Shane Carwin vs. Roy Nelson Set for UFC 125
by Nick Thomas on Oct 14, 2010 10:51 AM EDT
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According to MMA Junkie:
The event was formally announced during today's new "UFC Ultimate Insider" episode.
Top-ranked heavyweights Shane Carwin and Roy Nelson will meet in the co-main event of the New Year's Day show.
Shane Carwin (12-1)
Loss Brock Lesnar - Submission (Arm-Triangle Choke) UFC 116
Win Frank Mir - KO (Punches) UFC 111
Win Gabriel Gonzaga - TKO (Punches) UFC 96
Roy Nelson (15-5)
Loss Junior dos Santos - Decision (Unanimous) UFC 117
Win Stefan Struve - TKO (Punches) UFC FN 21
Win Brendan Schaub - KO (Punch) TUF 10 Finale
Jan 1st, live on Pay-per-view from Las Vegas, Nevada:
- Frankie Edgar +125 vs. Gray Maynard -155 [LW title]
- Shane Carwin vs. Roy Nelson
- Clay Guida vs Takanori Gomi
- Chris Leben vs. Brian Stann
- Thiago Silva vs. Brandon Vera
- Nate Diaz vs. Dong Hyun Kim
- Phil Baroni vs. Brad Tavares
- Antonio McKee vs. Jacob Volkmann
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I wonder if this is a Fitch Fight?
Winner gets a title shot…or do they???
of course, if so, i would expect it after JDS.
Yeah they'd be on the shelf for awhile
Still if Carwin wins they may want him to cool his heels and wait his turn for a title shot.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Oct 14, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I say
Winner of this fight gets the loser of Brock/ Cain.
To be honest though, stylistically, this fight is Carwin’s to lose. Roy has good boxing, but nowhere near the power Shane has; every second he stands there trading is a craps shoot.
Roy’s good in the clinch, but nowhere near as strong, and we’ve seen how destructive Shane can be with dirty boxing in the clinch. He literally just brings up his fist, bounces up on his toes, and scrambles brain cells.
Finally, Roy’s good on the ground, but he’s really only dangerous from the top, and he’s not gonna be able to take Carwin down. I also doubt he’ll be able to sweep him, and you DON’T want Shane on top of you.
All in all, Big Country’s only real hope is to try and survive, stall, make Carwin chase him until he (hopefully) gasses. Maybe try and play a counterstriking game. Threaten with the takedown just to give Shane something to think about. As long as Shane doesn’t lay a giant egg punch himself out, it’s his fight to lose.
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by ElliotMatheny on Oct 14, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
That could have Roy getting a title shot ahead of JDS
Who soundly beat him. JDS is next in line, and given his style I don’t think Dana will screw him out of his shot.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Oct 14, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it also depends on the outcome of the title fight.
If Cain wins, I could see them jumping ahead with Carwin/Lesnar II.
Anyone remember the skit on SNL with Patrick Swayze and Chris Farley trying out to be chippendale dancers? This matchup kinda reminds me of that. Looks wise, Nelson should be burger king taste tester, but hes an AMAZING dancer…i mean fighter.
by liveordiemanhonk on Oct 14, 2010 10:55 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
What has a face, but no head and has hands, but no arms?
If you can answer this you can be the new LSU football coach.
by DayGeaux on Oct 14, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Probably my favorite SNL skit of all time.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 14, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Good fight to sign
Both are at the same place career wise.
Major title implications for the winner.
by Lunatic-Fridge on Oct 14, 2010 10:58 AM EDT reply actions
Damn
Frankie Edgar has to be the first champ to be an underdog in 3 straight fights.
"Wait why didn't I kill that motherfvker"
by Ze Pequeno on Oct 14, 2010 10:59 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Carwin wins by murder….
This fight will test his “cardio” though when he doesn’t KO Roy with the first onslaught.
It’s almost funny when one looks at the two competitors and realizes Nelson has thus far exhibited greater cardio than Carwin.
Nelson doesnt have a less efficient (possibly artificially enlarged) heart.
Nelson is an old skool badass.
Nelson is one of my very favorites since the A.A fight. He impressed me in defeat.
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
by the-gentle-way on Oct 14, 2010 12:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I want to say
Nelson outlasts Carwin’s cardio and grinds out a decision or maybe even a 2nd/3rd round stoppage.
Then again, Carwin might just knock him out in the first minute.
Roy by TKO, 2nd Round. Yuck.
CAGO WHY SOGS CAGO WHY SOGSSSS
After seeing the shots that Nelson shrugged off in the JDS fight
I don’t think he’ll wilt under Shane’s initial barrage. In fact, I think Nelson is a much better stand-up fighter than Carwin in every area except power, which, obviously, is a pretty important area.
Unless Carwin completely craps out again, I’ll say Carwin TKO Rd. 2.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Oct 14, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Roy got dominated early on, but
He impressed the hell out of me with his chin and his heart.
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by The American Ronin on Oct 14, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
don't like it
would rather see nelson fight mir.
frankly i see carwin destroying nelson in the first round. and i like neslon and don’t like carwin. but who knows?
couldn't have said it any better
i’ve been hoping that this fight wouldn’t come to fruition. would much rather see carwin/barry and mir/nelson.
Love me some Roy
And despise me some Carwin, but I see no realistic path to victory for Roy here…
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Oct 14, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I see no realistic path to victory for Roy here
Survive three minutes and then beat the piss out of a totally gassed Carwin.
If Nelson could survive 15 minutes of bombardment from Dos Santos, he can make it three minutes with Carwin. After that initial onslaught is over, the fight is Nelson’s to lose.
Surely even one as seemingly hard headed as Carwin
Learned something from the Lesnar fight and has been training appropriately…then again…it is Shane…
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Oct 14, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think training was his problem.
I’m sure the Jackson/Grudge coaches put him through an appropriate amount of cardio conditioning during his training for the Lesnar fight. Carwin’s problem is that (1) he is probably naturally predisposed for poor cardio and (2) he wigged out when he dropped Lesnar and completely emptied his gas tank flailing wildly rather than taking his time and picking his shots. I’m not sure that those problems can be addressed in the span of one training camp. He might go from pathetic cardio to below-average cardio, but I sincerely doubt his cardio problems will just disappear.
I don't think they will
Disappear, and he won’t turn into Cain overnight, but surely he added much more fight specific cardio training this time around, and perhaps learned his listen about rushing in for the kill.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Oct 14, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I think part of it is a pace thing for Carwin. If he can calm down he may be able to control his cardio a little better.
What has a face, but no head and has hands, but no arms?
If you can answer this you can be the new LSU football coach.
I’ve been saying the same thing about Mark Coleman for a decade.
Unfortunately, it is very difficult to ‘unlearn’ the pace that you have used your entire athletic career. Guys with pacing problems very rarely learn how to ratchet down while in the heat of competition. They almost always lapse into the same bad habits once the adrenaline starts flowing.
Ha! Right!
In carwin’s case though, this is the first time he’s really had an issue with getting ahead of himself iirc.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Oct 14, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s the first time he has had a chance to get ahead of himself.
He’s fought more than three minutes once in his career and gassed horribly in the one fight that he did.
Maybe Roy
Will be the test case, as I don’t see him going down easily.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Oct 14, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
roy rd.1 by LHK CROCOP STYLE!!!!!
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
by the-gentle-way on Oct 14, 2010 11:15 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Things I'm Looking Forward To In This Fight
-How Nelson will handle getting smacked around by Carwins’ flesh-lunchboxes. If Dos Santos give him fits, it might be a very short night for Nelson.
-How Carwin intends to breathe when trapped under the moon belly. This isn’t as likely since Nelson couldn’t takedown Dos Santos and Carwin could defend against Lesnars’ takedowns, but if it does end up there…Carwin stands a good chance of suffocation.
-Dana White bringing up how they hate each other. The hype for this fight is going to include screenshots of twitter, for better or worse.
IIRC, before he came over to the UFC, didn’t Nelson criticize some of the UFC’s heavyweights as just being products of the UFC hype machine? I seem to remember him definitely saying Gonzaga and Vera didn’t deserve the ranking they used to have. I’m not sure if Carwin was one of those he may have called out as well.
To your first point...
While I’d give an edge to Carwin over JDS in pure punching power, I think JDS has better hand speed and significantly better technique. So while it’s reasonable to question whether Nelson can take the same kind of shots he did from JDS from Carwin, it’s also reasonable to question whether Carwin can land with the same frequency and accuracy that JDS did.
by Verklemptomaniac on Oct 14, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Point Taken
But if Nelson comes at Carwin with his hands covering his head like he did with Dos Santos, then he’ll be knocked out before Carwins’ cardio can be a problem.
Nelson is going to have to employ a different method of striking defense here if he wants to win/survive.
Obesity hypoventilation syndrome (also known as Pickwickian syndrome) is a condition in which severely overweight people fail to breathe rapidly enough or deeply enough, resulting in low blood oxygen levels and high blood carbon dioxide (CO2) levels.
I did not know that…and it sounds horrible, like drowning.
Death is the Road to Awe
nice picture.
No scientific proof on any of it.
Or proof that Carwin is shooting up.
"One should always be cold minded and remember that a ridiculous incident may occur any time."
Oh come on
Carwin is your classic juicer. Or was, who knows nowadays. Do you need hard data to know everything? No, because some things are obvious, combined with his involvement with that Dr., and the way he acted about the news, is pretty damning. So maybe I don’t know what the Civil War was, or who invented the helicopter even though I own one, but I did beat The Legend of Zelda before I could walk.
Don't gain the world and lose your soul, wisdom is better than silver or gold.
Yep, had a feeling it would turn out to be Carwin/Nelson...
Just made the most sense. Both are coming off losses, but they’re losses to the current champ and the next contender, so a win here probably keeps the victor in contention, or at least close to it.
BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGGGGGGGG COUNTRYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Take the early storm, lactic acidosis hits Carwin….call it a night baby.
by ultima0chaotic on Oct 14, 2010 11:39 AM EDT reply actions
Indeed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOgCjTXVnWk
"One should always be cold minded and remember that a ridiculous incident may occur any time."
Winner gets title eliminator fight?
No way Carwin gets another shot at the title if he wins. He’ll need at least 1 more after Roy.
If Roy wins, he probably should get another fight as well, and he’ll need one if he doesnt want to wait around until after JDS gets his shot. Roy vs Mir if he beats Carwin would secure his title shot.
I'm with you Big Country!
but remember to bring your AK47 with you when hit the Octagon.
Hopefully, CarWindow will have been scared off the roids by the recent controversy (or by the lactic acidosis during the Les Nar fight) and so will be smaller and a little more manageable, in which case – in a fisitic trade off, Big Country will stand more of a chance (i.e. more than not much)… if he does pull it off though it would have to rank as a major upset…
'if you don't have humility as a fighter, fighting will bring humility to you...'
Roy by backpedaling jabs for one round and Carwin failing to answer the bell for rd 2.
"Now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."
it's going to be interesting to see whether carwin is off roids and thus smaller looking in this fight
Go big red!
What makes you think Carwin was on roids for his last fight?
I’m not going to argue that he likely used them at some point in his career (based on the evidence that he purchased them in 2006), but I don’t see any evidence that points to him using in his last fight. Honestly, Carwin has already shrunk a ton versus the size he was at early in his MMA career (he used to be a 310 pound SHW). IMO, he gave up the ’roids when he decided to move down to HW.
I agree
Don’t like carwin. At all. But he came into the Wellisch fight at 252 IIRC, and has slowly put mass on over the last few years.
Its possible, but I’d say unlikely at this point imo.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Oct 14, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
The UFC is really trying to make it hard for me to not buy this fight
On the bright side, if I turn it off before Maynard-Edgar comes on, that’s a half hour of my night I get back.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
Roy Nelson
Will win this.
How I do not know, but he will.
Then he will eat burger king and carwin will tell us about how he has super lactic acidosis
"Don't be scared homie!" Mayhem Miller
by We All Hate Caleb on Oct 14, 2010 2:31 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Can't help but feel like the UFC is rushing Nelson.
Either way, Nelson via better cardio
Both fighters coming off tough losses
It will be interesting to see how they bounce back. Carwin has to be the heavy favorite here. Nelson doesn’t have the reach to pot-shot, the power to trade, nor the wrestling to force a ground war.
Carwin should be much more confident, so he won’t freak out trying to finish and blow all his cardio.
I consider myself a softcore fan.
And so the slow fade of Carwin begins.
If this is a #1 contender match for the winner of Brocktoberfest and JDS I think we might actually see Dana’s head explode if that turns out to be a rematch of JDS/Nelson.
I think Nelson wins this, which is a good thing for UFC. It brings back relevance to TUF. You have a great Everyman gunning for the title, and that Everyman defeats the inflated, alleged Steroid charlatan with his own chemical enhancements of BK burgers. (do you know what they put in that shit?)
For Carwin, it begins the slow fade as he take over for Gabe Gonzaga as the power gatekeeper.
by memitim on Oct 14, 2010 3:04 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
what are you smoking ??
Carwin will jail rape Roy due to better boxing and way better wrestling
Carwin by KO first round
FEDOR is the best because of the way he wins and the that he is not playing it safe and that is why he is better than Silva or GSP
by couch-fighter on Oct 14, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Theres no way this is a #1 contender match
both of these guys are coming off losses.
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