How Bad Does the UFC Need Bisping or Hardy to Win at UFC 120?
UFC UK President Marshall Zelaznik denies the obvious talking to ESPN UK:
"It would be a disappointment for the likes of Dan and Mike if they lost, but as a company we're constantly looking for the best fighters and the best match-ups," Zelaznik told ESPN.
"So even though it'd be great from a British perspective for their fighters to be truly successful, I think everybody wants to see the best fighters. As a company, we're not looking at UFC 120 and getting disappointed if the British guys lose.
"The British fighters are taking some abuse these days so it's going to be interesting to see how things go in London. For the UK fan, this event is extremely important to see where UK fighters stand against the world's top talent."
411 Mania argues that Zelaznik is whistling past the graveyard:
For the UFC, it's important these two fighters win, and do so in an exciting manner. Zuffa's expansion into Europe hinges upon being able to showcase local fighters the hometown crowds will get behind and pay to watch. The crowds might pay to see guys like Chuck Liddell and Randy Couture, but nothing draws better than the hometown favorites. In the past three and a half years, the UFC has put on 6 cards in Great Britain; UFC 70, UFC 75, UFC 80, UFC 89, UFC 95, and UFC 105. Of all those cards, the only one that didn't feature either Dan Hardy or Michael Bisping was UFC 80, which was headlined by a Lightweight Championship bout between BJ Penn and Joe Stevenson.
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The fact is that using English fighters on these cards makes sense for the UFC. If Michael Bisping and Dan Hardy aren't suitable due to their win/loss records to headline these cards, the UFC finds themselves in a difficult situation. The Ultimate Fighter Season 9 Welterweight winner James Wilks fell to Matt Brown in his second UFC bout, which ruined any luster his name might have had on a marquee. The Ultimate Fighter Season 9 Lightweight winner Ross Pearson enjoyed a nice UFC run of three victories until being stopped by Cole Miller. The only other fighter with the name value to draw both hometown fans and American fans is John Hathaway, but he's not even a co-headliner yet at this point in his young career.
Zelaznik has made no secret of his hopes to radically expand the UFC's UK schedule by adding "4 to 6 UK Fight Nights" to the 2011 calendar. The expected record setting gate and attendance figures for UFC 120 will help him make his case. Here's Zelaznik discussing those goals recently with ESPN UK:
"We've got interest from our British fans, there's interest from broadcasters in England, but the business side needs plenty of pieces to make the puzzle. There are factors outside the UK that we need to help drive it.
"We'll definitely have at least one event in England next year - that's a given. But I'm very, very optimistic, and Dana [White] and Lorenzo [Fertitta] are very focused on trying to make this a reality. With our relationship with TV partners around the world, we're optimistic, but you just have to get things in place before you move forward with it.
Dramatically upping the number of UFC events in the UK isn't the end of Zelaznik's ambitions either, again per ESPN UK:
What would be your dream venue for a UFC event?
"The Coliseum in Rome. That'd be cool. I don't think we could actually use the Coliseum itself, but there's a space adjacent to it where you could build a temporary outdoor arena like we did in Abu Dhabi. That's been mentioned to us as we look into options in Italy, I think that'd be cool."
Zelaznik does not have an easy gig. Not only is he dependent on the continued U.S. success of the UFC and the continued commitment of Zuffa brass to continue investing in European expansion, he's also -- in the short term at least -- at the mercy of the notoriously limited UK fighter pool. Both Michael Bisping and Dan Hardy are skilled fighters and dangerous men, but neither is likely to hold a UFC title anytime soon. The two Brits will certainly have their work cut out for them at UFC 120 against Yoshihiro Akiyama and Carlos Condit respectively.
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Zuffa’s expansion into Europe hinges upon being able to showcase local fighters the hometown crowds will get behind and pay to watch.
It always seems to me like the UK crowd is annoyed they don’t get to see the likes of Brock/GSP/Shogun on their cards. I understand the need to stuff some hometown boys in there but to fill it top to bottom seems a bit much.
The MEN went apeshit for GSP when he stepped into the octagon we don’t care where your from if your good we are happy to see you.
by MattParker117 on Oct 12, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
It always seems to me like the UK crowd is annoyed they don’t get to see the likes of Brock/GSP/Shogun on their cards
I think you are confusing the minuscule subset of UK fans that are part of the online MMA community with the general populace of the UK ticket buying public. Online fans always bitch about stuff that the masses don’t care about. I think the ticket sales for this event is pretty clear evidence that UK fans respond UK fighters headlining their cards.
But you don't think they'd prefer bigger names though?
Do you think that if it was Brock in the main event instead of Bisping they’d somehow be opposed to it?
West coast sucks a dick. 2Pac had nothing on Big and Easy E and Magic Johnson got HIV cause West Coast broads are dirty as hell. I wish I was from New Jersey because the shitty bagels and pizza I have out here are making my butthole bleed.
As a UK MMA fan, I can confirm that your statement is absolutely true
Sure it’s nice to see the UK lads on the big stage but, like everyone else, the guys we really wanna see from the UFC are the ones at the very pinnacle of the sport. Wherever they’re from
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I wonder if they have any thoughts about
going down the ‘regional championships route’ ?
I.e. UK UFC Champion, European UFC Champion etc.
Then they really would be entering Boxing Promotion turf.
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I actually have no problem with regional belts
they’re pretty easy to understand and make logical sense.
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It’d be an essload of expansion and probably something like a Thursday Night MMA for that to work. You’d have to pull a UFC roster in each region which I’m sure can be done. But it’d be hard to follow.
Boxing has a hard time with that. Yea, it’s a fuckload of alphabet belts but it’s still a lotta belts to follow. Keeping it within one brand is a lot easier.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 12, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
this
dont make mma boxing
and more weight classes is also a horrible idea keep it at the current 7 and add flyweight if u want as long as u change its name to strawweight so i can abbreviate it easier
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I think regional belts are cool for regional shows
Cage Rage, which was the biggest promotion over here in the UK for a long time, had a British and World Championship belt in each division and it worked: it was a good, prestigious strap for domestic fighters and enabled them to be showcased effectively. Don’t think major promotions should go down that route though
Travis Lutter is not the Michael Jordan of BJJ
Bisping is my favorite fighter
to watch getting knocked out.
"It can be done, you can just crush somebody"
The same argument can be made for Akiyama and Japan/Korea
Akiyama hasn’t looked dominant in the UFC. The ravishingly good looking judoka edged out Alan Belcher and gassed out and got triangled to Chris Leben. He has to look top notch against Bisping whom I predict will stay on the outside and box him exploiting his cardio.
by Krimson on Oct 12, 2010 3:30 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
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The two Brits will certainly have their work cut out for them at UFC 121 against Yoshihiro Akiyama and Carlos Condit respectively.
Damn, UFC 121 is just the gift that keeps on giving.
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I don't think it is all that important
Mainly because I don’t think those guys profile to be much more than gatekeepers. Bisping can’t get past elite talent and Hardy’s title shot was one of the biggest gift title shots in Zuffa history (right up there with Lesnar, Quarry, and Florian). Those guys are going to lose their fair share of fights going forward, and whether it happens at UFC 120 or not doesn’t really matter.
The guy who Zuffa REALLY needs to win is Jon Hathaway. He is the one British guy in the promotion who has legitimate world class potential.
by Steve4192 on Oct 12, 2010 4:01 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
UFC 121 is Lesnar v. Cain……. I’m assuming Nate meant 120 at the conclusion, not 121
by webe163 on Oct 12, 2010 4:02 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I think if the UFC needed Bisping and Hardy to win, they’d have matched them up with different opponents. Also, as was pointed out, Sexyama is looked at to bring more Asian fans to MMA. I know people are calling bullshit on the quotes about the UFC just putting on good, entertaining fights, but I happen to agree.
by sadface on Oct 12, 2010 4:33 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
It's organic
England really has a decent regional MMA scene going on (I hope Neil Grove comes back and makes me look a little less stupid for liking him as a heavyweight) and I’m quite sure they’d rather be rooting for a Beckham-type persona (ie, not a douche) as opposed to Bisping’s (douche). As a country, they’re evolving very quickly, and I think in a few years it won’t be a given that Brits can’t wrestle (Wolfslair fighters will still, however, carry this cross).
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 12, 2010 4:55 PM EDT reply actions
I can’t speak for the entire camp, but Bisping has improved his wrestling quite a bit. Makes sense as his GNP is actually quite ferocious for a pillow fist standup fighter
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by James Brady on Oct 13, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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by Earl Montclair on Oct 13, 2010 3:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Zelaznik’s right, we do want to see the World’s best. Unfortunately Dan Hardy is the only top 10 fighter on the card.
It doesn’t have to be GSP/Brock/Shogun. Give us some top guys who have some momentum and are on a role. Give us a glimpse of what could be future champions. Don’t give us Bisping who’s 2-2 recently and won’t sniff the title, or Akiyama who’s an under sized middleweight coming off a loss to a journeyman who only fought two weeks prior, as the main event.
Totally splitting hairs here but
Leben’s hardly a journeyman. He’s middle of the road but he hasn’t been outside the UFC/journeyed out of the UFC since the pre-TUF days.
But I agree the UK fans get pretty hosed when it comes to their cards. UFC 95 turned out to be a tun of fun but at the same time the biggest name on it was Diego Sanchez. I think between bigger fighters needing a PPV cut and other big fighters with a sizable salary and then the event is on Spike it gets hard to convince those guys to do it. Then again at the same time the UFC should just drop the hammer on them and say, “Look it, you’re fighting in England/Australia/Germany deal with it.”
Koscheck and Mardquart were also on the card. I though 95 was pretty stacked for a UK card though. The UK does deserbe a title fight or big na$e though. The fans there seem enthusiastic, don’t wanna lose them.
I think UFC 105 was a step in the right direction. Couture isn’t super relevant, but he is a big name. Hell a guy like franklin maybe better used on free UK cards then weak ppv’s
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by sitnam90 on Oct 12, 2010 7:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Zelaznik may be hoping that Bisping and Hardy wins, but the UFC as a whole certainly isn't.
Make no mistake about it, this is a win-win for the UFC.
Win or lose, the brits love Bisping/Hardy, and they will still watch the UFC because their market is set…
Bisping and Hardy winning would be good for the UK, sure… But an akiyama win on the other hand, would do wonders for their planned Asian expansion. And a win by Condit? Well that means we get a new WW contender instead of having to watch another rematch against GSP. I’m sure everyone will agree that we’ve already had too many of those already.
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 12, 2010 8:13 PM EDT via mobile reply actions

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