Fedor Emelianenko Says Fabricio Werdum Is Trying to Avoid Him and Delay the Rematch
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 10, 2010 9:08 AM EDT
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Fedor Emelianenko, who recently turned 34, said that he wants a rematch with Fabricio Werdum, but he thinks that the Brazilian is trying to avoid him and delay the bout as long as possible (via RussianTranslations):
When I left the [Werdum] fight I understood the whole situation and said right away that my opponent will avoid me for as long as possible. When the fight will happen, for now, I don't know. He apparently did an operation on his hand. He will delay the rematch as long as possible.
I understand that we're all people, this is sport, this is life, and I was always prepared for this.
This is where 'The Last Emperor' might be a little uninformed because Werdum has stated numerous times that he's open to the rematch, and is even willing to do it in Russia.
After the jump, Fedor talks about being bothered by how fans obsess too much about his fighting career.
It is very painful and unpleasant for me when people tell me "Fedor, we supported you! We waited up all night, got drunk. When it finally came on we raised our spirits, got drunk some more and cheered and yelled across the neighborhood." ...This is uncomfortable for me to be honest, in these moments, I just want to leave.
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Another matter is if the people who surrounded me and watch my fights were prepared. Because they saw me with a halo. For me it is simply unpleasant, hurtful, and regrettable seeing how people obsess. How... well thinking about my career and that's all. I'm not superman, and I'm not unbeatable. I'm an ordinary human, with my own flaws.
Watch the entire video interview on this post made by BE reader memitim where Fedor talks about various topics such as his recent movie role, and his relationship with his brother, Aleksander.
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I will forever have a warm place in my heart for Werdum
for making all of Fedor’s nonsense irrelevant.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Oct 10, 2010 9:23 AM EDT reply actions 12 recs
Same here
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by II SMASH II on Oct 10, 2010 9:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Bless that man.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 10, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I liked Fedor more when he was the stereotypical stoic Russian who kept his thoughts to himself. All this talk about Werdum and Overeem ducking him makes him seem petty and frankly, rather obtuse.
Werdum is not ducking him, he is injured. Guys don’t go out and get surgery in order to avoid a fight. I would expect Fedor to understand this, since he has lost a large chunk of his career to hand injuries.
Overeem is not ducking him, he got tired of waiting and went to chase a championship in his primary discipline (kickboxing). I would expect Fedor to understand this, since he has also dedicated a lot of time to pursuing championships in his primary discipline (combat sambo).
Fedor is either being willfully ignorant or he is just not very bright.
by Steve4192 on Oct 10, 2010 9:35 AM EDT reply actions 14 recs
Might just be frustration
More than anything else. Based on the shady way M-1 operates in the public arena, I suspect Fedor is given, at best, very skewed information from them in general, and about potential fights in particular, and he doesn’t strike one as being Carwin-esq in his pursuit of the interwebz.
I have certainly been critical of the guy before for fights seemingly being “ducked,” but it was always 100% about M-1 fearing something happening to their gravy train, never for a second about Fedor actually being unwilling to face someone for fear of defeat.
As for the other, he just sounds like a guy who is genuinely uncomfortable with the collateral damage fame does to one’s private life…as an intensely private person myself, I can certainly respect that.
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-Mark Twain
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-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Oct 10, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Poetic Justice!
Isn’t that the critique Fedor has lived up too? He has ducked the UFC. He has ducked fight the best of the best. I find it poetic. P
If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?
Well his first interview was rumored to be staged
And I think he knows as much as Vadim is telling him.
Food goes in here
Fedor's attitude....
Is the perfect example of the “Soviet Russia” mentality. When he’s on top and undefeated he couldn’t drag his feet enough. Now, that he wants to prove himself, all of a sudden Werdum’s injury is a big fake.
He’s coming across like a very sore loser in this case. He has no one to blame but himself. He could have had a magical career but he allowed himself to be managed by Muppet Babies.
See I don’t understand these kind of comments, “He could have had a magical career” This is exactly what he is talking about, he never once said he was unbeatable, he never once embraced the publics view as him being unbeatable that was all put upon him because he happened to win a shit load of fights and be one of the only people to do this. Now as for your statement I think it is ridiculous. How is being the Top P4P and HW fighter for the past like 6 or 7 years all while holding wins over Big Nog, Cro Cop, Randleman, Babalu, Mark Coleman, Semmy Schilt etc. (practiacally everyone of these fighters were in their prime when he fought them) and only legitamently losing once not a magical career?
Fair enough....
He DID have a magical career, but it left a lot on the table BECAUSE of the people that manage Fedor. I know Fedor didn’t personally embrace the public’s view of him but his management and promoters promoted it that way. That HE was the man and you’d have to to business on HIS terms.
It doesn’t matter what else happens to Fedor, his place him MMA history will have a big ** beside of it because he didn’t put it on the line at the tail end of his prime and join the UFC and fight the big dogs at HW.
by KidThunder on Oct 10, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
This ^^^^
Fedor had a great run through 2005, since then he has fought a very mixed level of competition. Some of that is not his fault, but some of it is.
Great respect top what he accomplished up to 2005. But he has not fought the best since then.
Level of competition matters and his legacy will be tarnished as a result. That’s just the way things work.
Perhaps he would have beat the best the past 5 years, but we’ll never know.
That is really a bit of a skewed look
Sylvia was #5 and Arlovski was #2 when they fought in 2008 and 2009 respectively, and barnett was #2 when they were set to fight in 2009.
At the time Fedor signed with Strikeforce, the UFC HW class was not anything like it is now. Carwin was no more proven than Rogers, and Cain and JDS then were thought of little more than Del Rosario or Cormier are right now.
Back then, nobody seriously thought Big Nog, Mir or Randy were threats to beat Fedor, and Lesnar was what, 2-1 or 3-1?
The difference between the HW classes of Strikeforce and the UFC was no where near as apparent then as it became a 9-12 months later…
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Oct 10, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That’s at the time he signed with strikeforce, the problem with Fedor and M1 is the first time he didn’t sign with the UFC.
All those people left the UFC to go chase Fedor. He can face the same schedule but replace HMC with Randy and Brett Rogers with Brock Lesnar and his strength of schedule improves dramatically.
Wait...what?!? Srsly?!?
Who left the UFC to chase Fedor? Nevermind, no one did, so let’s move on.
At the time Fedor signed with Strikeforce, the UFC guys in the top-10 were Nog (#2), Couture (#3), Werdum (#6) and Gonzaga (#8).
Lesnar was 1-1 having just been submitted by Mir and no where near the top 10.
Cain Velasquez was 4-0 (2-0 in UFC, beating Jake O’Brien 2 weeks prior to Fedor signing with SF).
Shane Carwin was 9-0 (1-0 in the UFC).
JDS was 7-0 but had yet to debut in the UFC.
Bottom line – there was no one to “duck” when Fedor signed with SF. It is easy to take a revisionist view, and the UFC was certainly seen as the better org at the time, even though neither their HW division nor Strikeforce’s was anything special at the time.
Yes, Lesnar was widely seen as a potentially great fighter, but he was also widely derided as a fraud who didn’t belong, particularly after having been tapped by Mir a few months before, and with his next scheduled fight against the fearsome Heath Herring.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Oct 10, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Good memory!
I think people have forgotten about Fedor vs Randy being the big fight that everyone wanted to see.
Guys like Lesner and AO were nowhere in the discussion.
You are right
It is easy to forget how pathetically weak and shallow the HW division was forever until the last couple of years. Guys we now see as dominant, were the not even thought of as the Duffee’s, Del Rosario’s and Cormier’s are of today.
M-1’s foolishness with Fedor’s career has so angered the fans as a whole that they have turned on the man himself.
The funny part is, if anything, I am historically on the side of those opposing Fedor’s deification, but now it has swung way too far to the other side.
Before: “Fedor could beat Lesnar and Carwin…at the same time.”
Now: “Anybody who fights in the UFC could crush Fedor, maybe he should fight Russow next”
Fedor is, at this point, the greatest HW of all time, but I do not consider him the best today until we see him fight more of the top guys.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Oct 10, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
You mean when he signed with Affliction. When he signed with Strikeforce Lesnar, Mir, Couture, Big Nog, and Carwin were all top 10.
by John Nash on Oct 10, 2010 6:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You are correct, Lesnar had just beaten Mir and was now 3-1 overall and a top-5 guy I’m sure.
So when Fedor signed, Strikeforce had 4 top-10 guys (himself, Rogers, Overeem, Arlovski) and the UFC had 5 (Lesnar, Mir, Couture, Nog, Carwin). Never mind that Lesnar at 3-1 had already beaten Mir and Couture, or that Fedor had beaten Nog twice previously, the rankings are what they are.
Bottom line – there is no case to be made that the UFC had the clearly dominant HW class at that point, even though they were the dominant organization.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Oct 10, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Um
Fedor signed with SF in 2009, well after Brock had beaten Randy.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 10, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Can you read?
I’m not complaining about when Fedor signed with STrikeforce, the problem is when he signed with M1. Of the people he has fought since the death of Pride, the only people not signed to the UFC right then were Lindland, Choi, and Rogers. If he would have signed with the UFC then, he could have fought the best fighters he’s fought since then, plus a couple of better ones.
And Sylvia and arlovski left to chase fedor.
Not the sharpest of tools, eh...
If that is how you chose to see it, I’m not sure what to say…
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Oct 11, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
choose how to read what? Someone posted saying that Fedor was great before 2005, I respond talking about a decision he made in 2007, and you keep skipping ahead to 2009. Right, we’re the dense ones.
What I said was
If that is how you chose to see it
If you think Sylvia and Arlovski left the UFC just to “chase Fedor” then I really don’t know how srsly to take the rest of what you say.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Oct 11, 2010 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Arlovski at #2 coming off of a win against Ben Rothwell was lunacy.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 10, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Like Roy Nelson in a crookedly reffed affair and Jake O’Brien?
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 10, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nevertheless, that is where he was ranked
I argue against the idiocy of rankings often enough (Big Nog #9, Rampage #4, Forrest #5, Little Nog #8 and on and on), but they are what they are.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Oct 10, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Arlovski moved to #2 only after beating Nelson. He moved into the top #5 with his earlier win over Rothwell.
by John Nash on Oct 10, 2010 6:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don’t understand how you can say that his legacy will be tarnished…people just like to flip flop when it comes to Fedor. Sylvia was widely considered the person who could beat Fedor due to his takedown defence and ridiculous reach advantage(and despite how much i hate Tim Sylvia, beating Arlovski twice,Monson and Vera while losing to Couture and Big Nog is nothing to just push aside)and then Fedor dominates him and he becomes a can, Arlovski was as stated before the #2 ranked HW at the time he fouhgt Fedor until he lost to Fedor and then he became past his prime, Rogers has HUGE hype going into the Fedor fight and then once again after he was beaten by Fedor he was a fighter who had a padded record from fighting cans. Basically this is the Yankee Complex, people love to hate the guy or team that is the best and never want to give him/them credit regardless of their achievements.
Haha
Rogers was hyped up before the Fedor fight you say? Please.
by Polyhedron on Oct 10, 2010 4:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I said Rogers had huge hype going into the fight, and if you dont agree with that then you are either so blind by your Fedor hate or you lived under a rock during the build up to the fight. He was undefeated and destroyed the guy who gave Fedor the most trouble he had in a while(and since you may have been living in your own world at that time the person was Andrei Arlovski) he had 10 stoppages in 10 fights and only 2 went past the first round.
I could see through that bullshit and look at Rogers' record.
As could most of the posters on this site at the time. Rogers was an unworthy opponent and when the matchup was announced you could almost hear the collective groan across the intertubes. Yeah, he was a little more highly regarded as he is now but still wasn’t thought to be anywhere near Fedor’s level.
Who else was there, tho? Rogers was the highest ranked HW in Strikeforce at the time and was coming off a convincing victory over Arlovski.
Exactly, people complain Fedor fights cans/ducks people but he was a guy with a lot of hype and potential…he had at the time the only thing people thought could beat Fedor which was ridiculous punching power and coming off a domintation of the guy who gave Fedor some trouble…regardless of the actual skill of Rogers the fight made sense to take
Rogers was every bit as hyped then
As Carwin became, or as Cain or JDS are now. Whether their hype proves justified is yet to be determined.
Fedor struggled with Rogers for a bit, which somewhat validated the ranking in many peoples eyes…at least until Overeem ate his soul, then he became derided as a can…
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Oct 10, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Now that Fedor has been beaten and lost his “invinciblity”, this could be an attempt to hype himself and a future fight with AO or Werdum – considering he was never a draw in the states to begin with.
When some wild-eyed, eight-foot-tall maniac grabs your neck, taps the back of your favorite head up against the barroom wall, and he looks you crooked in the eye and he asks you if ya paid your dues, you just stare that big sucker right back in the eye, and you remember what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like that: "Have ya paid your dues, Jack?" "Yessir, the check is in the mail." - Jack Burton
Ironic
Fedor is complaining about Werdum, complaining about the fans stalking him and then calling out to the same fans to help cry out for him to get a rematch. It sucks not being the champ huh?
If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?
Nah
I saw this one
When some wild-eyed, eight-foot-tall maniac grabs your neck, taps the back of your favorite head up against the barroom wall, and he looks you crooked in the eye and he asks you if ya paid your dues, you just stare that big sucker right back in the eye, and you remember what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like that: "Have ya paid your dues, Jack?" "Yessir, the check is in the mail." - Jack Burton
by donkeypunch on Oct 10, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
This might get me banned for fighter bashing, but...
fuck Fedor. For the last several years, nobody has been ducking him because there was no reason to duck him. Every time someone stepped into a ring or cage against Fedor, they were expected to lose.
Two aspects of the Strikeforce-Fedor saga make this a beautiful case of poetic justice, as others have aptly referred to it. First, Fedor never should have fought Werdum. He should have been fighting Overeem for a title, but I suppose his management thought that was too risky. Second, the only sense in which anybody is “ducking” Fedor is that they sign a different fight to get another paycheck while Fedor’s management renegotiates his contract after every fight. He should have won on CBS against Overeem, but instead his management fucked the whole thing up and he instead lost on Showtime.
In the end, I think Fedor will get his wish. He’ll keep fighting in between M-1’s prolonged acts of stupidity, and nobody will give a shit if he wins or loses, much less if he even fights or not.
by mma_critic on Oct 10, 2010 10:33 AM EDT reply actions
I don’t think that is bashing. I think a lot of us are tired of the Fedor/M1 saga. It isn’t that I don’t like Fedor, in fact he is one of my favorites. Rather, I’m just exhausted with the whole thing. I absolutely think M1 is protecting their only real asset and that his options are somewhat limited by who is available to fight. I don’t really consider Fedor to be “ducking” anyone, but I absolutely think his management makes it difficult to match him with anyone. Seems there is always an issue to overcome. The most exciting Fedor news of recent months, was when M1 was rumored to be going under. That sparked a sense of hope in me, lol.
Fedor is talking about Bloodstain Lane
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I hate his face
Literally
When some wild-eyed, eight-foot-tall maniac grabs your neck, taps the back of your favorite head up against the barroom wall, and he looks you crooked in the eye and he asks you if ya paid your dues, you just stare that big sucker right back in the eye, and you remember what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like that: "Have ya paid your dues, Jack?" "Yessir, the check is in the mail." - Jack Burton
by donkeypunch on Oct 10, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
When Fedor starts to calling out people I laugh
by skyhawkmd on Oct 10, 2010 11:01 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 3 recs
I think, like many times in the past, that M-1 are passing these statements or interviews to Russian journalists and make them pass for Fedor comments. It already happened and it will happen again, let’s not get our panties into knots; Fedor has already denied some of those past interviews, I’m pretty sure he’ll also do it for this one.
click the link and watch the VIDEO interview.
thanks.
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 10, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
“I know for a fact that M-1 does most of the talking when Fedor is interviewed in writing so I’m not surprised if M-1 gave this answer.”
Alistair Overeem.
by aTn on Oct 10, 2010 11:20 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Say what you want
But none of this would be an issue if Fedor was in the UFC. Not assigning blame, just saying…
by BJJDenver on Oct 10, 2010 11:24 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Thanks for the link Anton.
It might be Fedor stating his true opinions, but it has happened in the past (like Overeem stated) that Fedor has been fed answers in (or before) interviews in order to support M-1’s plans. Not that surprising given that Fedor is “the face of M-1”.
In Soviet Russia..
You know what, Fedor’s just not worth it anymore.
by Lunatic-Fridge on Oct 10, 2010 11:33 AM EDT reply actions
Another thing
You know, with all of the talk about AO, Fedor, Diaz and others, calling people out, it has made me wonder if it is just a tool to get SF on the ball? I know UFC guys call others out, but rarely is to the extent of what we are seeing with these guys. I’m not making a statement about the UFC, but rather questioning how good of a job SF does in getting fights put together. Are they incompetent? Is it a result of the open contract?
I don’t have the answers, but it is certainly making me question them. Maybe they should just let the fighters do the matchmaking, lol?
I think it’s a tool used by fighters to get booked. Fighters in the UFC know for the most part that they’re booked a couple of months in advance and that they’re usually playing a supporting role on a card. The UFC brand sells good enough that a fighter on the undercard doesn’t need to make too big of pitch why his fight will sell.
In Strikeforce there is a limited amount of card space, so fighters are trying to build up some sort of heat for a potential match. It makes it that much easier for Strikeforce to book it: people are talking about the fight already; people seem intrigued by the fight; we should take advantage of the interest and book the fight.
by John Nash on Oct 10, 2010 11:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That’s basically what I’m saying. However, I don’t fully agree with the limited amount of card space theory. yes it is limited, but so is their roster, so it shouldn’t be that hard to get on a card. Additionally, these are not fringe guys, these are their top fighters. Who ever heard of a promotions top fighter having to lobby to get on a card? If anything, they are usually trying to get a few months off, because they are called on so much.
My big point is, why isn’t SF following a model like the industry leader? I think I have just lost confidence in SF to be competent.
Look at boxing, those guys are always calling each other out looking for a payday.
Strikeforce does 8 cards a year on Showtime that pay. That’s 40 fights or 80 purses. How many slots on a card can they use up for the higher priced stars? Half. So 40 purses for a year. MW has Mayhem, Cung Le, Lawler, Lindland, Jacare, and Hendo are all fairly high priced. 2 fights a year from each of them and you have 12 purses out of 40 or 30%. and Strikeforce has 4 other divisions and women’s mma to promote as well. They’re always going to be short unless they do something to add mor cards or more bouts per card. And in the past year almost all of these guys have had a lengthy off period when they’d been asking to fight.
We also got to remember that while the UFC does a much better job guys are still sitting around waiting to fight they just don’t complain about. If they do they’re on the outside looking in. Look at Todd Duffee as an example of what happens to someone who isn’t a “team player”.
by John Nash on Oct 10, 2010 12:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Can't really use boxing as an analogy.
While I agree, it is basically the same tactic, boxers fight for many different promoters, belts and so on and boxing matches are very difficult to make compared to MMA. The SF guys are all under the same banner and it should be a fairly easy process.
Cung Le doesn’t fight much, Lindland isn’t a top performer anymore, etc. I’m talking the true top guys Fedor, Diaz, Ao and so on.
Todd Duffee isn’t really relevant in my mind. I would be talking more about guys like Couture, Lesnar and so on. They aren’t sitting around waiting at all, unless it is due to injury, etc.
I am referring to the guys that SF is depending on to be a success. This would be like the UFC placing Brock only once per year, when he is healthy and ready to go. This is borderline incompetence by SF and whether you use my reasoning or yours, it is a big red flag for a fighter to sign with them, when they have the option of a UFC.
I think we pretty much agree it is a problem, we just have different views of it.
I brought up Duffee as example of why fighters don’t speak bad about the UFC.
My point was Strikeforce is kind of screwed because they have slightly too many big dollar fighters and they are not running the extra ppv and CBS cards that they planned on that allow them to afford them and Dream’s troubles don’t give them an outlet for some of the stars. They’ve probably lost 5-10 paydays for their fighters because of Dream’s financial woes and dropped cards.
by John Nash on Oct 10, 2010 2:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I never did hear what was up with Duffee getting cut. I know Dana said he was hard to deal with or something. What was the deal?
The story is that he was heard by the wife of a Zuffa employee badmouthing the UFC about money. Mind you, these were private complaints, so I can’t imagine a fighter risking going public with any complaints.
by John Nash on Oct 10, 2010 6:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
miscommunications
That’s what I think. It could easily be that something like Ed Soares and all his fighters words are being put in their mouth and isn’t an exact translation, that or M-1 is screwing with him again as usual.
by Michael Murdaugh on Oct 10, 2010 11:49 AM EDT reply actions
What happened to earning a rematch???
AO was asking for a fight at the end of the year. If Fedor won he’d be the champ and Werdum would have to fight him.
Fedor, you are like everyone else now. You have to earn it
I love watching Fedor fight
Hell, he’s my favorite fighter when he’s in the cage, but this projecting bullshit about people avoiding him has to stop. I’m fucking tired of it. He doesn’t automatically own a rematch, he got subbed inside a minute in the first round. Hell, I think he ought to get Bigfoot Silva first so he can get back on track before we start talking about Werdum and Overeem.
This guy!
Damn they just need to put a vodka bottle in their mouths and shut the hell up.
Vadim needs to release a how to book called “How to F#ck up a Legacy”
Adam Lawman
MMAPrime.TV
I honestly think Fedor just listens to whatever Vadim tells him
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by KingAtRock on Oct 10, 2010 12:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Has anyone here actually watched the interview?
by John Nash on Oct 10, 2010 12:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
WOW WHATS WITH ALL THE FEDOR HATE????
FEDOR is still the best. nobody fights like him period. he is and always will be the best mmartist of all time. yes i hate m-1, but seriously??? all u keyboard warriors at home trying to take stabs at fedor lol its insane. who is overeem? ya he beat a defanged brett rogers. who did he fight before that? james thompson the king of cans and a retired fajita. brett outweighed fedor by 40 pounds. werdum is gonna get his ass kicked badly. that rematch is gonna be a ko or tko guaranteed. lesnar? the guys a running punching bag. the way he curled up and ran from shane was awesome. i hope fedor breaks away from his brain washing captors but u cannot deny his fighting ability
I don’t know if you’re aware of this or not, but you sound completely unbiased AND your argument is stellar. You have officially changed my opinion on the matter.
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by Kneeeeee on Oct 10, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
Another troll from team takeover
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by donkeypunch on Oct 10, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
who's your champion now?
who do you think is the best heavyweight fighter in the world now?
i’m sure everyone that has dissed me was a lesnar fan. so much for all of your verbal jabs and preconcieved notions. you guys flop more than a fish on shore.
this qualifies for
perhaps the biggest fail of all time,
I apologize
I will be getting rid of my internet connection later today, or when ever the office opens, and I’ll be smashing my computer with a hammer immediately after typing this ;)
He’s right about Overeem’s HW resume.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 10, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
You know...
in all the AO vs Fedor arguments, I have never seen a single person say that AO has a stellar record at HW MMA against top competitors.
As much as I hate some of the matches that both Fedor and AO have been involved in, I think we should just let this go and talk about what may actually happen if they met in the cage.
Or we can compare how each fared against Rogers, though that would be a short conversation, lol.
I think Overeem mauls Fedor if they ever fight, which leads me to believe they won’t.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 10, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
ha ha awesome.
I think that is the the fight I may want to see most of all at this time. As frustrating as Fedor has been and as much as I love AO, I would really have to think about whom i would pick here. Yes Fedor lost and looked a little foolish doing it, but I’m not ready to write him off yet. On the other hand AO is just a damn beast and I think people are forgetting he is a pretty good ground fighter as well as having K1 level striking (thanks Goldie!).
I would rather see this fight than Werdum vs either guy, any day of the week.
I tend to agree
Overeem takes Fedor should they ever meet.
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by The American Ronin on Oct 10, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
fedor weighs 230 pounds
comparing the fight between ao vs brett and fedor vs brett is apple and oranges
i like ao, dont get me wrong, but hes almost as overated as lesnar was
brett outweighed fedor by at least 40 pounds, obviously overeem who is closer to rogers size was able to rag doll him. imagine if fedor weighed 265, think about that.
as we seen with the lesnar vs cain fight, size doesnt always matter
Your a fail
how did it feel to have your champion crushed like a tiny bug with the inability to intelligently defend himself???? hahahaha yes i got the last laugh…………FAILURE
That is some great deduction man, now could you just send me the link where Fedor(not M-1, not Vadim, not anyone else) stated he was unbeatable? Fedor has always said he doesn’t care about his record, he doesnt care about winning, he doesnt care about who he fights…he wants to fight because he lives to and it is a way to support his family.
Just generalizing that line of excuse. It's like he wants to look humble, but at the same time he's acting like a total ass.
by ultima0chaotic on Oct 10, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
in before memitim responds to every single comment
"How do you shoot the devil in the back? What if you miss?"
Just one. Watch the video. He starts talking about Werdum but he clearly shifts and says he was prepared for whoever beat him to make him wait a long time for a rematch. It was a general comment not just focused on Werdum. I’ll go back to what I was doing and let the blind hate Fedor bashing continue. Enjoy.
by memitim on Oct 10, 2010 2:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Says the man
With the blind love for fedor.
You bring nothing to the argument everytime you mention fedor just rehash the same things multiple times.
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by We All Hate Caleb on Oct 10, 2010 4:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Tell me, what in my post did I rehash? I pointed out that Fedor was saying he was
prepared for whoever beat him to make him wait for a rematch. And let’s not forget Werdum’s manager stating there is no reason for Werdum to fight Fedor unless M-1 brings a ton of money to the table. Oh yeah, that’s right, we don’t deal in facts. Sorry, I forgot.
by memitim on Oct 10, 2010 5:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm not trying to continue our little scuffle from yesterday, but...
two thoughts come to mind.
First, Fedor, of all fighters, should understand and be respectful of injuries based on his long history of hand related injuries. Shit happens, as he should well know.
Second, while Werdum offered up the rematch of his own free will, there was nothing in that fight that implied that Fedor deserved some sort of instant rematch. He was submitted in quick order and nothing in the way it played out implied that it was a fluke, other than the Fedor mystique.
I like Fedor, it’s just his fans that are intolerable...and his management.
To your first point, I think Fedor was talking about more than the injury. Here is what Werdum’s manager had to say a few weeks after the fight:
Wilner also told MMAFighting that Werdum’s call for an immediate rematch with Emelianenko was likely a call made with judgement clouded by the excitement of such a big win and may not be what the Brazilian submission specialist wants after all.
“That was with the emotions of the fight running high,” Wilner said. “Once emotions subside and rationale thought prevails, Fabricio understands there’s no upside to a rematch with Fedor unless M-1 puts a significant amount of money on the table. We have no rematch clause in our contract with Strikeforce.”
My points above detail what Fedor thought the person who beat him would do.
To your second point I have two things to say. First, I think the #1 HW in the world who basically went undefeated for a decade deserves a rematch aftter his first loss. Second, I and man others saw that fight and simply believe he made a mistake against Werdum. It happens to the best. GSP, Anderson, all the wy back to Gracie. It’s not like he got destroyed like Griffin against Anderson.
Fedor made a mistake, sure...
but no more a mistake than countless other people who get submitted in MMA fights. Immediate rematches are usually given when the fight was virtually too close to call (not applicable in this case) or some strange occurrence causes the outcome to be questionable like an obvious injury or extremely bad decision by the referee. Neither of which happened in this fight. Fedor was flat out beaten by Werdum.
I agree that Fedor, for a certain period, was the best HW in the world and best P4P fighter too, however those are both nearly impossible positions to defend for the current state of MMA both because of emerging greats and Fedor’s own record of competition.
Does Fedor DESERVE a rematch, in no way. Should he get one, not immediately. Werdum should be getting a title shot and Fedor should be getting a rebound fight, which if he wins spectacularly should earn him the next title shot…which could also be a rematch.
I like Fedor, it’s just his fans that are intolerable...and his management.
Does Fedor DESERVE a rematch, in no way. Should he get one, not immediately. Werdum should be getting a title shot and Fedor should be getting a rebound fight, which if he wins spectacularly should earn him the next title shot…which could also be a rematch.
Totally agree. Give Werdum his promised title shot as a result of winning the #1 contender fight against Fedor. Give Fedor Barnett as another #1 contender fight.
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by The American Ronin on Oct 10, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree that Fedor, for a certain period, was the best HW in the world and best P4P fighter too, however those are both nearly impossible positions to defend for the current state of MMA both because of emerging greats and Fedor’s own record of competition.
That’s not the argument I was making. My point was (dare I rehash, Caleb might be offended) not only was he the #1 HW but he also went his whole career, over a decade, without a loss. I think there is a case to be made for him deserving a rematch. Even Werdum said as much. Does it have to be before Werdum fights Reem? No, but once again we are back to Fedor’s contract issue with this being the last fight on the contract. So, unless Fedor fights Reem in January we are looking at an even longer time before Fedor is in the cage and I don’t think Strikeforce can afford that. It’s all going to play out in the next couple of months but I don’t think is unreasonable give the feat Fedor accomplished that he deserves a rematch.
Fedor will kill Werdum if they fight again. All of you guys out there with your theory on the subject matter probably don’t even fight, therefore don’t even know what your looking at! Its pretty “convenient” that Werdum “needed surgery” on his arm right after the fight. I find it amusing because he didn’t get any injuries during the fight, so where did it come from? Sounds like an excuse to me. Werdum couldn’t even beat Arvloski, he’s a joke and if he ever mans up enough for the rematch you will all see exactly what I mean. He trains with Rafael Cordero, I mean really the man IS A JOKE, Rafael is a phony who used his friends coat tails to make a name. Lets count the days and excuses Werdum makes, his 15 mins will be up as soon as he grows a pair.
Did you miss the fight where Werdum beat Fedor in like 2 minutes?
If Werdum is a bum for losing to Arlovsky, what does that make Fedor?
MMAth
lol
Seriously, the discussion around SF’s HWs is ridiculous because nobody is fighting. We’re left to do ridiculous things like compare Overeem and Fedor’s fights with Rogers. MMA is about matchups, and of course a massive Overeem is going to be able to toss Rogers onto his back and beat the snot out of him because Rogers has terrible movement/balance. Fedor is smaller and can’t get that kind of win, but in some ways, what Fedor did was more impressive.
But none of this has any bearing on Fedor vs. Overeem. It’s a damn shame. I wish Fedor would stop ****ing around with M-1, Overeem would hurry and win his K-1 tournament, and Werdum would hurry and heal so we can settle this nonsense in the cage. Strikeforce has a great HW division, but it looks like a joke of a circus because nobody is fighting and they can’t seem to get anything done.
stfu fedor
maybe he doesnt want to fight you becasue you fought each other in a number1 contenders match and usualy the winner get a title shot. your the king of not wanting to fight people so you should know better
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