results to things that they air on tape delay, they definitely aren’t going to hold back news on something another network airs on tape delay.

by Phildo on Oct 17, 2010 12:34 PM EDT reply actions  

damn

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stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.

by Orcus on Oct 17, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

remember a couple of years ago when they tried to get poker in the olympics?

I would love to see those guys pass olympic drug testing.

by BJJDenver on Oct 17, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

LMFAO

this is news to me, Poker in the olympics, what’s next? chess?

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by Orcus on Oct 17, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes

I am being serious about this. It was ridiculous.

by BJJDenver on Oct 17, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only reason chess isn't already an Olympic sport

Is that Americans suck at chess and were scared of being defeated by the Russians..

by Chris P. Bacon on Oct 18, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let’s not into that right now, but the same theory applies.

That poker tournament used to last 10 days in July, now they play down to 9 people, those 9 people go home, ESPN starts showing the first parts of the tournament 1 or 2 hours a week, and when they air all the episodes they have, those 9 people go back to vegas, finish the tournament from Saturday to Tuesday morning, and it airs Tuesday night.

If they “spoil” something that they air and they completely changed the schedule of to create less spoilers, they are definitely going to spoil something simple that airs on another network.

by Phildo on Oct 17, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's the only sport my daughter will watch on ESPN

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by duck on Oct 17, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is silly and juvenile

But its just twitter. The intern Dana has tweet for him momentarily annoyed the official at ESPN that runs twitter. Lame but its not a big deal.

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by Neil Manich on Oct 17, 2010 12:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Twitter is silly and juvenile, but that is a discussion for another day.

by memitim on Oct 17, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

ESPN always does this with overseas shows

They and other media outlets are going to report on events as soon as they’re completed. That’s just something people are going to have to deal with.

And I highly doubt Dana would be upset with ESPN coverage of anything Zuffa does, even if upsets people for getting “spoiled.”

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by Tonley on Oct 17, 2010 12:35 PM EDT reply actions  

The funny thing is I avoided spoilers for 105

Outside of Couture/Vera even watching ESPN.

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by SSreporters on Oct 17, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even with that said about espn, I don’t think it’s as cut and dry with BE. BE and the live blogs/commenting section are an important part of the site, so I usually appreciate (and would have yesterday if I was home) having a spoiler free place to discuss the event as I am able to see it. Everyone should be smart enough to stay off the internet if they miss something or if something is on tape delay, but I hope BE we at least keep a spoiler free “live” blog for tape delayed events, it makes watching the fights more interesting.

by Phildo on Oct 17, 2010 12:37 PM EDT reply actions  

As mad as I am that I was spoiled

ESPN is now showing results for UFC over boxing (or at least before boxing), which is very telling.

Michael Robinson leads the Seahawks in completion percentage, yards-per-attempt, and QB rating.

by SSreporters on Oct 17, 2010 12:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Yep

and am I the only one that didn’t even know Klitschko was fighting yesterday?

I know I’m not the only one that didn’t care, lol.

by BJJDenver on Oct 17, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

He did? Lmao.

I’ve never seen him fight, and have been telling myself I need to the next time he does… I won’t shed too many tears though.

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by zakkree on Oct 17, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Supposedly it was an ugly fight that should have been stopped in the 10th.

Iole was going off on twitter yesterday about the ref.

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by Matthew Roth on Oct 17, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was Vitali right?

by BJJDenver on Oct 17, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes.

Michael Robinson leads the Seahawks in completion percentage, yards-per-attempt, and QB rating.

by SSreporters on Oct 17, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

And

as someone who grew up watching boxing, it amazes me that HW title fights are not getting coverage in the USA.

by BJJDenver on Oct 17, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because the HW division is terrible.

Michael Robinson leads the Seahawks in completion percentage, yards-per-attempt, and QB rating.

by SSreporters on Oct 17, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

There aren't any American HWs besides Sam Peter and he's not good

I can’t remember the last time a marketable HW fight took place in the United States.

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by Matthew Roth on Oct 17, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sam Peter is Nigerian

Michael Robinson leads the Seahawks in completion percentage, yards-per-attempt, and QB rating.

by SSreporters on Oct 17, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

My bad

Then yes…there are zero American HWs

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by Matthew Roth on Oct 17, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chris Arreola is our "top hw"

And he’s got virtually no skills.

Michael Robinson leads the Seahawks in completion percentage, yards-per-attempt, and QB rating.

by SSreporters on Oct 17, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

James Toney maybe?

American’s aren’t HW fighters anymore. That died when Tyson retired. Last marketable American HW. I mean unless you count Roy Jones Jr. winning a HW belt.

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by Matthew Roth on Oct 17, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fefinitely not James Toney

He’s barely top 30 in the world, if he’s lucky.

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by Drunken cutman on Oct 17, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

it was pretty entertaining for a HW fight

until around the 9th, where it became pointless and eventually dangerous for Briggs to be in there. Vitali was spry and throwing/landing a lot of punches

by ColtJouvet on Oct 17, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

CompuBox numbers

Vitali landed 171/320 power punches, 53%

damn.

by ColtJouvet on Oct 17, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

an ugly ugly fight...the ref and Briggs' corner should catch hell for it.

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by Matthew Roth on Oct 17, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

yap, vitali almost killed briggs..

arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics... even if you win, you're still retarded!

by tshabalala on Oct 18, 2010 6:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

this is stupid

If you don’t want to get spoilers don’t come to an mma site. Distance yourself from sports outlets. It doesn’t take a brain surgeon to figure out you don’t go “looking” for results if you really don’t want to know. Espn has shown the scrolling bar at the bottom for results before. Why would they not yesterday? Plus doesn’t the thing come up and say ufc or mma before the results? Change the channel!

by ronrod on Oct 17, 2010 12:53 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

No it just said "results".

Michael Robinson leads the Seahawks in completion percentage, yards-per-attempt, and QB rating.

by SSreporters on Oct 17, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve got no problem with this, heck I don’t understand why anyone does? Dana passed the buck for spoiling the show to the people who spoiled the show. ESPN only cares about ratings and if enough people message them saying they were unhappy with this then it will show ESPN that there are plenty of UFC fans watching their broadcast for them to market to. They aren’t going to get pissy and childish and pull UFC coverage from their sports ticker unless only a handful of people actually complain and they assume no one watching cares about the UFC. Numbers of people contacting them about MMA just shows them there is a market, the rest of this is meaningless.

by who me on Oct 17, 2010 12:56 PM EDT reply actions  

avoiding all media, all forms of communication

all friends, all family to avoid spoilers for a taped delayed/dvr’d/vhs event is a time honored tradition

by ecost on Oct 17, 2010 1:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Dana should probably listen to the complaints and get his shoows live for us instead of being a dick.?

by hexbreaker on Oct 17, 2010 1:05 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

heresy!

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by Nate Wilcox on Oct 17, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the played it perfectly

You could easily find the results if you wanted them, but if you didn’t, you could experience it “live” in the US (at least the Eastern half).

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by duck on Oct 17, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

You call that flying off the handle?

No one was called a cunt, no one was banned from the UFC. The comment might have been unnecessary but it certainly wasn’t flying off the handle.

by simpsycho on Oct 17, 2010 1:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Just a thought...

And I made sure to avoid going to BE yesterday for this very reason so if a similar method was employed, forgive me if it sounds redundant. Have the live play-by-play results up but hide the write-up on the main page. Also, don’t post individual fight result articles until after it’s been shown on spike. Bing, bang, boom, you have readers that can read the play-by-play if they want to and those that haven’t seen it yet or don’t want to see it yet can wait till after the show to go to the site and immediately see something like “CARLOS CONDIT KTFO DAN HARDY!!!”

by dreamers_12345 on Oct 17, 2010 2:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Do it live!

Waiting around 3 hours in todays media world is nuts.

Just watch it when its live and be done with it.

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by VelociAldo on Oct 17, 2010 3:00 PM EDT reply actions  

fuck dana. if you air it live, it can’t be spoiled. shut it, Dana. money-grabbin POS. just air it live

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by eastcoastatlas on Oct 17, 2010 3:19 PM EDT reply actions  

I think he got bombarded by complaint tweets

and reacted. It’s basically a ratings issue for Spike and the UFC and not much can be done about it.

by Revolver on Oct 17, 2010 3:22 PM EDT reply actions  

The Leader of an Organization

Voices the concerns of many of its fans… and of course gets condemned for it.

Baseless anti-Dana whine article.

If all those people really didn’t care if the results were live…they wouldn’t complain. The fact that they did shows that ESPN ticked off a lot of people, and they had every reason to complain.

but of course that would mean looking into WHY those people were angry. That’s too much work when we can BLAME DANA!!!

Seriously…can Dana White do a single thing that SOME writer here wouldn’t bitch about. I sincerely doubt it. White could open up MMA in a whole fresh market and get a paragraph..but if he gave $5 to a homeless guy there’d be 3 front page stories about it.

by Lunatic-Fridge on Oct 17, 2010 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

no. you’re wrong. the only right answer is that there is no reason for it not to be aired live in the U.S.

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by eastcoastatlas on Oct 17, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe

If there had been ANY mention or discussion of WHY this card was (stupidly) not aired Live I might buy that.

But out of the writer and 3 people he quoted, only a 3rd hand " lucid observer" mentioned it at all.

by Lunatic-Fridge on Oct 17, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

They didn’t air it live because the vast majority of casual fans (which is the vast majority of the audience) don’t want to watch MMA early Saturday Afternoon.

by who me on Oct 17, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dana blasts media, Media blasts dana. All seems normal.
Fortunately I was busy yesterday and didn’t sit down in front of the tv or comp until after 7. Personally I would have been pissed if it ticked across the screen while I was watching football or something. It’s one thing if you tune into a sports news show and get recaps of everything, but hard to avoid those tickers everywhere sometimes. They should really give us the option to view it live though.

by JeremyShane on Oct 17, 2010 4:26 PM EDT reply actions  

this is a gigantic overexageration

lets all settle down here

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by milk72 on Oct 17, 2010 4:33 PM EDT reply actions  

I disagree with Dana 1000%. If someone is an MMA fan like I am, I will know the results anyway thanks to the internet and still want to watch on delay.

by thesource on Oct 17, 2010 4:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah but it’s not the same when you know the twist at the end of the movie.

by Lil_Machete on Oct 17, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

What Dana did makes perfect sense to me. When I’m at work and someone comes complaining to me about something I can’t control I send them directly to the person that they got a problem with.

People were complaining to him about ESPN spoiling the results. They should have been complaining to ESPN and that is what he said.

If this was even worthy of being a story it should be about fans overreacting to spoiled results not anything Dana did.

Just BE.

by mattman73 on Oct 17, 2010 5:40 PM EDT reply actions  

I can’t believe it got such a response, it was the silliest over-reaction I have seen to something MMA in months. Talk about making a big stink out of nothing, Dana did nothing wrong and the only affect that this may have is that ESPN could see that a lot of their regular viewers are also UFC viewers who want better coverage of MMA too.

by who me on Oct 17, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

"better"

There isn’t anything “better” than reporting in real time. Holding off on reporting is not “better”. And the CEO of a sports “league” asking moron viewers to send their complaints to the news org (even if it was a half-hearted dismissal ) is ill conceived at best. I can’t believe anyone with even half a mammalian brain thinks ESPN is even a little off.

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by Luke Thomas on Oct 17, 2010 6:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I don't think ESPN or FanHouse are off

I think if you don’t want to see what happened avoid websites. MMA fans want this to be a sport and get mad when it receives normal sports coverage (results aired right after the event).

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by Matthew Roth on Oct 17, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, my issue was never with the reporting of the event it was with the bile and venom addressed towards Dana’s tweet. You think ESPN doesn’t get all sorts of silly complaints from fans all the time? It’s nothing new or special for them nor is it a big deal. If all of Dana’s 1.2 million twitter followers contacted ESPN then the only affect would be that ESPN would see that 1.2 million UFC fans were also watching ESPN that day and realize there were easy fish to hook for them to get some ratings.

by who me on Oct 17, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Dana has nothing to do with what ESPN does or doesn’t do so it told fans to go bug someone else, it’s no big deal on that level. I never said ESPN was wrong either, of course if the event was on a ESPN network (or ABC) you can bet they would or ran some kind of warning blurb in the scroll before they ran the results. ESPN was doing what they do and they probably still don’t think that many of their viewers care about MMA anyway, it’s not their fault either. The idea that there is some kind of feud or blame to be passed along to anyone here is what is silly, it’s a non-story in that regard.

Of course that is irrelevant anyway. Dana just told fans to let ESPN know about it instead of him. ESPN is going to see a bunch of UFC related feedback and take note that UFC fans are also ESPN viewers. They don’t care what the complaint is, they get thousands of complaints a day for all sorts of silly stuff, this isn’t going to harm anything at all. The end reslut is UFC fans letting ESPN know that UFC fans were actually watching ESPN, what bothered them isn’t as relevant as ESPN just finding out that they are paying attention. ESPN isn’t going to pull the reporting of UFC events because people complain they spoiled a tape delayed event they are just going to notice that their coverage got attention and go from there, this isn’t some kind of horrible thing nor is it some kind of media disaster, it isn’t much of anything at all.

For that matter if it was something horrible then all the attention being heaped on it by MMA news sites wouldn’t be helping, it was a small twitter post that has grown into a news event. I just don’t understand all the rage and hostility over this, it’s not a big deal.

by who me on Oct 17, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Typical Kid Nate article involving Dana White. Shocking.

by Jaxxen77 on Oct 17, 2010 8:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice insight! You've really contributed to the conversation.

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by Matthew Roth on Oct 17, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

They should just come with a “Fuck Kid Nate” and get banned already since they hate BE so much.

I'm a lover not a fighter

by spectaa on Oct 17, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Especially since Nate isn't really saying anything but

It’ll be interesting if the UFC tries to pull ESPN’s credentials for this.

This isn’t a hit piece at all besides maaaaybe the title.

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by Matthew Roth on Oct 17, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is essentially what you are telling me about yourself.

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by Matthew Roth on Oct 17, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dana mentioning a media outlet

makes for an instant overreaction almost every time.

"In this fight, Anderson showed he was human," Nogueira said. "He showed he could be weak. But he showed he is a fighter and he brings something from his heart. It was beautiful."

by Broke Lesnar on Oct 17, 2010 9:44 PM EDT reply actions  

why didn't Dana sic us on Spike...

for airing EA MMA? I thought he might have a shit fit over that one.

Who's the only one here who knows illegal ninja moves from the government?

by tigerlee on Oct 18, 2010 1:11 PM EDT reply actions  

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