2009 Bloody Elbow Reader Awards: Camp of the Year
by Mike Fagan on Jan 9, 2010 9:12 PM EST
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Some might complain that Team Black House is not so much a camp as much as it is a Ed Soares's ridiculous collection of talent. Whatever the case, it's hard to argue with their success in 2009.
Junior dos Santos built on his 2008 upset of Fabricio Werdum, pounding on Stefan Struve and PRIDE legend Mirko Cro Cop. After beginning the year with a KO of the durable Vladimir Matyushenko in Affliction, "Minotoro" Nogueira blasted the up-and-coming Luis Cane in his UFC debut. His twin brother, Minotauro, bounced back from an injury-riddled loss to Frank Mir at the end of 2008 to dominate Randy Couture for fifteen minutes at UFC 102.
And that's not mentioning the two straps of gold around the waists of Anderson Silva and Lyoto Machida. Both champions dealt with his share of controversy - Machida eeked out a razor-thin decision over "Shogun" Rua, while Silva slept walk through five arounds against Thales Leites, but it's their dominating victories over Thiago Silva, Rashad Evans, and Forrest Griffin that define their 2009.
Full results after the jump.
| 1st | 2nd | 3rd | Total | |
| Black House | 35 | 6 | 1 | 194 |
| Jackson's | 11 | 23 | 4 | 128 |
| ATT | 2 | 4 | 12 | 34 |
| AKA | 3 | 1 | 11 | 29 |
| Xtreme Couture | 2 | 6 | 12 | |
| Nova Uniao | 2 | 6 | ||
| Rough House | 1 | 1 | 4 | |
| HIT Squad | 1 | 3 | ||
| Grabaka Hitmen | 1 | 1 | ||
| Team Cloud | 1 | 1 |
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rulesss!! it’s like the deadliest collection men ever
by cagefightonacid on Jan 9, 2010 7:32 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Daaaaamn
Black House ran away with it (smoogy is gonna be pissed!). Nova Uniao had a sad number, but I’m sure this coming year is going to be huge for them and they’ll make the ballot.
Fagan— have you thought of potentially organizing next year’s voting as a web poll? It would make it more welcoming for readers to vote and easier on you (since it would be automatically compiled). Just an idea.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
Yeah, I’ll probably look into it. Is there webapps that allow tiered voting/scoring?
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I normally program that manner of web information-response myself, but I’m certain there is. There’s a high level of customization with web-apps these days. If you want me to help you look up some stuff, feel free to email me.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
Now somebody explain this one to me
I though Josh Thomson, Cung Le, and Anthony Johnson all trained together with a few others but then you look it up and it has them training at AKA where Fitch, Swick, and Koscheck all train and Johnson and Koscheck just fought so did Johnson get kicked out or am I missing a part of the story or what?
Plus I’m still confused on what constitutes actually being with that gym being doesnt Machida do a lot of training with his dad and brother and others along with a little training at Black House so does that make him a full fledged team member or same with Jacare I heard he just helped Anderson out before the Leites fight with BJJ but some places list him as a member of Black House.
I love your reply on so many levels.
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by misterjonez on Jan 9, 2010 8:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I know right… he completely ignores an honest question that brings up a valid point, instead choosing to highlight a few comma splices and run on sentences in an otherwise fine post. Bravo!
Go back to Sherdog.
by Excelsior! on Jan 9, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I know right… he completely ignores an honest question that brings up a valid point, instead choosing to highlight a few comma splices and run on sentences in an otherwise fine post. Bravo!
Go back to Sherdog.
1) I love how “Go back to Sherdog” is a go-to insult in there parts.
2) Mr. Jonez is a respectable member of the community, surely no low-life sherdogger.
3) Without grammar, how are we supposed to construct linguistic meaning?
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Jan 9, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Are you capable of deducing his meaning? If yes then answer the question. Don’t just sit on your high horse and criticize the philistines grammar.
I understood his meaning well enough.
And I like the view from my high horse, correcting the Philistines’ grammar. Grammar is half of meaning. Clarity of grammar is clarity of meaning. When bigd treats grammar like an unwanted stepchild, what’s left of my soul whimpers.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Jan 9, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
As long as you’re happy up there. I understand the purpose of grammar, I was just curious as to whether or not you understood the purpose of being personable.
I get being personable, totally. I also understand passive-aggression, so I suspect you’re trying to call me a jackass. Considering I was responding to Excelsior!, I also responded in kind to his comment.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Jan 9, 2010 11:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sheesh everybody
Chill out, it was funny!
It’s not like he was insulting his grammar in order to avoid responding to some high level rebuttal. TLow just said what everybody was thinking when they read a fairly benign comment that also happened to be a humorously long run-on sentence.
"I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by in the fight, what you saw, in the ring." - Tito Ortiz
by CasualMMAFan on Jan 10, 2010 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
Let me try a better answer: My understanding is that they’re all friends and managed by Ed Soares (and Jorge “Joinha” Guimaraes), but as a camp it’s somewhat flexible. Apparently Lyoto Machida mainly trains with his father, his brothers/cornermen Shinzo and Take, his S&C coach, and a collection of local fighters/trainers.
The reason Thiago Silva was so affected by the UFC 94 loss was because camp versus camp, American Top Team got owned by a mom-n-pop-fight-shop.
That's what smoogy was saying
But I brought up that Blackhouse fighters seem to all train together. Now, if Stary Oskol starts to house all of the bad asses of M-1 (Fedro, Gegard, Karl), at least for some period of training time in 2010, I say include them.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
SHIT YEAH
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
You’re right. I’ll get the hang of it..
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
by Blackout612 on Jan 10, 2010 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
From the outside, Fedor's gym looks like a casino.
by snakecharmer1340 on Jan 9, 2010 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
They are making a lot of money off of the people inside.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
well done
"Talk all the shit you want now!
by Earl Montclair on Jan 9, 2010 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
Its got a taj mahal kind of feel to it
Granted its more of a hepatitis petri dish, can crushing palace on the inside.
"Talk all the shit you want now!
by Earl Montclair on Jan 9, 2010 8:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
For the win
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
All the Cesar Gracie fighters were going to vote for their school, but for some reason forgot and instead ate 50 pizza rolls.
BOOSH
by Farthammer on Jan 9, 2010 9:04 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
That was an exceptional piece of commentary Mr. Hammer.
by casey manrique on Jan 9, 2010 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
Whoever put Rough House as the #2 camp in all of MMA should be banned.
Permanently. Number 3 not much better, but pales in comparison.
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by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 9, 2010 9:10 PM EST reply actions
The fact that Team Cloud got a vote made me chuckle.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jan 10, 2010 1:41 AM EST up reply actions
Whaaaaaa?!?!?!?!?!
I assume you were never a kid in the late 80s/early 90s, or a habitual stoner.
BOOSH
Probably doesnt know about funyuns either
"Talk all the shit you want now!
by Earl Montclair on Jan 9, 2010 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
Or an American?
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
Pizza rolls were damn close to making the hot pocket before hot pockets showed up.
"Talk all the shit you want now!
They’re like tiny hot pockets.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
This is very true
If you can have a whole meal in one bite, it’s teh best.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
There’s a tiny-penis joke buried in there somewhere…
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Jan 9, 2010 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
Typo
You Wrote:
“Minotoro” Nogueira blasted the up-and-coming Luis Cane in his UFC debut
Not so…and also i think its Luiz..
Not so as in..
“Minotauro” didn’t knock out Cane.
Thanks for the clarification..
My Portuguese is terrible.
does anyone know why big nog and little nog have nearly identical names and nicknames
i mean cmon i know they’re almost identical twins minus big nogs hole in his back and whos bright idea was it to give them nearly identical nicknames they actually have the same first name at least give each a distinguishable nickname
To a non-native English speaker, money and Monday may sound alike, but I’m sure to you it sounds nothing alike. The same is true to their nicknames, Minotauro and Minotouro is very distinguishable to someone who speaks Portuguese (also, I don’t know why a lot of sites has it as minotoro and not minotouro, but the correct one is the latter).
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Interesting picks for the two Japanese teams on the list.
AFAIK, Akiyama’s Cloud Dojo is more like the early days of Xtreme Couture where marquee fighters would show up and train for a while. I don’t know that they’ve really established themselves as a “team” so far. Even so, the guys who had big training camps there, like Uno and Okami, didn’t exactly have great years. Edging out Alan Belcher isn’t some great achievement either.
Grabaka is a better pick, but even they’ve had huge problems this year. Misaki left, Gono gets dropped from the UFC and then spectacularly KO’ed in Japan, Yokota climbs the ladder only to get humiliated and nearly crippled by Kawajiri, Sasaki just lost to Sean freakin’ Salmon and so on.
It would hard for me to pick any Japanese (or Korean) team to be in the top 5 for 2009, much less the top 3. If I had to pick one, it would probably be the Abe Ani Combat Club. They may not be making any waves at Sengoku or DREAM, but this year they picked up the DEEP FW belt, Megumi Fujii racked up another 3 submissions on her undefeated record, and Hitomi Akano lasted longer against Cyborg than Gina Carano, despite being hugely outsized.
But seriously none of them compare to the achievements of most of the American and Brazilian teams on that list.
Team Legion of Russia should probably be on there. They absolutely mopped the floor with most of the competition in M-1. I know, it’s M-1, but their record for 2009 was almost gaudy. Fight Finder says their 17 fighters went 42-12-1 this year, with 9 undefeated.
by George Lucas on Jan 10, 2010 4:11 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Nova Uniao got straight dissed in this poll
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by greco-roman airlines on Jan 10, 2010 9:22 AM EST reply actions
It's okay
They had a cracked skull.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
Miletich Camp
Its amazing how Pat Miletich’s camp in Iowa is hardly having any impact on mma nowadays. In 2005 if someone told me that by 2009 his camp would be largely irrelevant by 2009 I would have never believed them.
It’s no surprise the Miletich camp isn’t in the top ten for best camps in 2009. With all the quality mma gyms popping up all over in every State and many cities throughout the U.S. I would actually be surprised if Pat Miletich’s camp even cracks the top 30 gyms.
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