Manny can't take a real drug test: because he is afraid of needles!
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Jonathan Snowden
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you do know taking blood and getting a tattoo feels completely different right?
and I doubt he got a tattoo days before a fight..
by Anton Tabuena on Jan 7, 2010 11:37 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Exactly!
I never give blood during training or near any sort of competition. It takes me a couple of weeks to feel 100% again afterward…
If i were a pro fighter it would certainly fk up my prep mentally.
'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko
by Well Read Idiot on Jan 7, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
Giving blood requires usually a pint of blood, which has a large effect on the body, a blood test is much less blood than that.
If cyclists can give blood in the middle of the tour de france, boxers should be able to give blood the day before a fight.
yes, if the commission requires it.
but what’s the difference if it’s right after the fight? Especially since it isn’t something the commission wants/requires, I don’t see why they wouldn’t agree to having it right after the fight. the results will still be the same..
PS
if the fight doesn’t push through, (like it seems it won’t)… it just shows yet again that Mayweather wants to find another reason to duck a dangerous opponent.
by Anton Tabuena on Jan 7, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
The testing needs to be regular and rigorous. The reasons Manny doesn’t want it are fairly clear at this point-and don’t have anything to do with “fear of needles.”
by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 7, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
…speaking from my own personal experience, I have several large and small tattoos in the normally painful places (under arms, around elbows, chest) but am absolutley terrified of “Doctor’s Needles”…that being said, I will not give blood unless absolutely 100% needed. So I guess if Pac-Man is a total weirdo like myself..I can see where he is coming from.
"Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy motherf**ker" - Jules Winnfield
How is that related to a fear of needles?
by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 7, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Is this the quality of stuff posted over at Heavy, or just a taste?
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
This is a fanshot on Bloody Elbow from a fan and not related to any other site, endorsed by any site, and does not mention any site….I guess you would prefer an uncritical acceptance of the “afraid of needles” meme?
by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 7, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Damn u Jonathan!
On more unrelated notes when’s your next book coming out?
by ufc4 on Jan 7, 2010 12:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Just found out today: October 2010! Very excited….
by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 7, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
Right on, congrats. What’s the subject matter?I know you were working on a couple different projects.
by ufc4 on Jan 7, 2010 2:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The book
The new one is an MMA Encyclopedia. It is going to be super comprehensive with honest looks at fighters and promotions from 1993-to the present. We have interviewed almost everyone in it, so it was a painstaking project. The end will have fun stats and stories about every UFC and PRIDE event and cool stuff like linear title histories.
I say all this before the edit, so it might end up being a pamphlet instead…this is what it is now before anyone has had hands on.
by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 7, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
I can see both sides of the debate and at this point I think they’re both being kinda dumb. The fear of needles thing I don’t buy, giving blood for a blood test isn’t that big of a deal, I think they should have the last test one week before the fight and then one right after the fight, if that’s not good enough for both sides then they don’t deserve the big payday that this fight will bring. And how funny would it be if Mayweather tested positive? I’d laugh my ass off.
by ufc4 on Jan 7, 2010 12:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions
It’s funny, because my wife is the same way; terrified of needles and shots (can’t even watch them on TV, but she has several tattoos and piercings. I don’t think it is as unlikely as Jonathan is suggesting that Manny feels the same way.
And again, to the casual fan, it gives the appearance that Floyd wants to throw up one roadblock after another to protect his record.
You think?
Maybe so. But any fans not already anti-Mayweather can likely smell BS when they hear it. The fact is, Manny’s rationale for not making himself accountable has shifted several times. Why? He doesn’t want the scrutiny, obviously.
I actually don’t have a problem with people saying they don’t care if there is drug testing at all. But if you are going to do it, at least let’s be intellectually honest enough to do it in a way that matters. What Nevada and other states do right now is comical. They are in place to catch people who cannot afford good drugs, while letting others buy their way to better performances. It is not sporting….
by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 7, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
I do ...
I’m not much of a boxing fan; I like it just fine, but I don’t follow it, and I truly don’t have an opinion on Mayweather one way or the other. But when I read about his conditions for blood testing, my initial impression was that he was ducking Pacquiao.
I am unaware with Manny’s rationale-shifting, so perhaps that would affect my perception, but again, my first thought was,“Who is this guy to dictate how the commission tests fighters?”
Not much of a boxing fan either...
Like Rlaub44, I enjoy a match every once and while, but I don’t really follow it. Unlike Rlaub44, however, my initial impression was that Pacquiao is trying to avoid too thorough of a test. I can definitely see both sides of this though. This article on ESPN shows some of Pacquiao’s rationale-shifting: http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4768830
baseless
i hate getting a needle jabbed in my arm and have my blood sucked out….. and i love my tattoos; getting them doesn’t bother me
yep. this is just absurd.
if you take “fear of needles” so literally then sure… but the two things are completely different..
it’s perfectly normal if a person wouldn’t like blood being sucked out by medical needles days before a fight, while being okay with getting small tattoos on their vacation.
I mean seriously… does that look the same to anyone? And do they even know that a good tattoo artist shouldn’t make you bleed much,(or at all even.)
by Anton Tabuena on Jan 7, 2010 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
I guess Manny is somehow different than thousands of other athletes who have submitted to similar testing. His physiology is so different that he can’t give a small sample of blood.
Can you even imagine the outcry if Manny were demanding real drug testing and Floyd refused? How someone could wear a black hat for attempting to make sure a contest (one in which they are being asked to allow another man to swing for their head) is contested fairly is beyond logic.
by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 7, 2010 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
if manny starts demanding absurd things for a fight,
lets talk about it…
but I guess the public would also get split in two, half of them would side with Floyd because of the absurd demands (which also includes not wanting for it to be on the same day), and the other half would side with Manny cause they’ll accuse Floyd of being a steroid user for not wanting to comply with Manny suddenly having these demands…
But it’s useless to debate those ‘what ifs’ since it has only been Floyd who had been weird enough to accuse Manny of roids and to demand blood tests a few days before the fight…
And when Floyd said that he prefers it 2 days before the fight because it’s closer and “compromises” to make it 14 days before, why doesn’t he just have it on the day itself.
You even went out of topic and said
I guess Manny is somehow different than thousands of other athletes who have submitted to similar testing. His physiology is so different that he can’t give a small sample of blood.
but it’s floyd who’s trying to be different from the thousands of other BOXERS, by starting to demand something that was never done by any other guy. And by refusing to have it on the day itself, which would have been the same results, he’s just proving that he wants to play mind games or to find a reason to duck yet another dangerous opponent, instead of genuinely wanting to “clean up” boxing by having drug tests.
ANYWAY, those pointless debates and blame games could go on forever. People could state their valid cases on either side and it could never end… BUT the one thing we can get here is, your whole point of “Tattoo vs Bloodtest” is absurd, and two completely different things. Okay? thanks, bye.
by Anton Tabuena on Jan 7, 2010 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
Manny has taken bloodtests before right? So why can’t he now? Before he didn’t want to do it the day before the fight, now Mayweather has proposed a 14-day, no blood testing window leading up to the fight and that’s still not good enough. What gives?
as I said, we can both have valid points to debate both sides of the coin...
but what i was truly saying was that Snowden brining up the Tattoo,Bloodtest,Needles issue is not one of those valid points…
as for why Manny is refusing, like what SC/Brent said:
It’s like if the cops came to your house with no probable cause and demanded to search your home. Would you let them? Even if you had nothing to hide?And even then, Manny is willing to have it done after the fight, but Mayweather isn’t..That’s where you ask “What gives”? Cause that’s where he shows he really isn’t about “cleaning the sport” and more about playing mind games.
But again, we can play the blame game from now till forever, but I doubt we’d get anywhere… can’t we just agree on how wrong the Tattoo vs bloodtest is? haha :P
by Anton Tabuena on Jan 7, 2010 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
I admit that tattoos and bloodtests are different but that doesn’t mean I buy the “afraid of needles” excuse.
cause you guys are taking it too literally..
he said the last time he got blood taken from him close to the fight, it had affected him physically (probably mentally) and wasn’t able to perform to the best of his abilities… that’s where the “fear of needles” line started…
He feels ‘weaker’ when blood gets taken from him, and it might be lame, sure, but having those issues have nothing to do with getting tattoos on his vacation..
by Anton Tabuena on Jan 8, 2010 7:06 AM EST up reply actions
I get the not wanting it done the day before the fight part but PBF backed off that stance.
by ufc4 on Jan 8, 2010 9:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
No probable cause?
You understand that Manny is walking around with 50 pounds of additional muscle mass right? I think somewhere in this the idea that Floyd’s concerns are unwarranted snuck into the conversation. His concerns are legitimate.
Anyway, I think getting blood drawn sucks. But not so much that I would turn down tens of millions. Anyone who thinks about this logically understands what is going on with Manny.
Blood tests and tattoos are different. But they both involve needles penetrating your skin. Just pointing out that someone with a real fear of needles wouldn’t have a ton of tattoos. There are other reasons he might not want blood drawn. That isn’t one of them. That is all.
by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 8, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
cause again it wasn't a "fear of needles" literally
his whole superstition schtick is from him feeling that taking blood weakens him… why is that so hard to differentiate from getting a tattoo? Did you read the other comments here? it’s normal for some tattooed guys/gals to not like getting blood taken.
do you have a tattoo?
50 lbs of muscle? ha! You’re funny.
by Anton Tabuena on Jan 8, 2010 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
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